Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v 6.0

[prinzfrost]

Like I said..........while you are indeed posting good comments to help people recover you are also trying to get people to join your cause. And it is a cause. It's an attempt to get a group of people to hire lawyers and listen to what they say..........and then actually those said lawyers actually going in front of a Judge and telling the Judge that he/she wants to sue a DRUG MANUFACTURER for side effects and damages and he represents a very small percentage of the population that wants money. Ain't gonna happen. There is no incentive for any lawyer to take a case like that because he knows he won't win. And the biggest problem is going to be each and every person that wants to join a cause like that is going to have to get up in front of a jury and explain exactly WHY they got put on the medicine to begin with.

Then you have the medical profession that's gonna get up there and go into detail every behavior you have ever done. From your medical records. Not real sure anybody in here wants to disclose every bad act they ever did or how they behaved while in psychosis or any violence they may have done to someone while not in their right mind. I know I sure wouldn't want to. And everyone would have their whole life layed out for all to see and the Dr.s wouldn't talk about all the GOOD you may have done in your life....they will only concentrate on the BAD.

Some things we just have to live with whether we like it or not. Whether we think it's fair or not. Because some battles simply can't be won. Especially in the Court system.

First of all, there have been many successful class action lawsuits against the psychiatric pharmaceutical companies that exacted hundreds of millions and billions of dollars from the leading companies--Eli Lilly, Janssen, Otsuka, Bristol Myers Squibb, etc. including the gynecomaestia lawsuit regarding paliperidone and Invega! This matter also is not a small percentage of the population. Consider the usage rates I cited previously--more than 260 million unique people worldwide on antipsychotics in the last 10 years! Vastly more for antidepressants! 16 million unique Americans on antispychotics recently! And 34 million unique Americans on antidepressants recently! These translate to HUGE numbers of victims!

You are discussing litigation and the courts of law as if its some freaky niche cause. I have already alluded to the previous successful litigation. This is not a freaky niche cause, it is a necessary and major step of recourse for victims like ourselves, there is a reason our courts of law exist!

I am encouraging people to not only consult lawyers but do countless other actions, many of which, again, are so basic that it is unfair to call it a "cause" when they are basic activities of our society.

There is plenty of incentive for lawyers to take these cases because they have overwhelming evidence, great merit, many courses of action, great moral importance to and service to so many aspects of society, relate to very important laws and terrible crimes, etc. They should win in the court of law. Why anyone would think they cannot or this is not the case is an additional discussion. Why can't they win? A society in which the courts of law do not return reasonable judgments when the previous conditions have been met--overwhelming evidence, great merits, many courses of action, great moral importance, relevance to many important laws and terrible crimes, etc--is a society where the courts of law are corrupt, plain and simple and law and order has serious problems. If we live in such a society, we ought to do something about such a fundamental problem.

Your point about cross examination, personal legal and mental health information, etc. is a good point, in terms of likely, but immaterial, unjustified, vicious tactics by pharmaceutical companies and defendants and reticence on the part of plaintiffs.

But it is still not material to, especially, class action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for the dangers of their medications! The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable and the conduct of the victims does not at all affect or impact the dangerousness of these drugs and cannot be used as an excuse by the pharmaceutical companies. These drugs are also given to completely innocent victims who never committed crimes, had behavioral problems or were psychotic, not only because of the phenomena of misdiagnoses but also because antipsychotics are marketed as bogus treatments for non-psychotic disorders!

The argument that some of the worst crimes imaginable are justified and legally excused because some of their victims, not all of them, have had considerable behavioral problems, legal and psychiatric issues, is not valid. These harms far outweigh the benefits of the supposed therapeutic functions. They are also bogus arguments because pharmaceutical companies, medicine and doctors, as I said previously, have a responsibility to provide safe and effective medication. They also have had 70 years to do so and currently possess vast resources, technology, support and so forth to actually develop such safe and effective medication, so there is little excuse. They also have an irrefutable course of misconduct, especially insofar as concealing the dangers of these medications is concerned! The criminological and social control argument for administering dangerous drugs with complete impunity, zero remorse, zero responsibility, zero liability and with total invincibility is unbelievably dangerous, immoral and insidious and resembles genocide and atrocities in world history and corrupts many of the fundamental institutions, professions, industries and disciplines of our society! Especially since unbelievable numbers of people who are not very dangerous at all and large numbers of people who are completely innocent are affected!

 

[apsucks]

Month 4.5 off last injection(abilify) while taking pills (abilify) feels worse than being 4.5 months off invega and not taking pills. Anhedonia is worse than invega

 

[Nurse Ratched]

First of all, there have been many successful class action lawsuits against the psychiatric pharmaceutical companies that exacted hundreds of millions and billions of dollars from the leading companies--Eli Lilly, Janssen, Otsuka, Bristol Myers Squibb, etc. including the gynecomaestia lawsuit regarding paliperidone and Invega! This matter also is not a small percentage of the population. Consider the usage rates I cited previously--more than 260 million unique people worldwide on antipsychotics in the last 10 years! Vastly more for antidepressants! 16 million unique Americans on antispychotics recently! And 34 million unique Americans on antidepressants recently! These translate to HUGE numbers of victims!

You are discussing litigation and the courts of law as if its some freaky niche cause. I have already alluded to the previous successful litigation. This is not a freaky niche cause, it is a necessary and major step of recourse for victims like ourselves, there is a reason our courts of law exist!

I am encouraging people to not only consult lawyers but do countless other actions, many of which, again, are so basic that it is unfair to call it a "cause" when they are basic activities of our society.

There is plenty of incentive for lawyers to take these cases because they have overwhelming evidence, great merit, many courses of action, great moral importance to and service to so many aspects of society, relate to very important laws and terrible crimes, etc. They should win in the court of law. Why anyone would think they cannot or this is not the case is an additional discussion. Why can't they win? A society in which the courts of law do not return reasonable judgments when the previous conditions have been met--overwhelming evidence, great merits, many courses of action, great moral importance, relevance to many important laws and terrible crimes, etc--is a society where the courts of law are corrupt, plain and simple and law and order has serious problems. If we live in such a society, we ought to do something about such a fundamental problem.

Your point about cross examination, personal legal and mental health information, etc. is a good point, in terms of likely, but immaterial, unjustified, vicious tactics by pharmaceutical companies and defendants and reticence on the part of plaintiffs.

But it is still not material to, especially, class action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for the dangers of their medications! The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable and the conduct of the victims does not at all affect or impact the dangerousness of these drugs and cannot be used as an excuse by the pharmaceutical companies. These drugs are also given to completely innocent victims who never committed crimes, had behavioral problems or were psychotic, not only because of the phenomena of misdiagnoses but also because antipsychotics are marketed as bogus treatments for non-psychotic disorders!

You have a point. I have a point. We can agree that there are people that have been seriously harmed by AP's .

You have said several times that you can get nobody to listen to you. That you have contacted multiple lawyers and been turned down by all. That you have written hundreds of letters to multiple organizations and that you NEVER get a response. Doesn't that tell ya something ? It speaks loud and clear to me.

If you wanna fight the good fight and go up against the big boys I wish you luck. I hope one day you will succeed.

 

[prinzfrost]

Maybe you weren’t dieting enough or exercising enough…or need to take a drug to jump start your metabolism. That happens to ppl

Before paliperidone, for most of my life, I dieted and exercised religiously and healthily. After paliperidone, I lost my ability to exercise or live extremely healthily and eat healthily as much as I used to, but I still go on long walks with my dog almost daily and cook and eat relatively healthy.

 

[HelpMeInvega]

Before paliperidone, for most of my life, I dieted and exercised religiously and healthily. After paliperidone, I lost my ability to exercise or live extremely healthily and eat healthily as much as I used to, but I still go on long walks with my dog almost daily and cook and eat relatively healthy.

Maybe try ozempic! Or try a medication that jump starts your metabolism. Walking isn’t going to get the weight off. Why can’t you diet after Invega Sustenna? It doesn’t make sense? I could see if you were on antipsychotics and got the cravings, because I know they make you crave carbs and junk food and eat a lot of unhealthy food….but you’re not even on them anymore.

 

[prinzfrost]

Being put on CTO to take injections unwillingly can be as bad if not worse then rape for sure but willingly taking anti depressants or anti psychotic pills is not like rape since you consented to it if you were to bring that up with a lawyer theyd think you’re bat shit crazy.

Again, I addressed in another post why taking antipsychotic pills that cause sexual injury constitutes sexual assault. Often times people are forced to take these pills under court orders and even when they are not, it is clearly sexual assault. Nobody who takes these pills consents to sexual injury or these sexual side effects. Taking medication does not amount to a legal consent and full exculpation of all possible injuries and courses of actions on those--that is utterly preposterous and uninformed (I discuss that matter extensively in my previous posts). Many individuals, like myself, were not only not warned about the full sexual dangers but were not aware that these drugs had that potential and that they interacted with our sexual organs and systems extensively and could cause such injury. There is no sexual health or pleasure purpose to these drugs. There is no reliable way to avoid these dangers other than not taking the drugs, as these injuries can happen at any time and do happen at any time. There is no way to separate the injurious, nefarious administration of these drugs from the legitimate, lawful, therapeutic administration of these drugs, like with gynecological exams, sex toys and gun use.

If somebody viciously permanently sexually injures a victim during a gynecological exam or with a sex toy, most of you would agree sexual assault and even rape occurred and Statutes, like the ones in my state, say that, furthermore, if such permanent sexual injury occurs, this ups the severity of the crime. If somebody is firing a gun off, aimed in the direction of their victim and there is no cause of self defense or protection of others, most everyone would agree that assault and attempted murder is occuring.

A sexual assault counselor already agreed with me that I was the victim of sexual assault and that individuals like yourselves would also be sexual assault victims and she praised me for my work and advocacy.

So why would a lawyer think I was "bat shit crazy?" Unless they were malicious, unjust and willfully ignorant/immoral and wanted to stamp out/refuse to service/obstruct an innocent victim with overwhelming evidence, great merit, great cause and the support of expert testimony?

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Again, I addressed in another post why taking antipsychotic pills that cause sexual injury constitutes sexual assault. Often times people are forced to take these pills under court orders and even when they are not, it is clearly sexual assault. Nobody who takes these pills consents to sexual injury or these sexual side effects. Taking medication does not amount to a legal consent and full exculpation of all possible injuries and courses of actions on those--that is utterly preposterous and uninformed (I discuss that matter extensively in my previous posts). Many individuals, like myself, were not only not warned about the full sexual dangers but were not aware that these drugs had that potential and that they interacted with our sexual organs and systems extensively and could cause such injury. There is no sexual health or pleasure purpose to these drugs. There is no reliable way to avoid these dangers other than not taking the drugs, as these injuries can happen at any time and do happen at any time. There is no way to separate the injurious, nefarious administration of these drugs from the legitimate, lawful, therapeutic administration of these drugs, like with gynecological exams, sex toys and gun use.

If somebody viciously permanently sexually injures a victim during a gynecological exam or with a sex toy, most of you would agree sexual assault and even rape occurred and Statutes, like the ones in my state, say that, furthermore, if such permanent sexual injury occurs, this ups the severity of the crime. If somebody is firing a gun off, aimed in the direction of their victim and there is no cause of self defense or protection of others, most everyone would agree that assault and attempted murder is occuring.

A sexual assault counselor already agreed with me that I was the victim of sexual assault and that individuals like yourselves would also be sexual assault victims and she praised me for my work and advocacy.

So why would a lawyer think I was "bat shit crazy?" Unless they were malicious, unjust and willfully ignorant/immoral and wanted to stamp out/refuse to service/obstruct an innocent victim with overwhelming evidence, great merit, great cause and the support of expert testimony?

Okay. I'm going to say this as clearly as I possibly can. Rape is a legal term . A very explicit and LEGAL term. To imply an act that has NOTHING to do with medicine.

Please move on and stop with the " I was sexually assaulted and raped" or I am going to have to start deleting your posrts.

Talk about recovery. Ask others how they are doing. Talk about your diet. Or your dog. Or what you are having for dinner. Or how you help yourself to recover on a daily basis. The rape talk stops here. Thank you.

 

[paranoid android]

Over 4 months off the injection but anhedonia is worse than ever. i noticed some symptoms improve while taking pills but in order to get rid of anhedonia you really need to stop taking anti psychotics alltoger. Maybe a low dose of seroquel is the best option it doesnt target d2 receptors

I got rid of anhedonia totally without going off antipsychotics altogether. I have been on zyprexa now since around the 1st of January and i can't complain about it at all. My sex drive is back 120%, my attention span came back (it seems the latuda was fucking with this) and i can now watch long movies and read books no problem, i am back to working out and am now working out with alot heavier weights then when i started 3 months ago and my strength is better then it has been in about a decade, i have only gained about 5lbs since i started zyprexa 3 moths ago and that is likely muscle and i have alot of energy. Really the only thing that bothers me about zyprexa is that i may not be able to trip. But i guess i could always get my hands on some ketamine and use that instead.

So no you don't have to go off antipsychotics altogether to recover at all.

 

[paranoid android]

Month 4.5 off last injection(abilify) while taking pills (abilify) feels worse than being 4.5 months off invega and not taking pills. Anhedonia is worse than invega

No wonder you are not recovering if you are taking abilify! That shit was just as bad for me as the invega was. Have you ever tried zyprexa? I would recommend giving it a go if you havent as i can't complain about it at all.

 

[prinzfrost]

Maybe try ozempic! Or try a medication that jump starts your metabolism. Walking isn’t going to get the weight off. Why can’t you diet after Invega Sustenna? It doesn’t make sense? I could see if you were on antipsychotics and got the cravings, because I know they make you crave carbs and junk food and eat a lot of unhealthy food….but you’re not even on them anymore.

I have paliperidone-induced depression and sexual dysfunction (since December 2021 to the present), as most of us do/have had. This depression has consisted of total anhedonia, loss of ability to do many activities and loss of many faculties. I do not have the endurance nor religious faculties I once had that are required for strong dieting measures. I do not have the endurance, enjoyment nor benefit to engage in vast exercise.
These exercise and dieting measures at any rate never worked in the past when I was able to do them! I tried for 10 years to lose the abilify induced weight gain and could never do so--I did all the exercise and dietary matters correctly. I did them correctly because I inherently loved them and enjoyed them and didn't need a weight loss purpose to do them, since they gave me so much enjoyment and fulfillment. But nonetheless, when I should have lost weight, I didn't.

Ozempic, aka semaglutide, is very dangerous. Ah, here we go again... there is a vast list of semaglutide's side effects from the manufacturer's label and others that are not listed on the label that keep getting reported in the news by patients, trainers, doctors, researchers and so forth. These side effects occur at considerable enough rates to have us worried. The side effects literature sample sizes are way to small to be reliable and definitive and they haven't, for this drug, to my knowlege, measured long-term side effects. Long-term and permanent injuries that occur at considerable rates are, of course, as I know and others here on these threads know, the ultimate nightmare which is to be avoided at all cost and which should really make these drugs illegal. Semaglutide is being fawned over and promoted extensively, lately, and there are very few if any people discussing their full, comprehensive dangers! My doctor and I discussed semaglutide and he told me that most people who discontinue the medication gain all the weight back and thus have to be on the drug for life. Additionally, there is no evidence that semaglutide would work against antipsychotic induced permanent, irreversible, incurable, untreatable weight gain and I'm not willing to take that risk, especially when this drug can have severe impacts on the gastrointestinal system, where I already have enough problems! and can have side effects that partially resemble those of paliperidone! (loss of sensitivity to alcohol, loss of muscle mass/function, which could indicate other side effects that haven't yet been reported, like anhedonia, loss of exercise faculties, etc.!)

Yes, I'm not on antipsychotics anymore at all (for five months now, since I discontinued abilify and 15 months since I discontinued paliperidone) and they actually never really gave me cravings. How did I gain so much weight if my portions remained the same and my exercise largely did, too? (until I could no longer exercise) This is a question for science to answer, but I have some theories--antipsychotics affect neurochemistry receptors, so likely it affected/damaged subcortical structures governing metabolism and may have directly affected tissues and organs in the rest of the body (not the brain or nervous system) governing metabolism, which would make it a catastrophic weight gain drug, or perhaps maybe a miracle weight gain drug for starving people--however, they and abilify are so dangerous in other regards, it would be unethical to use this to help people gain weight!

 

[HelpMeInvega]

I have paliperidone-induced depression and sexual dysfunction (since December 2021 to the present), as most of us do/have had. This depression has consisted of total anhedonia, loss of ability to do many activities and loss of many faculties. I do not have the endurance nor religious faculties I once had that are required for strong dieting measures. I do not have the endurance, enjoyment nor benefit to engage in vast exercise.
These exercise and dieting measures at any rate never worked in the past when I was able to do them! I tried for 10 years to lose the abilify induced weight gain and could never do so--I did all the exercise and dietary matters correctly. I did them correctly because I inherently loved them and enjoyed them and didn't need a weight loss purpose to do them, since they gave me so much enjoyment and fulfillment. But nonetheless, when I should have lost weight, I didn't.

Ozempic, aka semaglutide, is very dangerous. Ah, here we go again... there is a vast list of semaglutide's side effects from the manufacturer's label and others that are not listed on the label that keep getting reported in the news by patients, trainers, doctors, researchers and so forth. These side effects occur at considerable enough rates to have us worried. The side effects literature sample sizes are way to small to be reliable and definitive and they haven't, for this drug, to my knowlege, measured long-term side effects. Long-term and permanent injuries that occur at considerable rates are, of course, as I know and others here on these threads know, the ultimate nightmare which is to be avoided at all cost and which should really make these drugs illegal. Semaglutide is being fawned over and promoted extensively, lately, and there are very few if any people discussing their full, comprehensive dangers! My doctor and I discussed semaglutide and he told me that most people who discontinue the medication gain all the weight back and thus have to be on the drug for life. Additionally, there is no evidence that semaglutide would work against antipsychotic induced permanent, irreversible, incurable, untreatable weight gain and I'm not willing to take that risk, especially when this drug can have severe impacts on the gastrointestinal system, where I already have enough problems! and can have side effects that partially resemble those of paliperidone! (loss of sensitivity to alcohol, loss of muscle mass/function, which could indicate other side effects that haven't yet been reported, like anhedonia, loss of exercise faculties, etc.!)

Yes, I'm not on antipsychotics anymore at all (for five months now, since I discontinued abilify and 15 months since I discontinued paliperidone) and they actually never really gave me cravings. How did I gain so much weight if my portions remained the same and my exercise largely did, too? (until I could no longer exercise) This is a question for science to answer, but I have some theories--antipsychotics affect neurochemistry receptors, so likely it affected/damaged subcortical structures governing metabolism and may have directly affected tissues and organs in the rest of the body (not the brain or nervous system) governing metabolism, which would make it a catastrophic weight gain drug, or perhaps maybe a miracle weight gain drug for starving people--however, they and abilify are so dangerous in other regards, it would be unethical to use this to help people gain weight!

You don’t have the religious behaviours to diet? Lol wtf does that mean??? Sometimes you have to diet even though you don’t get any pleasure from it. Sometimes you have to exercise even though you don’t get any pleasure from it. Dude I don’t even take your seriously anymore, you’ve only been off the injection for five months you have no idea if your sexual dysfunction is permanent or not you’re jumping the gun! How do you think schizophrenics, and bipolar ppl deal with life and depressed ppl who have to take antipsychotics everyday they exercise, they diet, they workout, they lack pleasure but they do it anyways. That’s what I find so stupid about this form and ppl who whine like “omg I have such bad anhedonia” put yourself in a persons shoes who has to take these medications on the regular…they still accomplish all these things and don’t give up.

 

[roofmaan1]

What are you gonna do to help yourself quit porn?

I got to go on a long streak

 

[Kaatrina]

Kaatrina are you recovered 100% you would say?

Yes. I've been off invega and all medication for iver four years now, and considered myself fully recovered after 2.5 years.

Again, Kaatrina, you didn't read my posts--for paliperidone, you should know that the official drug label completely denies the possibility of depression and sexual dysfunction! Even when side effects literature, neurochemistry scientific consensus and first hand accounts confirm these side effects at huge rates for not only antipsychotics but paliperidone. Doctors are required by law to fully disclose dangers of drugs, especially the worst ones.

As for the other medications, some of them, like Wellbutrin, in fact list some of the side effects that happened, namely the diarrhea. However, this is irrelevant. You claim a lawyer will say this, but you haven't cited any law or precedent of law which would make this relevant at all. Warning inserts do not constitute a contractual agreement/exculpatory clauses/abandonment of legal rights by the patient! Even if they did, there is plenty of case law that should suggest that courts would disregard such as illegal and not valid--and they absolutely should regard them as illegal and invalid.

I explicitly addressed this matter in my recent post yet you did not address my thoughts and arguments on the matter.

Once the sexual injury occurred, I tried my best to discontinue the medication as soon as possible, but was forced to take it for another month by my psychiatrist. Mind you, this was at a time when I was not well-informed about all the dangers of these psychiatric drugs, all the evidence related to these dangers and countless matters.

I had no idea this was even possible before the sexual injury occurred, so I did not view repeated administrations as repeated sexual assault and rape attempts, since I had no knowledge of the matter and only felt subtle sexual side effects in October and November 2021 prior to the full onset in December 2021. Your criticism is completely invalid.

I was, indeed, on paliperidone until January 2022, a full month after the terrible injuries/side effects came on, against my wishes at the mandate of my psychiatrist which was enforced by (unlawful) court mandated community treatment.

These drugs are clearly so dangerous they should not have ever been approved or be on the market, so no warning labels, even if they are accurate and sufficient, which they aren't, nor doctor's warnings (which were almost entirely nonexistent, especially in regards to the said injuries) could be used as excuses. I have had severe side effects to antidepressants and antipsychotics 100% of the time! They have not given me any benefit 100% of the time! (and contrary to whatever anyone might say, they did not cause any withdrawal effects ever). Most of these side effects were actually long-term, incurable and untreatable injuries, with three of them being permanent. For such findings across so many different medications, this is not merely a fluke but strong evidence that these medications are unacceptably dangerous, period.

Again, please carefully read my previous posts--exculpatory clauses, caveat emptor and limits on liability like that which you seem to imply simply does not exist for dangerous drugs and doctors and psychiatrists and if they did, it would be so unbelievably immoral to be a crime against humanity, as I explained. Nobody consents to these injuries, victims are never warned of these dangers as law requires doctors and psychiatrists to do and there can be no excusing these crimes at all, especially given the circumstances. I've addressed perhaps every possible excuse, especially the ones that usually come up.

You are evidently persisting in defending the worst crimes imaginable and perhaps the greatest destruction of all of human history! And showing a disregard of morals and how the law is and should be and any sympathy with completely innocent victims of perhaps the worst crimes imaginable. Again, I wonder what your purposes on these threads are? This seems like a weird, inexplicable and highly inappropriate disposition for a fellow victim to have, assuming you are one.

Again, I will reiterate:

The burden is upon the pharmaceutical companies, medicine, the doctors and the mental health system to possess and furnish safe medicines, not the patients!
In this day and age, they have the support, financial means and technological resources and knowledge to find and develop such safe and effective medicines and ensure and prove they are in fact safe and effective. This is especially true for psychiatry, mental health and antidepressants and antipsychotics.

I can imagine some allowances of dangers for other, newer, limited and very specific classes of drugs and individual drugs, all on a case by case basis, of allowing some limited liability (but not much) for their harms, when the patient is not deceived as to their dangers and the providers responsibly and fully disclose them and the providers are proven to be lawful, respectful, kind, moral, compassionate, honest and upstanding otherwise.

However, with mental health and psychiatry, we need to massive drastic action, awareness and oversight.

They’ve had 70 years to develop truly safe and effective antidepressants and antipsychotics and have long had the means to do so, but overwhelming and often irrefutable evidence shows they have not done so, that they deliberately deceive the public about the dangers and efficacy, they sabotage the efforts of victims and the public to get these dangers and lack of efficacy recognized, they retaliate against evidence based, honest critics, they commit falsifications of medical records and safety science, they prescribe and administer these drugs to people who don’t need them and cannot possibly benefit from them, that they don’t report side effects incidences to the wider medical community and government agencies, that they have never researched a treatment nor cure for most of the terrible injuries caused by these drugs (true for paliperidone and antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction especially), that they refuse to take action to address these problems, etc.

There is too much at stake and too many people at risk and too many people who have been hurt to justify shielding these culprits from the law and not addressing these problems fully in all the ways I discuss and plea for repeatedly!

Manufacturers are only required to warn you of known side effects. Their only responsibility is to warn the intermediary (your doctor and pharmacist) of known effects. They also have no obligation toward unique, oversensitive patients. You knew the warnings and decided to take the medication anyway because YOU judged and took the risk that your received benefit from the drug would outweigh detriment from the side effect. You would have no possible way of proving sexual dysfunction from invega, because you took several other meds that are KNOWN to cause sexual dysfunction AFTER you took invega. It's your responsibility to know what you're taking. I was and am extremely cautious of taking ANY med that has side effects after I found out the severity of invega!

You say I won't argue with you on a legal front - your posts are long-winded and extremely repetitive. Let me help you.

here is the legal definition that must be agreed upon by a jury to find someone guilty of rape: [w]hoever has sexual intercourse . . . with a person, and compels such person to submit by force and against his will, or compels such person to submit by threat of bodily injury."

Nobody had sex with you. I hate to agree with Ratched, but youre diminishing the concept of rape by trying to use its extreme connotations to further your point in a false way.

here is the legal definition of strangulation:

"Strangling" means intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly impeding the normal breathing or circulation of the blood of a person by applying pressure to the throat or neck."

Nobody applied pressure the the throat or neck. Not only that, but whatever loss of breath you experienced on Abilify wasnt bad enough to stop you from taking Abilify AGAIN.

the law doesnt finesse language. Things need to be clear. Your frantic way of trying to make what you experienced on invega sound worse by using terms like this shows that not only do you know nothing of law, but you also arent very well connected with reality. I really dont appreciate that, because if youre going to speak out against an AP you need to be extemely self-aware of your own mental state or no one will take you seriously.

I say all this
1. Fully agreeing that the invega injections should have never been approved by the FDA
2. Having obtained my paralegal degree (with high honors AFTER invega!)
3. Having worked in a PI attorneys office screening clients & those like you who are either delusional or looking for someone to blame for their life being shit (sometimes, even if someone is to blame, there is no viable suit!)

Please someone help me I didnt sleep last night and im scared to go to bed to wake up the next day. Its been 97 days since my injection and my symptoms arent improving, I can't relax I feel like im going to kill myself

You need to sleep, lack of sleep will put you at extreme risk for psychosis - try to find a psych you trustwho can help you and consider some AP pills until you stabilize (very easy to recover from). You don't want to end up in hospital and injected again.

First of all, there have been many successful class action lawsuits against the psychiatric pharmaceutical companies that exacted hundreds of millions and billions of dollars from the leading companies--Eli Lilly, Janssen, Otsuka, Bristol Myers Squibb, etc. including the gynecomaestia lawsuit regarding paliperidone and Invega! This matter also is not a small percentage of the population. Consider the usage rates I cited previously--more than 260 million unique people worldwide on antipsychotics in the last 10 years! Vastly more for antidepressants! 16 million unique Americans on antispychotics recently! And 34 million unique Americans on antidepressants recently! These translate to HUGE numbers of victims!

You are discussing litigation and the courts of law as if its some freaky niche cause. I have already alluded to the previous successful litigation. This is not a freaky niche cause, it is a necessary and major step of recourse for victims like ourselves, there is a reason our courts of law exist!

I am encouraging people to not only consult lawyers but do countless other actions, many of which, again, are so basic that it is unfair to call it a "cause" when they are basic activities of our society.

There is plenty of incentive for lawyers to take these cases because they have overwhelming evidence, great merit, many courses of action, great moral importance to and service to so many aspects of society, relate to very important laws and terrible crimes, etc. They should win in the court of law. Why anyone would think they cannot or this is not the case is an additional discussion. Why can't they win? A society in which the courts of law do not return reasonable judgments when the previous conditions have been met--overwhelming evidence, great merits, many courses of action, great moral importance, relevance to many important laws and terrible crimes, etc--is a society where the courts of law are corrupt, plain and simple and law and order has serious problems. If we live in such a society, we ought to do something about such a fundamental problem.

Your point about cross examination, personal legal and mental health information, etc. is a good point, in terms of likely, but immaterial, unjustified, vicious tactics by pharmaceutical companies and defendants and reticence on the part of plaintiffs.

But it is still not material to, especially, class action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for the dangers of their medications! The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable and the conduct of the victims does not at all affect or impact the dangerousness of these drugs and cannot be used as an excuse by the pharmaceutical companies. These drugs are also given to completely innocent victims who never committed crimes, had behavioral problems or were psychotic, not only because of the phenomena of misdiagnoses but also because antipsychotics are marketed as bogus treatments for non-psychotic disorders!

The argument that some of the worst crimes imaginable are justified and legally excused because some of their victims, not all of them, have had considerable behavioral problems, legal and psychiatric issues, is not valid. These harms far outweigh the benefits of the supposed therapeutic functions. They are also bogus arguments because pharmaceutical companies, medicine and doctors, as I said previously, have a responsibility to provide safe and effective medication. They also have had 70 years to do so and currently possess vast resources, technology, support and so forth to actually develop such safe and effective medication, so there is little excuse. They also have an irrefutable course of misconduct, especially insofar as concealing the dangers of these medications is concerned! The criminological and social control argument for administering dangerous drugs with complete impunity, zero remorse, zero responsibility, zero liability and with total invincibility is unbelievably dangerous, immoral and insidious and resembles genocide and atrocities in world history and corrupts many of the fundamental institutions, professions, industries and disciplines of our society! Especially since unbelievable numbers of people who are not very dangerous at all and large numbers of people who are completely innocent are affected!

Class action suits have to prove harm to the plaintiff and prior knowledge by the defendant.

You have neither of these things.

 

[prinzfrost]

You have a point. I have a point. We can agree that there are people that have been seriously harmed by AP's .

You have said several times that you can get nobody to listen to you. That you have contacted multiple lawyers and been turned down by all. That you have written hundreds of letters to multiple organizations and that you NEVER get a response. Doesn't that tell ya something ? It speaks loud and clear to me.

If you wanna fight the good fight and go up against the big boys I wish you luck. I hope one day you will succeed.

What I think you are implying (I could be wrong) is still insulting and if you want to imply that, why not say it explicitly and give evidence for why you think this is true?
That my writing style is somehow lacking according to moral, legal, interpersonal and writing/communicative percepts; that I am somehow irrational, ranting, unreasonable and/or suffering from a mental illness. You and other critics simply make blanket statements without any evidence whatsoever, without referencing a single sentence in my writing, except for the matter of the sexual assault interpretation of administration of antipsychotic drugs, which I explained and justified in detail and no critic has addressed my details and arguments but again have simply made blanket statements without evidence.

Like Einstein said, when hundreds of German scientists signed a petition to condemn him, essentially, to paraphrase it, truth is truth, independent of supposed consensus and opinions.

Consensus and opinions are important but they need to be contextualized with other evidence as well as other opinions and consensus. There are many experts, attorneys, doctors, mental health professionals and members of the public who agree with what I discuss and allege. Unfortunately, not enough of them have committed to taking adequate action on these matters as their seriousness merits!

In some cases I have gotten responses. All of these responses were insufficient, however. Law firms reject people like me all the time without disclosing reasons--this is not a unique phenomena I'm experiencing but happens to countless other people all the time, although there isn't enough data collected about this problem, which is a serious problem, since if law firms can arbitrarily shut off the public from access to legal assistance and advice, they have disempowered the public and help to perpetuate the perversion of justice, the invincibility of criminals and the decline of law and order.

I was told by an attorney in my state who practices in medical malpractice that he turns down 199 out of every 200 clients that come to him! He did not reference any lack of merit or evidence on the part of clients--the only excuse he provided was that he is selective and these cases are very expensive and hard to win and have limited damage caps. He did say the evidence has to be strong, but, again, who doesn't believe that evidence needs to be strong in the court of law? The matter is that attorneys and law firms are not transparent, honest or reasonable about what constitutes strong evidence. When they reject clients without even giving them reasons, like that their evidence was weak, we just don't know.

This trend in private law and the aforementioned attorney's testimony, from my state, of the prospects in medical malpractice, is not only an overreach of the freedoms of private enterprise for the former but a clear indiction, in the latter, of corruption in our legal system! If worthy plaintiffs who have strong evidence are consistently and overwhelmingly losing in the courts of law and not attaining reasonable judgments, our justice systems are corrupt!

I have gotten some responses from NGOs and from various other contacts and professionals--some say they lack the resources or focuses to help, others simply make excuses and cannot commit to providing any help or taking action. Some have said hopeful things like they want to hear from more victims!

"It speaks loud and clear to me." You and I have two different interpretations. What it says to me is that corruption, callousness and injustice are prevalent. Overwhelming and irrefutable evidence elsewhere already supports these notions and so it is an appropriate framework of interpretation. Your framework of interpretation is not appropriate, because you have no evidence for it, relating to my writing style or mental health. But this is assuming what I'm thinking that you are implying is true. I could be wrong.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

All that needs to be said is what Kaatrina said. She was spot on and 100 % correct.

Lets just all move on. No more rape comments.

Just go back to talking to each other about your daily struggles.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

I deleted the offensive thread that was reported.

 

[Merek]

I got to go on a long streak

Well ya ofc but like what are you gonna do to cope with withdrawals? for me exercising helps a ton, staying sober off weed helps since weed makes me horny and often relaspe on porn, eating clean helps, going outdoors helps, and although I wouldn’t recommend you do this without doing tons of research and knowing your brain chemistry well first micro dosing LSD helps a lot too.

 

[Merek]

No i havent had a chance yet to try either mescaline cacti or shrooms. Ive been abit to broke lol. But i will keep you up to date

ya igy I wouldn’t just assume you aren’t able to trip if you haven’t even tried it yet some people can on APS, when I was 5 months off invega sustenna it was still effecting me quite a bit but I tripped on LSD no problem the only different thing about it was the visuals were dimmed down but other then that the experience was the same as pre injections I still got the euphoria, a higher sense of self awareness, the psychedelic headspace, the intense rush of energy etc.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Not gonna sit here all night and delete your posts @prinzfrost

You can move on and cease and desist with the false rape allegations or I can cease and desist for you.

Your choice.

 

[prinzfrost]

All that needs to be said is what Kaatrina said. She was spot on and 100 % correct.

Lets just all move on. No more rape comments.

Just go back to talking to each other about your daily struggles.

I disagree with this. What Kaatrina said was not spot on, nor 100% correct but quite vastly incorrect. I have given comprehensive evidence and arguments for my claims and for my disputes/responses to the criticisms of others, including Kaatrina. I have not received an adequate, detailed and evidence-based response at any time.

These are extremely important matters I've always been discussing. Terrible crimes have occurred, directly relevant to the victims in these threads, to their injuries, to their recovery, to their well-being, etc. These are directly relevant to "daily struggles."

It is not appropriate to be dismissive of these extremely serious and relevant matters, unless you have reason to do so, unless their is strong evidence that refutes my evidence and my claims.

These threads on the bluelight forum are the definitive community and forum, in all the internet and all the world, brick & mortar, as well, for discussion of both paliperidone-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction (to the best of my knowledge) and I've asked others to show me any other forums that rival this one in this regard but have not received a response. The moderators on these threads have a duty to the posters, to these victims and to society. I have worked very hard to try to illuminate why these matters are important--my efforts have usually been very well received on these forums but today, it seems, the current regulars have been unexpectedly offended by them and not appreciative at all. These responses are not justified and I have tried to make clear why, while hoping to get more details and evidence from the posters today why they have these strong opinions.

I am not trying to pick quarrels, I just want to have constructive conversations. When I give strong opinions, I try to provide as much evidence as possible. The others on this thread today should do the same and refrain from characterizing me in a defamatory way without any evidence. These matters I discuss should be defended from unreasonable attacks on them. They are of profound moral importance and direct importance to the thread subject, to posters and victims and the larger cause it represents. No, I did not invent this "cause." If there are vast numbers of victims of psychiatric drug induced injuries, this is a "cause" that exists, independently of me, independently of me calling it so.