Complete and total shift of effects

[doxzer]

Hey guys I'm new to the community and just trying to understand what's been going on with my trips.
I started doing acid about 3 years ago and for about a 4 month period, I dropped 1-2 tabs every Thursday. Then my connections went dry for about 18 months. Before I finally acquired more LSD I decided to try shrooms. I blended half an 1/8 in oj and had a world shattering trip, like nothing I've even imagined before, a true psychadelic experience. Since the shroom trip, my recent acid trips have been massively overwhelming and mind bending. I used to do acid and be able to go around town (on foot or bus of course), I had visuals but they weren't so abrasive and I never ever lost my mind the way I do now. Now I just spend about 8 hours pacing through my house, not sure what I'm actually doing and what I'm lucid dreaming. I just want to understand why it affects me this way now and never has before.

And does anyone know a good way of dealing with the fear of an infinite trip while tripping?


In short, I used to trip recreationally, and now every trip is a profound spiritual experience. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but it is something that's happening to me and I don't understand it.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

I wish I could explain why a single mushroom experience could catapult you to a consistently higher plane of thinking, feeling, being while on LSD ... but I can't. What I can say is that psychedelics have changed in their effects on me over a much longer period of time than a few years. Twenty years ago, they were similar to how you describe your initial LSD experiences. Namely, fun and interesting ... maybe even somewhat educational. I was active -- out in nature, with friends, at social gatherings or maybe a show. In a word -- your word -- it was "recreational" use. Today, I wouldn't even dream of treating psychedelics so casually. Set and setting have to be scrupulous and perfect and reliably controlled. I have to be all alone, laid out on a comfortable couch, under mounds of blankets, with no movement, and with distractions to an absolute minimum. Sensory deprivation would be right up my alley. (I know ... not exactly the life of the party!) Point being, now I have experiences like the current experiences you describe. I've chalked this up to age, insight, understanding, a product of all of the reading and learning I've done over the years (decades, I guess) -- but, who knows? Maybe I'm just old and feeble!

I can't help you too much with the "fear" of an infinite trip. TBH, it's my secret hope. "Please, don't make me go back there!" LOL! So, that doesn't scare me while "there." (The flip side of this is that, back "here," it does bother me that I seem to want to check out so badly -- to cling to the psychedelic state. I won't say anything more about that, though, since it seems the opposite of your issue.) Do you lose all sense of being under the influence? (Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.)

P.S. I'm way too new here to say "welcome" with any authority, but I enjoyed reading your very interesting post.

 

[hypnagogic]

Your expectations can come into play during psychedelic experiences, whether they're conscious or subconscious. Having experienced what you did during the shroom trip your mind is likely to make connections upon entering the psychedelic state again, especially if your trip was profound. There was a time where I couldn't really trip recreationally after some intense experiences. Taking a break of several months before starting out again at low doses helped me overcome this.

There's also the possibility that there's something your mind needs to deal with that you're overlooking causing these overwhelming trips. There may be other factors too considering how unpredictable psychedelics can be, but these are just two things that come to mind from my experience.

As for getting over the fear of an infinite trip, just try to remind yourself that you've never gotten "stuck" before. Out of the number of times you've tripped not once has there been a time where you didn't come down after so many hours, regardless of how warped your mind may have been. I find that telling myself simple things like "everything's alright" repeatedly help calm me down when I start getting anxious from tripping thoughts.

 

[Wandering Girl]

Trips can build up on you.... When I first started tripping I was euphoric from start to finish every time. But I had a lot of issues that I wasn't dealing with at the time, and the more I tripped the more it began to bring those things out of me. It got to the point where I would be in a constant bad trip whenever I dosed, and even sometimes when I didn't. It took a lot of work to start fixing those issues but eventually I started making some real progress... and getting where those trips were pushing me. That's why people put such an important emphasis on integrating, and it really is important after an intense experience. Did you properly integrate your mushroom trip?

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

Integration is key^
It's something you don't pick up on when you begin tripping, but as you start working through your experiences it begins to make perfect sense

 

[ANewKindOfArmy]

Hello, First for welcome to bluelight. Great place right? Harm reduction, people always seem to have answers you cannot. Now to what i was thinking if you dont mind me asking have you been on any medications? or Natural ones you didn't realise would effect such things? or have any kind of mental disorders? I like you went through something similar, at first i'd get the mushroom lsd giggles at weird things when i'd get a wiggly visual or all out crazy breathing walls all depending on what substance and what amount, i went on a huge and long trip parade i ABUSED psychedelics stupidly. I swore they were helping my mental disorders when they did at times, over time actually made them worse from BAD BAD PRONOUNCED tripps rather than Euphoric Positive ones that made me feel like i took a LIFE SHOWER, but This one is a tricky one. I agree with posters around me. I used to be able to trip and go out skateboarding and have a great time for the first little but then wanted to adventure to where id dose and want to only be somewhere by myself listening to certain music. The thing that ended my ABUSE of psychedelics was a way way way to high dose of pure powder DXM and i wasn't right for a very long time after. So i guess my trips did seem to get more and more pronounced bringing out the negative rather than positive. Im kinda in a battle with this now whether to dose or not since it's been years now and i am more mentally stable. After i decide on the day i can let you know, but i hope anything i said or asked helped if you can reply. Be safe out there,

Always Be Safe,
-B

 

[doxzer]

I suppose it looks like I either am doomed to these gnarly trips forever, or I have some sort of underlying problem that I'm unaware of that's causing me to have these trips. The only thing I could think of regarding that would be that during the gap where I had no access to psychedelics, I ended a relationship of almost 4 years, it's been almost a year since then though and I don't feel bothered by it.

What would a psychologist think if I went to them saying: "I think there's something Wrong with me, I don't know what it is but I know it's there because of my psychedelic drug trips."
^^^ not a sarcastic question

If integration is the process of integrating the knowledge, wisdom, and realizations I've collected throughout the trip into my everyday life then yes, I've done it to the best of my ability. Something I noticed about it though is A: I can't always quite remember what I learned, it's like a dream that you can't quite remember, you know it's there and you remember the idea of it but not what it was and B: many of my realizations are startlingly simple once I've come out of the trip and found a way to make them understandable, things like I should brush my teeth everyday and lying to people only causes problems. I try to give each trip enough time to properly set it before I trip again.

I've become so concerned with setting that I'll only trip on Fridays starting before 11am because the dark takes me bad places and I have all Saturday off to stay home and recover. I refuse to trip if I have even the slightest inkling of negative thought or stress in my mind. Unfinished homework, upcoming tests, impending shifts at work, since my shroom episode I won't trip unless everything is perfect.

Side note: I took my shrooms at about 10pm with 2 friends who took equal doses. Everything was great for a solid 6 hours, we had a beautifully recreational and fun time, no profound world breaking realizations. At this point they came down and it was over for them but for some reason I was pulled into what disregardeverythingisay.com refers to as level 7A visual geometry but I was being violently pulled in and out of it. Every time I was able to look at the clock it was ticking backwards laughing at me. My shit attack lasted about two hours, by the end of it I was in my underwear in the fetal position but sitting, holding one of my friends under each arm rocking back and forth saying "it's just me here, neither of you are real." When it finally ended around 6am I felt like I was on ecstasy because I was so happy not to be in the terrible place is been for the 2 hours that literally felt like 3 days.

 

[krrl]

What would a psychologist think if I went to them saying: "I think there's something Wrong with me, I don't know what it is but I know it's there because of my psychedelic drug trips."
^^^ not a sarcastic question

Depends hugely on them and on their education + experience, but they might actually be perfectly okay with such a statement and help you make sense of your experiences. I'd recommend a psychotherapist though. But if you find one that's good, they won't be judgemental and won't try to be telling you to "stay away" from psychedelics or anything of the sort. They won't be encouraging you either (and I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to do that) but they might be very interested in what you tell them about your experiences and use that information in the therapy, since it's actually an important part of your psyche that can be explored and, yes, integrated.

 

[loumacari]

Surely it can't be that uncomfortable if your still tripping! Maybe the acid your getting now is just way stronger than what you were getting before. In the past ten of one sort of trip, won't be as powerful as one of some really great acid.