Mental Health Coming off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v3

[earwiggs]

I am one year and a half off.

I don't feel anymore: pleasure, feelings, emotions, lust, NOTHING.

I feel ok, my mind is clear, I can think, I can do anything normal people can do except the part above, I can't feel.

I tried watching my favorite football team but I didn't give a fuck... also I don't have hobbies anymore because they all were about dopamine.

I even forgot about how life was before chemical lobotomy, so yeah this is my new life and it sucks.

Hey I’m really sorry to hear your experiencing this, there are no words. A couple things came to mind. Have you tried doing something intense like jiujitsu (Gracie barra is free to try) or some high intensity sport? Have you heard of the ice man Wim Hof? Apparently he struggled with depression and came up with these coping mechanisms; deep breathing, ice baths, exercises. Maybe something intense but safe will kickstart you out of the numbness? Also, have you taken an interest in the gospel? Jesus said “Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”

That’s the best I can offer. Feeling came back for me right away and then more intensely later, I’m dealing with physical problems mostly.

 

[Majeed]

There are many reasons why you guys think SJW is not working. First of all lets start with that you wont be able to observe or notice anything since invega is still in your system, nothing would work SSRI ...etc, all what you're given is not gonna change a thing since your most of your brain receptors are blocked. second, in Invega website themself it states that while using SJW you will be needing to increase the dosage of invega, meaning that it actually helps removing it from your system. Third and last most of SJW products in the market are absolutely dirt weight is what you buying, i have sited some links previously supporting the argument.


"https://www.cbsnews.com/news/herbal-supplements-targeted-by-new-york-attorney-general/"
"https://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/stjohns-wort-supplements-fail-tests/2016/10/18/id/754044/"


For the American market you would need to get the Perika brand, 10$ a bottle delivered to your door (6mg hyperforin) "I have mentioned that previously".

For people in Europe dont look further than Neuroplant, which contain the highest hyperforin percentage in the market (12mg hyperforin) for the 300 mg, and (24mg hyperforin) for the 600.

"https://www.researchgate.net/public...ing_to_Hyperforin_and_Total_Hypericin_Content"


also keep in mind, you would need to use a lot of it, 3 pills a day wont cut it.

 

[PhucInvega]

You like to speak very scientific, and that probably works real good for yourself to convince your own self... St Johns Fart will definitely work for you since you are such a fart believer. That's how placebos work...

Bro to be honest, I haven't even tried SJW, I'm just trying to give people some knowledge that there are ways to speed up the detoxifying process, and I also told why it's possible with SJW. But since you can say this, I assume you have tried various SJW products because their potencies vary a lot, so trying 1 product for three days will most likely do nothing for you.

Why are you suggesting blasting dat skunk when you know how it impacts your cognitive abilities and we are not the type of people that need that. Just google "reddit weed memory". Many report that their social life, anxiety, and depression all get better when quit smoking. They become less reserved, more like their true self. Because of weed social skills decline as many can't articulate properly, don’t feel sharp when talking, feel anxious and awkward in conversations, also tend to reminisce a lot about past interactions.

The thing is, the breeders these days only focus on getting THC levels up, and they forget about CBD, and that is turning the plant to more of a drug than a medicine, which it actually is. If you smoke weed with THC:CBD ratio at 40:1, of course it will slow you down mentally, and physically. THC slows down the neurosignaling between the right and the left hemispheres of the brain. But you can prevent this by using weed which has a "correct" THC:CBD ratio, such as 2:1 or 1:1. The high itself will be much more cleaner and you will feel less foggy and your thoughts will remain clear. CBD clears all the "negative" psychoactive effects which THC might get you, such as paranoia, anxiety, etc. and brings out the best in both, since they work synergistically.
I've been smoking THC-dominant strains for years and I can confirm that your statement about this is true that it slows you down. But I've also smoked weed with high amounts of CBD in it, and I can tell you that that's the way to go. By removing CBD from the strains they become drugs, but by keeping the CBD levels high, it stays medicine.

All this talk about skunk and farts remove foreign smells out of your system is just talk. It does nothing at all that a person can physically notice.

Well I have physically noticed that the shit ain't affecting me anymore after being 8 months off. In any way. I can feel cigs, weed, beer, coffee etc just like I did pre-invega. I get goosebumps from music and I'm in love with music again, and Invega destroyed that love for a good 6 months. I'm feeling happy, loving life again. Yet some people say that they're still struggling after over a year off the shots. But I'm sure that weed has nothing to do with that. And it's not just talk, I posted 2 scientific studies stating the same things that I'm talking about. You're the one denying the truth and talking about skunk farts.

If you suggest something suggest real stuff that works real well and you feel it strong and fast.

Why don't you do this for us since you seem to have better ideas. Maybe catch a skunk and let it spray on your face? According to reddit, that might actually work.

 

[PhucInvega]

You might later regret making that call. It takes a month of side effects before SSRIs starts working and then you will have other side effects such as hair loss. Some say Wellbutrin is just about a week or two but for others it takes 6 weeks. Tapering off will cause long time of depression and withdrawals. It can mess with your brain in many ways. When you quit it can make anxiety go through the roof. You can feel like being electrocuted. This sensation is making it so you can't fall asleep either and pot would just make you feel worst. You can end up in hospital, how's that for relief? SSRI bottles used to have warning label saying warning may cause suicide. The reason is that your brain can withdraw so bad that you will end up with a major depression making you kill yourself. Even if you live, nobody can restore your brain to prior to SSRIs. Prep to rename your user to ssriskillsme. Just like Invega you can be cognitively impaired and remain with depression that will seem like permanent damage.

Wellbutrin isn't an SSRI and it works way differently than TCA's or SSRI's do and it has a unique mechanism of action. It inhibits dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake and it also acts as a releasing agent of dopamine and norepinephrine. Bupropion is a cathinone derivative so it's a stimulant. I took Wellbutrin for like 4-5 months and it really helped with the side effects of invega, because most of them are caused by the dopamine "deficiency" that invega causes. When you have more 'free' dopamine around, thanks to bupropion, more dopamine will find it's way to the receptors and alleviate the side effects. I never got any side effects from Wellbutrin and I've been tapering off it now. I took 300 mgs everyday for 4 months and currently I'm taking 150 mgs every 3 days and I'm gonna quit after the pack runs out. No withdrawals or anything yet. Bupropion made me horny as hell though. And much more active.

 

[Majeed]

It is really odd that no one caught this, prob cause everyone is all dopped up. Invega (paliperidone) is not mainly metabolized by P450 enzymes rather renally excreted.

" Biotransformation of the drug occurred through oxidative N-dealkylation (formation of the acid metabolite M1), monohydroxylation of the alicyclic ring (M9), alcohol dehydrogenation (formation of the ketone metabolite M12), and benzisoxazole scission (formation of M11), the latter in combination with glucuronidation (M16) or alicyclic hydroxylation (M10). Unchanged drug, M1, M9, M12, and M16 were detected in urine; M10 and M11 were detected in feces"

" In conclusion, paliperidone is not metabolized extensively and is primarily renally excreted."

source "http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/content/36/4/769"

drink lots of water ? if anyone has knowledge of what written above ?

I would really appreciate it if anyone can help

 

[CanadianScott]

I am one year and a half off.

I don't feel anymore: pleasure, feelings, emotions, lust, NOTHING.

I feel ok, my mind is clear, I can think, I can do anything normal people can do except the part above, I can't feel.

I tried watching my favorite football team but I didn't give a fuck... also I don't have hobbies anymore because they all were about dopamine.

I even forgot about how life was before chemical lobotomy, so yeah this is my new life and it sucks.

How many shots?

 

[Hopeful29]

Hi folks,

So I have a question for all those ‘in the know’ (ideally those who have already recovered or almost recovered from invega). I’m four months off almost from 2 shots, I had been feeling a hell of a lot better, clear headed, lots more thoughts, emotions and libido returning etc. Until a few days ago when all of a sudden it felt like a massive wave of the medication hit again, it’s very strange as this is the first time this has happened, before this I had been following quite a steady recovery trajectory/incline as the drug had been slowly leaving my system. Know I’m starting to feel as exhausted and foggy as I did about 2-3months off again, and I don’t have a clue what’s going on. I have lost a little bit of weight so could this be fat stored invega entering my system? Is it possible for invega to still be releasing itself into my body even four months off? Can I expect this to happen every time I start to feel better? Is this part of the windows and waves theory people have been previously talking of? And if so, how long have the waves lasted for those who have experienced them?

Thanks in advance, any information would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

Hopeful

 

[earwiggs]

Hi folks,

So I have a question for all those ‘in the know’ (ideally those who have already recovered or almost recovered from invega). I’m four months off almost from 2 shots, I had been feeling a hell of a lot better, clear headed, lots more thoughts, emotions and libido returning etc. Until a few days ago when all of a sudden it felt like a massive wave of the medication hit again, it’s very strange as this is the first time this has happened, before this I had been following quite a steady recovery trajectory/incline as the drug had been slowly leaving my system. Know I’m starting to feel as exhausted and foggy as I did about 2-3months off again, and I don’t have a clue what’s going on. I have lost a little bit of weight so could this be fat stored invega entering my system? Is it possible for invega to still be releasing itself into my body even four months off? Can I expect this to happen every time I start to feel better? Is this part of the windows and waves theory people have been previously talking of? And if so, how long have the waves lasted for those who have experienced them?

Thanks in advance, any information would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

Hopeful

I’m going through this right now. About 4 months off loading dose + 3 shots of 75mg and my energy has just recently plummeted again. Has been this way for about 1.5 weeks. I was exercising everyday and now I’m fatigued and struggling to exercise every 3-4 days. Sleeping 3-5 hours a night. I also feel the urge to urinate almost all the time instead of previously 1-2 hour window, this really affects sleep. Anxiety at times about my back and hips which is very stiff. Considering trying CBD oil to help with sleep. Emotions and libido is there and has been ever since 1 month off, memory is not great.

 

[Hopeful29]

I’m going through this right now. About 4 months off loading dose + 3 shots of 75mg and my energy has just recently plummeted again. Has been this way for about 1.5 weeks. I was exercising everyday and now I’m fatigued and struggling to exercise every 3-4 days. Sleeping 3-5 hours a night. I also feel the urge to urinate almost all the time instead of previously 1-2 hour window, this really affects sleep. Anxiety at times about my back and hips which is very stiff. Considering trying CBD oil to help with sleep. Emotions and libido is there and has been ever since 1 month off, memory is not great.

It’s funny you say this recent wave has caused you insomnia and anxiety, because since my wave just started I’ve felt a lot more tired with less thoughts (cognitive slowness) and emotions, which has actually led to much better sleep as I’m so tired all day and practically falling asleep anyway. By the time it gets to bedtime I can barely keep my eyes open. Whereas before this wave I was much more alert, awake and cognitively sharp with more imagination and emotions, but was experiencing very severe physiological anxiety symptoms and insomnia. My theory is that this was due to withdrawal from the drug starting to taper off naturally. But now I’m on a wave it’s stopped :/ I’m not sure which I prefer, but I think I’d take the clearheadedness and anxiety over feeling doped up for sure. I’m sorry your wave is lasting so long, is this the first one you’ve had?

Has anyone else experienced this wave phenomenon or the drug rereleasing itself and if so how frequently, and for how long?

Thanks as always

Hopeful

 

[earwiggs]

It’s funny you say this recent wave has caused you insomnia and anxiety, because since my wave just started I’ve felt a lot more tired with less thoughts (cognitive slowness) and emotions, which has actually led to much better sleep as I’m so tired all day and practically falling asleep anyway. By the time it gets to bedtime I can barely keep my eyes open. Whereas before this wave I was much more alert, awake and cognitively sharp with more imagination and emotions, but was experiencing very severe physiological anxiety symptoms and insomnia. My theory is that this was due to withdrawal from the drug starting to taper off naturally. But now I’m on a wave it’s stopped :/ I’m not sure which I prefer, but I think I’d take the clearheadedness and anxiety over feeling doped up for sure. I’m sorry your wave is lasting so long, is this the first one you’ve had?

Has anyone else experienced this wave phenomenon or the drug rereleasing itself and if so how frequently, and for how long?

Thanks as always

Hopeful

I’m sorry to hear what your going through as well. I’ve always overcome all my difficulties and this is the first time in my life I don’t know what to do. Exercise, praying, fasting, nothing seems to improve the side effects. Seems like it’s a waiting/enduring matter. It’s been really tough.

To answer your question this would be the first wave.

 

[Hopeful29]

I’m sorry to hear what your going through as well. I’ve always overcome all my difficulties and this is the first time in my life I don’t know what to do. Exercise, praying, fasting, nothing seems to improve the side effects. Seems like it’s a waiting/enduring matter. It’s been really tough.

To answer your question this would be the first wave.

I know the feeling. I’m pretty resilient too and have been through some pretty tough times, but this really takes the biscuit. It’s like the ultimate challenge. I find recently telling myself that I’m just ill for a prolonged period of time has helped. Like imagine you have a really serious flu or something and are almost bedbound for a month, not really able to do much of the things you usually enjoy. It does bring a bit of peace and reassurance. I think you’re right, I think it really is a waiting game. It helps to tell yourself that it’ll eventually be over, and look at times like Christmas as milestones for when you’ll be feeling better.

Honestly it’s a real struggle, even for the toughest of us. I feel like after all this is over, there will literally be nothing ever again that I cannot handle. ?

 

[Kaatrina]

Hi folks,

So I have a question for all those ‘in the know’ (ideally those who have already recovered or almost recovered from invega). I’m four months off almost from 2 shots, I had been feeling a hell of a lot better, clear headed, lots more thoughts, emotions and libido returning etc. Until a few days ago when all of a sudden it felt like a massive wave of the medication hit again, it’s very strange as this is the first time this has happened, before this I had been following quite a steady recovery trajectory/incline as the drug had been slowly leaving my system. Know I’m starting to feel as exhausted and foggy as I did about 2-3months off again, and I don’t have a clue what’s going on. I have lost a little bit of weight so could this be fat stored invega entering my system? Is it possible for invega to still be releasing itself into my body even four months off? Can I expect this to happen every time I start to feel better? Is this part of the windows and waves theory people have been previously talking of? And if so, how long have the waves lasted for those who have experienced them?

Thanks in advance, any information would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

Hopeful

For the first few months it does feel like a two step forward one step back game.

Right now I'm at right months and though I still am carrying some effects of invega it doesn't hit me in any overwhelming ways anymore.

You feel like total crap until about month six and then the doses get smaller and less pronounced, and it's only upward from there.

This has been my experience.

Starting month nine I'm starting to feel really good. I wrote some papers and was able to achieve my old speed and use of vocabulary. I'm taking care of myself and feel good about myself and like I'm worth something again. I can think of things in conversation and things have meaning again. I can get really interested in things and find things funny. I can ready books again. TMI for some but important for others, my period is back and almost regular, I can feel desire and get tangible dopamine hits during intimacy again.

I'd say I'm at 85% recovered.

I am not on any medication. I am still pretty convinced that those who aren't recovering are on some form of medication that prevents them from returning to baseline.

 

[Hopeful29]

For the first few months it does feel like a two step forward one step back game.

Right now I'm at right months and though I still am carrying some effects of invega it doesn't hit me in any overwhelming ways anymore.

You feel like total crap until about month six and then the doses get smaller and less pronounced, and it's only upward from there.

This has been my experience.

Starting month nine I'm starting to feel really good. I wrote some papers and was able to achieve my old speed and use of vocabulary. I'm taking care of myself and feel good about myself and like I'm worth something again. I can think of things in conversation and things have meaning again. I can get really interested in things and find things funny. I can ready books again. TMI for some but important for others, my period is back and almost regular, I can feel desire and get tangible dopamine hits during intimacy again.

I'd say I'm at 85% recovered.

I am not on any medication. I am still pretty convinced that those who aren't recovering are on some form of medication that prevents them from returning to baseline.

Thanks for your input Kaatrina. Glad to hear you’ve made it through the worst and are starting to feel human again. My periods have been there pretty much since the start, but that’s the only thing that’s been regular. I did have one freak day about a month ago when I felt absolutely amazing and on top of the world, I literally felt like I was on some kind of drug and had laughing fits. I have no idea how that was possible but it felt like my brain was full of dopamine. It only lasted about a day though but it did give me hope. Although last week I did manage to go out and got completely drunk, laughed til I cried enjoyed the music and generally had a great time. I was very surprised because up until then I hadn’t been able to get drunk. I’m not sure if this still stands though after this new wave, I hope so :/

You say from month six the doses get smaller and less pronounced, so did you have a similar experience then of the drug rereleasing into your systems at intervals? Did it happen every time you started to feel better? And did these waves last very long? Also, did you suffer withdrawal symptoms during the weaning off phases such as deep anxiety? Sorry for the inundation of questions, but it’s very valuable information

Also with regards to the dopamine, do you get dopamine hits from other areas of your life, from other enjoyable activities?

And you say that you still feel some small effects of invega, what are they if you don’t mind me asking?

Thanks in advance!

 

[earwiggs]

I’m still trying to find someone who has or had back or side tightness? Or even tightness of the joints? When did it improve?

 

[Kaatrina]

Thanks for your input Kaatrina. Glad to hear you’ve made it through the worst and are starting to feel human again. My periods have been there pretty much since the start, but that’s the only thing that’s been regular. I did have one freak day about a month ago when I felt absolutely amazing and on top of the world, I literally felt like I was on some kind of drug and had laughing fits. I have no idea how that was possible but it felt like my brain was full of dopamine. It only lasted about a day though but it did give me hope. Although last week I did manage to go out and got completely drunk, laughed til I cried enjoyed the music and generally had a great time. I was very surprised because up until then I hadn’t been able to get drunk. I’m not sure if this still stands though after this new wave, I hope so :/

You say from month six the doses get smaller and less pronounced, so did you have a similar experience then of the drug rereleasing into your systems at intervals? Did it happen every time you started to feel better? And did these waves last very long? Also, did you suffer withdrawal symptoms during the weaning off phases such as deep anxiety? Sorry for the inundation of questions, but it’s very valuable information

Also with regards to the dopamine, do you get dopamine hits from other areas of your life, from other enjoyable activities?

And you say that you still feel some small effects of invega, what are they if you don’t mind me asking?

Thanks in advance!

As far as experiencing the drug in intervals, it's kind of become a blur at this point , but yes. In the 3rd fourth and fifth month I would sometimes start to feel normal, or at least functional, but then I would get hit by what felt like releases of invega, where again things would be meaningless and no feelings would be good. I agree with the "wave" description.

I don't think I had withdrawal symptoms. I had deep anxiety from the first month I got on invega. It's like all the coping mechanisms I had to deal with stress, anything that made me feel good, didn't work anymore. Another user has said that invega shuts down the "hope" ability in the brain. I agree with that, I had no ability to hope nor ability to imagine good outcomes to my problems.

Yes I do get dopamine hits now, even from doing chores. I can get adrenaline rushes too. I can't say for sure if they're as strong as before invega. 8nvega gets you used to having nothing, so when you finally do get something, it feels like a lot. I feel like that's a reason why it's so hard for us to define recovery.

The effects I'm still feeling from invega . My childhood memories feel dull and washed over. I have a lack of heightened "special feelings" that I used to have from things that I lived or things that I felt defined me, like certain music or video games. Its come back a little recently, but it's still dull. Then again, those heightened feelings may have contributed to my psychosis. I feel like I do have to change in order to make sure I am sane. Overall I just feel a bit jaded, a bit less able to feel. It is a lot easier to not care about certain things I think this is more a result of having been through this psychological trauma than any permanent chemical changes from invega. I think it just makes you grow up a lot, when you realise that everything you felt was magic and special identity before was nothing more than brain reactions that can be taken away from you. I don't feel special when I pray anymore. I force myself to believe in God instead of having a spiritual "feeling" like I used to. My metabolism still isn't where it used to be, but I'm 31 so that may be part of it. And like I mentioned before, my clit is like 40% numb. That one still throws me for a loop . These are the lingering effects that I feel I will not be able to recover from.

Before I would have felt despair, but at this point I've learned to accept it. I can still be happy and fulfilled, I just have to change what's important to me, I guess.

 

[Antipsychotique33]

You experience window of emotions Katrina?

 

[Kaatrina]

You experience window of emotions Katrina?

I do, I can look at my kids and think how happy I am to be around them, something they do can make me feel I love them, I can think about how maybe I said the wrong thing and feel guilty, I can feel lonely, I can feel good after a hug, I can feel concern for people. All these things before I would have just felt nothing at all. And not care. Someone called themselves "the coldest motherfucker on the planet" and that is how invega makes you feel. 'm still not all the way back yet but I'm definitely feeling some emotions now. Starting 9 months off.

 

[Antipsychotique33]

I'm so happy for you girl

 

[PainINtheHOLE]

[CITAÇÃO = "Kaatrina, post: 14625234, membro: 521126"]
Eu sei, posso olhar para os meus filhos e pensar como estou feliz por estar perto deles, algo que eles podem me fazer sentir como eu os amo, posso pensar em como talvez eu já tenha dito algo errado e sinto culpa, posso me sentir-se sozinho, posso sentir-me bem depois de um abraço, posso sentir-me preocupado pelas pessoas. Todas essas coisas antes de eu não ter nenhum sentido. E não me importo. Alguém se intitula "o filho da puta mais fria do planeta" e é assim que a pessoa faz sentir. Ainda não estou voltando, mas definitivamente
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[CITAÇÃO = "Kaatrina, post: 14625234, membro: 521126"]
Eu sei, posso olhar para os meus filhos e pensar em como estou feliz por estar perto deles, algo que eles podem me fazer sentir que eu os amo, posso pensar em como talvez eu tenha dito a coisa errada e me sinto culpado, posso me sentir sozinho , Posso me sentir bem depois de um abraço, posso sentir preocupação pelas pessoas. Todas essas coisas antes eu não teria sentido nada. E não me importo. Alguém se intitulou "o filho da puta mais frio do planeta" e é assim que a invega faz você se sentir. Ainda não estou voltando, mas definitivamente estou sentindo algumas emoções agora. A partir de 9 meses.
[/CITAR]

I do, I can look at my kids and think how happy I am to be around them, something they do can make me feel I love them, I can think about how maybe I said the wrong thing and feel guilty, I can feel lonely, I can feel good after a hug, I can feel concern for people. All these things before I would have just felt nothing at all. And not care. Someone called themselves "the coldest motherfucker on the planet" and that is how invega makes you feel. 'm still not all the way back yet but I'm definitely feeling some emotions now. Starting 9 months off.

hello.. you are rock no one will broke you... im 9 months off too... i take 17 shoots... Im better , it comes better very slowly... We cant do nothing with our experiennce but insteed we have a experience to help our children or people in that situation... There nothing external who helps in this situation only the time helps and if se stop the medication... I just say to people who are in that to dont force the body to much when pass throw this threatment he nerds to stay calm and dont mascarate the problemas with other meds... The body turns normal and they never took ouro youth away again

 

[lifeline]

Hello, I’m trying Wellbutrin I’m on my second day I don’t really feel a difference yet. I’m gonna wait it out.