Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v. 7.0

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Sometimes it’s ok to complain. This is the hardest thing I’ve been through. Complaining feels better every once in a while. You don’t have to be positive all the time, especially while recovering from this.
It's the hardest thing anyone can go through. I can't think of anything worse.
I’ve been on here since September of 2022. I have seen 2 recoveries. One by a person who healed a while ago. I can’t believe it’s only been 2.

Every time I look at someone in the eyes or look their way, they look away. As if I’m not a person.
We've had at least two people in the last month who never post stop in and make a recovery post. You have to count them. Many who recover make a post to inform and then peace out, you can't expect them to stick around this place. This forum has lots of lurkers besides the regulars often heard from
 
Does anyones heart feel different since invega? Mine feels weak and damaged

I wish I was still normal. I loved life before now it feels like a horror movie. Truly tragic 😭

How can we know we recovered when you forget what normal life is like 😭😭😭

I can only think about suicide now. I don’t know how you guys have endured this struggle so long and still not recovered your former selves.
I’ve been suicidal the past couple months as well. It is common. It is to the point now where I am starting to question recovery. It seems like only the few heal.
 
It's the hardest thing anyone can go through. I can't think of anything worse.

We've had at least two people in the last month who never post stop in and make a recovery post. You have to count them. Many who recover make a post to inform and then peace out, you can't expect them to stick around this place. This forum has lots of lurkers besides the regulars often heard from
Hey I've been wanting to ask you this for quite a while now but never did so anyways, as one of the few people here that have apparently made a full recovery and is still regularly active here, how did you come to determine that you've actually made a full, 100% recovery? I'm certainly not trying to sound like I'm doubting you, it's just that all things considered I find it very difficult to believe that's the case, and strongly believe there would be some type of lasting long-term damage, even if it's mostly insignificant. So would that mean that I suppose aside from being stuck with the memory of the whole incident, have you fully recovered mentally and physically, which includes your mind, so cognitive abilities, physically, sexually, and more? Like has everything returned back to normal, exactly the way they were prior, with no difference whatsoever?
 
Damn I hope so. I feel permanently altered. The drug affected me in an extremely powerful way, it hijacked my entire brain. Are you certain the brain damage i received can recover? My brain feels slow, i have memory problems, its hard to form sentences and I can’t speak to people anymore
Same
 
I found a youtube video on how to make nerve and brain tissue regrow. What is your opinion on this?



Xeplione 150 mg + 100 + 100 + 100, last in March. I am currently taking Xanax for 2 months, Zoloft for 5 years, Quetiapine 200 mg for 6 months, Aripiprazol 10 mg for 2 months.

Thanks for sharing this video. It’s well explained and pretty short and to the point. I actually didn’t know that Keto helped. And I like how he explains the specific exercise to do since when people say exercise can help, it’s very broad. I did know that fasting can help. Apparently Reservatrol also helps with BDNF.
 
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For those of you who are saying there's no brain shrinkage with medications of this type that is not true. There's has been a heavy suppression of such research via the same persons who are in a position to profit from the lack of such knowledge.

Simply, the research of scanning a person pre medication then giving them these drugs is unethical or so rare to have a prior brain scan that there is no research into it.

Stating that it is not possible with no research done is truly an evil thing to do. There's a huge deficit in the distribution of Neurotransmitters that is evidenced by research. Lack of usage of pathways can lead to neural degradation via the deficit.

If anyone on this forum is making statements that there's no brain shrinkage you should call BS, as they have no evidence, it hasn't been for researched and is just a false faith. I wonder if such a person(s) is connected to a scientific role or profession that gives them any insight at all.

There is a strong belief in the scientific community, who are not stifled by funding from the same pharmaceutical giants pursuing medication for life, that these chemical toxins in a largely unmapped neural system have adverse and damaging effects.

There is recovery but you may not be as you were ever again. I am sorry to say such things but these are possibly some realities.

You will regrow grey matter, it will be a new form of you, you might lose some of the processing connections you had that link, I.e. Mathematics with baking weights for cooking, that's what your grey matter does, it shortcuts information you've learnt. Ten years will be a full recovery for the worse affected, this includes all emotion. Seven to recover all the transmitters as cell cycling is around seven years. MANY OF YOU WILL RECOVER MUCH MUCH QUICKER.

YES it sucks, but no you are not totally lost. I can live fine but I have lost a lot of my creativity. I was a very decent Engineering Scientist and this drug killed that joy, the reward system you get from working disintegrates and so things have no joy. That's what leads some people to drastic measures.

Hopefully friends I know will get drugs approved that can wash these chemicals out instantly but the work is being hunted by those who are desperate to profit from this chemical nightmare.

Be cautious, your complaints are twisted into the need to medicate you more by the same industry that hit you in the first place. BE CAUTIOUS.
 
I just want a painless exit now. I can’t deal with the fact my brain will never be what it once was. I hate my life
It is not certain if your brain will be what it once was. You could have a 100% recovery. We won’t know until the time comes. Don’t “exit,” time will tell if you recover. With suicide you have a 0% chance of recovery, that is certain.
 
I’ve been suicidal the past couple months as well. It is common. It is to the point now where I am starting to question recovery. It seems like only the few heal.
I looked at most of the messages sent by those on that recovery list and many of them only made a partial recovery. Not full recovery.

2.5months off. Still struggle to communicate with people and make eye contact, have memory problems, akathisia, no patience and can’t stay still or wait for anything, no joy or gratification from completing tasks, don’t feel tired ever and barely get 2 hours sleep a night, higher pitch voice, less energy, nausea, sexual dysfunction and overall feel chemically altered and lobotomised. I know I’m early in recovery but I have almost zero hope ill be the person I once was again. Fuck this shit is painful. Can’t even sleep my problems away. Sorry for the rant just venting.

2.5months off. Still struggle to communicate with people and make eye contact, have memory problems, akathisia, no patience and can’t stay still or wait for anything, no joy or gratification from completing tasks, don’t feel tired ever and barely get 2 hours sleep a night, higher pitch voice, less energy, nausea, sexual dysfunction and overall feel chemically altered and lobotomised. I know I’m early in recovery but I have almost zero hope ill be the person I once was again. Fuck this shit is painful. Can’t even sleep my problems away. Sorry for the rant just venting.
Forgot to mention bad acne all over my back and chest. I feel disgusting now

I’ve been suicidal the past couple months as well. It is common. It is to the point now where I am starting to question recovery. It seems like only the few heal.
I’m so sorry to hear that. I know your pain ❤️
 
Hey I've been wanting to ask you this for quite a while now but never did so anyways, as one of the few people here that have apparently made a full recovery and is still regularly active here, how did you come to determine that you've actually made a full, 100% recovery? I'm certainly not trying to sound like I'm doubting you, it's just that all things considered I find it very difficult to believe that's the case, and strongly believe there would be some type of lasting long-term damage, even if it's mostly insignificant. So would that mean that I suppose aside from being stuck with the memory of the whole incident, have you fully recovered mentally and physically, which includes your mind, so cognitive abilities, physically, sexually, and more? Like has everything returned back to normal, exactly the way they were prior, with no difference whatsoever?
Sure. I've answered this question before.
I had a list of everything that was missing/nonfunctional for me after invega. It's the same as most of yours - social problems, inability to conversate, inability to think/study, akathisia, inability to enjoy my previous interests or basic activities, lack of desire for hygiene, sexual inability both solo and with my partner, inability to pray, lack of spontaneous though, ugliness/disconnect in the mirror...the list was longer but you get the idea.

once all of these things ceased and / or returned to me at the full capacity o had before invega, i knew i was recovered.

" has everything returned to normal, exactly as they were prior, with no difference whatsoever" is a trick question. Time passes. Being on invega is an emotionally traumatic experience. So is psychosis. My family dynamics changed. I lost some relationships with friends. My kids got two years older. My brother was still dead. If your question is "will i be able to pretend i was never on invega" the answer is no...like being in a car wreck, althiugh your wounds heal the EXPERIENCE of being in that wreck will never change. That doesn't mean that my abilities or capacity as a fully functional human has changed. It hasn't. There's nothing I was capable of before invega that I'm not capable of now.

Im not sure what "insignificant long-lasting damage" you strongly believe youll suffer from, but setting your recovery up in such ambiguous instead of objective terms is a setup for failure
For those of you who are saying there's no brain shrinkage with medications of this type that is not true. There's has been a heavy suppression of such research via the same persons who are in a position to profit from the lack of such knowledge.

Simply, the research of scanning a person pre medication then giving them these drugs is unethical or so rare to have a prior brain scan that there is no research into it.
You'll have to explain how the research is suppressed when the research that has been conducted only shows gray matter loss over long periods of use (5+ years). If the research is so easy to control why did these companies not stop the studies that showed this as well?
Stating that it is not possible with no research done is truly an evil thing to do. There's a huge deficit in the distribution of Neurotransmitters that is evidenced by research. Lack of usage of pathways can lead to neural degradation via the deficit.
I never said its not possible. I said it isnt shown to be true. Take a stat class.

lack of usage can lead to neural degradation over time.
If anyone on this forum is making statements that there's no brain shrinkage you should call BS, as they have no evidence, it hasn't been for researched and is just a false faith. I wonder if such a person(s) is connected to a scientific role or profession that gives them any insight at all.
Why should we believe in something that has no evidence,? If we have no evidence, as we do in this case, we should NOT believe in it. This is how you avoid delusion.
There is a strong belief in the scientific community, who are not stifled by funding from the same pharmaceutical giants pursuing medication for life, that these chemical toxins in a largely unmapped neural system have adverse and damaging effects.

There is recovery but you may not be as you were ever again. I am sorry to say such things but these are possibly some realities.
Thanks for the advice fellow. We are all here because the medication obviously has adverse effects. Many people have recovered themselves. This forum is to track that recovery - everyone is already aware of the possibility you point out - exactly the reason the thread was created in the first place - to track and share.
You will regrow grey matter, it will be a new form of you, you might lose some of the processing connections you had that link, I.e. Mathematics with baking weights for cooking, that's what your grey matter does, it shortcuts information you've learnt.
so strange that I can still do math and that I've highly improved as a cook since I've been on invega (and I was no slouch). Don't know how I ever managed it because invega deleted that gray matter from my brain 🙄
YES it sucks, but no you are not totally lost. I can live fine but I have lost a lot of my creativity. I was a very decent Engineering Scientist and this drug killed that joy, the reward system you get from working disintegrates and so things have no joy. That's what leads some people to drastic measures.
my reward system from working is perfectly intact after recovery. I got my AA with honors and have made huge progress in creativity through my painting and drawing since recovering. Perhaps you are suffering a personal issue.
I just want a painless exit now. I can’t deal with the fact my brain will never be what it once was. I hate my life
That fact is just not true. Everything that you miss about yourself will return - none of it is permanently lost. Unfortunately some people on this forum are mentally imbalanced, that's just the nature of it- don't let it bring you down.
 
Sure. I've answered this question before.
I had a list of everything that was missing/nonfunctional for me after invega. It's the same as most of yours - social problems, inability to conversate, inability to think/study, akathisia, inability to enjoy my previous interests or basic activities, lack of desire for hygiene, sexual inability both solo and with my partner, inability to pray, lack of spontaneous though, ugliness/disconnect in the mirror...the list was longer but you get the idea.

once all of these things ceased and / or returned to me at the full capacity o had before invega, i knew i was recovered.

" has everything returned to normal, exactly as they were prior, with no difference whatsoever" is a trick question. Time passes. Being on invega is an emotionally traumatic experience. So is psychosis. My family dynamics changed. I lost some relationships with friends. My kids got two years older. My brother was still dead. If your question is "will i be able to pretend i was never on invega" the answer is no...like being in a car wreck, althiugh your wounds heal the EXPERIENCE of being in that wreck will never change. That doesn't mean that my abilities or capacity as a fully functional human has changed. It hasn't. There's nothing I was capable of before invega that I'm not capable of now.

Im not sure what "insignificant long-lasting damage" you strongly believe youll suffer from, but setting your recovery up in such ambiguous instead of objective terms is a setup for failure

You'll have to explain how the research is suppressed when the research that has been conducted only shows gray matter loss over long periods of use (5+ years). If the research is so easy to control why did these companies not stop the studies that showed this as well?

I never said its not possible. I said it isnt shown to be true. Take a stat class.

lack of usage can lead to neural degradation over time.

Why should we believe in something that has no evidence,? If we have no evidence, as we do in this case, we should NOT believe in it. This is how you avoid delusion.

Thanks for the advice fellow. We are all here because the medication obviously has adverse effects. Many people have recovered themselves. This forum is to track that recovery - everyone is already aware of the possibility you point out - exactly the reason the thread was created in the first place - to track and share.

so strange that I can still do math and that I've highly improved as a cook since I've been on invega (and I was no slouch). Don't know how I ever managed it because invega deleted that gray matter from my brain 🙄

my reward system from working is perfectly intact after recovery. I got my AA with honors and have made huge progress in creativity through my painting and drawing since recovering. Perhaps you are suffering a personal issue.

That fact is just not true. Everything that you miss about yourself will return - none of it is permanently lost. Unfortunately some people on this forum are mentally imbalanced, that's just the nature of it- don't let it bring you down.
Good stuff Katrina keep giving us hope
 
Sure. I've answered this question before.
I had a list of everything that was missing/nonfunctional for me after invega. It's the same as most of yours - social problems, inability to conversate, inability to think/study, akathisia, inability to enjoy my previous interests or basic activities, lack of desire for hygiene, sexual inability both solo and with my partner, inability to pray, lack of spontaneous though, ugliness/disconnect in the mirror...the list was longer but you get the idea.

once all of these things ceased and / or returned to me at the full capacity o had before invega, i knew i was recovered.

" has everything returned to normal, exactly as they were prior, with no difference whatsoever" is a trick question. Time passes. Being on invega is an emotionally traumatic experience. So is psychosis. My family dynamics changed. I lost some relationships with friends. My kids got two years older. My brother was still dead. If your question is "will i be able to pretend i was never on invega" the answer is no...like being in a car wreck, althiugh your wounds heal the EXPERIENCE of being in that wreck will never change. That doesn't mean that my abilities or capacity as a fully functional human has changed. It hasn't. There's nothing I was capable of before invega that I'm not capable of now.

Im not sure what "insignificant long-lasting damage" you strongly believe youll suffer from, but setting your recovery up in such ambiguous instead of objective terms is a setup for failure
Oh I see, thanks for responding then. To start, what I was specifically trying to refer to when I said "And strongly believe there would be some type of lasting long-term damage, even if it's mostly insignificant.", is that it's very likely, in my opinion, that even many years later to the point where someone can basically function the way they did prior to Invega, that there would still remain some type of harm that's present all those years later, even if it's so minor to the point where that person doesn't notice said damage/side-effects anymore but is still present nonetheless.

It's also nice to know you've recovered seemingly everything that was once temporarily removed or suppresed by Invega at one point, and that you're capable of living a normal, fulfilling life again based off of what you said. I'd say it gives me a sense of hope that I'll "fully" recover as well, but seeing how I'm the only person here that literally couldn't sleep for over 3 months and suffered a stroke because of it, and yes I'm certain that's what it was since I had difficulty walking, almost complete paralysis, worsened blurred vision, double vision, which is still present to this day and hasn't improved even slightly, difficulty speaking, slurred speech, problems with balance, the inability to understand anyone, and more, that I recieved extensive and more severe brain damage then someone who took the injection but didn't suffer from a stroke like I did, and that my likelihood of making a "full" recovery is now very unlikely if not impossible as a result.

Lastly, what I meant from the sentence I said at the end was if everything that was previously affected by Invega has fully returned and healed back to normal. I know that during that span of time many changes can occur throughout your life as well but I was specifically referring to Invega in this case. It's most likely possible that the memories of this incident will remain in our minds for a long period of time, perhaps even forever, because like you said it's a very emotionally traumatic experience. I acknowledge that the memories from this will most likely linger for the rest of my life.

I forgot to mention that I have an appointment coming up where I'll undergo an MRI for my brain, since the last time I did so was while I was still experiencing a stroke in the emergency room. Apparently it can take days or possibly weeks after a stroke for visible damage to become detectable, hence why I'm interested in doing it again. Also this Wednesday I have an upcoming appointment with an optometrist, where I am interested in suggesting the use of prism glasses, which can help correct double vision. Certain procedures such as laser eye surgery can also fix double vision, but is obviously way out of my budget at the moment, so I have no choice but to settle for a temporary, cheaper alternative for the time being.
 
Would you say your lean with abs and all that? Or are you more of a bear? I'm glad you feel better about your physique. Did your face return to normal?

im getting leaner everyday. and yes my face recovered wtv that means. i think ur trying to say if i lost fat in my face, and yes I did. it takes time bro. just track ur calories and work out consistentley. keep in mind it took me over a year to be able to work out. I could not work for more than an hour without my legs hurting, and I would walk really slow. I could not work out for over a year hence why I got fat. since I've been able to work out like normal i've been going crazy with amazing energy levels burning alot of fat and i've been retaining alot of my muscle by fasting.
 
im getting leaner everyday. and yes my face recovered wtv that means. i think ur trying to say if i lost fat in my face, and yes I did. it takes time bro. just track ur calories and work out consistentley. keep in mind it took me over a year to be able to work out. I could not work for more than an hour without my legs hurting, and I would walk really slow. I could not work out for over a year hence why I got fat. since I've been able to work out like normal i've been going crazy with amazing energy levels burning alot of fat and i've been retaining alot of my muscle by fasting.
You said you were 15 months off now right? I appreciate the advice and reassurance about my face. I'll work hard to get everything back. I just feel so different without my body. Do you have your abs back? and how much do you weigh now compared to preinvega?

How much does everyone weigh? and are you lean or skinny?

Im currently 200, 5 11 1/2 tall. Used to be 165 to 175 as a bodybuilder.

Dm me if you want photos of me preinvega.

Everyone please put their stats up
 
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Random suggestion, can we eventually add the option to react to other people's posts with more than just the 11 emojis/options that are currently available?
That is a really good suggestion, thank you. I will put it to the admins. I'm not sure if the software allows it, but we will see what we can do :)

My heart feels weak. It’s hard to describe. Like it’s struggling to beat
You should go to your doctor and talk to them about it, ask if you can get referred to a cardiologist to get it checked properly.
 
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