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Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v. 7.0

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Baddream said:
If you’re on it 5+ years in high doses, I believe it can be dangerous. However, psychosis is also very damaging. Doctors have to weigh the consequences to our health. Psychosis vs AP’s. I am happy I got the jab, I had strong paranoia and it affected my mood. I feel normal now. I hope I don’t need medicine long term.

I believe this fear of big pharma and disbelief in doctors is all rooted in paranoia and psychosis, it’s irrational and doesn’t make sense. This kind of thinking is dangerous in and of itself, which is why many are injected to begin with.

What makes sense to me is the government want us healthy and strong so we can work and pay taxes.

I believe big pharma has the ultimate goal of making money. But it is not they who decide whether we need medicine, it’s the doctors and the state.
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Sometimes it needs to be reminded that we are all different. Psych meds and Invega itself will treat each of us differently, therefore it is better to not speak in absolutes by making blanket statements about the side effects of this or any drug. Just because something has not hit you as hard as someone else does not mean the side effect doesn't exist, it just means the drug treated each of you differently.

I honestly can't tell if you are being genuine and speaking from experience or if you work for big pharma and have been sent to parrot it's propaganda. And if not those two then maybe just a troll. I'm not accusing you of anything, just saying I am still trying to figure out your intentions over here.

Sure Invega will stop psychosis just like a hand grenade will stop a mosquito. There are plenty of other front line medications that can knock out a psychosis without subjecting the patients to potentially debilitating long term conditions. Notice I did not say "permanent" but a side effect that lasts 6 months to a year or more would be considered "long term".

While I do agree with much of what you are saying within the context of how important a positive attitude is for recovery, I also believe that your tone makes it seem like you are minimizing other peoples' very real life experiences. Like I said above, just because you didn't experience certain severe side effects doesn't mean everyone else also didn't. Please try to be more sensitive to what other people are going through. Thanks.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
Sometimes it needs to be reminded that we are all different. Psych meds and Invega itself will treat each of us differently, therefore it is better to not speak in absolutes by making blanket statements about the side effects of this or any drug. Just because something has not hit you as hard as someone else does not mean the side effect doesn't exist, it just means the drug treated each of you differently.

I honestly can't tell if you are being genuine and speaking from experience or if you work for big pharma and have been sent to parrot it's propaganda. And if not those two then maybe just a troll. I'm not accusing you of anything, just saying I am still trying to figure out your intentions over here.

Sure Invega will stop psychosis just like a hand grenade will stop a mosquito. There are plenty of other front line medications that can knock out a psychosis without subjecting the patients to potentially debilitating long term conditions. Notice I did not say "permanent" but a side effect that lasts 6 months to a year or more would be considered "long term".

While I do agree with much of what you are saying within the context of how important a positive attitude is for recovery, I also believe that your tone makes it seem like you are minimizing other peoples' very real life experiences. Like I said above, just because you didn't experience certain severe side effects doesn't mean everyone else also didn't. Please try to be more sensitive to what other people are going through. Thanks.
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Based Jerry Atrick. Well said
 
Baddream said:
There you go. I checked out his latest videos, looks fine to me.

The only thing that can slow recovery is this brain damage mentality. It leads to a changed outlook on life, you will be pessimistic about everything. Life will suck.

Worry more about the psychosis, it is the real culprit. It makes someone paranoid start thinking things will never get better and guess what, if you think like that it will become true.

Be honest with yourself. The real problem is psychosis not invega. I say this because I know how paranoia works. I’m speaking from experience.
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@bojana had no psychosis or paranoia. I also never had paranoia or psychosis and I see I will likely recover eventually. Being pessimistic is just a belief. I'm not pessimistic, I just check possibilities with evidence, it makes me look optimistic but I'm not subjective. Just being subjectively optimistic can lead to toxic positivity and too much expectations which isn't good.

It's rather about can you suffer through it till you recover.
 
Baddream said:
There you go. I checked out his latest videos, looks fine to me.

The only thing that can slow recovery is this brain damage mentality. It leads to a changed outlook on life, you will be pessimistic about everything. Life will suck.

Worry more about the psychosis, it is the real culprit. It makes someone paranoid start thinking things will never get better and guess what, if you think like that it will become true.

Be honest with yourself. The real problem is psychosis not invega. I say this because I know how paranoia works. I’m speaking from experience.
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I have few friends who are very pessimistic about life and they still like living. Beliefs can't change if your arm is broken or not, same for your brain.
 
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Invegaishell said:
I know you mentioned previously that you are not the same socially as you were before the injection. Are you able to hold a conversation? At least enough to be functional?
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i went from being funny, assertive and extrovert to a silent introvert with blank mind, i can be somehwat functional in some conversations where i need to explain certain topics but it takes alot of mindpower, time and will. It doesnt go effortlessly like pre invega
 
apsucks said:
i went from being funny, assertive and extrovert to a silent introvert with blank mind, i can be somehwat functional in some conversations where i need to explain certain topics but it takes alot of mindpower, time and will
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Oh God yeah I know exactly what you’re talking about
 
apsucks said:
6 months off the injection and i still have sexual dysfunction, i can feel orgasms slightly again it sucks. It takes a long ass time with abilify
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Yeah I’ve already faced that fact. You have no choice but to come to terms with it. I know one day I’ll be fully healed from all of this shit and man what a day that’ll be
 
apsucks said:
During invega i was optimistic most of the time..if i wasn't i would have killed myself already
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If I were convinced that I would never recover(at least 80-90%), I would have just end it immediately. But I have no evidence for that. There is high chance I can recover up to that amount.
 
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Jerry Atrick said:
I honestly can't tell if you are being genuine and speaking from experience or if you work for big pharma and have been sent to parrot it's propaganda. And if not those two then maybe just a troll. I'm not accusing you of anything, just saying I am still trying to figure out your intentions over here.
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Sent from big pharma 😂. I hate this medicines side effects just as much as everybody else. But I can be honest with myself and admit that they were right to put me on it. I refused to take the pills and my symptoms didn’t disappear. I agree that this shot should only be used as a last resort, and that it is a drastic measure for many patients. I’m not trolling.

I’m simply trying to be reasonable and understand the doctor’s point of view. I believe what’s harmful is dwelling too much on side effects instead of the underlying mental health issues. It’s not possible that all of us were forced medication if we were perfectly healthy. Maybe some.

I think it’s important to play the devil’s advocate sometimes, in order to get a full perspective. It would be easier for me to just complain about the side effects I experience, which are very severe to me. I stay optimistic because I don’t believe it’s permanent and will challenge any nonsense I read. We owe that to future readers of this forum.

I feel sorry for those who got severe side effects and will try to be more sensitive in the future. I wish everybody a speedy recovery.
 
t_xeplionhell said:
Being pessimistic is just a belief. I'm not pessimistic, I just check possibilities with evidence, it makes me look optimistic but I'm not subjective. Just being subjectively optimistic can lead to toxic positivity and too much expectations which isn't good.

It's rather about can you suffer through it till you recover.
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I agree
 
apsucks said:
i went from being funny, assertive and extrovert to a silent introvert with blank mind, i can be somehwat functional in some conversations where i need to explain certain topics but it takes alot of mindpower, time and will. It doesnt go effortlessly like pre invega
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Are ypu better now?
 
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