Mental Health Coming off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v3

[awesome31311]

Just to dodge court fees? Why?

I was under an involuntary civil commitment for about 18 months. It ended back in December and I stopped taking my medication. Should I still leave the state? Or country?

Because court is expensive for some.
If you are under no court ordered medication or treatment, and make sure you verify this, you can simply ignore all mails they send and don't give them any information. Even information posted publicly with a clear name that identifies you can be used against you. For example if you sent emails to your doctor and the police investigated you, they may look at your prior history and send you back to the hospital (even if you were perfectly healthy when you posted it). So, it's important you don't give them any information. They will try to contact your family. Tell your family to not tell the staff anything either. They're simply trying to build a case.

In most cases though, they don't really care to pursue if it's going to cost too much money and drop you from the program. If you've stopped since December and nobody's contacted you, you should be good provided you don't get detained by police again. From personal experience, even if police detain me for completely unrelated reasons, they'll still ask mental health act related questions. I tell them that really has nothing to do with the case.

I have a chronic headache could this be the receptors that are dead?
Man I want it all back.
I feel disabled.
My head feels weird. Things gross me out.
When will I notice improvement!!!!

I'm sorry man. I remember when I used to keep asking when I will notice improvement. I did see improvement in 3 months, but wasn't myself until about a year.

 

[Sbar25]

Because court is expensive for some.
If you are under no court ordered medication or treatment, and make sure you verify this, you can simply ignore all mails they send and don't give them any information. Even information posted publicly with a clear name that identifies you can be used against you. For example if you sent emails to your doctor and the police investigated you, they may look at your prior history and send you back to the hospital (even if you were perfectly healthy when you posted it). So, it's important you don't give them any information. They will try to contact your family. Tell your family to not tell the staff anything either. They're simply trying to build a case.

In most cases though, they don't really care to pursue if it's going to cost too much money and drop you from the program. If you've stopped since December and nobody's contacted you, you should be good provided you don't get detained by police again. From personal experience, even if police detain me for completely unrelated reasons, they'll still ask mental health act related questions. I tell them that really has nothing to do with the case.




I'm sorry man. I remember when I used to keep asking when I will notice improvement. I did see improvement in 3 months, but wasn't myself until about a year.

I got out of the hospital after 1 injection. What are the chances of the police targeting me in public? If they ask to talk to me is it guaranteed they could take me too the hospital?
After a year did you feel pre invega or close too it?

 

[Sbar25]

I'm scared to go for walks I believe the cops can target me and lie and say I was jumping in front of traffic like they all ready did and have this nightmare happen all over again. I think I will stay home and in the car from now on

 

[awesome31311]

I'm scared to go for walks I believe the cops can target me and lie and say I was jumping in front of traffic like they all ready did and have this nightmare happen all over again. I think I will stay home and in the car from now on

I highly doubt the cops will recognize you. You can still go on walks, just don't let the cops turn a normal stop and spin it into something mental health related.

I got out of the hospital after 1 injection. What are the chances of the police targeting me in public? If they ask to talk to me is it guaranteed they could take me too the hospital?
After a year did you feel pre invega or close too it?

You don't have anything to fear if you never went to court. If the cops brought you into the hospital they will detain you and may ask mental health related questions after identifying you first. They won't just approach you and send you to the hospital just like that. They usually build grounds based on your responses to the questions, and the stops generally have good reasons behind them too. You have nothing to fear, just make sure you keep your paths short, the restless legs induced by invega can make people wander for miles away from home.

 

[Hopefuldopeful]

Yes, it has recovered to be quite strong. I cannot pinpoint the specific month. But since I'm a guy I do not think you would be able to draw a helpful equivalence. Regardless, I was able to have strong erections after about four months, and about a year later I dropped acid and was able to stay hard with my gf for about 40 minutes, so I'd say a year max. Sex drive is linked to multiple factors, including the weight gain and anhedonia. So your mental state of mind really matters.



You can make your partner understand by making them realize your issue is temporary, and you will recover. So, think of it like if someone was sick and incapacitated for a short while. I'm sure your partner would wait. If they don't wait, then they are not worth dating as they're shallow.



I used to ask the same question. They do go away. They will not go away overnight, it could be a couple of months. Most recover within a year. Invega has a long half life, up to 49 days. It takes around 5-6 half lives to eliminate a drug, meaning it could take 300 days. It doesn't mean it will take 300 days before feeling better. You should start feeling better sooner than that (about 3 months), but it'll take a while before you're yourself. There's the initial bad feeling which subsides even for people who legitimately and voluntarily take invega
and stay on it. Meaning eventually your mind starts to recover. It's important that you let it heal. Even once the drug has left your system, your receptors need to recover.

Also, the "disorderly conduct" charge is the most subjective one. People have been arrested for that even when they broke no law. Usually they look for something to charge you with so they can blackmail you into either a criminal charge or invega injection. I'm really sorry for this, but it's very important that if you want to get better, to not involve yourself into the politics of it all for your own mental health sake.

People who recover eventually leave this forum because they find life again, and also, because it's perfectly healthy to want to avoid the matter when it's not affecting you physically anymore.

How was your acid trip after Invega? My first one was fine kinda scary because of the environment but I showed no signs of psychosis after. Then I dropped again a week later was feeling really good on the acid, universe and all. Then I smoked weed at the peak and everything went to a panic attack. I felt like a demon possessed me and knowing this was a hallucination I linked that to my psychosis and decided to end the trip with seroquel and Xanax. Scared to do acid again, trying to stay away from weed. Currently high on weed rn and a bar of Xanax.

 

[Sbar25]

A car passed by me in the community I lived in and a guy got out of his car and told me" this is my hood" and got on the phone with the police and said that I jumped in front of his car then the police pulled me over with a mental health guy and they were asking me mental health questions. It was almost like a setup. They took me to the hospital based on a guy lying. I think we are passed the days of freedom of speech anyone can lie about you and the cops can hospitalize/jail you.

 

[Sbar25]

How was your acid trip after Invega? My first one was fine kinda scary because of the environment but I showed no signs of psychosis after. Then I dropped again a week later was feeling really good on the acid, universe and all. Then I smoked weed at the peak and everything went to a panic attack. I felt like a demon possessed me and knowing this was a hallucination I linked that to my psychosis and decided to end the trip with seroquel and Xanax. Scared to do acid again, trying to stay away from weed. Currently high on weed rn and a bar of Xanax.

Does weed give you a pleasant high?

 

[Hopefuldopeful]

Its a hit or miss. I always have the fear of potentially relapsing when I smoke so I don’t let myself enjoy the high. But sometimes it’s better than being bored. Smoking before psychosis was fun and it made me feel good for awhile then I got used to the high. Then during psychosis smoking was like taking acid again every time. Extreme and too much for my brain to handle. Now it’s more foggy but I can actually get high now. On Invega nothing really happened.

 

[Ghostv2314]

Because court is expensive for some.
If you are under no court ordered medication or treatment, and make sure you verify this, you can simply ignore all mails they send and don't give them any information. Even information posted publicly with a clear name that identifies you can be used against you. For example if you sent emails to your doctor and the police investigated you, they may look at your prior history and send you back to the hospital (even if you were perfectly healthy when you posted it). So, it's important you don't give them any information. They will try to contact your family. Tell your family to not tell the staff anything either. They're simply trying to build a case.

In most cases though, they don't really care to pursue if it's going to cost too much money and drop you from the program. If you've stopped since December and nobody's contacted you, you should be good provided you don't get detained by police again. From personal experience, even if police detain me for completely unrelated reasons, they'll still ask mental health act related questions. I tell them that really has nothing to do with the case.




I'm sorry man. I remember when I used to keep asking when I will notice improvement. I did see improvement in 3 months, but wasn't myself until about a year.

Are you able to feel alcohol now?

 

[awesome31311]

A car passed by me in the community I lived in and a guy got out of his car and told me" this is my hood" and got on the phone with the police and said that I jumped in front of his car then the police pulled me over with a mental health guy and they were asking me mental health questions. It was almost like a setup. They took me to the hospital based on a guy lying. I think we are passed the days of freedom of speech anyone can lie about you and the cops can hospitalize/jail you.

Yes, it's not just free speech that died with the mental health laws, but also habeas corpus. Under habeas corpus, if you're ever detained, you can challenge that detention by authorities by asking them for evidence before a court of law. Of course, in modern times, this supposedly applies to long term detentions like psychiatric holds, but not when it comes to driving checkpoints (Sorry Libertarians!)

Basically, you're supposed to have a rights advisor tell you you have the right to a hearing. You don't even have to give any information to the doctors, but beware, because they'll give you a real hard time for this, you may even be illegally restrained. However, if you are not easily intimidated, you can challenge their lack of evidence. I don't recommend it. Instead, just avoid letting it get to that stage altogether by refusing to give police the information they want to hear. If they ask anything that comes off as mental health related say "That's irrelevant". If they push, tell them you're not comfortable disclosing health information to them.

I think it's outrageous that they called the police on you, especially if they knew you'd get institutionalized. I have heard this happening way too many times before. Yes, they can take you to the hospital, but you don't have to give any information to either the cops or the hospital staff, until you're in court. That's when you should say that you were never at risk of harm, etc. Get a lawyer too if this becomes consistent.

Btw, 1st amendment protects your right to not say anything at all. Also, the Fifth Amendment has a due process clause stating that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

How was your acid trip after Invega? My first one was fine kinda scary because of the environment but I showed no signs of psychosis after. Then I dropped again a week later was feeling really good on the acid, universe and all. Then I smoked weed at the peak and everything went to a panic attack. I felt like a demon possessed me and knowing this was a hallucination I linked that to my psychosis and decided to end the trip with seroquel and Xanax. Scared to do acid again, trying to stay away from weed. Currently high on weed rn and a bar of Xanax.

When I kept trying acid within the first few months, I felt nothing. Eventually I did take a large amount and did feel "something", but barely. After a year, I took acid and had an amazing trip with my girlfriend, full of healing. It's important you interpret and analyze yourself, are the demons manifestations of your subconscious telling you you've been hurt? Etc.

Are you able to feel alcohol now?

I don't drink, but I don't see any reason why I would not feel alcohol. If I can feel acid, I can certainly feel alcohol.

 

[awesome31311]

Oh by the way guys, please make sure you're getting papers while in the hospital! Every other developed country, like Canada, lets their patients know what's going on. However, in America there's this procedure where so many don't even know why they're being detained.
You have the right to access to your own medical records! This includes an inventory of your belongings! You also don't have to sign your rights to sue on the basis of lost/stolen belongings away! Also, if you're asked to voluntarily sign for a stay but then threatened with a court order if you don't, you're not a voluntary patient. Get your paperwork! In other words, don't sign anything you haven't read!
Majority of psych patients don't even know you get to have a rights advisor.

Read more here: https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/Documents/DHCS_Handbook_English.pdf
Writ of habeas corpus, please read the top link before you read this: https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/AO_242_0.pdf

 

[Paula10]

How was your acid trip after Invega? My first one was fine kinda scary because of the environment but I showed no signs of psychosis after. Then I dropped again a week later was feeling really good on the acid, universe and all. Then I smoked weed at the peak and everything went to a panic attack. I felt like a demon possessed me and knowing this was a hallucination I linked that to my psychosis and decided to end the trip with seroquel and Xanax. Scared to do acid again, trying to stay away from weed. Currently high on weed rn and a bar of Xanax.

How the hell do you still do drugs? If I was my normal self I would be singing in the streets. Well if I could be recovered I would be so happy. I mean when you recovered didn’t you get so excited?? I mean didn’t you sing in your bedroom or something? I would kiss my kids and run for joy if I recovered.

 

[Paula10]

Omg, I tried calling my boyfriend and he won’t answer his phone or text. Omg this is bad. I can’t believe he’s not answering me. I’m going threw enough being this way on invega. Oh well I guess I keep reading the forums. I mean damn it I loved him. Invega destroys everything even the people you love. I’m really down right now. I need help

 

[Paula10]

Does anyone know how much medication is released each day? Is it 2 or 4 mg? Please I hope someone knows this. It’s a good question?

 

[sekio]

From the prescribing Info:
The recommended initiation of INVEGASUSTENNA® is with a dose of 234 mg on treatment day 1 and 156 mg one week later, both administered in the deltoid muscle. Following the second initiation dose, monthly maintenance doses can be administered in either the deltoid or gluteal muscle. The recommended maintenance dose for treatment of schizophrenia is 117 mg. Some patients may benefit from lower or higher maintenance doses within the additional available strengths (39 mg, 78 mg, 156 mg, and 234 mg).
[...]
The median apparent half-life of paliperidone following INVEGA SUSTENNA® single-dose administration over the dose range of 39 mg - 234 mg ranged from 25 days - 49 days.

these are doses of the palmitate ester, so "actual" doses of paliperidone are ~64% of the above figures. This works out to an initial dose of 150mg plus 100mg 1wk later, totaling 250mg paliperidone base. Maintenance dose works out to 75mg paliperidone base.

This works out to between 200-400 days to completely eliminate the 250mg initially given in the first 2 shots. You will likely feel better before that point though, this is a worst-case guess assuming 8 half lives (a reduction to 0.3% of the initial dose or about 1mg).

A gross simplification of the math then gives 0.6-1.2 mg being metabolized every day, assuming constant elimination. In reality, you will eliminate the paliperidone much faster initially, and as concentratioms fall so will the elimination rate.

 

[awesome31311]

Does anyone know exactly what chemicals are in an invega shot? Is there dangerous chemicals?? I have heard there is lots of fluoride and do you think invega destroys your pineal gland?

Well, invega is a legitimate form of medication for some patients with psychosis. It has helped my brother in the past, for example.
Fluoride does not "destroy" your pineal gland, based on current scientific literature. If your pineal gland is destroyed you will have brain damage, possibly death.
Invega is a dopamine antagonist, which is the property that causes most of its side effects. The problem comes with people being forced to take it without having the side effects explained to them. Otherwise, I'm sure they would have fewer lawsuits.

The sex drive is killed mostly due to its capacity to increase prolactin.

Omg, I tried calling my boyfriend and he won’t answer his phone or text. Omg this is bad. I can’t believe he’s not answering me. I’m going threw enough being this way on invega. Oh well I guess I keep reading the forums. I mean damn it I loved him. Invega destroys everything even the people you love. I’m really down right now. I need help

Yes, it's very bad. What's bad is that he is not communicating well with you. Unless something serious has happened on his end preventing him from messaging you, then I'm certain you deserve someone better. If he can't be there for you during your darkest time, then that's a learning experience.

But don't overthink it. He could just be busy.

 

[VeteransWife]

Sleep is way better now. Still have nightmares from time to time but doctors have claimed those are PTSD symptoms. I refused to take medications for them (because I could not afford them).
And it's not nearly as bad as it was last year. I'd say I'm 90-95% recovered.
For me, the hardest side effects were the akathisia and not being able to feel music, as well as lowered sex drive. All that is now fixed.
As for waking up, I can't wake up as early as 5 AM anymore, but I can still get up at 8 AM, because my circadian rhythms are still the same as they were while I was in the hospital (for about a month, lol).

Glad to see you're feeling much better!

 

[Ammarishot]

Guys there's no magical cure for healing on Invega. I think the best thing to try is to supplement yourself with the minerals and vitamins that psych drugs deplete.

 

[Fodium]

I cant think of much worse torture than being put on invega injections. The wait just seems to be so damn long. I'm eagerly anticipating the 6 month mark and trying my best to distract myself as much as possible to make the time pass by quicker.

 

[Hopefuldopeful]

Well, invega is a legitimate form of medication for some patients with psychosis. It has helped my brother in the past, for example.
Fluoride does not "destroy" your pineal gland, based on current scientific literature. If your pineal gland is destroyed you will have brain damage, possibly death.
Invega is a dopamine antagonist, which is the property that causes most of its side effects. The problem comes with people being forced to take it without having the side effects explained to them. Otherwise, I'm sure they would have fewer lawsuits.

The sex drive is killed mostly due to its capacity to increase prolactin.



Yes, it's very bad. What's bad is that he is not communicating well with you. Unless something serious has happened on his end preventing him from messaging you, then I'm certain you deserve someone better. If he can't be there for you during your darkest time, then that's a learning experience.

But don't overthink it. He could just be busy.

What was your psychosis story like? Delusions, paranoias, etc?