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Mental Health Coming off Invega Sustenna (paliperidone)
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Hmmm.I hope I'll see the results next 2-3 weeks
Its hard not to be bitter getting injected with this poison, but wot ever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, you'll recover, I'm still dribbling on the pillow when I sleep at night and waking up depressed as hell every morning, you just got to accept it
It's true! A lot of people confirm that their emotions and motivation are blocked while being on antidepressants or any other psychiatric drug. So OzzyEcer, you should see some improvements once your drug will leave your blood stream.
Mostly, people recover between 8-12 months, I know a guy who only had 2 injections and fully recovered after 6 months, so it depends also on your dosages.
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Another best book suggestion:
Health via Food by William Howard Hay
I was "told" to recommend this book, to fellow sufferers.
Now I feel I am taking my life more seriously.
I was alarmed as all hell, when I heard of the mortalities in Europe from this drug. Hopefully this book can help prevent misery of others.
Good luck.
Health via Food by William Howard Hay
I was "told" to recommend this book, to fellow sufferers.
Now I feel I am taking my life more seriously.
I was alarmed as all hell, when I heard of the mortalities in Europe from this drug. Hopefully this book can help prevent misery of others.
Good luck.
It took over 3 weeks after his one shot of 156 mg before he got better. They wanted to give him a second shot at the hospital. Luckily the judge and his lawyer got him out of there. I can't even imagine how bad it could have gotten if he got another shot. He might not have made it. He's almost back to normal now - but he still can't sleep. Antihistamines (Benadryl) helps a little - plus warm bath, dark room, no video games at night, foot message before bed, that sort of thing.
We're both very much into alternative (natural) treatments for recovering from mental health issues. There's lot's of great information out there. Check out Ortho-molecular Psychiatry, Doctoryourself.com, and Dr. Abram Hoffer. Dr. Hoffer is no longer living, but his treated thousands of patients very successfully. Here's what worked for my son:
Possible causes of psychosis:
Neurotoxins: Alcohol, THC, caffeine, Nicotine, Sugar
Excess caffeine (and/or a caffeine allergy)
Food allergies
Candida overgrowth
Excess free radicals
Electrolyte imbalance
Lack of sleep and stress
Vitamin deficiencies or imbalances
Magnesium deficiencies
Lack of Omega 3 fatty acids
Heavy metal poisoning or Toxins
Side Effects of Withdrawal from Invega Sustenna:
http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/0...ne-withdrawal-symptoms-list-of-possibilities/
Counteracting Invega Sustenna: (a Dopamine and Seratonin Uptake Inhibitor)
Theory: Flood the body with dopamine and serotonin which will counteract the Dopamine and Seratonin Uptake Inhibitors or receptors in the brain.
Diet:
Healthy Food – Include Protein, Probiotics, Garlic
Supplements:
5HTP
Sam-E
Vit C (not ascorbic acid)
B complex
Extra niacin
GABA
Fish oil (Omega 3)
Coconut Water (electrolytes)
Vit D3 (liquid)
Vit E
Increase Seratonin with:
Psychotherapy
Positive thoughts
meditation
Exposure to bright light (3000 lux)
Exercise
Sleep (CBD helps)
CBD oil (tincture or vape oil)
Dopamine:
Get a routine schedule (work & sleep)
Reduce Stress
Decrease Sugar Consumption
Decrease Caffeine
Add L-Tyrosine (pill or food)
Magnesium Citrate (not oxide)
Anti-oxidants
Please remember that the longer you've been on the medication, the longer it will take to get it out of your system.
Good Luck!!!
We're both very much into alternative (natural) treatments for recovering from mental health issues. There's lot's of great information out there. Check out Ortho-molecular Psychiatry, Doctoryourself.com, and Dr. Abram Hoffer. Dr. Hoffer is no longer living, but his treated thousands of patients very successfully. Here's what worked for my son:
Possible causes of psychosis:
Neurotoxins: Alcohol, THC, caffeine, Nicotine, Sugar
Excess caffeine (and/or a caffeine allergy)
Food allergies
Candida overgrowth
Excess free radicals
Electrolyte imbalance
Lack of sleep and stress
Vitamin deficiencies or imbalances
Magnesium deficiencies
Lack of Omega 3 fatty acids
Heavy metal poisoning or Toxins
Side Effects of Withdrawal from Invega Sustenna:
http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/0...ne-withdrawal-symptoms-list-of-possibilities/
Counteracting Invega Sustenna: (a Dopamine and Seratonin Uptake Inhibitor)
Theory: Flood the body with dopamine and serotonin which will counteract the Dopamine and Seratonin Uptake Inhibitors or receptors in the brain.
Diet:
Healthy Food – Include Protein, Probiotics, Garlic
Supplements:
5HTP
Sam-E
Vit C (not ascorbic acid)
B complex
Extra niacin
GABA
Fish oil (Omega 3)
Coconut Water (electrolytes)
Vit D3 (liquid)
Vit E
Increase Seratonin with:
Psychotherapy
Positive thoughts
meditation
Exposure to bright light (3000 lux)
Exercise
Sleep (CBD helps)
CBD oil (tincture or vape oil)
Dopamine:
Get a routine schedule (work & sleep)
Reduce Stress
Decrease Sugar Consumption
Decrease Caffeine
Add L-Tyrosine (pill or food)
Magnesium Citrate (not oxide)
Anti-oxidants
Please remember that the longer you've been on the medication, the longer it will take to get it out of your system.
Good Luck!!!
Thanks for that hilary some good supplements there, they can only help your son's recovery. I wish my parents had been as helpful, my mother just changes the subject when I try bringing up the subject of my forced drugging and my father just says its in my head and that the poison won't be effecting me anymore, its good that you've done your research.
I still think the next couple of months are going to be rough for your son, the poison takes over the receptors in your body and blocks the dopamine and serotonin from working properly leading to some severe depression and other side effects. My sleeping improved after the first month, the restlessness and anxiety improved at month 3, the depression was at its worst months 2 to 4 although I had blood tests and had a vit D deficancy, the concentraction improved at month 4 and I was finally able to watch a movie, my episode was caused with smoking cannabis 24/7 not sure what caused your sons but you have to be careful of rebound symptoms as the poison gradually leaves your system, not sure if thats what happened to previous posters or they just recovered at the 5 to 6 month stage and abandonned this place.
Thought of trying 5htp myself but I think I'm through the worst of it at month 4 and I do seem to be improving each day, not sure if thats because I got the holiday season over with or the receptors in my body are finally unblocking and I'm recieving dopamine and serotonin, its a long process and I could have to wait another 4 months to recover completely.
Your son might be one of the lucky ones that can handle AP's, most of us on here just can't handle them and get extreme side effects from them, don't want to scare you hilary, we just got forced them in hospital or prescribed them, there are people that actually like the poison believe it or not or perhaps they are just that drugged up they know no better although its usually different AP's and not invega.
Anyhow thanks for the list of supplements, probably the most informative on this thread and hopefully we get some feedback from others that try them and they've got to be a better option than antidepressants although I'm still thinking a dopamine agonist could be another option and congratulations on doing your homework.
I still think the next couple of months are going to be rough for your son, the poison takes over the receptors in your body and blocks the dopamine and serotonin from working properly leading to some severe depression and other side effects. My sleeping improved after the first month, the restlessness and anxiety improved at month 3, the depression was at its worst months 2 to 4 although I had blood tests and had a vit D deficancy, the concentraction improved at month 4 and I was finally able to watch a movie, my episode was caused with smoking cannabis 24/7 not sure what caused your sons but you have to be careful of rebound symptoms as the poison gradually leaves your system, not sure if thats what happened to previous posters or they just recovered at the 5 to 6 month stage and abandonned this place.
Thought of trying 5htp myself but I think I'm through the worst of it at month 4 and I do seem to be improving each day, not sure if thats because I got the holiday season over with or the receptors in my body are finally unblocking and I'm recieving dopamine and serotonin, its a long process and I could have to wait another 4 months to recover completely.
Your son might be one of the lucky ones that can handle AP's, most of us on here just can't handle them and get extreme side effects from them, don't want to scare you hilary, we just got forced them in hospital or prescribed them, there are people that actually like the poison believe it or not or perhaps they are just that drugged up they know no better although its usually different AP's and not invega.
Anyhow thanks for the list of supplements, probably the most informative on this thread and hopefully we get some feedback from others that try them and they've got to be a better option than antidepressants although I'm still thinking a dopamine agonist could be another option and congratulations on doing your homework.
Oh he really can’t handle ap’s. After he got out of the hospital (psych ward), he was in terrible shape mentally. We went to the ER at another hospital because of the side effects from the Invega. He was even willing to get committed again, just to try to do something – anything – to try to combat the terrible depression, lack of feeling, despair, and hopelessness. It was terrible. I’ve never seen anything like it. He talked about killing himself, and asked if I would care. That broke my heart.
He had another at least 2 week psychotic episode 6 years ago, when he was 17. I think it was from weed, alcohol, ‘magic’ mushrooms, lack of sleep, caffeine, stress, and poor diet. That time he received risperdal. It’s the same family of drugs as Invega. It was terrible then too. Every morning I was afraid I would find him dead in his room, he was so miserable. Unfortunately, I’m not sure he’s convinced that the weed is a problem for him.
While some people can smoke all the time and not be affected, others can't. Apparently some people have gene variation that makes them more susceptible to psychosis from THC exposure.
http://www.livescience.com/24873-marijuana-psychosis-pot-side-effects.html
http://www.livescience.com/50794-marijuana-intoxication-delusions-psychotic-symptoms.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=most-popular
However, not everything about marijuana is bad for these people. Ironically it's also helping people recover from psychotic experiences. There was a scientific study done in Germany to compare amisulpride (an anti-psychotic drug used in Europe) with cannabinoids (CBD) in patients diagnosed with the label "schizophrenia". It turned out that the CBD was just as effective as amisulpride but without the side effects. (Hmmm, why is this stuff illegal to grow in my state?)
http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/08/30/cannabidiol-cbd-may-reduce-psychotic-symptoms-of-schizophrenia/
There is now a strain of marijuana that is 100% CBD and 0% THC. It's the first strain of it's kind that has seeds available for purchase to the general public. It's called "CBD Therapy". It was developed by the breeders, CB Crew, and is available from Seedsman, although they are out of stock right now. However, I believe breeders are getting the message and are starting to develop strains to maximize CBD compounds. "Charlottes Web" was the original high CBD and very low THC strain developed. But it's not available from seed. There is another strain recently developed in Israel called "Avidekel", but the seeds are not available either.
One theory floating around is that people might be able to smoke cannabis with enough CBD to protect them from THC induced psychosis. But it’s just a theory. I'd prefer that my son not be the guinea pig for that experiment.
He had another at least 2 week psychotic episode 6 years ago, when he was 17. I think it was from weed, alcohol, ‘magic’ mushrooms, lack of sleep, caffeine, stress, and poor diet. That time he received risperdal. It’s the same family of drugs as Invega. It was terrible then too. Every morning I was afraid I would find him dead in his room, he was so miserable. Unfortunately, I’m not sure he’s convinced that the weed is a problem for him.
While some people can smoke all the time and not be affected, others can't. Apparently some people have gene variation that makes them more susceptible to psychosis from THC exposure.
http://www.livescience.com/24873-marijuana-psychosis-pot-side-effects.html
http://www.livescience.com/50794-marijuana-intoxication-delusions-psychotic-symptoms.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=most-popular
However, not everything about marijuana is bad for these people. Ironically it's also helping people recover from psychotic experiences. There was a scientific study done in Germany to compare amisulpride (an anti-psychotic drug used in Europe) with cannabinoids (CBD) in patients diagnosed with the label "schizophrenia". It turned out that the CBD was just as effective as amisulpride but without the side effects. (Hmmm, why is this stuff illegal to grow in my state?)
http://www.medicaljane.com/2013/08/30/cannabidiol-cbd-may-reduce-psychotic-symptoms-of-schizophrenia/
There is now a strain of marijuana that is 100% CBD and 0% THC. It's the first strain of it's kind that has seeds available for purchase to the general public. It's called "CBD Therapy". It was developed by the breeders, CB Crew, and is available from Seedsman, although they are out of stock right now. However, I believe breeders are getting the message and are starting to develop strains to maximize CBD compounds. "Charlottes Web" was the original high CBD and very low THC strain developed. But it's not available from seed. There is another strain recently developed in Israel called "Avidekel", but the seeds are not available either.
One theory floating around is that people might be able to smoke cannabis with enough CBD to protect them from THC induced psychosis. But it’s just a theory. I'd prefer that my son not be the guinea pig for that experiment.
My problems with cannabis started when I began smoking it 24/7 three years ago, I had to have a joint on waking up just to cope with the hangover from the previous days drinking and smoking. I have to say I was quite happy and was also starting to grow my own which I also became addicted to. Previously for the last 10 years I only smoked and drank at night and I managed to lead a normal working life during the day.
At the moment the cannabis is scaring me a little bit after 2 stays in the psych ward and forced drugging on both occasions. I think I've got over my addiction to growing it, its illegal where I live and I'm on a suspended sentence for it aswell, but I miss going to the pub and getting high with my friends, getting high in the house by myself is not much fun for me at the moment, the invega is probably blocking the full effects and I think if I can stay off it for another couple of months my brain should have hopefully rewired itself and I can then enjoy smoking it again. Thats the plan at the moment.
Not sure the cannabis helps with the recovery from the poison, the receptors are still blocked and I don't think you get the medical benefits from it, not sure if cbd can penetrate the poison, but most people on AP's report that they don't get the same high..
Just glad the depression is finally lifting, all I need to do now is find a new hobby besides weed growing and invega, I'm planning on taking the year off work just to recover and hopefully not end up back in hospital, ideally I'd stay off the cannabis for that long aswell. If only the doctors knew more about treating cannabis psychosis and didn't just reach for AP's as a first line of treatment I'd be back smoking now in the evenings but for the time being I'll try to make do with a couple of cans of beer.
Lol I'm an addict or just bored
At the moment the cannabis is scaring me a little bit after 2 stays in the psych ward and forced drugging on both occasions. I think I've got over my addiction to growing it, its illegal where I live and I'm on a suspended sentence for it aswell, but I miss going to the pub and getting high with my friends, getting high in the house by myself is not much fun for me at the moment, the invega is probably blocking the full effects and I think if I can stay off it for another couple of months my brain should have hopefully rewired itself and I can then enjoy smoking it again. Thats the plan at the moment.
Not sure the cannabis helps with the recovery from the poison, the receptors are still blocked and I don't think you get the medical benefits from it, not sure if cbd can penetrate the poison, but most people on AP's report that they don't get the same high..
Just glad the depression is finally lifting, all I need to do now is find a new hobby besides weed growing and invega, I'm planning on taking the year off work just to recover and hopefully not end up back in hospital, ideally I'd stay off the cannabis for that long aswell. If only the doctors knew more about treating cannabis psychosis and didn't just reach for AP's as a first line of treatment I'd be back smoking now in the evenings but for the time being I'll try to make do with a couple of cans of beer.
Lol I'm an addict or just bored
Hey guys ive had some zopiclone/ambien tonight and it helped me realize that i should be happy if it wasnt for the invega. The ambien sorta made me breakthrough and feel sober as if there was no invega left in me(and im only a month and a half since last injection) and i was happy with life, now its starting to wear off and im noticing the dark unpleasant invega waves flowing through me again. Jeez its a horrible drug but i hope that this gives hope to others just know that the invega is the problem and in time you will heal the depression the anxiety its all invegas fault. Peace
Week 17
Not sure why I'm doing weekly updates, it should be monthly when you notice the improvements, still depressed, no interest in doing anything or the energy for it, no sex drive, still spending my days at my parents house, thought the depression was lifting at the start of the week, but its back, at least its not the suicidal type, just a feeling that I'm missing out on life while I wait for this poison to clear my system and the thought that if I get too drunk and high again I could be back to square one.
Still no weed this year, but its a struggle not to smoke it, been having a cigarette every half hour to cope with the side effects, I need to cut down now they have eased off. Its still a struggle upon waking each morning and my routine is ciggy, coffee, ciggy, lie on the couch trying to chill.
Got another doctors appointment late next week, don't think its worth going down the antedepressant route at this stage and if he mentions seroquel I'm going to tell him I'd rather smoke weed, at least I can mention the sex drive again and hopefully there's something that he can prescribe for that, I feel like a child at the moment and if that starts working normally again I wouldn't be as depressed and might actually get some motivation to do other things.
Reading about the poison, it says that it can linger in fat deposits for over a year, not sure if fasting would help get rid of it sooner, but regular exercise has got to help, its just so depressing having to wait for it to clear and the idiots who give this stuff out don't seem to have a clue how dangerous it is, you've just got to chill I suppose, another 3 weeks and I'll be at month 5, just got to try and stay off the cannabis I suppose and let the brain recover, might have to look into a dopamine supplement or just wait till see what the doctor comes up with. Its got to be lack of dopamine and serotonin though, there's no other explanation for it unless its withdrawal.
Not sure why I'm doing weekly updates, it should be monthly when you notice the improvements, still depressed, no interest in doing anything or the energy for it, no sex drive, still spending my days at my parents house, thought the depression was lifting at the start of the week, but its back, at least its not the suicidal type, just a feeling that I'm missing out on life while I wait for this poison to clear my system and the thought that if I get too drunk and high again I could be back to square one.
Still no weed this year, but its a struggle not to smoke it, been having a cigarette every half hour to cope with the side effects, I need to cut down now they have eased off. Its still a struggle upon waking each morning and my routine is ciggy, coffee, ciggy, lie on the couch trying to chill.
Got another doctors appointment late next week, don't think its worth going down the antedepressant route at this stage and if he mentions seroquel I'm going to tell him I'd rather smoke weed, at least I can mention the sex drive again and hopefully there's something that he can prescribe for that, I feel like a child at the moment and if that starts working normally again I wouldn't be as depressed and might actually get some motivation to do other things.
Reading about the poison, it says that it can linger in fat deposits for over a year, not sure if fasting would help get rid of it sooner, but regular exercise has got to help, its just so depressing having to wait for it to clear and the idiots who give this stuff out don't seem to have a clue how dangerous it is, you've just got to chill I suppose, another 3 weeks and I'll be at month 5, just got to try and stay off the cannabis I suppose and let the brain recover, might have to look into a dopamine supplement or just wait till see what the doctor comes up with. Its got to be lack of dopamine and serotonin though, there's no other explanation for it unless its withdrawal.
Today I've reached the 4th half life (200 days).
According to my half lives calculations, I have 17.2 mg of Invega Sustenna in my blood, I feel better I more awake, I have more conversations and my mind isn't blank anymore, but I still don't have motivation nor emotions, I'm at the beginning of month 7 I think 17.2 mg of this poison is still enough to bock my dopamine receptors. I'll see if within 2 months I recover (the 5th half life will be at the end of february).
According to my half lives calculations, I have 17.2 mg of Invega Sustenna in my blood, I feel better I more awake, I have more conversations and my mind isn't blank anymore, but I still don't have motivation nor emotions, I'm at the beginning of month 7 I think 17.2 mg of this poison is still enough to bock my dopamine receptors. I'll see if within 2 months I recover (the 5th half life will be at the end of february).
iridescentblack
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This may be my last update.
Strange how something can become such a big part of you just by being very persistent and evasive and - despite your best interests - stick with you for a number of years. Something not wholly unlike a parasite can become so deeply ingrained that when it finally goes away, you almost feel a great sense of loss (even if it doesn't make you sad to see it go). But know that energy is constantly moving... and it moves (changes) into something else. What was once there with you, being the worst pain in your ass, but not totally detrimental to you is suddenly gone, morphing into something beautiful and deadly... but you can't see it. You'll never know what it is (or what it looks like) until the moment it breaks free from its chrysalis.
Scar
Strange how something can become such a big part of you just by being very persistent and evasive and - despite your best interests - stick with you for a number of years. Something not wholly unlike a parasite can become so deeply ingrained that when it finally goes away, you almost feel a great sense of loss (even if it doesn't make you sad to see it go). But know that energy is constantly moving... and it moves (changes) into something else. What was once there with you, being the worst pain in your ass, but not totally detrimental to you is suddenly gone, morphing into something beautiful and deadly... but you can't see it. You'll never know what it is (or what it looks like) until the moment it breaks free from its chrysalis.
Scar
I've been reading some of your histories. Wow. I just can't fathom how these medications get government approval. They are instruments of torture. But it's encouraging to see that people are getting better.
I hope that everyone here who is experiencing trouble with Invega has reported the problems to the FDA. Here's a website link to their forms. Please, please do what you can to get these drugs out of the hands of doctors who prescribe them. If enough people report problems to the FDA, they are more likely to take some action.
For the FDA MedWatch Consumer Voluntary Reporting, get the forms here:
[h=3][PDF]FORM FDA 3500B - Food and Drug Administration[/h]
For emergencies involving FDA regulated productsCall FDA's emergency number: 1-866-300-4374 or 301-796-8240. It is staffed 24 hours a day, seven days a week
I hope that everyone here who is experiencing trouble with Invega has reported the problems to the FDA. Here's a website link to their forms. Please, please do what you can to get these drugs out of the hands of doctors who prescribe them. If enough people report problems to the FDA, they are more likely to take some action.
For the FDA MedWatch Consumer Voluntary Reporting, get the forms here:
[h=3][PDF]FORM FDA 3500B - Food and Drug Administration[/h]
For emergencies involving FDA regulated productsCall FDA's emergency number: 1-866-300-4374 or 301-796-8240. It is staffed 24 hours a day, seven days a week
I think the power of habit is somewhat underestimated in people trying to recover. If you spend months not doing much because of over-medication, you're not going to magically become productive after it's gone. You'll have to re-train and re-acclimate your body to doing things. I mean its true even for people who aren't under the influence of drugs and who spend a significant amount of time (a month or longer) not doing things. It takes effort to get back in the routine of getting things done and being active.
Symbolicone09
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yes im currently going through this process and its the hardest thing to deal with. I forced my self when under the effects of invega but after i experienced relief my production dropped in the social aspect. My music production improved, gaming with friends still occur, watching movies with family(at home or theaters) still occurs but i dont really go outside and just explore or stumble into something. Gotta keep working at it. Hope everyone had a good new years and holidays.
I don't think so, I tried everything revising, learning, exercising, reading, but without motivation (dopamine) it's hard to work it was so difficult that I had to cancel my university registration. It's a biological problem not a psychological one! Even at month 7 I still force myself to read articles, I have more focus since the drug level dropped but I still can't feel pleasure while reading nor emotions, by blocking the dopamine receptors it's all the reward system which is blocked!
This drug made me feel the worst I've ever felt. I'm a little after 1 month, shot up with 156mg. Worst decision I ever made, worst thing that ever happened to me - and I've been married and divorced. That's how bad this drug is.
It *made me have psychosis*. Made me hear voices like robotic voices. Hoping it's a withdrawal symptom?
Anyone think up regulating dopamine could help? Or ways to do that?
It blocks serotonin and dopamine, doesn't it? If it blocks them, wouldn't up regulating dopamine help? Maybe even just taking L-dopa? @Decisive? Don't you have to at least do something about those receptors being blocked? Or do people here mostly just eat healthy foods - like fruit and salads, for that purpose? I am big on holistic healing.
Hilary, sounded good, your post. I had heard of orthmolecular medicine and niacin, Abram Hoffer.
Like Hilary, made a list of pro-serotonin (tryptophan) and pro-dopamine (tyrosine for l-dopa) foods.
Could I be having withdrawal symptoms after a month? Could be a good sign? Felt like I was going to die. Extreme nausea.
Maybe withdrawal symptoms mean I won't feel the effects as badly soon?
Someone said MDMA gave them a breakthrough? Symbolic one. And now youre having a hard time. Took your post to heart. FWIW, chocolate may be like a natural MDMA, a phenythlymaine. And such things can help break through, open the heart field, and clear of the distortion of the drug. Might have to make some chocolates/chocolate milk.
I've been through lots of hippy-type/psychedelic experiences before, hoping to break through the field of this drug. Hence, things that open the heart - chocolate/MDMA. Shrooms helped someone(s)? Weed/CBD has been helping? Like others' 'be active' / find activities that help - knowing you can break through the distorted fields' influence.
Iridescentblack, your posts were interesting for that reason. 'Distorted field' / Tesla 'all is vibration.' Rem. the heart field is also the largest, EMF-wise.
Aren't serotonin and dopamine chems. responsible for tripping? And they block them. So, ways to up regulate / produce serotonin and dopamine? Trypt-ophan was one (serotonin, essential).
My food lists from before, overall:
tofu, 70%, and these beans, white beans, roman, pinto, kidney, pink, navy, black beans
^ all high L-tryptophan-> Serotonin
(ESSENTIAL)
Tofu 51 % white beans, adzuki, lentils, roman, kidney, black, pinto, chickpeas
-> L-Tyrosine, L-Dopa/ Dopamine
(semi-essential)
then also peanuts, sunflower, hemp
Thanks all.
It *made me have psychosis*. Made me hear voices like robotic voices. Hoping it's a withdrawal symptom?
Anyone think up regulating dopamine could help? Or ways to do that?
It blocks serotonin and dopamine, doesn't it? If it blocks them, wouldn't up regulating dopamine help? Maybe even just taking L-dopa? @Decisive? Don't you have to at least do something about those receptors being blocked? Or do people here mostly just eat healthy foods - like fruit and salads, for that purpose? I am big on holistic healing.
Hilary, sounded good, your post. I had heard of orthmolecular medicine and niacin, Abram Hoffer.
Like Hilary, made a list of pro-serotonin (tryptophan) and pro-dopamine (tyrosine for l-dopa) foods.
Could I be having withdrawal symptoms after a month? Could be a good sign? Felt like I was going to die. Extreme nausea.
Maybe withdrawal symptoms mean I won't feel the effects as badly soon?
Someone said MDMA gave them a breakthrough? Symbolic one. And now youre having a hard time. Took your post to heart. FWIW, chocolate may be like a natural MDMA, a phenythlymaine. And such things can help break through, open the heart field, and clear of the distortion of the drug. Might have to make some chocolates/chocolate milk.
I've been through lots of hippy-type/psychedelic experiences before, hoping to break through the field of this drug. Hence, things that open the heart - chocolate/MDMA. Shrooms helped someone(s)? Weed/CBD has been helping? Like others' 'be active' / find activities that help - knowing you can break through the distorted fields' influence.
Iridescentblack, your posts were interesting for that reason. 'Distorted field' / Tesla 'all is vibration.' Rem. the heart field is also the largest, EMF-wise.
Aren't serotonin and dopamine chems. responsible for tripping? And they block them. So, ways to up regulate / produce serotonin and dopamine? Trypt-ophan was one (serotonin, essential).
My food lists from before, overall:
tofu, 70%, and these beans, white beans, roman, pinto, kidney, pink, navy, black beans
^ all high L-tryptophan-> Serotonin
(ESSENTIAL)
Tofu 51 % white beans, adzuki, lentils, roman, kidney, black, pinto, chickpeas
-> L-Tyrosine, L-Dopa/ Dopamine
(semi-essential)
then also peanuts, sunflower, hemp
Thanks all.
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Have you tried heavy cleansing the body? Like a diet of nothing but fruits and vegetables, roughage and cleanse bowels, in theory that if you lift the burden off the body enough it'll cleanse the drug more easily? Cleanse the bowels most i.e. take the most dumps, shits, and may have the burden off the body enough for it to cleanse the drug more easily.
Or things to up-regulate or produce dopamine? Dopamine foods. L-tyrosine foods. Listed some in my post.
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