Mental Health Coming Off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v.2

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@yeshuah When i was on risperidone it was hell, laying in bed all day not showering and just be on my laptop all the time, not going anywhere and just feeling like shit always. But ya i made a full recovery. When i say full recovery i mean FULL recovery, it felt like the risperidone thing was just a bad dream and it was hard for me to believe such a thing really existed. So if i recovered once, why not a second time. I remember the recovery was gradual, i think i kind of just started doing more things on my own even though i still felt like shit, since i got used to feeling like shit all the time and just accepted my faith and figured i mind as well just try even its kind of shit. Then one day i just realizied i recovered a 100%.
Thanks man, that gives me a lot of hope. I kind of know what you mean by saying that you thought it was just a bad dream. Bc there are symptoms that have left for me like the akathisia (restlessness) and anxiety/panic attacks that I had the first 1-2 months and looking back it's very hard to relate to that. It's like it wasn't real, bc it was chemically induced and no natural condition. That's why it is so hard for other ppl to relate to our condition. I am now in that state where I lay in bed most of the time, not being able to really take care of myself and wasting the time of my life every day staying in front of the laptop or phone and watching yt videos or playing UNO online, which is kind of fun, it's the only thing that distracts me for now. I also kind of got used to feeling like shit, but I'll never accept that as a life sentence. But it's better than trying to fight it every single day, which made things worse in the beginning. Last month I went outside to walk almost every day for a few minutes. I haven't gone outside for a month now, but I think I'll start that again bc I soon want to go out and smoke weed, which was my motivation and it is known to repair the brain. I found a good CBD oil, I'm waiting for it to be available online, bc they have run out of it. I will start by smoking that with a vaporizor and then switch to THC again. Vaping is said to be much healthier and prevents you from many diseases and protects the brain and body. Even if I don't see improvements immidiately or if it doesn't feel good in the beginning, I will keep doing it, because it's how I recovered in the past from a bad reaction to a street drug I used once in my life, just to have the experience. The weed healed my brain so well, I didn't even know that I had problems before, like for real I had a genious mind and I wanna go back to that place. Somewhere inside of me, I have hope, but the feeling is missing. But somehow I know I will get there in time. I have to, there's no other way for me. Thanks again for giving me hope.
 
Emersonny, what happened was you got better over time and misattributed it to whatever supplement you were using by coincidence

The thing with invega recovery is that big changes can come either very suddenly or not at all

Day 33/90

I am now coming back to my former self, I sing to myself, can listen to some music though it's not the same, and even watch a movie. Watched mad max fury road with my brother and understood the film and its themes really well. It was about redemption so I could kind of relate to the suicidal bald characters role. There has always got to be a fight in you till the very end.

Mentally, I feel like recovery has been a lot faster than the ohysical. I am able to study again, not 100% though. I can read books too.

Physically my recovery has been slower. It is almost impossible to maintain an erection even though it previously was so easy to. Have not sweated at all since my shot even when working out at the gym for like five minutes. Still get lethargic and dizzy when standing up in the morning and can't go by the day without a mid day nap.
 
I will never able to feel all the feelings, not even in a dream. Only music sounds sometimes in the evening emotionally. I can feel worry and sadness sometimes. And watching TV is better. But is it possible that the brain-tissue has made it Impossible to feel deep and vivid?I had a bad dream once last week.
 
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i am not able to feel the feelings i use to yet, not even in my dreams. Only music sometimes in the evening moves through me and makes me feel good like we all want. I can feel worry and sadness sometimes which is better than not feeling at all but i can't wait to feel mostly good again. And watching TV is better. But is it possible that the brain-tissue will make itself better so i can feel deep and vivid again? i had a bad dream once last week, it's better than not dreaming at all but i would like good dreams to happen again.

ftfy (fixed that for you)

hang in there rosi. it will get better.
 
I just ordered a vaporizer pen and some tasty lemon haze wax. I will let you know how that works for me. The next thing after that is the CBD full spectrum oil. I'm still waiting for it to be available. Has anyone had experience with vaping hemp wax during this? If so, pls let me know. Cannabis has always helped me throughout my life. I'm hopeful it will help me again. It is known to repair the brain.
 
@zack365: sorry dude, i don't play games online otherwise i would hit you up and get some game mode on. how is it online?

how was the plane ride?

@lexman53: it's good the insomnia is gone now, deep rest will help speed up the rest of the recovery. it's natural to be scared going through what you are and even though they are negative feelings and emotions it's a good sign that you are fighting off what is happening and wont be going through this forever; also a good sign your true emotions are dormant but trying to fight to the surface. it will end eventually so that's a plus. wellbutrin has worked for a few in the past to aid in the healing process, how long have you been on it?

@CurtisO: haha, i understand. i don't like how even on the net i have to use some sort of word(s) to identify myself, hence the name invegauser. it's just generic and something to get the account up and rolling. might change it later, who knows. that's good your pushing yourself to read and taking it within limits. yes, it's injected into fat and muscle to slowly breakdown and distribute through your blood stream to your brain slowly over time. others swear by using heat like hot tubs or saunas to help break it down faster. idk if it does but educated guess, lil if at all. let us know how the heating pad works out in the breakdown process. at least the sites were alternating. my first few hurt more than they should too but that's the poison working on our body (pain factor), things hurt so much more on the poison for me than not on it, even though i was numb. it was weird.

@Gdvffh: i remember you from 2016 too. i am healed. what i'm dealing with now is atrophy from the poison. 2 years pills, 10 months injections and 5.5 years healing = 8.5 years of me being not me, just breaking up routines and behaviors set for the last 8+ years is all. it's taken it's toll but like i posted month or two ago, i'm half way done with the atrophy. i'm just posting here until my internet runs out trying to help you guys out with proper info among other things while i can.

great recent post btw ;)

@Johnnypupuke: "parents just don't understand." will smith

@awesome31311: last injection was 6/6/13 fully healed on 10/20/18

@Neuroleptique33: today is 1 month and two weeks without the poison. that is a good place to be. you will get there.

we can't talk about killing, especially shrinks here. i know your just venting and relating but we have to do it in healthier ways. this site is under scrutiny of law quiet a bit and one way we show our appreciation for letting us use the thread is by respecting this rule. make sense?

sense of smell is tied in to the strongest of the memories when in regards to senses. smelling emotions? idk. but i know why schizo affective is kinda close for me as a diagnosis (kinda where science got me right in one way). schizos actually tie in a lot of memory to smells, i have a lot of other memories tied in with my other senses too but smell most of all. so maybe when you have an emotion your smell registers with your brain to make the memory and that's what your connecting it as in your mind.

@Empty1128: good question. no one really knows. science tells us we don't experience emotions in our heart but in our brain even though they have recently proven there are fibers in the heart that are similar in function to the fibers in the head that relay thought and emotion signals. i was always of the belief there is a distinction between emotions and feelings. they are separate but some are the same, some work together and some are very much apart from the other. i also believe our bodies, brains, soul and heart feel something independently of each other, work well in echoing emotions/feelings between them and also take up some of the load when emotions/feelings are too much for one part or another. what do you think?

@Johnnyhalo: good to hear, thanks for checking in with us. even better your only having to fight off the invega. oregon huh? we had two people here in the past from there, you ever meet up with anyone from there on the poison?

@Emersonny: well said, something must be working right. just to clarify how long have you been taking the cerebrolysin? btw don't go getting so smart we can't understand you or anything. leave us pleebs in the dust and all that. XD

@gemranbackyard: all senses get dulled while on the poison, even the 6th. your not the first one. i really didn't like it cause i use all 5 (6) quiet a bit to enjoy this experience we call life.

@Invegasucksx: that is what most people say when they talk about lack of motivation and focus. like you really can't do or get into anything. your only 7 months out, give it a couple more months and that first window is going to knock you on your butt.

@Yeshuah: i go back a few pages and respond to people's posts and questions so i might've lost you. Nvegasux posted about being spiritual conduits and you replied (post 7270) i was just connecting with you on the light. my two cents kinda thing. spirtual and physical light i have spoken of many times in this thread and i was refering to spiritual.

fancy vaporizer you ordered there. post up and let us know what your experience is like please?
 
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@invegauser: haha no problem. It would have been nice to level up on Red dead 2 with you. Lately I played rdr 2, battlefield 5 and gta 5. All of them are super enjoyable. Especially gta 5, kind of old but gold. I bought the ps4 slim, before I played on xbox 360. I can't wait for the next gen ps5 (hopefully released in 2020). If I am hired for the job I am applying for, I intend to buy a 4k TV. I can't help it, I love gaming.

The plane ride was nice, only 1 hour in the sky. I guess France is just not as big as the US which is sometimes convenient.
 
@awesome31311 I appreciate the skepticism. It's always good to avoid getting your hopes up to the point that you don't examine and verify the evidence. My anecdote was for the people who have been reading about Cerebrolysin since @Josh Handel brought it up and better explained it. I haven't done this in a while, but let me give an argument for why Cerebrolysin is a strong candidate for improving the cognitive issues associated with Invega Sustenna. The idea is that while levels of Invega Sustenna get lower and lower in the months following the injections, brain function does not immediately return to the functioning that would normally correspond to the amount of paliperidone in your body had you just started taking that dose in pills. According to one study, at 6 mg of Risperidone per day, 75-80% of D2 receptors were blocked. Most people start with around 400 mg of paliperidone, and who knows? That's 400/30=13.33333 mg per day? There's that bullshit they tell you about "getting up to a therapeutic dose," which doesn't make any sense if originally you were prescribed 1.5 mg a day of Risperidone. Anyway, the dose seems to be well above 6 mg a day, and 75-80% is then a lower bound for the proportion of receptors deactivated. Adderall has very little effect. Weed and alcohol don't work. Etc, etc. Dopamine agonists are no good, or have a very minimal effect. Once they do have an effect, you start to run the risk of triggering psychosis with the dopamine agonist.

I was not able to find very much info about how often new dopamine receptors are synthesized, but it makes sense that at the very least, new receptors are synthesized when new brain cells are created. Cerebrolysin contains brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF), glial cell line-derived neurotrophic factor (GDNF), nerve growth factor (NGF), and ciliary neurotrophic factor (CNF). All of these are neurotrophins, or peptides which stimulate and control neurogenesis as well as protect and repair existing brain cells (which is why I'm taking it before the poison is out of my system.) The safety and efficacy of Cerebrolysin have been studied in dementia, ischaemic stroke, diabetic neuropathy, traumatic brain injury, schizophrenia, and others. The improvements are almost always significant as far as I have seen, and the side effects are comparable to those of placebo. Schizophrenia is in part a neurodegenerative and neurodevelopmental illness, so Cerebrolysin would end up helping with the issues related to both paliperidone and schizophrenia. Feel free to browse some of the evidence of Cerebrolysin's effects: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...e+cognitive+repair&hl=en&as_sdt=0,45&as_vis=1

In the nootropics community, there are many anecdotal accounts of the improvements experienced on Cerebrolysin. In this community, precautions are taken to avoid the placebo effect. The aspects of cognition that improve are generally mental clarity, mental flexibility, verbal fluency, and memory, which are all things which have been painfully lacking between the time I was injected with paliperidone and when the Cerbrolysin started to kick in. Admittedly, not everyone experiences an effect from it, but it seems like the majority of nootropics users find it to be one of the most powerful cognitive enhancers they've used. It has fewer, if any, issues with tolerance than receptor agonists, since it is restoring balance to the brain by creating new virgin brain cells. It also has sustained effects rather than a withdrawal.

I'm not 100% myself yet. I still am pretty bad at philosophizing and creativity. But I am immensely relieved that I no longer struggle with simple math problems, and I can speed right through them as I could before. I'd been doing math nearly every day for a while, and it was always the same depressing thing, feeling like I'm in a small room filled with cobwebs and taking 7 minutes to do a problem that should take me 40 seconds. This was like a night and day difference on that one thing. Whatever it was, I am glad that I am no longer waiting to have one of my most cherished abilities back. I'm glad that I no longer am in such an unnatural feeling mental state. But I feel fairly certain that the Cerebrolysin had something to do with it, since I've made more progress in the past two weeks than I had in 3 months. I am also not at a typical time for people to suddenly start feeling better.

@invegauser I was using 10 ml every other day for 8 days, and then I skipped 3-4 days and used a 5th 10 ml bottle thingy (called an ampoule, new word for me). That 5th ampoule was when I really started to feel better. That was 3 days ago, and I'm still happy with the effects, although they are not as intense. I'm waiting for my second box currently. I'd like to hear about you trying Cerebrolysin since I think it would be great if you felt even better than before the poison, and Cerebrolysin helps you to get in the mood to start learning, improving and doing stuff with your life. So, maybe it would help with your atrophy. A lot of people said that they started to make a lot of well-thought out major life decisions after using Cerebrolysin.

@neuroleptique33 My emotions are coming back. They are at an okay intensity for me right now. I don't feel mind-numbingly bored anymore.
 
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How long has it taken? How did that happen? At the beginning you can think or you have no thoughts like me and as you step back to your system of thinking and your emotional
 
Every new year, I usually start my year with a trip, or a journey. I believe that having an inner experience is a God given right. On day 19, I tried ergine using the strongest and most intense consumption method possible (fasted + chewed hawaiian baby woodrose seeds + absorbed them in the mouth + swallowed the seed matter). I did "trip", but saw no visuals, no mood lift, no introspection, only sedation, lethargy, and nausea.

However, hwbr seeds are known for their aphrodisiac effect, and I hypothesize they should counter the effects of the prolactin from the invega. I was very different on day 19. I can visualize in my head, although not very clearly.

My plan is to dose again using a different consumption method.

The plan is to ground some seeds using my blender, before putting distilled water in the powder that forms, and some 100% lemon juice and a clove of fresh garlic in a bowl. Later, I'll refrigerate this mix with an aluminum foil over the bowl. After about eight hours, I'll filter the bowl's contents into a cup and consume.

I am not expecting a "normal" journey, this is only being done out of curiosity and a desire to experiment on the varying nature of the trip over time.

I first dosed at day 19 since my last shot. My next dose will be attempted at around day 40. After that, I'll dose during spring break (day 90ish). I'll report on when I start seeing visuals. That's around the time it takes for you to feel a substance again. I don't see any log of this data on the internet, so I'll be doing a first.

And I know what you guys are thinking. Don't worry, I'm an experienced psychonaut and know my "illness" really well.
 
If an unmedicated schizophrenic takes DA agonists he will get crazier, this is pretty obvious, but in our condition agonists simply do not work, I experimented with large doses of them, nothing at all happened except they lowered my prolactin. I would rather worry about Adderall, that's basically legal meth.

Yes, nothing except nausea, sedation, and lowered prolactin.
 
what should i do once the symptoms come back? I vape cbd and im going to try that. Or take vitamin b3. What should i do.
 
@invegasucksx, i know my opinion probably isnt popular because there is this belief that weed is a "miracle plant" and it cures all of lifes ailments and no harm is caused from weed, however weed can cause psychosis, it may have triggered it for me, so i would advise againt taking "cbd" above everything i would say avoiding all drugs should be at the top of your list.

My view on this thing is a bit different from others, i personally dont think the problem is that many of us still have the injection inside you, i believe its been long gone, but it takes a long time for your brain to reconfigure itself from the damaged caused by these drugs, there is "neuroplasticity" so even if these drugs fucked up are brains, our bodies have a way of recovering itself. But it just takes a long time to fix because its a brain. Honestly exercise and eating healthy are things that may help the recovery process. So eating vegetables and going to the gym.

On another note, i wanted to ask ppl. So back around a year ago, i was like hearing things and all, i was thinking i was being spied on with satellites, my computers and laptops and phone were hacked so they could always see what im doing on those devices and i thought the illuminatti wanted to recruit me, army was ordered to always spy on me, and they even were planning a few hits on me but they got prevented. after a while i decided to write on facebook all the things i was hearing, because i believed the voices were telling me all the secrets of the world, as they really did tell me a bunch of unbelievable things. after a couple of months of this happening, i had the police come to my home and asking me about the things i was writing on facebook, and telling me if i write more things on facebook, there going to come and arrest me. So i had to stop writing things on facebook after that. Its just a bit mind blowing to me that we really dont have freespeech, seeing as the cops came to my house and all.

So just a bit of a story and i wanted to know if others were experiencing anything similar to that.
 
People here are unable to think too? To feel no emotion and we were healed? I do not believe in healing is crazy I wonder how I will cure
 
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The recovery is a long process (in some case very long), but it is real. I have come a long way since the two freaking injections.

La guerison est reelle et je pense possible pour nous tous. Neuroleptique33 gardes espoir!!

Day 216

Feeling good today. I wish I could stop masturbating and be in full control of my own body. I hope I won't have any one night stand or such thing. I am praying God it won't happen. My self esteem will go drastically down if I do so.

Happy new year everyone!
It will be 2019 in 7 hours in France.

Best regards
 
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