Coming off Invega/Xeplion (paliperidone) injections v 12

[invegaloner]

I hear your point about depression and small steps. Genuine question: do you think there's a difference between depression that develops on its own and the anhedonia caused by a dopamine-blocking drug? Because to me, they feel like different things, and the "small steps" approach often doesn't work when your dopamine receptors are blocked

Depression can be caused by multiple things, it’s already listed as a side effect of multiple pharmaceuticals so no not really, the end result is still the same. I think it’s easier to give up in a sense and blame invega because it’s something that you would be given during an already major event. Invega can cause negative effects on mood but you’re most likely already in a negative mood before injections because of your environment. The side effects from invega can go away but you can still feel bad because of the offer factors in your life that haven’t changed, whether it’s in your control or not. Doing absolutely nothing will do nothing but make things worse no matter the case though.

 

[InnerReturn]

Depression can be caused by multiple things, it’s already listed as a side effect of multiple pharmaceuticals so no not really, the end result is still the same. I think it’s easier to give up in a sense and blame invega because it’s something that you would be given during an already major event. Invega can cause negative effects on mood but you’re most likely already in a negative mood before injections because of your environment. The side effects from invega can go away but you can still feel bad because of the offer factors in your life that haven’t changed, whether it’s in your control or not. Doing absolutely nothing will do nothing but make things worse no matter the case though.

Depression has many causes, yes. But chemically induced anhedonia from dopamine blockade is not the same as depression from life circumstances. They may look similar from the outside, but they feel fundamentally different from the inside. I'm glad your approach is working for you — truly. From my own experience, I can say that during the depression that started around the age of 12, I was in a very active life position — apathy and my life were antonyms. Even though circumstances were not in my favor, I found sources of inspiration and strived for something. Of course, the situation later became worse, to the point where I had to take antidepressants, but I still held on to hope. But the Invega incident literally turned everything upside down, making my already difficult life even harder. So I think that depression caused by circumstances is easier to treat by going through psychotherapy sessions, whereas after Invega you need to wait some more time until the dopamine receptors set the "right brightness"

 

[KubiKook]

Depression can be caused by multiple things, it’s already listed as a side effect of multiple pharmaceuticals so no not really, the end result is still the same. I think it’s easier to give up in a sense and blame invega because it’s something that you would be given during an already major event. Invega can cause negative effects on mood but you’re most likely already in a negative mood before injections because of your environment. The side effects from invega can go away but you can still feel bad because of the offer factors in your life that haven’t changed, whether it’s in your control or not. Doing absolutely nothing will do nothing but make things worse no matter the case though.

For me, there is a huge difference between depression, which I've gone through all of my life, and the fallout from Invega (& other antipsychotics). Mine happens to be a long-long withdrawal issue. For some reason I'm still emotionless & 'disabled' in so many ways. This was never the case with 'normal' depression. No matter how down I was, I still engaged in necessary activities, such as cooking & cleaning, washing & grooming, and other ones as well, watching movies & favorite TV shows, going for walks & getting sun, reading & writing, Crosswords, yada-yada. And I still felt something while doing them. This is SO different now. I can't really explain it, but my brain is nothing like it was before. I've never experienced anything like this. It's beyond brutal! ~ Dan

 

[invegaloner]

Depression has many causes, yes. But chemically induced anhedonia from dopamine blockade is not the same as depression from life circumstances. They may look similar from the outside, but they feel fundamentally different from the inside. I'm glad your approach is working for you — truly. From my own experience, I can say that during the depression that started around the age of 12, I was in a very active life position — apathy and my life were antonyms. Even though circumstances were not in my favor, I found sources of inspiration and strived for something. Of course, the situation later became worse, to the point where I had to take antidepressants, but I still held on to hope. But the Invega incident literally turned everything upside down, making my already difficult life even harder. So I think that depression caused by circumstances is easier to treat by going through psychotherapy sessions, whereas after Invega you need to wait some more time until the dopamine receptors set the "right brightness"

I don’t disagree with you, the anhedonia was like nothing I’ve ever experienced before and was really scary and jarring. The thing is though is that everything is going to take some time to get through. A lot of things feel like they’re going to be forever but very few things are. It may be harder than something else, but you’re still physically able to do things, it’s a mental block.

 

[invegaloner]

For me, there is a huge difference between depression, which I've gone through all of my life, and the fallout from Invega (& other antipsychotics). Mine happens to be a long-long withdrawal issue. For some reason I'm still emotionless & 'disabled' in so many ways. This was never the case with 'normal' depression. No matter how down I was, I still engaged in necessary activities, such as cooking & cleaning, washing & grooming, and other ones as well, watching movies & favorite TV shows, going for walks & getting sun, reading & writing, Crosswords, yada-yada. And I still felt something while doing them. This is SO different now. I can't really explain it, but my brain is nothing like it was before. I've never experienced anything like this. It's beyond brutal! ~ Dan

This is actually very typical of depression, not taking care of yourself and your surroundings is a huge indicator. Not feeling interested in things you used to be is also an indicator. There are just levels to how bad it gets. I’ve experienced this before invega.

 

[InvegaAnon]

did you say no? or were you forced?

I took it electively because the hospital was so bad at attending to me making me feel safe., I just wanted to leave.

 

[InvegaAnon]

I was thinking about Bojana today and it's such a shame she's not alive now to cheer us on with our recovery. She had kids and was 46 years old. Such a beautiful name too, Bojana. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think she was 14 months off of Invega when she ended it. I wish she were still alive today.

She had invega trinza, I told her that it wasn't even out of her system yet and she killed herself anyway. I wish it had never happened to her, it didn't have to. I hate the doctor who gave it to her, he gave it to her for depression. No antipsychotics ever, not schizophrenic, the idiot jumped her up to the highest dose of a heavy antipsychotic and now she's dead. If that isn't malpractice I don't know what is.

 

[paranoid android]

I took it electively because the hospital was so bad at attending to me making me feel safe., I just wanted to leave.

The PTSD from the psych hospital actually fucked me up way worse then the injections. That shit was straight up trauma. Between being thrown in solitary myself and pinned down and injected about 5 or 6 times, seeing others being thrown in solitary, all the screaming and shit and just general noise and ya i had some PTSD for sure. Thankfully shrooms and ketamine really helped me

 

[KubiKook]

This is actually very typical of depression, not taking care of yourself and your surroundings is a huge indicator. Not feeling interested in things you used to be is also an indicator. There are just levels to how bad it gets. I’ve experienced this before invega.

It was NEVER typical of me. This is all Invega fallout. It corrupted my brain, made me a different person in the most horrible ways. Two fateful f'n injections.