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completely sobered up after come up sickness - very unusual experience

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had an unusual experience last night and wanted some theories as to wtf happened;

took half a pill with a friend, we start to feel that lovely mdma feeling, but not enough of it, so we take another. now its all a little blurred but I think this one started to kick in nicely but for some reason we take another, 20 or so mins later were both coming up nicely. were both then sick (pretty normal for us on the comeup) but this completely sobers us up. we end up taking 6 between us to zero effect after.

other friends reported the pills to be nice, (their snowballs) and what we did feel AFAIK couldn't really have been any other chemical.

my theories;

bad pill binder? the first lot were crunched but not the later lot.

stress reaction to being sick?

any ideas appreciated :)
 
Are you or your friend on any medication that could hinder the effects of MDMA?

Are you spacing your MDMA uses properly?

If those aren't a factor, you can likely blame the contents of your pills.

Pill binders will not affect how a proper dose of MDMA should hit you- if you are finding that you took 6 pills total and nothing happened after the first wave of euphoria, you may have got very low dose pill (usually made to fool a reagent) that had another chemical in it like DXM that caused you to feel sick. Either your friends who reported they were nice pills were dishonest with you, or they don't know what MDMA feels like.

It's impossible to know without a reagent test kit (www.dancesafe.org), you should also check out pillreports.com and see if there are reports on what you took.
 
Are you or your friend on any medication that could hinder the effects of MDMA?
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no, no medication.

Are you spacing your MDMA uses properly?
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yup- most definitely not been fucked in 6ish months

Either your friends who reported they were nice pills were dishonest with you, or they don't know what MDMA feels like.
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thats the strange thing, the friends reports are all friends not dealers who know what md feels like.

I don't have a test kit and there was no report on pill reports but ive taken enough md before to know what to expect, theres really no mistaking the md come up which is why I think we took so many after being sick in a desperate attempt to get back to that space
 
It's odd for both you and your friend to have the same lackluster experience- if it was just you, it would be clear that the variable was something personally going on with you.

6 months is more than enough time. If it was a moderate dose, your tolerance should be back down as far as it's going to go.



I think you'll get better feedback with this staying it's own thread, so I won't merge it- but this is a good mega thread to read through to get some ideas: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/503645-Mega-The-quot-Why-won-t-MDMA-work-for-me-quot-thread

If your friends all have no reason to mislead you about a pill, and are fairly experienced it's odd to get a different response. Were they enthusiastic about the experience? Keep in mind even experienced users can mistake RC's like bk-MDMA for MDMA, whereas some other people get a very negligible high from compounds like this.

Do you still have any of the pills? I'd be very curious to see what Ecstasydata.org finds if you sent them in for a real lab test.
 
thanks for the link- ill have a look. however, i really dont think its us. whilst weve not exactly been gentle with it in the past our use was no where near enough to really even start developing a tolerance.

ive had methylone before and remember it as being a pleasant experience - just not as powerful. the come up from these felt spot on, I dont remember feeling such a come up with methylone.

one thing that might be worth mentioning a few people are feeling rougher than they do from other sources the next day, but that could just be impurities or simply a coincidence as they only took them the once

ill have a look at Ecstasydata.org

thanks
 
Last time I rolled without eating sufficient carbohydrates in my diet, my roll was very weak. I thought the pills were just weak, but I upped my carb intake and tried again only 6 days later (I had previously taken a 6 month break and was disappointed), I rolled harder with less pills (same batch). The only notable difference was that I snacked on throughout the day (and finished) a big bag of potato chips that day instead of fish/eggs/steak etc.

Not sure about how your diet is, but I am 100% certain low-carb diets are not good for rolling.
 
both had a small snack an hour before, bagels :)

im pretty sure when we were sick we lost at least one pill, but why it sobered us up is a puzzle. if it makes any difference the second pill we disolved under our tounges then approx an hour later crunched one but swallowed it, then 20 mins (ish) later we were sick

i checked Ecstasydata.org and didnt see these pills.
 
90% sure these would test positive-can you name me one chemical that can accurately mimic the effect of an mdma come up?

checked out that thread Bsiren but nothing useful really, thanks tho.
 
thought_ said:
90% sure these would test positive-can you name me one chemical that can accurately mimic the effect of an mdma come up?

checked out that thread Bsiren but nothing useful really, thanks tho.
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Tons of chemicals have rushy feelings. bk-MDMA is one everyone describes (never personally tried it but I've read enough experiences on it) to feel like an MDMA comeup. I'm sure there are tons more though. There are so many "designer drugs" out there, some are even relatively new and don't even have records of how they test with GC/MS.
 
none of them have reports of any of the 'magic' its a pretty unique feeling. this also doesn't explain why it stopped working either, just moves the question if you get me. how, after getting such a response from 5 between us could 6 leave us feeling next to nothing, just a come down headache (could also have been from all the smoking, not so used to that anymore) and a little restless?

ive had bk-mdma (methylone) before.
 
thats my theory but it only explains the sobering up part not why the other 6 had no effect
 
Bsiren said:
Do you still have any of the pills? I'd be very curious to see what Ecstasydata.org finds if you sent them in for a real lab test.
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I'm honestly at a bit of a loss here. I'm by no means a chemist or doctor but I've certainly been around the block more than a few times and the things I would normally suggest seem not to apply to you all. The fact that your experience was mimicked by your friend is more confusing.

I'm with Bsiren. . . do you have any left? Does anyone you know? (from the same batch) Seriously consider sending to ezstasydata I'm real curious what the results would be.
 
unfortunately I dont have the cash to send it off for testing, I can however order a marquis which I don't think will reveal much but its still the best I can do right now
 
It sounds to me like you may have gotten piperzines. The very same thing happened to me last new years eve.

Me and a group of friends (who had all taken e/molly before, but not for about 6 months +) took two pills each (no, I didn't test the pills, but I have gotten a kit since and have used it every time). We all felt like we were coming up for a really long time. I was incredibly nauseous and ended up throwing the pill up (empty stomach). Then we all started sobering up. It was the biggest letdown ever. I was so dumbfounded, but after a lot of research, I am pretty sure they were pipes--which made sense, considering our sketchy-ass source.

Lesson learned.
 
me and my friend took some pills at a festival and they kicked in within 20 mins.

These were massive pills with extremely pure mdma in them. (they were tested, although I don't really hold testing to much value I guess it helps ease some pre drop anxiety) I was rolling my face off within half an hour and my friend had thrown up from the pill, in general she always throws up on the come up but stays high. She got completely sobered up while I was munted and could barely walk. (could have been due to the ridiculous amount of acid i had taken earlier that night as welll)

I think the only possibility is that the mdma didnt have time to dissolve in your stomach or your mdma was indeed not mdma. I guess its really hard to tell, there are so many variables when it comes to rolling, you can have the same batch of pills on two seperate occasions and one roll could be exponentially stronger than the other.
 
tested straight to black on marquis.

both of us been ill with flu since so my best guess is that we were just not healthy enough to be getting fucked ...will re-consume (with caution) and report back
 
Since they tested good...

Former MDMA users have been shown to experience lowered prolactin response to MDMA.
This is linked to 'loss of magic'.
But there is still a cortisol response and usually 'motor' response, meaning you should have felt wired or stimulated in some way.
Even in the absence of euphoria.

Six months is a good break, but not all MDMA users can reach the hundreds of pills that dick-sizing BL members (or friends) brag about.
And methylone use only increases the chances of tolerance issues.
Endocrine response to MDMA is still lower at 2.5 years abstinence in some MDMA users!
And anecdotes on BL exist that claim 3-4 years is not enough!!

So I strongly suggest a very long break.
If you pills tested strong for MDMA and you took SIX of them without positive effects, then you have rewired a substantial amount of your serotonin network in the last six months.
It is during abstinence that most changes occur, and many heavier users do not experience negative cognitive decline for up to a year.
If you are a regular cannabis user, that has its own risks and endocrine effects.

I strongly suggest you wait at least 3 months before trying to roll again.
This is the recommended waiting time for ALL users, with one month being the MINIMUM even among the heavier MDMA users on BL.
Since you are having tolerance issues like crazy, six months to a YEAR is recommended.
But it doesn't sound like you want to wait that long.

At least give it two months and throw some exercise in there.
Eat a healthy diet for the days leading up to the roll and eat good quality carbs the day of the roll.
If that doesn't make you roll, your only options are Piracetam or long-term abstinence.
Very long-term.
 
update- consumed again 3 weeks later, took 4 each were both feeling nice for the first 3 (took one then halfs), didn't really feel much for the last two halfs. completely missing the magic all together.

thanks for the replies, it seems its anyone's guess whats going on but I think its just poorly synthed mdma, but who knows.
 
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