Mental Health Coming off Invega (Paliperidone, Xeplion) injections v 6.0

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I want my life back. Weed not working sucks big time! When will I ever heal?
If all I cared about was feeling substances I’d be 100% recovered but nah there’s so much more to life then that I’ll consider myself fully recovered when I can 100% workout like I used too and feel good after it like pre invega, when I feel meaning in friendships/relationships, when I enjoy socializing as much as I used too, when I find being in nature as peaceful as before, when I can enjoy video games/tv shows like before, and when I can be as productive as before.
 
If all I cared about was feeling substances I’d be 100% recovered but nah there’s so much more to life then that I’ll consider myself fully recovered when I can 100% workout like I used too and feel good after it like pre invega, when I feel meaning in friendships/relationships, when I enjoy socializing as much as I used too, when I find being in nature as peaceful as before, when I can enjoy video games/tv shows like before, and when I can be as productive as before.
Same here after all those things I would consider myself 100% too.
 
If all I cared about was feeling substances I’d be 100% recovered but nah there’s so much more to life then that I’ll consider myself fully recovered when I can 100% workout like I used too and feel good after it like pre invega, when I feel meaning in friendships/relationships, when I enjoy socializing as much as I used too, when I find being in nature as peaceful as before, when I can enjoy video games/tv shows like before, and when I can be as productive as before.
Ketamine works with paliperidone in the blood but it is not the same as weed. When I am able to get high on weed again then I am recovered imo.
 
Do not provoke with comments like this please.


Not even TWENTY FOUR HOURS after I made my post about limiting masturbation discussion and you guys are already back at it again.

Please have respect for others in this thread who do not appreciate reading about your masturbation activities.

Would you guys like me to start a separate thread devoted to Invega and libido? Would that help? We are very understanding that it is a huge and very disruptive side effect of Invega and it is clear that you need to discuss it. However we must keep this particular thread a safe and inclusive space for everyone. I am serious about starting the Invega and sexual side effects thread, it has been on my mind the last week or so, because I want you guys to be able to discuss it, but just not in here.


I would also like to address the discussion in this thread of the use of illicit drugs. It is inappropriate to discuss using psychoactive substances including but not limited to stimulants, marijuana, deliriants and hallucinogenics. These substances ARE known to cause psychosis in some individuals and therefore it is potentially dangerous to openly discuss using these substances recreationally, or for self-medication purposes. We have an entire forum with subforums dedicated to discussing the use of these drugs. This thread is not the place for it. Therefore please refrain from discussing previous or current recreational drug use, condoning illicit drug use, or asking for advice on when you think it would be "safe" for you to begin using illicit substances again. Such posts will be edited or deleted by the mods or senior mods, and excessive posting on the subject may incur official warnings. Again, I encourage you to branch out to our other subforums if you wish to discuss using any illicit substances, just not in this particular thread please.

Thank you.
While I agree in large part with what you say, I think there are some important exceptions to consider.

Sexual side effects discussion considerations
While graphic, discussions of sexual activity on the topic of paliperidone/Invega and antipsychotics' notorious, established (literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus theoretical neurochemistry and first-hand accounts) links with causing perhaps the most severe, extensive and complete sexual dysfunction (erectile dysfunction, size reduction, low/no libido, sexual anhedonia (loss of all sexual and romantic pleasure, well beyond orgasm), weak and abnormal, pleasureless orgasms, loss of romantic pleasure and faculties, even beyond sexual) known and possible to mankind (with the exception of antidepressants that can cause just as severe and permanent post-SSRI/post-SNRI sexual dysfunction) (no other substance, poison or weapon known to mankind is able to achieve such destruction, to my knowledge) would seem to be extremely warranted and unavoidable. It would seem that graphic discussion of sexual problems and the severe harm, suffering, distress, humiliation, loss of social-functioning, isolation and suicidality that it causes, would be in the interests of public welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of bluelight.org, with the exception of any rules on obscenity. Perhaps a compromise may be reached, with posters on these paliperidone (and any antipsychotic and antidepressant threads) in the interests of abiding by non-obscenity rules, toning down their discussions on the sexual side effects and making them more sterile and medical.


Psychotropic substances discussion considerations
As for the matter of "illicit drugs," there are of course a couple of valid bluelight.org and arguably, generally-existing (even outside of bluelight.org) and accepted policy considerations. It is true that most of these "illicit drugs" do, in fact, remain largely illegal in most jurisdictions in the entire world--therefore, there is some basis to restrict its discussion based solely on illegality of subject matter alone.

It is also true that these "illicit drugs" can contribute to psychosis, especially in individuals with an already established and admitted history of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and problems, in any degree of severity. However, it is also true that these "illicit drugs" do not contribute to (have not been noted or found to contribute to) psychosis in many people, whether they have psychotic problems in any degree, whether they have other mental health issues, or whether they are in fact totally free of mental defect whatsoever. Nevertheless, in the interests of harm reduction, it could be justified to restrict discussion of "illicit drugs," or psychotropic substances.

However, since psychotropic substance discussion, or "illicit drugs," is allowed elsewhere on the site, in designated areas, perhaps we might consider exceptions, especially when we consider other extremely important and justified reasons of profound public significance, which I will go into elaborate detail later. Consider that the policy restriction on discussing "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, is a bit arbitrary and circumstantial. Paliperidone/invega recovery/side effect threads (as might similar threads on other antipsychotics) just happen to be in the Dark Side section. It doesn't necessarily have to be. Of course, the Dark Side section is focused on mental health recovery in general and harm-reduction, and ostensibly, its overt philosophy is "drug-free", or at least "illicit drug" free or psychotropic drug-free, "sober-living" etc., since these psychotropic drugs can, in some people, both cause harm, dependence and/or abusive use, and harm in that addiction/dependence/abusive use. Additionally, the explicit policy of the Dark Side section is to discourage and outright prohibit discussion of said "illicit drugs," or psychotropic drugs, because, ostensibly, the section is for people who have had problems with said drugs. However, like I said, the association of antipsychotic troubleshooting threads, like these paliperidone/Invega ones, with the Dark Side section, may be arbitrary and circumstantial. It may be partly justified since antipsychotic users can have mental health issues (but, importantly, there is the phenomenon of misdiagnosis, which I talk about later, which leads to people who are completely free of mental health problems being misled or even being forced to use antipsychotics that can be extremely dangerous while having no benefit whatsoever to these people who don't have psychotic problems at all!) as well as substance-abuse problems. However, we must consider that there are many users of antipsychotics (even beyond some not having mental health problems at all) that don't have harm/addiction/dependence/abusive/psychosis-inducing use problems related to these same "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, and in fact, benefit from them.

While many people in these threads cite "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances in the context of recreational use, many many others are very obviously talking about these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances clearly in the context of medical use. In spite of their illegality in many jurisdictions and adversarial medical opinions on their usefulness, they have at the same time, become increasingly legal in many jurisdictions around the world and are being more and more recognized as having valid, proven medical, therapeutic usefulness. If you consider further arguments I am about to share, then you may understand why this increasing legality and scientific as well as public recognition of medical and therapeutic usefulness is so important to the discussion of antipsychotic and paliperidone/Invega troubleshooting, recovery, healing (from the side effects of depression and sexual dysfunction), such as in these threads, and why it is so relevant to the interests of public health and welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of the bluelight.org forum.

The overwhelming theme of all the paliperidone/Invega threads, which are ostensibly for any side effects from paliperidone, as well as other issues unrelated to side effects (but, largely side effects and recovery from them), has become the overwhelming report and propensity for paliperidone/Invega to cause depression and sexual dysfunction. The depression and sexual dysfunction paliperidone/Invega is said to cause, on these threads (and that I can confirm in my own terrible experience and non-stop, incurable life-destroying suffering of 14-15 months straight now), is invariably severe. It is invariably without a cure and effectively incurable (total relief and healing) and mostly untreatable (no relief whatsoever). Discontinuing the offending antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) and waiting on Father Time and the human body does not count, technically, as a cure or a treatment, especially because these measures do not yield quick enough results in most cases (by the standard of what a "cure" and an effective, relief-giving "treatment" should be), and even for the people who are lucky and recover within 0-4 months, they still suffer unacceptably and terribly. The depression and sexual dysfunction caused by antipsychotics and paliperidone/Invega specifically, which is all backed up by scientific literature, doctors' opinions and experiences, consensus scientific neurochemistry and thousands of first-hand accounts, even beyond the bluelight.org forum, is,
as I said, almost unparalleled in the entirety of medical and human history (with the notably exception of the similar antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction), a huge matter of public importance and, as I said, invariably severe, incurable, life-altering, unbearably painful, incapacitating, isolating, suicide-increasing and sometimes permanent! The coincidence with other mental health conditions may exacerbate difficulties and suffering (but some people, like myself, have no mental health issues or even psychotic problems ever, in the first place, and were placed on the drug inappropriately, which I discuss later). More importantly, the phenomenon of psychiatric misconduct (which I discuss later) is one, unfortunately, that many people who come down with antispychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction also experience and suffer from. Therefore, in addition to all the harm that this terrible condition, which the public remains uninformed about to the present day (but has been known about to science for decades, for antipsychotics at wide, while paliperidone/Invega has been on the market for "only" 17 years), causes in and of itself, the mistreatment that sufferers typically experience at the hands of psychiatrists, as well as the callousness, uncaring attitudes and lack of action by other collaborating and non-collaborating (with psychiatry) institutions, disciplines, industries and professions of society, exacerbates suffering, isolation, hopelessness, abandonment and suicidality.

Because there is no known cure whatsoever (I have made extensive research into this matter and contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists and none know of a cure, much less a proven treatment), nor even a cure theoretically possible, as I'll discuss in further detail later, as well as no established, proven treatment (to provide any relief whatsoever)--particularly in the realm of traditional psychiatric medication, like serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and adrenergic antidepressants, as well as viagra, cialis (only for erectile dysfunction and not for the other problems, but even for these problems, it does not work in many people, like myself, and also is known to cause increased risk of skin cancer melanoma) and off-label sexual dysfunction treatments (like wellbutrin, pramipexole, other restless legs and parkinsons' drugs that are dopamine agonists, as well as buspirone, addyi, and vyleesi). Since established or prospective, legal psychiatric drugs ostensibly do not cure this condition nor provide any proven relief whatsoever, it is only natural for people suffering from our condition to look for alternatives and look towards "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances which are becoming increasingly legal and whose medical and therapeutic benefit is increasingly acknowledged by science and the public.

The use of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, in our particular circumstance, is especially justified from a medical and therapeutic benefit point of view, since, in addition to the existing and growing legality and acknowledgement of medical and therapeutic benefit for many conditions from various etiologies, there has not been any research done into its promise for benefit to our condition in particular, the otherwise incurable, untreatable and terrible antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction.

Our condition is so terrible that people are, understandably desperate for any cure or treatment to provide any relief whatsoever, in order to escape the dimension of hell that they suffer in without hope otherwise. This desperation and unbearable pain and suffering and hopelessness drives many to risk their lives, further (beyond the risks that antipsychotics pose, which I discuss later), in playing the Unproven Treatment Lottery, which, when it comes to psychiatry and its typical offerings, invariably ends in disappointment, never winning or benefiting, and often suffering from or taking unbelievable risks in, side effects from these unproven psychiatric treatments that are nonetheless otherwise mainstays of psychiatry--side effects that can themselves simply add to the already unbearable suffering, side effects that can be serious, sometimes incurable and sometimes life-destroying, long-term and even permanent!

It can be argued as true, for quite a few people, that these "illicit drugs" and psychotropic substances, which are now being examined (by us, not the medical community, because the medical community at wide does not acknowledge--in spite of the scientific and first-hand evidence--antipsychotic caused depression and sexual dysfunction that is invariably severe, and the medical community also does not care about our problem at all! which I discuss later) produce far less severe, if any, side effects, and at any rate, substantively different ones, than the said, widely accepted psychiatric drugs (that are invariably ineffective in treating our specific condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction). Like I said, this possible therapeutic benefit has to be balanced with the two camps of individuals--those who are not negatively affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing, as well as those who are affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing.

But the severity and magnitude of antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction, along with the promise of (and safety of, for many people) psychotropic drugs, must be weighed against the potential for harm for some people (of said psychotropic drugs) and the possibility of ineffectiveness of psychotropic drugs in helping solve the problem or providing relief for antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction. I believe the potential benefits outweigh the potential harm, although the potential harm must always be discussed. I believe the condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so severe, that it justifies this discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, particularly as a medical therapy (as opposed to merely pleasure seeking or personally-developing or spiritual recreational use).
  • Weed is increasingly legal across many parts of the world. Its benefits are ostensibly attested to by many. Science, medicine and psychiatry are particularly, arguably unfairly biased against psychoactive cannabis, and have not conducted fair research into its benefits for depression, its benefits overall and its medical benefits, although some favorable research does exist.
  • Psilocybin has become legal in very few, but still a few, jurisdictions, in the world, for therapeutic and doctor-approved, monitored use, in depression and other mental health uses. Scientific research has been done into its mental health benefits and more needs to be done. Science, medicine and psychiatry have been, arguably, historically biased against such acknowledgment and research, but attitudes are quickly changing.
  • Ketamine in various forms is already been used off-label as a depression treatment. Esketamine is FDA approved for use in treatment resistant depression and depression with suicidal features.
  • MDMA's therapeutic benefits have been known and surmised for some time, and while not yet approved or legal for therapeutic purposes (to my knowledge), increasing amounts of scientific research has been done indicating favorability.

Other psychotropic substances remain illegal almost universally, to my knowledge, and little if any scientific research has been done into their therapeutic and medical benefit, particularly for depression, although I think this needs to change and I believe there is an argument for their therapeutic and medical benefit, especially for depression.

Since these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances are increasingly being researched as, particularly depression, treatments and increasingly being legalized and allowed as such, therefore it would be logical that people suffering from otherwise incurable, invariably severe, unbearably painful, life-destroying, often long-term and sometimes permanent antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction) would look to them for the possibilities of benefiting in any way!

Furthermore, in the justification of their discussion for medical therapy in our circumstance, we must seriously consider some other very important reasons:

  1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
  3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
  4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
  5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
  6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
  8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
  9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
  10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury, in psychiatry, that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.
  11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
  12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
  13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists

1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
Extensive literature exists confirming that antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causes sexual dysfunction to a considerable degree--first-hand accounts still seem to indicate that this incidence is even higher than literature acknowledges
Psychiatrists, in private clinic and in-patient hospital settings, also testify the same.

The literature on antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causing depression claims it is rare but not absent--first-hand accounts directly contradict this and indicate it is common, if not sometimes (in the case of paliperidone/Invega especially) universal! However, there are many reasons to hold these official side effects studies with suspicion:

A. Psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies have a history of misconduct regarding antipsychotics side effects studies
B. Many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit syndrome
C. The consensus scientific neurochemistry on antipsychotics fundamental mechanisms, on antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunctioning and on psychiatric symptoms commonly reported by people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, namely i. NIDS, ii. general anhedonia, iii. sexual anhedonia/low libido, iv. musical anhedonia, v. coffee (or loss of sensitivity to coffee), directly support a scientific mechanism whereby antipsychotics directly cause all these problems. These consensus neurochemistry theories all concern the dopamine system. Antipsychotics are believed to cause their antipsychotic effects as well as terrible side effects, including depression and sexual dysfunction, via their primary mechanism of inhibiting many dopamine receptors (they are potent dopamine antagonists). The dopamine system is also held to be the primary explanation involved with the aforementioned five problems/symptoms. Therefore, skepticism towards antipsychotics causing depression cannot be warranted, and official side effects studies that report antipsychotic-induced depression as rare should be held with great suspicion, since it directly contradicts the ostensible propensity of antipsychotics, via their direct mechanisms, to directly cause the primary mechanisms held to be involved in these depression/sexual dysfunction symptoms (which can have non-medication etiologies, by the way).
D. because many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, they are likely to misattribute any depression that arises in patients taking antipsychotics (as side effects) to other erroneous causes (quite irresponsibly), like pre-existing psychiatric disorder (even when it can be precluded), "anxiety" (even when it has never existed in the patient), other medications (even when none of those other medications are known to cause depression nor does the theoretical consensus neurochemistry support such a mechanism for doing so), etc. The science of psychiatry confirms the existence of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, coined in 1992, for over 30 years (basically, antipsychotic-induced depression)--the lack of awareness or deliberate non-acknowledgement by many psychiatrists, as well as the pitiful, almost complete worldwide absence (in those 30+ years) of research into NIDS is no excuse nor proof that NIDS does not exist or is not prevalent, but simply an indication of the irresponsibility and lack of caring, initiative and effort by psychiatry, and indeed, the lack of abiding by the tenets of medicine.

However, in spite of all of this, most psychiatrists continue to not warn their patients taking antipsychotics of the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction at all! In the rare event they do (which I know no confirmed case of, of psychiatrists, in-person, verbally warning their patients), they may be surmised to (based on promotional material on antipsychotics and their side effects by many mental health organizations, that I cite at the end of this post) severely downplay and distort those risks, implying that the depression and sexual dysfunction they cause are mild, painless, easily reversible and easily treatable, whereas the exact opposite is true--I have not heard of a single case of mild, painless, easily treatable or easily reversible (compared the usual reversibility of reversible side effects in all medications, including psychiatric drugs, which typically will happen 0-5 days after discontinuing the offending medication) antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction, not a single one! Please correct me if I am wrong and share evidence.

This is made worse and/or perhaps justified (in their eyes, but its no excuse, since the literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus neurochemistry theories and thousands of first-hand accounts indicate otherwise and psychiatrists must be informed and not rely solely on drug company drug labels and/or mental health organization promotional materials) by the pharmaceutical manufacturers' official drug labels for antipsychotics downplaying the risk of depression and sexual dysfunction, or, as in the case of paliperidone/Invega, omitting it entirely! as well as the overwhelming tendency of mental health organization promotional materials on antipsychotics and their side effects to do the same, either downplaying and distorting or omitting entirely the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction (which I link to at the end of this post).

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/022264s023lbl.pdf

I have confirmed these verbal non-disclosures by psychiatrists in both my own experience, in the testimonies of others, and via inquiry and questioning with other psychiatrists, clinics and hospitals. This non-disclosure is the norm.

2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:

Part of the reason for the lack of societal action or acknowledgement at all, of the dangers of antipsychotics, is the social issue. People who take, are prescribed, or forced to take antipsychotics are assumed to be psychotic (in the case of misdiagnosis, this is not true). Psychotic individuals, who in reality, exhibit varying degrees of dangerousness or lackthereof, and varying degrees of function, are blanket-held as being dangerous and threats to society, and treated as subhuman. Thus, there are some who do not care at all about the dangers of antipsychotics because they are "necessary" to treat and control "dangerous" psychotic individuals. The obligation is that safe medication be provided and that antipsychotics should meet some minimum safety standard, and that this obligation is on the psychiatrists and on medicine and not the patient!

Many people, in the public, in psychiatry and in institutions, industries, disciplines and professions that collaborate with psychiatry, like Medicine, Education, Academia, Psychology, abnormal psychology, clinical psychology, forensic psychology, Social work, Social sciences, Criminology, Law, law enforcement, Journalism, News Media, public policy groups, NGOs, government, Pharmaceutical Companies and Pharmacy, also feel that it is justified to outright lie (and therefore, commit criminal negligence, medical malpractice, breach of medical, professional and psychiatric ethics, commit willful deception, risk causing patients personal injury, violate the tenets of medicine, etc.) to patients about these unimaginably serious risks of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, because "unnecessarily alarming" the patient would lead to "non-compliance." That no person on the face of the earth and all of human history would want to take these antipsychotics when informed of the true risks, including of depression and sexual dysfunction, is obvious. That this would lead to "non-compliance" is an invalid, insidious and morally warped argument that lays blame on the patient, who is innocent, and excuses psychiatrists, who are guilty, for both lying and for providing dangerous drugs and not possessing safe antipsychotics--it is the obligation of the psychiatrist and of medicine to research, invent, find, test, possess and furbish safe medication!
If they want compliance, it is their responsibility to have safer medication, plain and simple.

Additionally, the harm caused by these antipsychotics, in regards to depression and sexual dysfunction they cause, as well as numerous other side effects, some acknowledged and not acknowledged (that I discuss elsewhere, for example, see my discussion of my experience of terrible side effects from abilify), that can also be severe, incurable, long-term if not permanent, unbearably painful and life-destroying--all this harm far outweighs the risks of leaving the vast majority of patients with little or no antipsychotic medication (there are also non-invasive, non-medication therapies for psychotic disorders and symptoms), since many of these patients have varying degrees of severity (including no severity in those who have been outright misdiagnosed), with many retaining substantial degrees of function and posing no danger to themselves or others whatsoever. Even in the case of the most non-functioning and/or severely dangerous, severely psychotic individuals, forcing dangerous medication on them, while willfully denying the science and evidence of their danger and not disclosing nor taking this danger seriously and honestly, cannot be justified morally! It is a moral compromise of the highest degree, which is a terrible precedent to set for all of world society. We are excusing willful great harm, extensive misconduct, violation of practically every principle of medicine, and criminal behavior, in the interests of social policy, to keep "psychotic" individuals under control. This is a terrible slippery slope.

Again, I must stress, that the invariably severe, incurable, untreatable, unbearably painful, life-destroying, incapacitating, often long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, hopelessness inducing, suicide-increasing nature of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so widespread and so severe and harm causing, that we cannot every justify it morally, in any circumstance whatsoever, even in the most severe and dangerous circumstances, much less in the milder, non-dangerous circumstances. Additionally, turning a blind eye to the misconduct of psychiatry in these regards (as well as turning a blind eye to this same misconduct that many in collaborating institutions, professions, industries and professions actually agree with and, thus, enable, endorse or even participate in) is unacceptable and also risks enabling, endorsing and encouraging the other kinds of misconduct psychiatry commits (which I talk about later, extensively). Like I said, it is a moral compromise of the highest degree, beyond what most people consider and imagine.

Additionally, we must further be on the side of patients and suspicious of psychiatrists for reasons I discuss later, like;
the fact that the patients have their skin in the game regarding antipsychotics risks and the psychiatrists do not,
and the patients effectively, when it should be the psychiatrists who are responsible for this, actually do most if not all of the work on determining truly safe and acceptable antipsychotic candidates (which is an ongoing effort that psychiatry is not helping out with and will take untold ages, regarding which is the safest antipsychotic and on whether a truly safe and acceptably safe antipsychotic actually exists or not), while the psychiatrists, especially in regards to this terrible depression and sexual dysfunction, have deliberately done and will continue to do nothing, in terms of determining safety and pursuing safety.
I also discuss later that, while psychotic individuals may indeed have impaired perceptions and/or delusions, they are not known to be compulsive liars, and their impaired perceptions and/or delusions are largely unrelated to medicine, and I know of no case of "medical delusion" suggesting that these patients would lie about side effects. That so many thousands universally report the same side effects, like the severe depression and sexual dysfunction I constantly talk about, makes it further unlikely that any, much less all of these people, are lying or suffering from a "medical side effects" delusion, especially given that there is psychiatric literature, psychiatrists' testimony, scientific neuroscience consensus on directly related mechanisms that confirm the validity of all these thousands of first-hand testimonies!
On the other hand, psychiatrists have been known to lie very often (which I discuss in detail later) engage in extensive misconduct (which I discuss in detail throughout this post), have a conflict of interest relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that make antipsychotics (which would lead them to downplay or deny side effects risks) (the same pharmaceutical companies that have been sued and settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars, regarding misleading safety science and concealing side effects and other misconduct, of these same antipsychotics!), and, as I have said and say again later, have no skin in the game. Psychiatrists practically never take antipsychotics. Since they never have to be exposed to the risks of antipsychotics, they have less incentive than the patients who do have to risk their lives taking antipsychotics, to be realistic and truthful about potential risks. Psychiatrists don't take the antipsychotics they prescribe patients
The conflict of interest and lack of skin in the game should raise red flags all over the world--psychiatrists for these reasons, in spite of the expertise (and caring, honesty, medical integrity, etc.) that they are supposed to have, are thus questionable authorities on "side effects" risks of antipsychotics (that these risks, like depression and sexual dysfunction, should be called side effects, is a misnomer, because their prevalence as well as the scientific neuroscience, strongly supports that these are not side effects but fundamental, primary effects resulting directly from the main mechanism of antipsychotics, upon the main mechanism of which the side effects and symptoms are caused).
Finally, psychiatrists have been known to also engage in misconduct with, be abusive towards, etc. their "psychotic" patients, as I discuss later. This would give us all the more reason to suspect that they don't care about their "psychotic" patients (and even dislike them, undeservedly, and harbor malice, evidently) and are not trustworthy enough to provide safe care to these patients and prevent harm to them. That the public and society, and even patients themselves, should ignore all this evidence and not be alarmed, in the name of prudence, in the name of all that is right and good, is disastrous!


3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, and continue to discuss it subsequently.

4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, but I will mention a bit more.

Basically, it is up to the patients to fend for themselves. Many acknowledge they have continuing psychotic problems of some degree or another and are in fact highly interested and vested in finding safer, an ultimately, acceptably safe, antipsychotics. Essentially, these patients have to take the official side effects studies with a grain of salt, and assume that all acknowledged side effects are perhaps much worse and more common than the side effects studies admit, and then assume, with reasonable cause, that antipsychotics, any of them, can variously cause severe side effects that psychiatry largely does not acknowledge.

The matter of antipsychotics and taking them is essentially a minefield, a minefield that the patients alone have to wade through, while the psychiatrists themselves never enter it at all! The safe pathway through this minefield has yet to be definitively found. We need a minimum standard of safety in this minefield, there is little room for error! Because patients have won the data (psychiatrists have not, they simply take the data from the pure, primary source and do with it what they may, whether that be honesty, correcting the "mistakes" of patient reports, or outright distortion and lying) themselves, because the patients themselves have entered the terrible battlefield and no man's land and come back, we should always give them the greater benefit of the doubt and treat them and their testimonies and reports with respect.

Indeed, antipsychotics, in my experience and those of others, is, from a game-theory perspective, somewhat like a perverse game of Russian Roulette, where we all know that there are at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber, and quite possibly, the entire chamber is full. Now, the only difference in this case might be that, in the game of antipsychotics Russian Roulette, the gun chamber would arguably hold more than 6 bullets, and could hold quite a few. That doesn't change things very much, however, since, still, we all can reasonably believe that there at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber and, until the true safety and true risks of all known antipsychotics, in and of themselves and in comparison to each other, are conclusively determined, we can all reasonably believe, based on our own personal experiences with antipsychotics, based on others' first hand accounts, based on the literature and science, based on the misconduct, lying and distortion (of psychiatrists who downplay these risks), etc. that most or even the entire chamber, regardless of how many bullets it can hold, is potentially full of bullets!

This is why it will be my continual effort and life long project (among others) that I conclusively determine the true safety of all antipsychotics, together and by themselves, in the search for the safest one and the search for whether there are any acceptably, truly safe ones (even though I don't nor have ever needed antipsychotics).

Again, the psychiatrists, with no skin in the game and never being exposed to these risks at all, and with the evidence of misconduct, bias and conflict of interest, have little incentive, and certainly much less so than the patients, to conduct and conclude such a truly exhaustive, effort-requiring search. This is all in spite of what the standards of psychiatry are supposed to be. These psychiatrists are supposed to possess the scientific know how to conduct and complete such a search. They are also supposed to possess the ethics, the commitment to the tenets of medicine, the hardworking characteristics and responsibility and initiative, and the human compassion, required to conduct and complete such a search. Yet, they have systemically failed all of us in this regard, especially as it pertains to the terrible epidemic of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction.


5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously and will continue to discuss.

6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
There are no known cure for low libido and sexual anhedonia, wherein the physical health is fine (normal hormones, normal urology, no infectious diseases or congenital disorders, etc.). There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. There is no known cure or treatment for antidepressant induced sexual dysfunction (as I mentioned previously, see https://rxisk.org/prize/
There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression. The only research whatsoever I have ever found, in the annals of all of medicine and psychiatry, for antipsychotic induced depression are two Japanese (English-language) studies that feature case-studies of a grand total of only four Japanese people, in regards to treatment for Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. These individuals did not have sexual dysfunction (according to the researchers and treating doctors, at least). They also seemed to have the version of antipsychotic-induced depression which resolves itself, upon discontinuation of the medication and with Father Time and the human body, within 0-4 months. The studies did not indicate how quickly the patients healed. They did not indicate subjectives on the level of pain and suffering the patients were experiencing. While the patients were given ECT and two other antidepressants, it is not established whether these had any true effect on recovery. In my opinion, it was most likely entirely due to discontinuing the antipsychotic in question (none of which were paliperidone/Invega) and leaving it to Father Time and the human body to heal. That ECT is barbaric, invasive, seizure-inducing, scientifically ill-advised and known to cause both pain and harm, should make us question its use at all. The other two antidepressants have no special features which would suggest that they would be particularly suited, from a theoretical point of view, to cure Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. In other patients, like myself, with a long-term version of antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction), some of these same antidepressants have not proven effective or providing of relief at all. Simply put, there is not enough correlation evidence anywhere else to lead us to believe that these depression treatments given to these 4 Japanese people have any effect at all. The research pool and sample size is simply too small.

So, again, no treatment studies for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction have been done whatsoever in the west in all of history, to my knowledge (please correct me if I am wrong and you know otherwise!)


7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
Already discussed this.

8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
This should be self-evident, unless someone can provide me with evidence to the contrary.

Believe me, I want to see that evidence and have every incentive to want to see that evidence and not to lie! One of the goals of my life (extremely justifiable considering my suffering, the incurability of my antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the injustice, mistreatment and lack of help and caring I have experienced in regards to the problem and its resolution) is to advocate for the problem of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, in all its aspects! and of course, seek justice for this personal injury and find a treatment and a cure for it. This is obvious from all my posts on the bluelight.org forum threads for paliperidone/Invega, including this post, as well as my many writings, communications and advocacy efforts. I have contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists! I have contacted over 120+ news media, journalists and NGOs! All for these purposes!

So if anyone should know that the public is not informed about this problem, it would likely be me, because I am doing everything possible to reverse the situation and inform the entire world! but, unfortunately, I cannot get people to care, much less to provide any help or take any action whatsoever! I, of course, will never stop until this changes and we can attain real results. People like us who are suffering from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction need this help and action so badly!

There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:


9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
I talked about this previously but will expand upon it further, especially in regards to the main topic of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as medical treatment candidates for our condition (and thus, the justification for them to be discussed on these paliperidone bluelight.org forum threads).

It is my opinion that the damage that antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction causes and its related contexts--the invariable severity, the unbearable suffering, the destruction of life activities, the incapacitation, the long-term aspect, the sometimes permanent reality, the incurability and untreatability, the increased isolation, the hopelessness, the lack of help and the mistreatment, the increase in suicide--is so enormous and unique and irreparable, combined with the science that confirms this is a direct result of the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics, would support the world characterizing antipsychotics, especially paliperidone/Invega, as Illegal Weapons of War, per the standards of the Geneva Conventions and related international treaties and domestic laws. They cause unique (few if any other poisons, weapons or substances known to man can cause these), uniquely terrible, irreparable damage.

Additionally, since they typically cause no outward signs of injury, these antipsychotics have much in common with methods of torture like waterboarding and feet whipping. Those methods of torture have been abused throughout history precisely because they typically cause no outward signs of injury and thus, plausible deniability of torture having occurred can be cited by those who use these methods of torture. Thus, antipsychotics are rife for abuse as methods of torture, since they are so discreet and since there is little, if any public scrutiny, awareness or even caring about the issue. This discreetness and lack of scrutiny in their harm and the potential for them to be abused and exploited as weapons of torture, are all the more reasons to classify them as Illegal Weapons of War, and to raise public awareness about them as such.

I talk later about psychiatry's unbridled, unchecked power in the courts that explicitly undermines and violates procedural rules and traditions of fair and due process, rights to give testimony and defend oneself, rights to present arguments and counter arguments and rights to give evidence as well as examine and dispute evidence, etc. and how this unbridled power can be abused, not only in the pursuit of outright cruelty, but towards the ends of political oppression, which has already happened in China and can happen elsewhere in the world, and that this unbridled power of psychiatry and its consequences and specific powers and effects can be exploited by state and non-state actors (such as by the corrupt elements of other industries, disciplines, institutions and professions) and that the open, unchecked potential for this will invariably invite its exploitation, soon enough, and should be held by the entire world as being unacceptable, especially since it encourages and facilitates the spread of and/or increase of corruption, oppression, wrongdoing, lawlessness and misery elsewhere and in society as a whole.

Now, why is this relevant to finding a cure and a treatment? It is relevant to our theoretical speculation. No psychiatric drugs work as treatments or cures for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Therefore, we may want to seek more powerful substances, like said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, which may have a stronger effect on the neurochemicals and any permanent damage/inhibition/dysfunction that likely exists. However, there is already plenty of testimony that coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and even psilocybin have no effect whatsoever (which is basically unheard of and not even thought to be scientifically possible) on people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. We must then ask the question, is a treatment or a cure even possible?

When we consider my argument that antipsychotics are Illegal Weapons of War, that they cause such extensive, severe, unique and irreparable damage, we can also speculate that the current state of civilization, science and medicine is unable to solve this problem. There are knife designs which are illegal by the Geneva Conventions, international treaties and law, and domestic laws, because their design causes cuts that cannot be repaired and cause the victim to bleed out and die quickly. Our current state of civilization, science and medicine cannot remedy this. It may be a similar situation with antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Even if everyone in the world deeply cared and worked on this problem, even if we had all the expertise and money in the world, we may simply not be at an advanced enough state of civilization, science and medicine to solve the problem.

If no psychiatric drugs work, if even "illicit drugs" or powerful psychotropic substances (even the most powerful known to man!) do not have any effect whatsoever (much less, provide any relief or cure), if no known medicine, natural or synthetic, can solve this problem, then what can we do? We would have to invent or discover a substance or medication that is several orders of magnitude stronger, more effective, more advanced and different/unique from all known medicine and substances in human history thus far! Therefore, I say, there may be no cure or treatment possible.

Therefore, I say, we should at least consider the strongest psychotropic substances we have available, given these circumstances of lacking candidates for treatment and a cure of this problem of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. These are some of the most logical candidates to pursue, before concluding that the situation is currently hopeless.

I have argued, prior to, and now again, that there are two camps--those for whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" cause substantial benefits and do not cause side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, and those form whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" may or may not have benefits, but for whom any combination of side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, happen.

However, I believe the matter should be discussed and considered, nonetheless, because antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction demands a treatment and a cure--there is none so far, and it is invariably severe, life-destroying, incapacitating, unbearably painful, long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, suicide-increasing, etc. and the thousands of people confirmed to be currently suffering from it as well as the likely tens and hundreds of thousands of people who are likely suffering from it worldwide in all of history, should all justify discussion of ("illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances) being pursued as a treatment/cure candidate. There are also scientific ways to conduct safe trials, screening out sufferers of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction who are disposed to harmful effects, and allowing only those sufferers who are largely immune to (said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances') harmful effects and have demonstrated history of beneficial reaction.

10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury,
in psychiatry,
that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.

This is simply a summary/listing of all known misconduct, or at least, a comprehensive list of misconduct that I focus on, regarding psychiatry.

11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
I have already discussed this before and/or discuss it later.

12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
Many first hand accounts indicate that psychiatrists fabricate outright, distort and misquote patients, their admissions and sayings, and examples of symptoms and behaviors, especially in the context of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and disorders. Some of these can be disputed if they are completely uncharacteristic of the patient, have not occurred anywhere else and all other evidence suggests the contrary.
In other instances, psychiatrists do not abide by robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards. The norm should be that specific examples and details are cited, of patient behavior, admissions, symptoms, etc. that can be mapped to known, established, canonical, clinical specific behaviors and symptoms. Many times, psychiatrists do not abide by these standards, and may simply indicate "Yes/No" to a certain alleged behavior, symptom and/or admission. Sometimes, psychiatrists even resort to hearsay--vague allegations of psychotic behavior, for instance, that cannot reliably be mapped to these aforementioned, specific, known, established, canonical, clinical behaviors and symptoms. The problem becomes even more serious when you consider that most non-psychiatrists--who defer to them and esteem them as infalliable, with zero accountability in place--most of these non-psychiatrists lack an understanding or any interest in robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards, and thus not only might offer vague allegations themselves, but would be swayed by the vague allegations of others, including psychiatrists, and convinced by psychiatric reports that fall short of valid, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards.

Additionally, these robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards must support the strict criteria the DSM-V sets out. In many situations, psychiatrists violate this. They diagnose people with, for instance, schizophrenia even when the criteria are not met. A diagnosis of schizophrenia requires some combination of the required criteria--psychotic symptoms like hallucinations, delusions, thought disorders, disorganized thinking and speech, gross disorganization, swarthiness/dirtiness, flat affect/amotivation, etc.--repeated, during a period of 6 months, etc. For an active diagnosis, this period of 6 months should be recent, at worse, and really, should be current. Psychiatrists may give an active diagnosis of schizophrenia based on allegations from years past, for which there is no proof that they are continuing, have reappeared, etc. whatsoever! They do this, when really, the worst they should possibly do is to say the patient is long ago fully recovered from schizophrenia. Often times, these allegations from years past themselves do not themselves even constitute, for instance, schizophrenia (for any of the reasons I talk about, but specifically, for the reason of not meeting the 6-month requirement, etc.), but at most, a temporary psychotic disorder, and yet, these bad faith psychiatrists, violating the rules of diagnostics flagrantly, insist the patient has a currently active long-term psychotic disorder! The misconduct and bad faith boggles the mind. The bad faith clearly amounts to intentional spite and character assassination.

I have also experienced cases, particularly with my longtime and current psychologist, where the provider not only lied and invented observations of psychotic behavior and symptoms, but clearly acted in bad faith in its regards, also calling into question their integrity and legitimacy. My psychologist recently, for instance, noted, for several months of meetings (but not all of them), that I committed "loose associations/flight of ideas." I know the canonical examples of these. Some good ones can be found here (but certainly there are more):
I have never ever comitted loose associations/flight of ideas. He not only failed to give any examples, but he failed to even discuss the matter with me whatsoever! Additionally, my two psychiatrists during the same period made explicit observations to the contrary, that I had no such thought disorganization or verbal disorganization. All psychiatric and psychological providers are ostensibly supposed to help their patients, actively and continually, with all suspected and active mental health problems. If his observations on my "loose associations/flight of ideas" had any legitimacy whatsoever, he should have, of course, been transparent and discussed these with me in a timely manner. He never mentioned them once. When I confronted him, too late, he said he didn't remember. The same psychologist apparently has done the same thing to me in the past, without me knowing. In earlier years, he has claimed to other providers that I had thought disorganization and delusions (which I have never ever had). Unfortunately, my efforts are still ongoing and I need to confront him about this in our next meeting coming up in under a week.

For all these problems of misdiagnosis, we can surmise what happened and dispute it all we want, but the only surefire method of accountability and discovering the truth is audio and video evidence.

If audio and video evidence were mandated, especially in the context of psychotic disorders allegations/allegations of dangerous behavior, where the stakes are so high--if such evidence was mandated, that is, the psychiatrist would have to offer to conduct such evidence, with the consent of the patient--this would effectively eliminate 99% of all misdiagnosis and most other psychiatric misconduct. It would very likely push many naughty psychiatrists out of the profession altogether, after they realize they can no longer operate with impunity, without any public scrutiny or accountability whatsoever, and so their victimizing and abusive schemes would no longer be possible. For the same reason, psychiatry is likely to push back against audio and video evidence, even though in the 1950s and 1960s, for instance, it was common for psychiatrists and patients to appear together on video, for the sake of records of diagnostics. This requirement would be strict but easily done. It would require that audio and video evidence exist to document
any and all specific allegations of specific psychotic behavior, symptoms and admissions. It would require that this audio and video evidence be clearly mappable to known, established, canonical, clinical specific symptoms and behavior. It would require that this audio and video evidence directly support the full diagnostic criteria and requirements of a psychotic disorder, according to the DSM-V. Everyone in the world possesses smart phones these days. All these smart phones are capable of high quality video and audio recording, operated with ease, without any filmmaking, audio engineering, audiophile/musician credentials required, by everyone, including millions of little kids!

The privacy law and policy can be overcome with consent of the patient, who would surely want to hold their psychiatrist accountable (but may not want to divulge their psychotic symptoms, if they do indeed have them and admit to them).
At any rate, it is in the great interest of the public welfare and holding psychiatry accountable to eschew privacy, at least of the patient. Any privacy complaints on the part of the providers (not wanting to lose their privacy) is bogus, since they really only have to be off camera asking questions that are a standard procedure of their duties. Additionally, note that psychiatrists and hospitals regularly violate patients privacy, without their consent, and freely share psychiatric reports and medical data with law enforcement, government agencies and even non government entitites, because of the privacy law exemption of "need to know" in the "fulfilment of duties" by these other entitities. Why doesn't this extend to the public? Well, it does. Of course, there is a counterpart, the Freedom of Information Act. Otherwise, there would be a terrible imbalance of power. Essentially, psychiatrists, government and other organizations would be able to share patient data at will, while not being themselves subject to any scrutiny! They would have unchecked power to commit wrongdoing, while the public would have little ability to keep them in check. The purpose of FOIA, on the federal and state level, is to shine a light on government activities, specifically in the purpose of holding government accountable from abuses of power and lawbreaking. The FOIA is an exemption to the privacy law and policy, which applies to government entities and activities. Unforunately, it does not apply to private organizations like most, but not all, psychiatrists and hospitals, which is silly since they are themselves allowed to violate privacy and have unscrutinized power. When said psychiatrists and hospitals are carrying out Emergency Detentions, Involuntary Commitments, court-mandated community orders, or their diagnoses are otherwise pursuant to and authorizing government activities, government power and government mandates, these psychiatrists and hospitals could be argued to be contractors of the government and, arguably, seemleess, indispensable, extensions of government activity and therefore subject to FOIA. The point, however, is that psychiatrists have too much unchecked power.

Audio and video evidence then becomes even more important and singular as a measure of quality control and accountability and preventing abuse of power, misconduct, lying, etc. and shifting the balance of power back to the hands of the people, the patients, the public.

Government is supposed to be by the people, for the people. If they have unchecked power and are able to abuse it and break the law with impunity, then the citizens will suffer, the authority of the government will be invalid, law and order will be threatened, chaos and suffering and destruction will become widespread and society will go into decline.

Psychiatrists are supposed to serve the people, serve their patients and the public good and welfare, uphold the law, act ethically and morally, uphold medical and professional ethics, etc. If they have too much unchecked power, then, similarly, medicine will suffer, the public trust will be violated, the public welfare will suffer, law and order will be threatened, and suffering and corruption will spread.

This is why audio/video evidence is so important. There is no other way to disprove a psychiatric and psychological treatment provider, there is no other method of holding them accountable, there is no other method of proving that the provider has committed wanton misconduct and outright lies and fabrications! Unfortunately, the public and even the law holds psychiatrists in unquestioned esteemed, regarding them as infallibe in these regards, that their "word" is always superior to that of the patient. The only way to combat this, then, is irrefutable audio/video evidence (to the contrary).

For this reason, you will see me lobbying and advocating for the mandate of offering (with the patients consent) the requirement of audio and video evidence. I will lobby and advocate for this to the entire earth, to every government, every institution, every industry, every discipline, every profession, every organization, all of the public, etc. It is the holy grail and perhaps the only option of keeping psychiatrists accountable in regards to diagnosis and all the threats that result, all the misconduct that issues from this source.

13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists
I discussed this before, but my focus in this section is particularly in regards to people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Our mistreatment ultimately increases our suffering and only underscores the need to free us from the unbearable hell we are unjustly, undeservedly stuck in (and which is the fault of the explicit wrongdoing of others and not ourselves), and, thus, the exploration/consideration/discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as candidates for treatment and cures.

Many of us, including myself, who suffer from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction witness our psychiatrists deny these side effects came from antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega, even when the circumstances (no other medication being taken, no other possible candidate or cause) confirm it, even when the known science confirms it, even when all other causes, like negative symptoms of a psychotic disorder, pre-existing psychiatric disorders and mental health issues,
and other health problems (like abnormal hormones, abnormal urology, etc.) are all ruled out!

These psychiatrists may have a conflict of interest and want to deny the cause of the side effects, because, if they prescribed the antipsychotic in question, this admission may implicate them as incompetent and guilty of criminal negligence and breach of medical ethics and lack of duty of care. Some of them may simply be incompetent or outright cruel. At any rate, it is wrong.

They will typically misattribute the depression and sexual dysfunction to other causes, like "anxiety" (even when the patient has never experienced anxiety in their lives!), or attribute them to non-existent mental health issues, and/or lifestyle, behavioral, mindset and cognitive factors, even when these issues and factors were not present/not abnormal in the patients life before or ever (as is the case with me). This is not only incompetent and incorrect, but insulting.

In many cases of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, all these other factors and explanations can be ruled out with undeniable evidence. In most of these cases, the medication-caused depression and its specific total anhedonia and specific symptoms, like loss of ability to enjoy and engage in art, loss of religious faculties, loss of coffee and psychotropic substances sensitivity, loss of social and romantic faculties, loss of all pleasure and enjoyment and motivation in and from any source and activity, loss of exercise capacity, enjoyment, motivation and benefits, loss of beauty faculties, loss of ability to cook, loss of motivation to eat healthy, inability to go to school and to work, inability to take care of oneself and basic chores, loss of housecleaning abilities and faculties, loss of ability to take care of dependents and pets, etc. never existed prior (like my case, where I never had a problem with motivation, enjoyment and benefits from these activities and thrived in them all my life),
and so cannot be related to any pre-existing mental health problem.

Additionally, in many cases, lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition is a non-factor, because not only in many cases, is it true that the patient never had problems with these but were stellar with these (as my case), but in most cases that I know of, if not all, adjustments in lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition have no beneficial effect on the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. It is a fallacy on the part of psychiatrists and outsiders who believe otherwise. In non-medication etiologies, essentially etiologies that could be surmised to directly come from lifestyle/mindset/behavior, etc. these lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition factors, causes/contributors and therapies could be held as valid, but not in the case of medication-induced etiologies, especially antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, where the evidence suggests they play little if any role and offer no benefit. It certainly has not for me, and believe me, if the things I used to do and thrive in, could be continually done and could offer any benefit whatsoever (the precise symptoms and nature of this condition is that healthy lifesetyle, behavioral and mental practices no longer are effective, beneficial or even work in the first place, due likely to the fundamental mechanism of the offending antipsychotic) I would have noticed, desperate as I am to get out of the hell I am in.

Thus, psychiatrists' continual, incompetent or outright deliberate insistence that these problems are not from the antispychotic (which they are) but are due to deficits in lifestyle/cognition/mindset/behavior is highly insulting and essentially is character degradation and belittlement.

This reaches its xenith when psychiatrists, as I can testify to and others here can testify to, as well, deny that our medication-caused sexual dysfunction was, in fact, medication cause, or that it is severe as it is, or that it is as important as it is. One of my psychiatrists (and similar things have happened to others in my situation)--who of course had no expertise in sexual dysfunction whatsoever, never admitted such, never offered any drug or therapy, never suggested I see any other expert, doctor, urologist, sexual medicine specialist, or even psychiatrist with sexual dysfunction specialty authorized to prescribe sexual dysfunction drugs--and who, of course, denied the antipsychotic cause of it--belittled me and downplayed the importance of proper sexual functioning and the distress and pain with sexual dysfunction.

He told me, callously, tone-deaf (especially since his criminal negligence helped cause it in the first place) that I should find another source of pleasure (as if anyone should be denied their right to proper sexual functioning!), which itself was absurd, callous and tone deaf, because I was seeing him precisely because I was suffering from a complete void of any pleasure, any joy whatsoever.

Furthermore, many psychiatrists, including all my psychiatrists, deliberately interfere with our seeking treatment for these side effects of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. In spite of clear evidence for an active diagnosis of sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction and hyposexual desire disorder, not one of my psychiatrists at any time put any diagnosis whatsoever into the record, of such. This has gone on for almost 15 months! What a farce! I am continually pressuring me current psychiatrist to do so, but he continues to play games and refuses to put it into the records, in spite of verbally agreeing to do so. In time, I will complain to my state's licensing commission about his behavior and even seek litigation, news media coverage, NGO/watchdog help, etc. Unfortunately, these struggles with psychiatrists' deliberate detrimental and bad faith behavior, with psychiatrists not following through on reasonable promises, etc. are all too common.


14. Disclaimer, I am not antipsychiatry

I am not anti-psychiatry, I love psychiatry! Psychiatry fascinates me; effective, safe psychiatric care, treatment and medication is my passion! I love the Hippocratic oath, and medical efforts to gather and share data and findings and discover cures and treatments! I love unshakable ethics and honesty in psychiatry and medicine! I love due diligence!

That's why it's so important that errors and mistakes, misconduct, dishonesty, misdiagnosis and unsafe medication be identified, punished, resolved, prevented and removed from the profession! from psychiatry and medicine!

That's why laziness and negligence in gathering and sharing data, and laziness and negligence in finding and researching cures and treatments upsets me and should also be addressed, identified, discouraged and remedied

That's why any psychiatric lawbreaking in the legal context must also be identified, punished, resolved, prevented, remedied and removed! I love psychiatry, medicine and law and am very passionate about promoting and enhancing the good it does, while identifying, preventing and remedying errors, mistakes, wrongdoing, misconduct and bad, mistaken practices that are, that have, and that can occur in psychiatry, medicine and the legal profession!

I really care about psychiatry and I especially care about patients and that they receive the best health care possible and that are kept safe from harm, from errors and mistakes, from misconduct, from law-breaking!

Discussing and remedying these problems is in everybody's interest, and especially psychiatry's interests. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding, honest, caring, empathetic, humanistic, responsible, hard-working, full of high quality individuals who are mentally sound, kind, responsible, knowledgeable, widely experienced. Psychiatry is supposed to abide by rigorous, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards, based on known, established canonical and clinical specific examples of symptoms and behavior. Psychiatry is supposed to have effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be constantly searching for effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be, as medicine does, constantly reporting incidences of side effects and sharing information with the wider medical community in order to better undestand, better prevent, better treat and solve problems, side effects and diseases. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding and not subject to corruption or bias, nor enabling or participating in wrongdoing in their own profession or in conjunction with any other institution, profession, industry or discipline. Psychiatry is not supposed to allow itself to be exploited, at all, as a tool of political oppression. Psychiatry should not allow any of its psychiatric drugs, including antipsychotics, to be used as weapons. Psychiatrists are supposed to hold each other accountable. It is healthy for all professions, institutions, disciplines and industries to feature self and cross-criticism. Psychiatry is supposed to have accountability mechanisms, from within and without, for all of its activities, especially accurate diagnosis (precluding the possibility of lying, etc.), safe medication, and its power in the court context.
Psychiatry is supposed to have public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, to create a favorable balance of power, since they are in positions of great power and great fiduciary and public trust and privilege.

Without such public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, if there is an imbalance of power and no scrutiny, such great power and great fiduciary privilege will invite and encourage the worst kinds of people to take up residence. Who? People who like to hurt and victimize others, people who relish and abuse power, people with harmful personality disorders and even sociopathic, psychotic tendencies--these same people love to look for situations in which there is little public scrutiny or accountability, situations where there is an unchecked imbalance of power, situations in which there is great privilege and great power and great potential ability to harm. We know this from evidence from elsewhere in society and history: Abusers of the elderly, abusers of children, abusers of women, those who commit rape, those who commit theft, both white collar and blue collar, ponzi schemes, false accusations, false accustations of sexual assault, political oppression and torture, war, genocide and torture, extrajudicial murder, the examples go on and on.

Yet there continues to be little public scrutiny of psychiatry. There continues to be effectively little accountability mechanisms for psychiatry and some of its chief problems that I cite (like misdiagnosis, where I offer the audio/video evidence requirement solution) (and the legal process and its unbridled power there, which I offer some suggestions for solutions). There continues to be unintentional or deliberate lack of public awareness and societal action. And there continues to be almost zero criticism (correct me if I'm wrong and please share examples) of psychiatry and psychiatrists by psychiatrists themselves (to an extent that I have never seen in any other profession, institution, discipline, industry in all of known history!) as well as very little criticism of psychiatry by other institutions, disciplines, industries and professions, many of whom collaborate with psychiatry, too many of whom enable, endorse and participate in its errors, problems and misconduct, and most of whom should fundamentally, actually be holding psychiatry accountable.

I am advocating for these issues so intensely because not only are they such titanic issues of public welfare and societal importance, but precisely because there is, unbelievably, so little attention and action given to them. It is unprecedented in history. Never before in history has there ever been such intense and extensive systemic problems that have been so, largely, ignored by the rest of society!


15. Abilify--somehwat undocumented severe side effects, supporting probable cause to believe in the understated and unknown dangers of antipsychotics generally

I have discussed elsewhere on these threads how I took abilify and what severe side effects it caused me.

I took abilify twice in my life (for an extended period, 7-9 months each) and on both occasions, it resulted in severe, incurable, irreversible weight gain. Before I first took abilify, I was a skinny athlete and distance runner all my life. I have never gained any significant amount of weight (other than growing, which stopped when I was a sophomore in high school, and other than building muscle) in my life, except the two occasions I took abilify! Also, on both occasions, abilify caused me terrible central breathing problems (failure of the subcortex's function in autonomic breathing, caused by abilify), both waking and sleeping. Both times, it lasted one month and went away on its own, thankfully. It was terrifyingly painful and distressing, like being waterboarded or drowning. There is no known cure for any central breathing problem, and no established treatment. Inhalers did not help.

These two instances were ten years apart! I never had these problems anytime else in my life and abilify was the only medication I was taking when these problems developed!
Additionally, to support my claim that the weight gain was not only severe but incurable and irreversible, in the 10 intermittent years, in spite of having been off abilify for 10 years (and so it should have, like most side effects, been easily reversible, within 0-4 days, or within 1 month at least), I was never able to lose most of the weight. This is in spite of 10 years of religious daily exercise (distance running, sprinting, swimming, weights, yoga, sports) and religious daily healthy eating: I was a very accomplished and active cook; my diet was varied, including occasional meats, Vitamin B-12, EPA and DHA omega-3 fatty acids sources, from certain fish, like herring, for instance, and clams, mollusks, etc., including various foods like eggs and nuts, etc.; including many plant based foods; I often practiced extended bouts of vegetarianism, of veganism, and even raw veganism; I visited the Optimum Health Institute in San Diego, a raw vegan and lifestyle institute, three times. These rigorous practices would have been sufficient for most normal people to lose a lot of weight.


Conclusion; appeal to restore certain deleted and possibly deleted comments
I hope you may consider my reasons and allow discussion of sexual side effects and "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances on these threads, especially in the medical context of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and finding cures and treatments for it (none of which are known to exist). I hope you may consider undeleting/restoring any comments you may have deleted which could fall under these exemptions and justifications.

I, for instance, discussed weed/psychoactive cannabis, as causing psychosis (and/or harm/addiction/dependence) in some people, while causing no psychosis (nor harm/addiction/dependence) in others but offering extensive benefit. While I did not frame it in a non-recreational, explicitly medical context, I implied the medical context and the context of its potential use as a treatment/cure for our condition. Of course, like I said before, it should be noted that even though it should be considered a treatment/cure for our condition, our condition, the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, is typically so severe, that it innately seems to preclude being able to use (be affected by, enjoy, enjoy medical benefits from) "illicit drugs", psychotropic substances and particularly psychoactive cannabis in the first place! Such is the horror of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, that is shuts down/inhibits/damages the neurochemical receptors involved in all pleasure, many drugs and medications, and possibly all psychoactive substances. As I argued before, this is not a "side effect" but a fundamental action of the antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega (based on the consensus scientific neurochemistry, that I discussed previously). Thus, many if not all of us actively suffering from this condition are unable to enjoy or be affected by coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and other "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances. If we are not able to be affected by them, this would not only limit the hope of them being used as medical therapies in our particular circumstance (of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction) but it would at the same time largely shut down any concerns about psychosis-causing and/or addiction/harm/dependence, since for many of us, these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances wouldn't even affect us at all in the first place, much less affect us to the point of causing any harm.


Post-script
Here are links to the six threads on paliperidone's side effects from the bluelight.org forum with thousands of responses.

Of course, everyone on these threads are on these threads! So why am I reiterating them? Because I wanted to discuss some pertinent points about these threads:

Almost all posters describe severe, incurable and life-destroying depression and sexual dysfunction, to the exclusion of all other side effects cumulatively*--those side effects summated--by a factor of at least 100x! (according to the manufacturer drug label for paliperidone, all side effects acknowledged by the manufacturer--but not including depression and sexual dysfunction, which they omit--have a cumulative, summated incidence percentage of, in my rough calculation, 15-20% of all patients taking the medication): see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2010/021999s018lbl.pdf

https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone.701129/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v-2.749358/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v3.861790/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v4.894001/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-injections-v-5-0.912999/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-xeplion-injections-v-6-0.927257/
The bluelight.org forum threads on paliperidone, even in the age of social media and the internet, is a totally unprecedented testimony of universal side effects to a particular drug in a conspicuous drug class. Since most people suffering from psychiatric drug effects don't post on internet forums, much less find them, and since the reported incidence of these particular side effects is so universal to the multifactorial exclusion of all other side effects (which, summatted, are supposed to represent huge numbers of paliperidone users anyway), and given that 1-3 million people are on antipsychotics in the United States alone annually, the numbers of people suffering paliperidone caused depression and sexual dysfunction--which is invariably severe and incurable--in the United States alone, every year, is likely in the tens of thousands, at a minimum. Worldwide, over the 17 years paliperidone has been on the market, the numbers are unimaginable as is the human toll.
If we consider that any and all antipsychotics can and are known to cause depression and sexual dysfunction as well, the numbers of people suffering annually in the United States and worldwide from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is simply unimaginable, as well! And for all the decades these antipsychotics have been on the market (and they are heavily marketed worldwide, given pharmaceutical company proven-zealousness in business, and psychiatry's enthusiasm for prescribing them) countless people worldwide would have been affected. It is of course for this reason I am constantly searching to find these people in order to bring them out of the woodwork, gather their patient data and experiences, give them a voice, give them comfort, give them counseling, give them some relief and give them justice.

*this is also to the massive exclusion of manboobs, or Gynecomastia, which was the subject of litigation for huge amounts of money! See

Here is a list of websites, of major mental health organizations, regarding antipsychotics and their side effects, that omit or otherwise downplay the risks of these side effects:
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/treatments/drugs/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/common-adverse-effects-of-antipsychotic-agents-in-the-elderly
https://www.merckmanuals.com/profes...nia-and-related-disorders/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.goodtherapy.org/drugs/anti-psychotics.html
https://nyulangone.org/conditions/schizophrenia/treatments/medication-for-schizophrenia
https://www.wch.sa.gov.au/professionals/clinical-resources/antipsychotic-package
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Treatments/Mental-Health-Medications/Types-of-Medication
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...ons/Types-of-Medication/Paliperidone-(Invega)
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...cations/Medication-Induced-Sexual-Dysfunction
https://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/antipsychotic-medication
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/medicines-to-treat-schizophrenia
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/first-second-generation-antipsychotics
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/side-effects-of-lurasidone
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-146718/paliperidone-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-20575/geodon-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8661/haloperidol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1444/chlorpromazine-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1699/zyprexa-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5419/haldol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-9846/risperdal-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4718/seroquel-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-64437-4274/aripiprazole-oral/aripiprazole-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5557/loxapine-oral/details
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/antipsychotic-medications
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-...th-mental-illness/medications/antipsychotics/
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/mental-health-medications

As well as the https://www.youngminds.org.uk/ pages on aripiprazole, chlorpromazine, clozapine, olanzapine, quetiapine and risperidone.

I have contacted all of these websites about updating their inaccurate information, but only two have responded at all, saying that they will review the information for accuracy: Merck Manuals and Rethink.
 
While I agree in large part with what you say, I think there are some important exceptions to consider.

Sexual side effects discussion considerations
While graphic, discussions of sexual activity on the topic of paliperidone/Invega and antipsychotics' notorious, established (literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus theoretical neurochemistry and first-hand accounts) links with causing perhaps the most severe, extensive and complete sexual dysfunction (erectile dysfunction, size reduction, low/no libido, sexual anhedonia (loss of all sexual and romantic pleasure, well beyond orgasm), weak and abnormal, pleasureless orgasms, loss of romantic pleasure and faculties, even beyond sexual) known and possible to mankind (with the exception of antidepressants that can cause just as severe and permanent post-SSRI/post-SNRI sexual dysfunction) (no other substance, poison or weapon known to mankind is able to achieve such destruction, to my knowledge) would seem to be extremely warranted and unavoidable. It would seem that graphic discussion of sexual problems and the severe harm, suffering, distress, humiliation, loss of social-functioning, isolation and suicidality that it causes, would be in the interests of public welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of bluelight.org, with the exception of any rules on obscenity. Perhaps a compromise may be reached, with posters on these paliperidone (and any antipsychotic and antidepressant threads) in the interests of abiding by non-obscenity rules, toning down their discussions on the sexual side effects and making them more sterile and medical.


Psychotropic substances discussion considerations
As for the matter of "illicit drugs," there are of course a couple of valid bluelight.org and arguably, generally-existing (even outside of bluelight.org) and accepted policy considerations. It is true that most of these "illicit drugs" do, in fact, remain largely illegal in most jurisdictions in the entire world--therefore, there is some basis to restrict its discussion based solely on illegality of subject matter alone.

It is also true that these "illicit drugs" can contribute to psychosis, especially in individuals with an already established and admitted history of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and problems, in any degree of severity. However, it is also true that these "illicit drugs" do not contribute to (have not been noted or found to contribute to) psychosis in many people, whether they have psychotic problems in any degree, whether they have other mental health issues, or whether they are in fact totally free of mental defect whatsoever. Nevertheless, in the interests of harm reduction, it could be justified to restrict discussion of "illicit drugs," or psychotropic substances.

However, since psychotropic substance discussion, or "illicit drugs," is allowed elsewhere on the site, in designated areas, perhaps we might consider exceptions, especially when we consider other extremely important and justified reasons of profound public significance, which I will go into elaborate detail later. Consider that the policy restriction on discussing "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, is a bit arbitrary and circumstantial. Paliperidone/invega recovery/side effect threads (as might similar threads on other antipsychotics) just happen to be in the Dark Side section. It doesn't necessarily have to be. Of course, the Dark Side section is focused on mental health recovery in general and harm-reduction, and ostensibly, its overt philosophy is "drug-free", or at least "illicit drug" free or psychotropic drug-free, "sober-living" etc., since these psychotropic drugs can, in some people, both cause harm, dependence and/or abusive use, and harm in that addiction/dependence/abusive use. Additionally, the explicit policy of the Dark Side section is to discourage and outright prohibit discussion of said "illicit drugs," or psychotropic drugs, because, ostensibly, the section is for people who have had problems with said drugs. However, like I said, the association of antipsychotic troubleshooting threads, like these paliperidone/Invega ones, with the Dark Side section, may be arbitrary and circumstantial. It may be partly justified since antipsychotic users can have mental health issues (but, importantly, there is the phenomenon of misdiagnosis, which I talk about later, which leads to people who are completely free of mental health problems being misled or even being forced to use antipsychotics that can be extremely dangerous while having no benefit whatsoever to these people who don't have psychotic problems at all!) as well as substance-abuse problems. However, we must consider that there are many users of antipsychotics (even beyond some not having mental health problems at all) that don't have harm/addiction/dependence/abusive/psychosis-inducing use problems related to these same "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, and in fact, benefit from them.

While many people in these threads cite "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances in the context of recreational use, many many others are very obviously talking about these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances clearly in the context of medical use. In spite of their illegality in many jurisdictions and adversarial medical opinions on their usefulness, they have at the same time, become increasingly legal in many jurisdictions around the world and are being more and more recognized as having valid, proven medical, therapeutic usefulness. If you consider further arguments I am about to share, then you may understand why this increasing legality and scientific as well as public recognition of medical and therapeutic usefulness is so important to the discussion of antipsychotic and paliperidone/Invega troubleshooting, recovery, healing (from the side effects of depression and sexual dysfunction), such as in these threads, and why it is so relevant to the interests of public health and welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of the bluelight.org forum.

The overwhelming theme of all the paliperidone/Invega threads, which are ostensibly for any side effects from paliperidone, as well as other issues unrelated to side effects (but, largely side effects and recovery from them), has become the overwhelming report and propensity for paliperidone/Invega to cause depression and sexual dysfunction. The depression and sexual dysfunction paliperidone/Invega is said to cause, on these threads (and that I can confirm in my own terrible experience and non-stop, incurable life-destroying suffering of 14-15 months straight now), is invariably severe. It is invariably without a cure and effectively incurable (total relief and healing) and mostly untreatable (no relief whatsoever). Discontinuing the offending antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) and waiting on Father Time and the human body does not count, technically, as a cure or a treatment, especially because these measures do not yield quick enough results in most cases (by the standard of what a "cure" and an effective, relief-giving "treatment" should be), and even for the people who are lucky and recover within 0-4 months, they still suffer unacceptably and terribly. The depression and sexual dysfunction caused by antipsychotics and paliperidone/Invega specifically, which is all backed up by scientific literature, doctors' opinions and experiences, consensus scientific neurochemistry and thousands of first-hand accounts, even beyond the bluelight.org forum, is,
as I said, almost unparalleled in the entirety of medical and human history (with the notably exception of the similar antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction), a huge matter of public importance and, as I said, invariably severe, incurable, life-altering, unbearably painful, incapacitating, isolating, suicide-increasing and sometimes permanent! The coincidence with other mental health conditions may exacerbate difficulties and suffering (but some people, like myself, have no mental health issues or even psychotic problems ever, in the first place, and were placed on the drug inappropriately, which I discuss later). More importantly, the phenomenon of psychiatric misconduct (which I discuss later) is one, unfortunately, that many people who come down with antispychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction also experience and suffer from. Therefore, in addition to all the harm that this terrible condition, which the public remains uninformed about to the present day (but has been known about to science for decades, for antipsychotics at wide, while paliperidone/Invega has been on the market for "only" 17 years), causes in and of itself, the mistreatment that sufferers typically experience at the hands of psychiatrists, as well as the callousness, uncaring attitudes and lack of action by other collaborating and non-collaborating (with psychiatry) institutions, disciplines, industries and professions of society, exacerbates suffering, isolation, hopelessness, abandonment and suicidality.

Because there is no known cure whatsoever (I have made extensive research into this matter and contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists and none know of a cure, much less a proven treatment), nor even a cure theoretically possible, as I'll discuss in further detail later, as well as no established, proven treatment (to provide any relief whatsoever)--particularly in the realm of traditional psychiatric medication, like serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and adrenergic antidepressants, as well as viagra, cialis (only for erectile dysfunction and not for the other problems, but even for these problems, it does not work in many people, like myself, and also is known to cause increased risk of skin cancer melanoma) and off-label sexual dysfunction treatments (like wellbutrin, pramipexole, other restless legs and parkinsons' drugs that are dopamine agonists, as well as buspirone, addyi, and vyleesi). Since established or prospective, legal psychiatric drugs ostensibly do not cure this condition nor provide any proven relief whatsoever, it is only natural for people suffering from our condition to look for alternatives and look towards "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances which are becoming increasingly legal and whose medical and therapeutic benefit is increasingly acknowledged by science and the public.

The use of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, in our particular circumstance, is especially justified from a medical and therapeutic benefit point of view, since, in addition to the existing and growing legality and acknowledgement of medical and therapeutic benefit for many conditions from various etiologies, there has not been any research done into its promise for benefit to our condition in particular, the otherwise incurable, untreatable and terrible antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction.

Our condition is so terrible that people are, understandably desperate for any cure or treatment to provide any relief whatsoever, in order to escape the dimension of hell that they suffer in without hope otherwise. This desperation and unbearable pain and suffering and hopelessness drives many to risk their lives, further (beyond the risks that antipsychotics pose, which I discuss later), in playing the Unproven Treatment Lottery, which, when it comes to psychiatry and its typical offerings, invariably ends in disappointment, never winning or benefiting, and often suffering from or taking unbelievable risks in, side effects from these unproven psychiatric treatments that are nonetheless otherwise mainstays of psychiatry--side effects that can themselves simply add to the already unbearable suffering, side effects that can be serious, sometimes incurable and sometimes life-destroying, long-term and even permanent!

It can be argued as true, for quite a few people, that these "illicit drugs" and psychotropic substances, which are now being examined (by us, not the medical community, because the medical community at wide does not acknowledge--in spite of the scientific and first-hand evidence--antipsychotic caused depression and sexual dysfunction that is invariably severe, and the medical community also does not care about our problem at all! which I discuss later) produce far less severe, if any, side effects, and at any rate, substantively different ones, than the said, widely accepted psychiatric drugs (that are invariably ineffective in treating our specific condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction). Like I said, this possible therapeutic benefit has to be balanced with the two camps of individuals--those who are not negatively affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing, as well as those who are affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing.

But the severity and magnitude of antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction, along with the promise of (and safety of, for many people) psychotropic drugs, must be weighed against the potential for harm for some people (of said psychotropic drugs) and the possibility of ineffectiveness of psychotropic drugs in helping solve the problem or providing relief for antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction. I believe the potential benefits outweigh the potential harm, although the potential harm must always be discussed. I believe the condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so severe, that it justifies this discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, particularly as a medical therapy (as opposed to merely pleasure seeking or personally-developing or spiritual recreational use).
  • Weed is increasingly legal across many parts of the world. Its benefits are ostensibly attested to by many. Science, medicine and psychiatry are particularly, arguably unfairly biased against psychoactive cannabis, and have not conducted fair research into its benefits for depression, its benefits overall and its medical benefits, although some favorable research does exist.
  • Psilocybin has become legal in very few, but still a few, jurisdictions, in the world, for therapeutic and doctor-approved, monitored use, in depression and other mental health uses. Scientific research has been done into its mental health benefits and more needs to be done. Science, medicine and psychiatry have been, arguably, historically biased against such acknowledgment and research, but attitudes are quickly changing.
  • Ketamine in various forms is already been used off-label as a depression treatment. Esketamine is FDA approved for use in treatment resistant depression and depression with suicidal features.
  • MDMA's therapeutic benefits have been known and surmised for some time, and while not yet approved or legal for therapeutic purposes (to my knowledge), increasing amounts of scientific research has been done indicating favorability.

Other psychotropic substances remain illegal almost universally, to my knowledge, and little if any scientific research has been done into their therapeutic and medical benefit, particularly for depression, although I think this needs to change and I believe there is an argument for their therapeutic and medical benefit, especially for depression.

Since these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances are increasingly being researched as, particularly depression, treatments and increasingly being legalized and allowed as such, therefore it would be logical that people suffering from otherwise incurable, invariably severe, unbearably painful, life-destroying, often long-term and sometimes permanent antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction) would look to them for the possibilities of benefiting in any way!

Furthermore, in the justification of their discussion for medical therapy in our circumstance, we must seriously consider some other very important reasons:

  1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
  3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
  4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
  5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
  6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
  8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
  9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
  10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury, in psychiatry, that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.
  11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
  12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
  13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists

1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
Extensive literature exists confirming that antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causes sexual dysfunction to a considerable degree--first-hand accounts still seem to indicate that this incidence is even higher than literature acknowledges
Psychiatrists, in private clinic and in-patient hospital settings, also testify the same.

The literature on antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causing depression claims it is rare but not absent--first-hand accounts directly contradict this and indicate it is common, if not sometimes (in the case of paliperidone/Invega especially) universal! However, there are many reasons to hold these official side effects studies with suspicion:

A. Psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies have a history of misconduct regarding antipsychotics side effects studies
B. Many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit syndrome
C. The consensus scientific neurochemistry on antipsychotics fundamental mechanisms, on antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunctioning and on psychiatric symptoms commonly reported by people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, namely i. NIDS, ii. general anhedonia, iii. sexual anhedonia/low libido, iv. musical anhedonia, v. coffee (or loss of sensitivity to coffee), directly support a scientific mechanism whereby antipsychotics directly cause all these problems. These consensus neurochemistry theories all concern the dopamine system. Antipsychotics are believed to cause their antipsychotic effects as well as terrible side effects, including depression and sexual dysfunction, via their primary mechanism of inhibiting many dopamine receptors (they are potent dopamine antagonists). The dopamine system is also held to be the primary explanation involved with the aforementioned five problems/symptoms. Therefore, skepticism towards antipsychotics causing depression cannot be warranted, and official side effects studies that report antipsychotic-induced depression as rare should be held with great suspicion, since it directly contradicts the ostensible propensity of antipsychotics, via their direct mechanisms, to directly cause the primary mechanisms held to be involved in these depression/sexual dysfunction symptoms (which can have non-medication etiologies, by the way).
D. because many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, they are likely to misattribute any depression that arises in patients taking antipsychotics (as side effects) to other erroneous causes (quite irresponsibly), like pre-existing psychiatric disorder (even when it can be precluded), "anxiety" (even when it has never existed in the patient), other medications (even when none of those other medications are known to cause depression nor does the theoretical consensus neurochemistry support such a mechanism for doing so), etc. The science of psychiatry confirms the existence of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, coined in 1992, for over 30 years (basically, antipsychotic-induced depression)--the lack of awareness or deliberate non-acknowledgement by many psychiatrists, as well as the pitiful, almost complete worldwide absence (in those 30+ years) of research into NIDS is no excuse nor proof that NIDS does not exist or is not prevalent, but simply an indication of the irresponsibility and lack of caring, initiative and effort by psychiatry, and indeed, the lack of abiding by the tenets of medicine.

However, in spite of all of this, most psychiatrists continue to not warn their patients taking antipsychotics of the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction at all! In the rare event they do (which I know no confirmed case of, of psychiatrists, in-person, verbally warning their patients), they may be surmised to (based on promotional material on antipsychotics and their side effects by many mental health organizations, that I cite at the end of this post) severely downplay and distort those risks, implying that the depression and sexual dysfunction they cause are mild, painless, easily reversible and easily treatable, whereas the exact opposite is true--I have not heard of a single case of mild, painless, easily treatable or easily reversible (compared the usual reversibility of reversible side effects in all medications, including psychiatric drugs, which typically will happen 0-5 days after discontinuing the offending medication) antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction, not a single one! Please correct me if I am wrong and share evidence.

This is made worse and/or perhaps justified (in their eyes, but its no excuse, since the literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus neurochemistry theories and thousands of first-hand accounts indicate otherwise and psychiatrists must be informed and not rely solely on drug company drug labels and/or mental health organization promotional materials) by the pharmaceutical manufacturers' official drug labels for antipsychotics downplaying the risk of depression and sexual dysfunction, or, as in the case of paliperidone/Invega, omitting it entirely! as well as the overwhelming tendency of mental health organization promotional materials on antipsychotics and their side effects to do the same, either downplaying and distorting or omitting entirely the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction (which I link to at the end of this post).

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/022264s023lbl.pdf

I have confirmed these verbal non-disclosures by psychiatrists in both my own experience, in the testimonies of others, and via inquiry and questioning with other psychiatrists, clinics and hospitals. This non-disclosure is the norm.

2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:

Part of the reason for the lack of societal action or acknowledgement at all, of the dangers of antipsychotics, is the social issue. People who take, are prescribed, or forced to take antipsychotics are assumed to be psychotic (in the case of misdiagnosis, this is not true). Psychotic individuals, who in reality, exhibit varying degrees of dangerousness or lackthereof, and varying degrees of function, are blanket-held as being dangerous and threats to society, and treated as subhuman. Thus, there are some who do not care at all about the dangers of antipsychotics because they are "necessary" to treat and control "dangerous" psychotic individuals. The obligation is that safe medication be provided and that antipsychotics should meet some minimum safety standard, and that this obligation is on the psychiatrists and on medicine and not the patient!

Many people, in the public, in psychiatry and in institutions, industries, disciplines and professions that collaborate with psychiatry, like Medicine, Education, Academia, Psychology, abnormal psychology, clinical psychology, forensic psychology, Social work, Social sciences, Criminology, Law, law enforcement, Journalism, News Media, public policy groups, NGOs, government, Pharmaceutical Companies and Pharmacy, also feel that it is justified to outright lie (and therefore, commit criminal negligence, medical malpractice, breach of medical, professional and psychiatric ethics, commit willful deception, risk causing patients personal injury, violate the tenets of medicine, etc.) to patients about these unimaginably serious risks of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, because "unnecessarily alarming" the patient would lead to "non-compliance." That no person on the face of the earth and all of human history would want to take these antipsychotics when informed of the true risks, including of depression and sexual dysfunction, is obvious. That this would lead to "non-compliance" is an invalid, insidious and morally warped argument that lays blame on the patient, who is innocent, and excuses psychiatrists, who are guilty, for both lying and for providing dangerous drugs and not possessing safe antipsychotics--it is the obligation of the psychiatrist and of medicine to research, invent, find, test, possess and furbish safe medication!
If they want compliance, it is their responsibility to have safer medication, plain and simple.

Additionally, the harm caused by these antipsychotics, in regards to depression and sexual dysfunction they cause, as well as numerous other side effects, some acknowledged and not acknowledged (that I discuss elsewhere, for example, see my discussion of my experience of terrible side effects from abilify), that can also be severe, incurable, long-term if not permanent, unbearably painful and life-destroying--all this harm far outweighs the risks of leaving the vast majority of patients with little or no antipsychotic medication (there are also non-invasive, non-medication therapies for psychotic disorders and symptoms), since many of these patients have varying degrees of severity (including no severity in those who have been outright misdiagnosed), with many retaining substantial degrees of function and posing no danger to themselves or others whatsoever. Even in the case of the most non-functioning and/or severely dangerous, severely psychotic individuals, forcing dangerous medication on them, while willfully denying the science and evidence of their danger and not disclosing nor taking this danger seriously and honestly, cannot be justified morally! It is a moral compromise of the highest degree, which is a terrible precedent to set for all of world society. We are excusing willful great harm, extensive misconduct, violation of practically every principle of medicine, and criminal behavior, in the interests of social policy, to keep "psychotic" individuals under control. This is a terrible slippery slope.

Again, I must stress, that the invariably severe, incurable, untreatable, unbearably painful, life-destroying, incapacitating, often long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, hopelessness inducing, suicide-increasing nature of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so widespread and so severe and harm causing, that we cannot every justify it morally, in any circumstance whatsoever, even in the most severe and dangerous circumstances, much less in the milder, non-dangerous circumstances. Additionally, turning a blind eye to the misconduct of psychiatry in these regards (as well as turning a blind eye to this same misconduct that many in collaborating institutions, professions, industries and professions actually agree with and, thus, enable, endorse or even participate in) is unacceptable and also risks enabling, endorsing and encouraging the other kinds of misconduct psychiatry commits (which I talk about later, extensively). Like I said, it is a moral compromise of the highest degree, beyond what most people consider and imagine.

Additionally, we must further be on the side of patients and suspicious of psychiatrists for reasons I discuss later, like;
the fact that the patients have their skin in the game regarding antipsychotics risks and the psychiatrists do not,
and the patients effectively, when it should be the psychiatrists who are responsible for this, actually do most if not all of the work on determining truly safe and acceptable antipsychotic candidates (which is an ongoing effort that psychiatry is not helping out with and will take untold ages, regarding which is the safest antipsychotic and on whether a truly safe and acceptably safe antipsychotic actually exists or not), while the psychiatrists, especially in regards to this terrible depression and sexual dysfunction, have deliberately done and will continue to do nothing, in terms of determining safety and pursuing safety.
I also discuss later that, while psychotic individuals may indeed have impaired perceptions and/or delusions, they are not known to be compulsive liars, and their impaired perceptions and/or delusions are largely unrelated to medicine, and I know of no case of "medical delusion" suggesting that these patients would lie about side effects. That so many thousands universally report the same side effects, like the severe depression and sexual dysfunction I constantly talk about, makes it further unlikely that any, much less all of these people, are lying or suffering from a "medical side effects" delusion, especially given that there is psychiatric literature, psychiatrists' testimony, scientific neuroscience consensus on directly related mechanisms that confirm the validity of all these thousands of first-hand testimonies!
On the other hand, psychiatrists have been known to lie very often (which I discuss in detail later) engage in extensive misconduct (which I discuss in detail throughout this post), have a conflict of interest relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that make antipsychotics (which would lead them to downplay or deny side effects risks) (the same pharmaceutical companies that have been sued and settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars, regarding misleading safety science and concealing side effects and other misconduct, of these same antipsychotics!), and, as I have said and say again later, have no skin in the game. Psychiatrists practically never take antipsychotics. Since they never have to be exposed to the risks of antipsychotics, they have less incentive than the patients who do have to risk their lives taking antipsychotics, to be realistic and truthful about potential risks. Psychiatrists don't take the antipsychotics they prescribe patients
The conflict of interest and lack of skin in the game should raise red flags all over the world--psychiatrists for these reasons, in spite of the expertise (and caring, honesty, medical integrity, etc.) that they are supposed to have, are thus questionable authorities on "side effects" risks of antipsychotics (that these risks, like depression and sexual dysfunction, should be called side effects, is a misnomer, because their prevalence as well as the scientific neuroscience, strongly supports that these are not side effects but fundamental, primary effects resulting directly from the main mechanism of antipsychotics, upon the main mechanism of which the side effects and symptoms are caused).
Finally, psychiatrists have been known to also engage in misconduct with, be abusive towards, etc. their "psychotic" patients, as I discuss later. This would give us all the more reason to suspect that they don't care about their "psychotic" patients (and even dislike them, undeservedly, and harbor malice, evidently) and are not trustworthy enough to provide safe care to these patients and prevent harm to them. That the public and society, and even patients themselves, should ignore all this evidence and not be alarmed, in the name of prudence, in the name of all that is right and good, is disastrous!


3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, and continue to discuss it subsequently.

4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, but I will mention a bit more.

Basically, it is up to the patients to fend for themselves. Many acknowledge they have continuing psychotic problems of some degree or another and are in fact highly interested and vested in finding safer, an ultimately, acceptably safe, antipsychotics. Essentially, these patients have to take the official side effects studies with a grain of salt, and assume that all acknowledged side effects are perhaps much worse and more common than the side effects studies admit, and then assume, with reasonable cause, that antipsychotics, any of them, can variously cause severe side effects that psychiatry largely does not acknowledge.

The matter of antipsychotics and taking them is essentially a minefield, a minefield that the patients alone have to wade through, while the psychiatrists themselves never enter it at all! The safe pathway through this minefield has yet to be definitively found. We need a minimum standard of safety in this minefield, there is little room for error! Because patients have won the data (psychiatrists have not, they simply take the data from the pure, primary source and do with it what they may, whether that be honesty, correcting the "mistakes" of patient reports, or outright distortion and lying) themselves, because the patients themselves have entered the terrible battlefield and no man's land and come back, we should always give them the greater benefit of the doubt and treat them and their testimonies and reports with respect.

Indeed, antipsychotics, in my experience and those of others, is, from a game-theory perspective, somewhat like a perverse game of Russian Roulette, where we all know that there are at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber, and quite possibly, the entire chamber is full. Now, the only difference in this case might be that, in the game of antipsychotics Russian Roulette, the gun chamber would arguably hold more than 6 bullets, and could hold quite a few. That doesn't change things very much, however, since, still, we all can reasonably believe that there at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber and, until the true safety and true risks of all known antipsychotics, in and of themselves and in comparison to each other, are conclusively determined, we can all reasonably believe, based on our own personal experiences with antipsychotics, based on others' first hand accounts, based on the literature and science, based on the misconduct, lying and distortion (of psychiatrists who downplay these risks), etc. that most or even the entire chamber, regardless of how many bullets it can hold, is potentially full of bullets!

This is why it will be my continual effort and life long project (among others) that I conclusively determine the true safety of all antipsychotics, together and by themselves, in the search for the safest one and the search for whether there are any acceptably, truly safe ones (even though I don't nor have ever needed antipsychotics).

Again, the psychiatrists, with no skin in the game and never being exposed to these risks at all, and with the evidence of misconduct, bias and conflict of interest, have little incentive, and certainly much less so than the patients, to conduct and conclude such a truly exhaustive, effort-requiring search. This is all in spite of what the standards of psychiatry are supposed to be. These psychiatrists are supposed to possess the scientific know how to conduct and complete such a search. They are also supposed to possess the ethics, the commitment to the tenets of medicine, the hardworking characteristics and responsibility and initiative, and the human compassion, required to conduct and complete such a search. Yet, they have systemically failed all of us in this regard, especially as it pertains to the terrible epidemic of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction.


5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously and will continue to discuss.

6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
There are no known cure for low libido and sexual anhedonia, wherein the physical health is fine (normal hormones, normal urology, no infectious diseases or congenital disorders, etc.). There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. There is no known cure or treatment for antidepressant induced sexual dysfunction (as I mentioned previously, see https://rxisk.org/prize/
There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression. The only research whatsoever I have ever found, in the annals of all of medicine and psychiatry, for antipsychotic induced depression are two Japanese (English-language) studies that feature case-studies of a grand total of only four Japanese people, in regards to treatment for Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. These individuals did not have sexual dysfunction (according to the researchers and treating doctors, at least). They also seemed to have the version of antipsychotic-induced depression which resolves itself, upon discontinuation of the medication and with Father Time and the human body, within 0-4 months. The studies did not indicate how quickly the patients healed. They did not indicate subjectives on the level of pain and suffering the patients were experiencing. While the patients were given ECT and two other antidepressants, it is not established whether these had any true effect on recovery. In my opinion, it was most likely entirely due to discontinuing the antipsychotic in question (none of which were paliperidone/Invega) and leaving it to Father Time and the human body to heal. That ECT is barbaric, invasive, seizure-inducing, scientifically ill-advised and known to cause both pain and harm, should make us question its use at all. The other two antidepressants have no special features which would suggest that they would be particularly suited, from a theoretical point of view, to cure Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. In other patients, like myself, with a long-term version of antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction), some of these same antidepressants have not proven effective or providing of relief at all. Simply put, there is not enough correlation evidence anywhere else to lead us to believe that these depression treatments given to these 4 Japanese people have any effect at all. The research pool and sample size is simply too small.

So, again, no treatment studies for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction have been done whatsoever in the west in all of history, to my knowledge (please correct me if I am wrong and you know otherwise!)


7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
Already discussed this.

8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
This should be self-evident, unless someone can provide me with evidence to the contrary.

Believe me, I want to see that evidence and have every incentive to want to see that evidence and not to lie! One of the goals of my life (extremely justifiable considering my suffering, the incurability of my antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the injustice, mistreatment and lack of help and caring I have experienced in regards to the problem and its resolution) is to advocate for the problem of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, in all its aspects! and of course, seek justice for this personal injury and find a treatment and a cure for it. This is obvious from all my posts on the bluelight.org forum threads for paliperidone/Invega, including this post, as well as my many writings, communications and advocacy efforts. I have contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists! I have contacted over 120+ news media, journalists and NGOs! All for these purposes!

So if anyone should know that the public is not informed about this problem, it would likely be me, because I am doing everything possible to reverse the situation and inform the entire world! but, unfortunately, I cannot get people to care, much less to provide any help or take any action whatsoever! I, of course, will never stop until this changes and we can attain real results. People like us who are suffering from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction need this help and action so badly!

There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:


9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
I talked about this previously but will expand upon it further, especially in regards to the main topic of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as medical treatment candidates for our condition (and thus, the justification for them to be discussed on these paliperidone bluelight.org forum threads).

It is my opinion that the damage that antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction causes and its related contexts--the invariable severity, the unbearable suffering, the destruction of life activities, the incapacitation, the long-term aspect, the sometimes permanent reality, the incurability and untreatability, the increased isolation, the hopelessness, the lack of help and the mistreatment, the increase in suicide--is so enormous and unique and irreparable, combined with the science that confirms this is a direct result of the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics, would support the world characterizing antipsychotics, especially paliperidone/Invega, as Illegal Weapons of War, per the standards of the Geneva Conventions and related international treaties and domestic laws. They cause unique (few if any other poisons, weapons or substances known to man can cause these), uniquely terrible, irreparable damage.

Additionally, since they typically cause no outward signs of injury, these antipsychotics have much in common with methods of torture like waterboarding and feet whipping. Those methods of torture have been abused throughout history precisely because they typically cause no outward signs of injury and thus, plausible deniability of torture having occurred can be cited by those who use these methods of torture. Thus, antipsychotics are rife for abuse as methods of torture, since they are so discreet and since there is little, if any public scrutiny, awareness or even caring about the issue. This discreetness and lack of scrutiny in their harm and the potential for them to be abused and exploited as weapons of torture, are all the more reasons to classify them as Illegal Weapons of War, and to raise public awareness about them as such.

I talk later about psychiatry's unbridled, unchecked power in the courts that explicitly undermines and violates procedural rules and traditions of fair and due process, rights to give testimony and defend oneself, rights to present arguments and counter arguments and rights to give evidence as well as examine and dispute evidence, etc. and how this unbridled power can be abused, not only in the pursuit of outright cruelty, but towards the ends of political oppression, which has already happened in China and can happen elsewhere in the world, and that this unbridled power of psychiatry and its consequences and specific powers and effects can be exploited by state and non-state actors (such as by the corrupt elements of other industries, disciplines, institutions and professions) and that the open, unchecked potential for this will invariably invite its exploitation, soon enough, and should be held by the entire world as being unacceptable, especially since it encourages and facilitates the spread of and/or increase of corruption, oppression, wrongdoing, lawlessness and misery elsewhere and in society as a whole.

Now, why is this relevant to finding a cure and a treatment? It is relevant to our theoretical speculation. No psychiatric drugs work as treatments or cures for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Therefore, we may want to seek more powerful substances, like said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, which may have a stronger effect on the neurochemicals and any permanent damage/inhibition/dysfunction that likely exists. However, there is already plenty of testimony that coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and even psilocybin have no effect whatsoever (which is basically unheard of and not even thought to be scientifically possible) on people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. We must then ask the question, is a treatment or a cure even possible?

When we consider my argument that antipsychotics are Illegal Weapons of War, that they cause such extensive, severe, unique and irreparable damage, we can also speculate that the current state of civilization, science and medicine is unable to solve this problem. There are knife designs which are illegal by the Geneva Conventions, international treaties and law, and domestic laws, because their design causes cuts that cannot be repaired and cause the victim to bleed out and die quickly. Our current state of civilization, science and medicine cannot remedy this. It may be a similar situation with antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Even if everyone in the world deeply cared and worked on this problem, even if we had all the expertise and money in the world, we may simply not be at an advanced enough state of civilization, science and medicine to solve the problem.

If no psychiatric drugs work, if even "illicit drugs" or powerful psychotropic substances (even the most powerful known to man!) do not have any effect whatsoever (much less, provide any relief or cure), if no known medicine, natural or synthetic, can solve this problem, then what can we do? We would have to invent or discover a substance or medication that is several orders of magnitude stronger, more effective, more advanced and different/unique from all known medicine and substances in human history thus far! Therefore, I say, there may be no cure or treatment possible.

Therefore, I say, we should at least consider the strongest psychotropic substances we have available, given these circumstances of lacking candidates for treatment and a cure of this problem of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. These are some of the most logical candidates to pursue, before concluding that the situation is currently hopeless.

I have argued, prior to, and now again, that there are two camps--those for whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" cause substantial benefits and do not cause side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, and those form whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" may or may not have benefits, but for whom any combination of side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, happen.

However, I believe the matter should be discussed and considered, nonetheless, because antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction demands a treatment and a cure--there is none so far, and it is invariably severe, life-destroying, incapacitating, unbearably painful, long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, suicide-increasing, etc. and the thousands of people confirmed to be currently suffering from it as well as the likely tens and hundreds of thousands of people who are likely suffering from it worldwide in all of history, should all justify discussion of ("illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances) being pursued as a treatment/cure candidate. There are also scientific ways to conduct safe trials, screening out sufferers of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction who are disposed to harmful effects, and allowing only those sufferers who are largely immune to (said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances') harmful effects and have demonstrated history of beneficial reaction.

10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury,
in psychiatry,
that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.

This is simply a summary/listing of all known misconduct, or at least, a comprehensive list of misconduct that I focus on, regarding psychiatry.

11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
I have already discussed this before and/or discuss it later.

12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
Many first hand accounts indicate that psychiatrists fabricate outright, distort and misquote patients, their admissions and sayings, and examples of symptoms and behaviors, especially in the context of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and disorders. Some of these can be disputed if they are completely uncharacteristic of the patient, have not occurred anywhere else and all other evidence suggests the contrary.
In other instances, psychiatrists do not abide by robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards. The norm should be that specific examples and details are cited, of patient behavior, admissions, symptoms, etc. that can be mapped to known, established, canonical, clinical specific behaviors and symptoms. Many times, psychiatrists do not abide by these standards, and may simply indicate "Yes/No" to a certain alleged behavior, symptom and/or admission. Sometimes, psychiatrists even resort to hearsay--vague allegations of psychotic behavior, for instance, that cannot reliably be mapped to these aforementioned, specific, known, established, canonical, clinical behaviors and symptoms. The problem becomes even more serious when you consider that most non-psychiatrists--who defer to them and esteem them as infalliable, with zero accountability in place--most of these non-psychiatrists lack an understanding or any interest in robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards, and thus not only might offer vague allegations themselves, but would be swayed by the vague allegations of others, including psychiatrists, and convinced by psychiatric reports that fall short of valid, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards.

Additionally, these robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards must support the strict criteria the DSM-V sets out. In many situations, psychiatrists violate this. They diagnose people with, for instance, schizophrenia even when the criteria are not met. A diagnosis of schizophrenia requires some combination of the required criteria--psychotic symptoms like hallucinations, delusions, thought disorders, disorganized thinking and speech, gross disorganization, swarthiness/dirtiness, flat affect/amotivation, etc.--repeated, during a period of 6 months, etc. For an active diagnosis, this period of 6 months should be recent, at worse, and really, should be current. Psychiatrists may give an active diagnosis of schizophrenia based on allegations from years past, for which there is no proof that they are continuing, have reappeared, etc. whatsoever! They do this, when really, the worst they should possibly do is to say the patient is long ago fully recovered from schizophrenia. Often times, these allegations from years past themselves do not themselves even constitute, for instance, schizophrenia (for any of the reasons I talk about, but specifically, for the reason of not meeting the 6-month requirement, etc.), but at most, a temporary psychotic disorder, and yet, these bad faith psychiatrists, violating the rules of diagnostics flagrantly, insist the patient has a currently active long-term psychotic disorder! The misconduct and bad faith boggles the mind. The bad faith clearly amounts to intentional spite and character assassination.

I have also experienced cases, particularly with my longtime and current psychologist, where the provider not only lied and invented observations of psychotic behavior and symptoms, but clearly acted in bad faith in its regards, also calling into question their integrity and legitimacy. My psychologist recently, for instance, noted, for several months of meetings (but not all of them), that I committed "loose associations/flight of ideas." I know the canonical examples of these. Some good ones can be found here (but certainly there are more):
I have never ever comitted loose associations/flight of ideas. He not only failed to give any examples, but he failed to even discuss the matter with me whatsoever! Additionally, my two psychiatrists during the same period made explicit observations to the contrary, that I had no such thought disorganization or verbal disorganization. All psychiatric and psychological providers are ostensibly supposed to help their patients, actively and continually, with all suspected and active mental health problems. If his observations on my "loose associations/flight of ideas" had any legitimacy whatsoever, he should have, of course, been transparent and discussed these with me in a timely manner. He never mentioned them once. When I confronted him, too late, he said he didn't remember. The same psychologist apparently has done the same thing to me in the past, without me knowing. In earlier years, he has claimed to other providers that I had thought disorganization and delusions (which I have never ever had). Unfortunately, my efforts are still ongoing and I need to confront him about this in our next meeting coming up in under a week.

For all these problems of misdiagnosis, we can surmise what happened and dispute it all we want, but the only surefire method of accountability and discovering the truth is audio and video evidence.

If audio and video evidence were mandated, especially in the context of psychotic disorders allegations/allegations of dangerous behavior, where the stakes are so high--if such evidence was mandated, that is, the psychiatrist would have to offer to conduct such evidence, with the consent of the patient--this would effectively eliminate 99% of all misdiagnosis and most other psychiatric misconduct. It would very likely push many naughty psychiatrists out of the profession altogether, after they realize they can no longer operate with impunity, without any public scrutiny or accountability whatsoever, and so their victimizing and abusive schemes would no longer be possible. For the same reason, psychiatry is likely to push back against audio and video evidence, even though in the 1950s and 1960s, for instance, it was common for psychiatrists and patients to appear together on video, for the sake of records of diagnostics. This requirement would be strict but easily done. It would require that audio and video evidence exist to document
any and all specific allegations of specific psychotic behavior, symptoms and admissions. It would require that this audio and video evidence be clearly mappable to known, established, canonical, clinical specific symptoms and behavior. It would require that this audio and video evidence directly support the full diagnostic criteria and requirements of a psychotic disorder, according to the DSM-V. Everyone in the world possesses smart phones these days. All these smart phones are capable of high quality video and audio recording, operated with ease, without any filmmaking, audio engineering, audiophile/musician credentials required, by everyone, including millions of little kids!

The privacy law and policy can be overcome with consent of the patient, who would surely want to hold their psychiatrist accountable (but may not want to divulge their psychotic symptoms, if they do indeed have them and admit to them).
At any rate, it is in the great interest of the public welfare and holding psychiatry accountable to eschew privacy, at least of the patient. Any privacy complaints on the part of the providers (not wanting to lose their privacy) is bogus, since they really only have to be off camera asking questions that are a standard procedure of their duties. Additionally, note that psychiatrists and hospitals regularly violate patients privacy, without their consent, and freely share psychiatric reports and medical data with law enforcement, government agencies and even non government entitites, because of the privacy law exemption of "need to know" in the "fulfilment of duties" by these other entitities. Why doesn't this extend to the public? Well, it does. Of course, there is a counterpart, the Freedom of Information Act. Otherwise, there would be a terrible imbalance of power. Essentially, psychiatrists, government and other organizations would be able to share patient data at will, while not being themselves subject to any scrutiny! They would have unchecked power to commit wrongdoing, while the public would have little ability to keep them in check. The purpose of FOIA, on the federal and state level, is to shine a light on government activities, specifically in the purpose of holding government accountable from abuses of power and lawbreaking. The FOIA is an exemption to the privacy law and policy, which applies to government entities and activities. Unforunately, it does not apply to private organizations like most, but not all, psychiatrists and hospitals, which is silly since they are themselves allowed to violate privacy and have unscrutinized power. When said psychiatrists and hospitals are carrying out Emergency Detentions, Involuntary Commitments, court-mandated community orders, or their diagnoses are otherwise pursuant to and authorizing government activities, government power and government mandates, these psychiatrists and hospitals could be argued to be contractors of the government and, arguably, seemleess, indispensable, extensions of government activity and therefore subject to FOIA. The point, however, is that psychiatrists have too much unchecked power.

Audio and video evidence then becomes even more important and singular as a measure of quality control and accountability and preventing abuse of power, misconduct, lying, etc. and shifting the balance of power back to the hands of the people, the patients, the public.

Government is supposed to be by the people, for the people. If they have unchecked power and are able to abuse it and break the law with impunity, then the citizens will suffer, the authority of the government will be invalid, law and order will be threatened, chaos and suffering and destruction will become widespread and society will go into decline.

Psychiatrists are supposed to serve the people, serve their patients and the public good and welfare, uphold the law, act ethically and morally, uphold medical and professional ethics, etc. If they have too much unchecked power, then, similarly, medicine will suffer, the public trust will be violated, the public welfare will suffer, law and order will be threatened, and suffering and corruption will spread.

This is why audio/video evidence is so important. There is no other way to disprove a psychiatric and psychological treatment provider, there is no other method of holding them accountable, there is no other method of proving that the provider has committed wanton misconduct and outright lies and fabrications! Unfortunately, the public and even the law holds psychiatrists in unquestioned esteemed, regarding them as infallibe in these regards, that their "word" is always superior to that of the patient. The only way to combat this, then, is irrefutable audio/video evidence (to the contrary).

For this reason, you will see me lobbying and advocating for the mandate of offering (with the patients consent) the requirement of audio and video evidence. I will lobby and advocate for this to the entire earth, to every government, every institution, every industry, every discipline, every profession, every organization, all of the public, etc. It is the holy grail and perhaps the only option of keeping psychiatrists accountable in regards to diagnosis and all the threats that result, all the misconduct that issues from this source.

13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists
I discussed this before, but my focus in this section is particularly in regards to people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Our mistreatment ultimately increases our suffering and only underscores the need to free us from the unbearable hell we are unjustly, undeservedly stuck in (and which is the fault of the explicit wrongdoing of others and not ourselves), and, thus, the exploration/consideration/discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as candidates for treatment and cures.

Many of us, including myself, who suffer from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction witness our psychiatrists deny these side effects came from antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega, even when the circumstances (no other medication being taken, no other possible candidate or cause) confirm it, even when the known science confirms it, even when all other causes, like negative symptoms of a psychotic disorder, pre-existing psychiatric disorders and mental health issues,
and other health problems (like abnormal hormones, abnormal urology, etc.) are all ruled out!

These psychiatrists may have a conflict of interest and want to deny the cause of the side effects, because, if they prescribed the antipsychotic in question, this admission may implicate them as incompetent and guilty of criminal negligence and breach of medical ethics and lack of duty of care. Some of them may simply be incompetent or outright cruel. At any rate, it is wrong.

They will typically misattribute the depression and sexual dysfunction to other causes, like "anxiety" (even when the patient has never experienced anxiety in their lives!), or attribute them to non-existent mental health issues, and/or lifestyle, behavioral, mindset and cognitive factors, even when these issues and factors were not present/not abnormal in the patients life before or ever (as is the case with me). This is not only incompetent and incorrect, but insulting.

In many cases of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, all these other factors and explanations can be ruled out with undeniable evidence. In most of these cases, the medication-caused depression and its specific total anhedonia and specific symptoms, like loss of ability to enjoy and engage in art, loss of religious faculties, loss of coffee and psychotropic substances sensitivity, loss of social and romantic faculties, loss of all pleasure and enjoyment and motivation in and from any source and activity, loss of exercise capacity, enjoyment, motivation and benefits, loss of beauty faculties, loss of ability to cook, loss of motivation to eat healthy, inability to go to school and to work, inability to take care of oneself and basic chores, loss of housecleaning abilities and faculties, loss of ability to take care of dependents and pets, etc. never existed prior (like my case, where I never had a problem with motivation, enjoyment and benefits from these activities and thrived in them all my life),
and so cannot be related to any pre-existing mental health problem.

Additionally, in many cases, lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition is a non-factor, because not only in many cases, is it true that the patient never had problems with these but were stellar with these (as my case), but in most cases that I know of, if not all, adjustments in lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition have no beneficial effect on the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. It is a fallacy on the part of psychiatrists and outsiders who believe otherwise. In non-medication etiologies, essentially etiologies that could be surmised to directly come from lifestyle/mindset/behavior, etc. these lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition factors, causes/contributors and therapies could be held as valid, but not in the case of medication-induced etiologies, especially antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, where the evidence suggests they play little if any role and offer no benefit. It certainly has not for me, and believe me, if the things I used to do and thrive in, could be continually done and could offer any benefit whatsoever (the precise symptoms and nature of this condition is that healthy lifesetyle, behavioral and mental practices no longer are effective, beneficial or even work in the first place, due likely to the fundamental mechanism of the offending antipsychotic) I would have noticed, desperate as I am to get out of the hell I am in.

Thus, psychiatrists' continual, incompetent or outright deliberate insistence that these problems are not from the antispychotic (which they are) but are due to deficits in lifestyle/cognition/mindset/behavior is highly insulting and essentially is character degradation and belittlement.

This reaches its xenith when psychiatrists, as I can testify to and others here can testify to, as well, deny that our medication-caused sexual dysfunction was, in fact, medication cause, or that it is severe as it is, or that it is as important as it is. One of my psychiatrists (and similar things have happened to others in my situation)--who of course had no expertise in sexual dysfunction whatsoever, never admitted such, never offered any drug or therapy, never suggested I see any other expert, doctor, urologist, sexual medicine specialist, or even psychiatrist with sexual dysfunction specialty authorized to prescribe sexual dysfunction drugs--and who, of course, denied the antipsychotic cause of it--belittled me and downplayed the importance of proper sexual functioning and the distress and pain with sexual dysfunction.

He told me, callously, tone-deaf (especially since his criminal negligence helped cause it in the first place) that I should find another source of pleasure (as if anyone should be denied their right to proper sexual functioning!), which itself was absurd, callous and tone deaf, because I was seeing him precisely because I was suffering from a complete void of any pleasure, any joy whatsoever.

Furthermore, many psychiatrists, including all my psychiatrists, deliberately interfere with our seeking treatment for these side effects of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. In spite of clear evidence for an active diagnosis of sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction and hyposexual desire disorder, not one of my psychiatrists at any time put any diagnosis whatsoever into the record, of such. This has gone on for almost 15 months! What a farce! I am continually pressuring me current psychiatrist to do so, but he continues to play games and refuses to put it into the records, in spite of verbally agreeing to do so. In time, I will complain to my state's licensing commission about his behavior and even seek litigation, news media coverage, NGO/watchdog help, etc. Unfortunately, these struggles with psychiatrists' deliberate detrimental and bad faith behavior, with psychiatrists not following through on reasonable promises, etc. are all too common.


14. Disclaimer, I am not antipsychiatry

I am not anti-psychiatry, I love psychiatry! Psychiatry fascinates me; effective, safe psychiatric care, treatment and medication is my passion! I love the Hippocratic oath, and medical efforts to gather and share data and findings and discover cures and treatments! I love unshakable ethics and honesty in psychiatry and medicine! I love due diligence!

That's why it's so important that errors and mistakes, misconduct, dishonesty, misdiagnosis and unsafe medication be identified, punished, resolved, prevented and removed from the profession! from psychiatry and medicine!

That's why laziness and negligence in gathering and sharing data, and laziness and negligence in finding and researching cures and treatments upsets me and should also be addressed, identified, discouraged and remedied

That's why any psychiatric lawbreaking in the legal context must also be identified, punished, resolved, prevented, remedied and removed! I love psychiatry, medicine and law and am very passionate about promoting and enhancing the good it does, while identifying, preventing and remedying errors, mistakes, wrongdoing, misconduct and bad, mistaken practices that are, that have, and that can occur in psychiatry, medicine and the legal profession!

I really care about psychiatry and I especially care about patients and that they receive the best health care possible and that are kept safe from harm, from errors and mistakes, from misconduct, from law-breaking!

Discussing and remedying these problems is in everybody's interest, and especially psychiatry's interests. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding, honest, caring, empathetic, humanistic, responsible, hard-working, full of high quality individuals who are mentally sound, kind, responsible, knowledgeable, widely experienced. Psychiatry is supposed to abide by rigorous, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards, based on known, established canonical and clinical specific examples of symptoms and behavior. Psychiatry is supposed to have effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be constantly searching for effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be, as medicine does, constantly reporting incidences of side effects and sharing information with the wider medical community in order to better undestand, better prevent, better treat and solve problems, side effects and diseases. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding and not subject to corruption or bias, nor enabling or participating in wrongdoing in their own profession or in conjunction with any other institution, profession, industry or discipline. Psychiatry is not supposed to allow itself to be exploited, at all, as a tool of political oppression. Psychiatry should not allow any of its psychiatric drugs, including antipsychotics, to be used as weapons. Psychiatrists are supposed to hold each other accountable. It is healthy for all professions, institutions, disciplines and industries to feature self and cross-criticism. Psychiatry is supposed to have accountability mechanisms, from within and without, for all of its activities, especially accurate diagnosis (precluding the possibility of lying, etc.), safe medication, and its power in the court context.
Psychiatry is supposed to have public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, to create a favorable balance of power, since they are in positions of great power and great fiduciary and public trust and privilege.

Without such public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, if there is an imbalance of power and no scrutiny, such great power and great fiduciary privilege will invite and encourage the worst kinds of people to take up residence. Who? People who like to hurt and victimize others, people who relish and abuse power, people with harmful personality disorders and even sociopathic, psychotic tendencies--these same people love to look for situations in which there is little public scrutiny or accountability, situations where there is an unchecked imbalance of power, situations in which there is great privilege and great power and great potential ability to harm. We know this from evidence from elsewhere in society and history: Abusers of the elderly, abusers of children, abusers of women, those who commit rape, those who commit theft, both white collar and blue collar, ponzi schemes, false accusations, false accustations of sexual assault, political oppression and torture, war, genocide and torture, extrajudicial murder, the examples go on and on.

Yet there continues to be little public scrutiny of psychiatry. There continues to be effectively little accountability mechanisms for psychiatry and some of its chief problems that I cite (like misdiagnosis, where I offer the audio/video evidence requirement solution) (and the legal process and its unbridled power there, which I offer some suggestions for solutions). There continues to be unintentional or deliberate lack of public awareness and societal action. And there continues to be almost zero criticism (correct me if I'm wrong and please share examples) of psychiatry and psychiatrists by psychiatrists themselves (to an extent that I have never seen in any other profession, institution, discipline, industry in all of known history!) as well as very little criticism of psychiatry by other institutions, disciplines, industries and professions, many of whom collaborate with psychiatry, too many of whom enable, endorse and participate in its errors, problems and misconduct, and most of whom should fundamentally, actually be holding psychiatry accountable.

I am advocating for these issues so intensely because not only are they such titanic issues of public welfare and societal importance, but precisely because there is, unbelievably, so little attention and action given to them. It is unprecedented in history. Never before in history has there ever been such intense and extensive systemic problems that have been so, largely, ignored by the rest of society!


15. Abilify--somehwat undocumented severe side effects, supporting probable cause to believe in the understated and unknown dangers of antipsychotics generally

I have discussed elsewhere on these threads how I took abilify and what severe side effects it caused me.

I took abilify twice in my life (for an extended period, 7-9 months each) and on both occasions, it resulted in severe, incurable, irreversible weight gain. Before I first took abilify, I was a skinny athlete and distance runner all my life. I have never gained any significant amount of weight (other than growing, which stopped when I was a sophomore in high school, and other than building muscle) in my life, except the two occasions I took abilify! Also, on both occasions, abilify caused me terrible central breathing problems (failure of the subcortex's function in autonomic breathing, caused by abilify), both waking and sleeping. Both times, it lasted one month and went away on its own, thankfully. It was terrifyingly painful and distressing, like being waterboarded or drowning. There is no known cure for any central breathing problem, and no established treatment. Inhalers did not help.

These two instances were ten years apart! I never had these problems anytime else in my life and abilify was the only medication I was taking when these problems developed!
Additionally, to support my claim that the weight gain was not only severe but incurable and irreversible, in the 10 intermittent years, in spite of having been off abilify for 10 years (and so it should have, like most side effects, been easily reversible, within 0-4 days, or within 1 month at least), I was never able to lose most of the weight. This is in spite of 10 years of religious daily exercise (distance running, sprinting, swimming, weights, yoga, sports) and religious daily healthy eating: I was a very accomplished and active cook; my diet was varied, including occasional meats, Vitamin B-12, EPA and DHA omega-3 fatty acids sources, from certain fish, like herring, for instance, and clams, mollusks, etc., including various foods like eggs and nuts, etc.; including many plant based foods; I often practiced extended bouts of vegetarianism, of veganism, and even raw veganism; I visited the Optimum Health Institute in San Diego, a raw vegan and lifestyle institute, three times. These rigorous practices would have been sufficient for most normal people to lose a lot of weight.


Conclusion; appeal to restore certain deleted and possibly deleted comments
I hope you may consider my reasons and allow discussion of sexual side effects and "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances on these threads, especially in the medical context of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and finding cures and treatments for it (none of which are known to exist). I hope you may consider undeleting/restoring any comments you may have deleted which could fall under these exemptions and justifications.

I, for instance, discussed weed/psychoactive cannabis, as causing psychosis (and/or harm/addiction/dependence) in some people, while causing no psychosis (nor harm/addiction/dependence) in others but offering extensive benefit. While I did not frame it in a non-recreational, explicitly medical context, I implied the medical context and the context of its potential use as a treatment/cure for our condition. Of course, like I said before, it should be noted that even though it should be considered a treatment/cure for our condition, our condition, the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, is typically so severe, that it innately seems to preclude being able to use (be affected by, enjoy, enjoy medical benefits from) "illicit drugs", psychotropic substances and particularly psychoactive cannabis in the first place! Such is the horror of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, that is shuts down/inhibits/damages the neurochemical receptors involved in all pleasure, many drugs and medications, and possibly all psychoactive substances. As I argued before, this is not a "side effect" but a fundamental action of the antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega (based on the consensus scientific neurochemistry, that I discussed previously). Thus, many if not all of us actively suffering from this condition are unable to enjoy or be affected by coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and other "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances. If we are not able to be affected by them, this would not only limit the hope of them being used as medical therapies in our particular circumstance (of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction) but it would at the same time largely shut down any concerns about psychosis-causing and/or addiction/harm/dependence, since for many of us, these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances wouldn't even affect us at all in the first place, much less affect us to the point of causing any harm.


Post-script
Here are links to the six threads on paliperidone's side effects from the bluelight.org forum with thousands of responses.

Of course, everyone on these threads are on these threads! So why am I reiterating them? Because I wanted to discuss some pertinent points about these threads:

Almost all posters describe severe, incurable and life-destroying depression and sexual dysfunction, to the exclusion of all other side effects cumulatively*--those side effects summated--by a factor of at least 100x! (according to the manufacturer drug label for paliperidone, all side effects acknowledged by the manufacturer--but not including depression and sexual dysfunction, which they omit--have a cumulative, summated incidence percentage of, in my rough calculation, 15-20% of all patients taking the medication): see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2010/021999s018lbl.pdf

https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone.701129/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v-2.749358/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v3.861790/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v4.894001/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-injections-v-5-0.912999/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-xeplion-injections-v-6-0.927257/
The bluelight.org forum threads on paliperidone, even in the age of social media and the internet, is a totally unprecedented testimony of universal side effects to a particular drug in a conspicuous drug class. Since most people suffering from psychiatric drug effects don't post on internet forums, much less find them, and since the reported incidence of these particular side effects is so universal to the multifactorial exclusion of all other side effects (which, summatted, are supposed to represent huge numbers of paliperidone users anyway), and given that 1-3 million people are on antipsychotics in the United States alone annually, the numbers of people suffering paliperidone caused depression and sexual dysfunction--which is invariably severe and incurable--in the United States alone, every year, is likely in the tens of thousands, at a minimum. Worldwide, over the 17 years paliperidone has been on the market, the numbers are unimaginable as is the human toll.
If we consider that any and all antipsychotics can and are known to cause depression and sexual dysfunction as well, the numbers of people suffering annually in the United States and worldwide from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is simply unimaginable, as well! And for all the decades these antipsychotics have been on the market (and they are heavily marketed worldwide, given pharmaceutical company proven-zealousness in business, and psychiatry's enthusiasm for prescribing them) countless people worldwide would have been affected. It is of course for this reason I am constantly searching to find these people in order to bring them out of the woodwork, gather their patient data and experiences, give them a voice, give them comfort, give them counseling, give them some relief and give them justice.

*this is also to the massive exclusion of manboobs, or Gynecomastia, which was the subject of litigation for huge amounts of money! See

Here is a list of websites, of major mental health organizations, regarding antipsychotics and their side effects, that omit or otherwise downplay the risks of these side effects:
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/treatments/drugs/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/common-adverse-effects-of-antipsychotic-agents-in-the-elderly
https://www.merckmanuals.com/profes...nia-and-related-disorders/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.goodtherapy.org/drugs/anti-psychotics.html
https://nyulangone.org/conditions/schizophrenia/treatments/medication-for-schizophrenia
https://www.wch.sa.gov.au/professionals/clinical-resources/antipsychotic-package
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Treatments/Mental-Health-Medications/Types-of-Medication
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...ons/Types-of-Medication/Paliperidone-(Invega)
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...cations/Medication-Induced-Sexual-Dysfunction
https://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/antipsychotic-medication
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/medicines-to-treat-schizophrenia
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/first-second-generation-antipsychotics
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/side-effects-of-lurasidone
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-146718/paliperidone-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-20575/geodon-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8661/haloperidol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1444/chlorpromazine-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1699/zyprexa-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5419/haldol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-9846/risperdal-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4718/seroquel-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-64437-4274/aripiprazole-oral/aripiprazole-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5557/loxapine-oral/details
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/antipsychotic-medications
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-...th-mental-illness/medications/antipsychotics/
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/mental-health-medications

As well as the https://www.youngminds.org.uk/ pages on aripiprazole, chlorpromazine, clozapine, olanzapine, quetiapine and risperidone.

I have contacted all of these websites about updating their inaccurate information, but only two have responded at all, saying that they will review the information for accuracy: Merck Manuals and Rethink.
You gotta consider that a lot of people in here have cognitive decline and focus issues they’d have a hard time reading a post that long I’m more recovered then a good amount of people in the thread and could only read half of that.
 
While I agree in large part with what you say, I think there are some important exceptions to consider.

Sexual side effects discussion considerations
While graphic, discussions of sexual activity on the topic of paliperidone/Invega and antipsychotics' notorious, established (literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus theoretical neurochemistry and first-hand accounts) links with causing perhaps the most severe, extensive and complete sexual dysfunction (erectile dysfunction, size reduction, low/no libido, sexual anhedonia (loss of all sexual and romantic pleasure, well beyond orgasm), weak and abnormal, pleasureless orgasms, loss of romantic pleasure and faculties, even beyond sexual) known and possible to mankind (with the exception of antidepressants that can cause just as severe and permanent post-SSRI/post-SNRI sexual dysfunction) (no other substance, poison or weapon known to mankind is able to achieve such destruction, to my knowledge) would seem to be extremely warranted and unavoidable. It would seem that graphic discussion of sexual problems and the severe harm, suffering, distress, humiliation, loss of social-functioning, isolation and suicidality that it causes, would be in the interests of public welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of bluelight.org, with the exception of any rules on obscenity. Perhaps a compromise may be reached, with posters on these paliperidone (and any antipsychotic and antidepressant threads) in the interests of abiding by non-obscenity rules, toning down their discussions on the sexual side effects and making them more sterile and medical.


Psychotropic substances discussion considerations
As for the matter of "illicit drugs," there are of course a couple of valid bluelight.org and arguably, generally-existing (even outside of bluelight.org) and accepted policy considerations. It is true that most of these "illicit drugs" do, in fact, remain largely illegal in most jurisdictions in the entire world--therefore, there is some basis to restrict its discussion based solely on illegality of subject matter alone.

It is also true that these "illicit drugs" can contribute to psychosis, especially in individuals with an already established and admitted history of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and problems, in any degree of severity. However, it is also true that these "illicit drugs" do not contribute to (have not been noted or found to contribute to) psychosis in many people, whether they have psychotic problems in any degree, whether they have other mental health issues, or whether they are in fact totally free of mental defect whatsoever. Nevertheless, in the interests of harm reduction, it could be justified to restrict discussion of "illicit drugs," or psychotropic substances.

However, since psychotropic substance discussion, or "illicit drugs," is allowed elsewhere on the site, in designated areas, perhaps we might consider exceptions, especially when we consider other extremely important and justified reasons of profound public significance, which I will go into elaborate detail later. Consider that the policy restriction on discussing "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, is a bit arbitrary and circumstantial. Paliperidone/invega recovery/side effect threads (as might similar threads on other antipsychotics) just happen to be in the Dark Side section. It doesn't necessarily have to be. Of course, the Dark Side section is focused on mental health recovery in general and harm-reduction, and ostensibly, its overt philosophy is "drug-free", or at least "illicit drug" free or psychotropic drug-free, "sober-living" etc., since these psychotropic drugs can, in some people, both cause harm, dependence and/or abusive use, and harm in that addiction/dependence/abusive use. Additionally, the explicit policy of the Dark Side section is to discourage and outright prohibit discussion of said "illicit drugs," or psychotropic drugs, because, ostensibly, the section is for people who have had problems with said drugs. However, like I said, the association of antipsychotic troubleshooting threads, like these paliperidone/Invega ones, with the Dark Side section, may be arbitrary and circumstantial. It may be partly justified since antipsychotic users can have mental health issues (but, importantly, there is the phenomenon of misdiagnosis, which I talk about later, which leads to people who are completely free of mental health problems being misled or even being forced to use antipsychotics that can be extremely dangerous while having no benefit whatsoever to these people who don't have psychotic problems at all!) as well as substance-abuse problems. However, we must consider that there are many users of antipsychotics (even beyond some not having mental health problems at all) that don't have harm/addiction/dependence/abusive/psychosis-inducing use problems related to these same "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, and in fact, benefit from them.

While many people in these threads cite "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances in the context of recreational use, many many others are very obviously talking about these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances clearly in the context of medical use. In spite of their illegality in many jurisdictions and adversarial medical opinions on their usefulness, they have at the same time, become increasingly legal in many jurisdictions around the world and are being more and more recognized as having valid, proven medical, therapeutic usefulness. If you consider further arguments I am about to share, then you may understand why this increasing legality and scientific as well as public recognition of medical and therapeutic usefulness is so important to the discussion of antipsychotic and paliperidone/Invega troubleshooting, recovery, healing (from the side effects of depression and sexual dysfunction), such as in these threads, and why it is so relevant to the interests of public health and welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of the bluelight.org forum.

The overwhelming theme of all the paliperidone/Invega threads, which are ostensibly for any side effects from paliperidone, as well as other issues unrelated to side effects (but, largely side effects and recovery from them), has become the overwhelming report and propensity for paliperidone/Invega to cause depression and sexual dysfunction. The depression and sexual dysfunction paliperidone/Invega is said to cause, on these threads (and that I can confirm in my own terrible experience and non-stop, incurable life-destroying suffering of 14-15 months straight now), is invariably severe. It is invariably without a cure and effectively incurable (total relief and healing) and mostly untreatable (no relief whatsoever). Discontinuing the offending antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) and waiting on Father Time and the human body does not count, technically, as a cure or a treatment, especially because these measures do not yield quick enough results in most cases (by the standard of what a "cure" and an effective, relief-giving "treatment" should be), and even for the people who are lucky and recover within 0-4 months, they still suffer unacceptably and terribly. The depression and sexual dysfunction caused by antipsychotics and paliperidone/Invega specifically, which is all backed up by scientific literature, doctors' opinions and experiences, consensus scientific neurochemistry and thousands of first-hand accounts, even beyond the bluelight.org forum, is,
as I said, almost unparalleled in the entirety of medical and human history (with the notably exception of the similar antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction), a huge matter of public importance and, as I said, invariably severe, incurable, life-altering, unbearably painful, incapacitating, isolating, suicide-increasing and sometimes permanent! The coincidence with other mental health conditions may exacerbate difficulties and suffering (but some people, like myself, have no mental health issues or even psychotic problems ever, in the first place, and were placed on the drug inappropriately, which I discuss later). More importantly, the phenomenon of psychiatric misconduct (which I discuss later) is one, unfortunately, that many people who come down with antispychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction also experience and suffer from. Therefore, in addition to all the harm that this terrible condition, which the public remains uninformed about to the present day (but has been known about to science for decades, for antipsychotics at wide, while paliperidone/Invega has been on the market for "only" 17 years), causes in and of itself, the mistreatment that sufferers typically experience at the hands of psychiatrists, as well as the callousness, uncaring attitudes and lack of action by other collaborating and non-collaborating (with psychiatry) institutions, disciplines, industries and professions of society, exacerbates suffering, isolation, hopelessness, abandonment and suicidality.

Because there is no known cure whatsoever (I have made extensive research into this matter and contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists and none know of a cure, much less a proven treatment), nor even a cure theoretically possible, as I'll discuss in further detail later, as well as no established, proven treatment (to provide any relief whatsoever)--particularly in the realm of traditional psychiatric medication, like serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and adrenergic antidepressants, as well as viagra, cialis (only for erectile dysfunction and not for the other problems, but even for these problems, it does not work in many people, like myself, and also is known to cause increased risk of skin cancer melanoma) and off-label sexual dysfunction treatments (like wellbutrin, pramipexole, other restless legs and parkinsons' drugs that are dopamine agonists, as well as buspirone, addyi, and vyleesi). Since established or prospective, legal psychiatric drugs ostensibly do not cure this condition nor provide any proven relief whatsoever, it is only natural for people suffering from our condition to look for alternatives and look towards "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances which are becoming increasingly legal and whose medical and therapeutic benefit is increasingly acknowledged by science and the public.

The use of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, in our particular circumstance, is especially justified from a medical and therapeutic benefit point of view, since, in addition to the existing and growing legality and acknowledgement of medical and therapeutic benefit for many conditions from various etiologies, there has not been any research done into its promise for benefit to our condition in particular, the otherwise incurable, untreatable and terrible antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction.

Our condition is so terrible that people are, understandably desperate for any cure or treatment to provide any relief whatsoever, in order to escape the dimension of hell that they suffer in without hope otherwise. This desperation and unbearable pain and suffering and hopelessness drives many to risk their lives, further (beyond the risks that antipsychotics pose, which I discuss later), in playing the Unproven Treatment Lottery, which, when it comes to psychiatry and its typical offerings, invariably ends in disappointment, never winning or benefiting, and often suffering from or taking unbelievable risks in, side effects from these unproven psychiatric treatments that are nonetheless otherwise mainstays of psychiatry--side effects that can themselves simply add to the already unbearable suffering, side effects that can be serious, sometimes incurable and sometimes life-destroying, long-term and even permanent!

It can be argued as true, for quite a few people, that these "illicit drugs" and psychotropic substances, which are now being examined (by us, not the medical community, because the medical community at wide does not acknowledge--in spite of the scientific and first-hand evidence--antipsychotic caused depression and sexual dysfunction that is invariably severe, and the medical community also does not care about our problem at all! which I discuss later) produce far less severe, if any, side effects, and at any rate, substantively different ones, than the said, widely accepted psychiatric drugs (that are invariably ineffective in treating our specific condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction). Like I said, this possible therapeutic benefit has to be balanced with the two camps of individuals--those who are not negatively affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing, as well as those who are affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing.

But the severity and magnitude of antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction, along with the promise of (and safety of, for many people) psychotropic drugs, must be weighed against the potential for harm for some people (of said psychotropic drugs) and the possibility of ineffectiveness of psychotropic drugs in helping solve the problem or providing relief for antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction. I believe the potential benefits outweigh the potential harm, although the potential harm must always be discussed. I believe the condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so severe, that it justifies this discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, particularly as a medical therapy (as opposed to merely pleasure seeking or personally-developing or spiritual recreational use).
  • Weed is increasingly legal across many parts of the world. Its benefits are ostensibly attested to by many. Science, medicine and psychiatry are particularly, arguably unfairly biased against psychoactive cannabis, and have not conducted fair research into its benefits for depression, its benefits overall and its medical benefits, although some favorable research does exist.
  • Psilocybin has become legal in very few, but still a few, jurisdictions, in the world, for therapeutic and doctor-approved, monitored use, in depression and other mental health uses. Scientific research has been done into its mental health benefits and more needs to be done. Science, medicine and psychiatry have been, arguably, historically biased against such acknowledgment and research, but attitudes are quickly changing.
  • Ketamine in various forms is already been used off-label as a depression treatment. Esketamine is FDA approved for use in treatment resistant depression and depression with suicidal features.
  • MDMA's therapeutic benefits have been known and surmised for some time, and while not yet approved or legal for therapeutic purposes (to my knowledge), increasing amounts of scientific research has been done indicating favorability.

Other psychotropic substances remain illegal almost universally, to my knowledge, and little if any scientific research has been done into their therapeutic and medical benefit, particularly for depression, although I think this needs to change and I believe there is an argument for their therapeutic and medical benefit, especially for depression.

Since these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances are increasingly being researched as, particularly depression, treatments and increasingly being legalized and allowed as such, therefore it would be logical that people suffering from otherwise incurable, invariably severe, unbearably painful, life-destroying, often long-term and sometimes permanent antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction) would look to them for the possibilities of benefiting in any way!

Furthermore, in the justification of their discussion for medical therapy in our circumstance, we must seriously consider some other very important reasons:

  1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
  3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
  4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
  5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
  6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
  8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
  9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
  10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury, in psychiatry, that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.
  11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
  12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
  13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists

1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
Extensive literature exists confirming that antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causes sexual dysfunction to a considerable degree--first-hand accounts still seem to indicate that this incidence is even higher than literature acknowledges
Psychiatrists, in private clinic and in-patient hospital settings, also testify the same.

The literature on antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causing depression claims it is rare but not absent--first-hand accounts directly contradict this and indicate it is common, if not sometimes (in the case of paliperidone/Invega especially) universal! However, there are many reasons to hold these official side effects studies with suspicion:

A. Psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies have a history of misconduct regarding antipsychotics side effects studies
B. Many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit syndrome
C. The consensus scientific neurochemistry on antipsychotics fundamental mechanisms, on antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunctioning and on psychiatric symptoms commonly reported by people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, namely i. NIDS, ii. general anhedonia, iii. sexual anhedonia/low libido, iv. musical anhedonia, v. coffee (or loss of sensitivity to coffee), directly support a scientific mechanism whereby antipsychotics directly cause all these problems. These consensus neurochemistry theories all concern the dopamine system. Antipsychotics are believed to cause their antipsychotic effects as well as terrible side effects, including depression and sexual dysfunction, via their primary mechanism of inhibiting many dopamine receptors (they are potent dopamine antagonists). The dopamine system is also held to be the primary explanation involved with the aforementioned five problems/symptoms. Therefore, skepticism towards antipsychotics causing depression cannot be warranted, and official side effects studies that report antipsychotic-induced depression as rare should be held with great suspicion, since it directly contradicts the ostensible propensity of antipsychotics, via their direct mechanisms, to directly cause the primary mechanisms held to be involved in these depression/sexual dysfunction symptoms (which can have non-medication etiologies, by the way).
D. because many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, they are likely to misattribute any depression that arises in patients taking antipsychotics (as side effects) to other erroneous causes (quite irresponsibly), like pre-existing psychiatric disorder (even when it can be precluded), "anxiety" (even when it has never existed in the patient), other medications (even when none of those other medications are known to cause depression nor does the theoretical consensus neurochemistry support such a mechanism for doing so), etc. The science of psychiatry confirms the existence of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, coined in 1992, for over 30 years (basically, antipsychotic-induced depression)--the lack of awareness or deliberate non-acknowledgement by many psychiatrists, as well as the pitiful, almost complete worldwide absence (in those 30+ years) of research into NIDS is no excuse nor proof that NIDS does not exist or is not prevalent, but simply an indication of the irresponsibility and lack of caring, initiative and effort by psychiatry, and indeed, the lack of abiding by the tenets of medicine.

However, in spite of all of this, most psychiatrists continue to not warn their patients taking antipsychotics of the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction at all! In the rare event they do (which I know no confirmed case of, of psychiatrists, in-person, verbally warning their patients), they may be surmised to (based on promotional material on antipsychotics and their side effects by many mental health organizations, that I cite at the end of this post) severely downplay and distort those risks, implying that the depression and sexual dysfunction they cause are mild, painless, easily reversible and easily treatable, whereas the exact opposite is true--I have not heard of a single case of mild, painless, easily treatable or easily reversible (compared the usual reversibility of reversible side effects in all medications, including psychiatric drugs, which typically will happen 0-5 days after discontinuing the offending medication) antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction, not a single one! Please correct me if I am wrong and share evidence.

This is made worse and/or perhaps justified (in their eyes, but its no excuse, since the literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus neurochemistry theories and thousands of first-hand accounts indicate otherwise and psychiatrists must be informed and not rely solely on drug company drug labels and/or mental health organization promotional materials) by the pharmaceutical manufacturers' official drug labels for antipsychotics downplaying the risk of depression and sexual dysfunction, or, as in the case of paliperidone/Invega, omitting it entirely! as well as the overwhelming tendency of mental health organization promotional materials on antipsychotics and their side effects to do the same, either downplaying and distorting or omitting entirely the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction (which I link to at the end of this post).

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/022264s023lbl.pdf

I have confirmed these verbal non-disclosures by psychiatrists in both my own experience, in the testimonies of others, and via inquiry and questioning with other psychiatrists, clinics and hospitals. This non-disclosure is the norm.

2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:

Part of the reason for the lack of societal action or acknowledgement at all, of the dangers of antipsychotics, is the social issue. People who take, are prescribed, or forced to take antipsychotics are assumed to be psychotic (in the case of misdiagnosis, this is not true). Psychotic individuals, who in reality, exhibit varying degrees of dangerousness or lackthereof, and varying degrees of function, are blanket-held as being dangerous and threats to society, and treated as subhuman. Thus, there are some who do not care at all about the dangers of antipsychotics because they are "necessary" to treat and control "dangerous" psychotic individuals. The obligation is that safe medication be provided and that antipsychotics should meet some minimum safety standard, and that this obligation is on the psychiatrists and on medicine and not the patient!

Many people, in the public, in psychiatry and in institutions, industries, disciplines and professions that collaborate with psychiatry, like Medicine, Education, Academia, Psychology, abnormal psychology, clinical psychology, forensic psychology, Social work, Social sciences, Criminology, Law, law enforcement, Journalism, News Media, public policy groups, NGOs, government, Pharmaceutical Companies and Pharmacy, also feel that it is justified to outright lie (and therefore, commit criminal negligence, medical malpractice, breach of medical, professional and psychiatric ethics, commit willful deception, risk causing patients personal injury, violate the tenets of medicine, etc.) to patients about these unimaginably serious risks of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, because "unnecessarily alarming" the patient would lead to "non-compliance." That no person on the face of the earth and all of human history would want to take these antipsychotics when informed of the true risks, including of depression and sexual dysfunction, is obvious. That this would lead to "non-compliance" is an invalid, insidious and morally warped argument that lays blame on the patient, who is innocent, and excuses psychiatrists, who are guilty, for both lying and for providing dangerous drugs and not possessing safe antipsychotics--it is the obligation of the psychiatrist and of medicine to research, invent, find, test, possess and furbish safe medication!
If they want compliance, it is their responsibility to have safer medication, plain and simple.

Additionally, the harm caused by these antipsychotics, in regards to depression and sexual dysfunction they cause, as well as numerous other side effects, some acknowledged and not acknowledged (that I discuss elsewhere, for example, see my discussion of my experience of terrible side effects from abilify), that can also be severe, incurable, long-term if not permanent, unbearably painful and life-destroying--all this harm far outweighs the risks of leaving the vast majority of patients with little or no antipsychotic medication (there are also non-invasive, non-medication therapies for psychotic disorders and symptoms), since many of these patients have varying degrees of severity (including no severity in those who have been outright misdiagnosed), with many retaining substantial degrees of function and posing no danger to themselves or others whatsoever. Even in the case of the most non-functioning and/or severely dangerous, severely psychotic individuals, forcing dangerous medication on them, while willfully denying the science and evidence of their danger and not disclosing nor taking this danger seriously and honestly, cannot be justified morally! It is a moral compromise of the highest degree, which is a terrible precedent to set for all of world society. We are excusing willful great harm, extensive misconduct, violation of practically every principle of medicine, and criminal behavior, in the interests of social policy, to keep "psychotic" individuals under control. This is a terrible slippery slope.

Again, I must stress, that the invariably severe, incurable, untreatable, unbearably painful, life-destroying, incapacitating, often long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, hopelessness inducing, suicide-increasing nature of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so widespread and so severe and harm causing, that we cannot every justify it morally, in any circumstance whatsoever, even in the most severe and dangerous circumstances, much less in the milder, non-dangerous circumstances. Additionally, turning a blind eye to the misconduct of psychiatry in these regards (as well as turning a blind eye to this same misconduct that many in collaborating institutions, professions, industries and professions actually agree with and, thus, enable, endorse or even participate in) is unacceptable and also risks enabling, endorsing and encouraging the other kinds of misconduct psychiatry commits (which I talk about later, extensively). Like I said, it is a moral compromise of the highest degree, beyond what most people consider and imagine.

Additionally, we must further be on the side of patients and suspicious of psychiatrists for reasons I discuss later, like;
the fact that the patients have their skin in the game regarding antipsychotics risks and the psychiatrists do not,
and the patients effectively, when it should be the psychiatrists who are responsible for this, actually do most if not all of the work on determining truly safe and acceptable antipsychotic candidates (which is an ongoing effort that psychiatry is not helping out with and will take untold ages, regarding which is the safest antipsychotic and on whether a truly safe and acceptably safe antipsychotic actually exists or not), while the psychiatrists, especially in regards to this terrible depression and sexual dysfunction, have deliberately done and will continue to do nothing, in terms of determining safety and pursuing safety.
I also discuss later that, while psychotic individuals may indeed have impaired perceptions and/or delusions, they are not known to be compulsive liars, and their impaired perceptions and/or delusions are largely unrelated to medicine, and I know of no case of "medical delusion" suggesting that these patients would lie about side effects. That so many thousands universally report the same side effects, like the severe depression and sexual dysfunction I constantly talk about, makes it further unlikely that any, much less all of these people, are lying or suffering from a "medical side effects" delusion, especially given that there is psychiatric literature, psychiatrists' testimony, scientific neuroscience consensus on directly related mechanisms that confirm the validity of all these thousands of first-hand testimonies!
On the other hand, psychiatrists have been known to lie very often (which I discuss in detail later) engage in extensive misconduct (which I discuss in detail throughout this post), have a conflict of interest relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that make antipsychotics (which would lead them to downplay or deny side effects risks) (the same pharmaceutical companies that have been sued and settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars, regarding misleading safety science and concealing side effects and other misconduct, of these same antipsychotics!), and, as I have said and say again later, have no skin in the game. Psychiatrists practically never take antipsychotics. Since they never have to be exposed to the risks of antipsychotics, they have less incentive than the patients who do have to risk their lives taking antipsychotics, to be realistic and truthful about potential risks. Psychiatrists don't take the antipsychotics they prescribe patients
The conflict of interest and lack of skin in the game should raise red flags all over the world--psychiatrists for these reasons, in spite of the expertise (and caring, honesty, medical integrity, etc.) that they are supposed to have, are thus questionable authorities on "side effects" risks of antipsychotics (that these risks, like depression and sexual dysfunction, should be called side effects, is a misnomer, because their prevalence as well as the scientific neuroscience, strongly supports that these are not side effects but fundamental, primary effects resulting directly from the main mechanism of antipsychotics, upon the main mechanism of which the side effects and symptoms are caused).
Finally, psychiatrists have been known to also engage in misconduct with, be abusive towards, etc. their "psychotic" patients, as I discuss later. This would give us all the more reason to suspect that they don't care about their "psychotic" patients (and even dislike them, undeservedly, and harbor malice, evidently) and are not trustworthy enough to provide safe care to these patients and prevent harm to them. That the public and society, and even patients themselves, should ignore all this evidence and not be alarmed, in the name of prudence, in the name of all that is right and good, is disastrous!


3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, and continue to discuss it subsequently.

4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, but I will mention a bit more.

Basically, it is up to the patients to fend for themselves. Many acknowledge they have continuing psychotic problems of some degree or another and are in fact highly interested and vested in finding safer, an ultimately, acceptably safe, antipsychotics. Essentially, these patients have to take the official side effects studies with a grain of salt, and assume that all acknowledged side effects are perhaps much worse and more common than the side effects studies admit, and then assume, with reasonable cause, that antipsychotics, any of them, can variously cause severe side effects that psychiatry largely does not acknowledge.

The matter of antipsychotics and taking them is essentially a minefield, a minefield that the patients alone have to wade through, while the psychiatrists themselves never enter it at all! The safe pathway through this minefield has yet to be definitively found. We need a minimum standard of safety in this minefield, there is little room for error! Because patients have won the data (psychiatrists have not, they simply take the data from the pure, primary source and do with it what they may, whether that be honesty, correcting the "mistakes" of patient reports, or outright distortion and lying) themselves, because the patients themselves have entered the terrible battlefield and no man's land and come back, we should always give them the greater benefit of the doubt and treat them and their testimonies and reports with respect.

Indeed, antipsychotics, in my experience and those of others, is, from a game-theory perspective, somewhat like a perverse game of Russian Roulette, where we all know that there are at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber, and quite possibly, the entire chamber is full. Now, the only difference in this case might be that, in the game of antipsychotics Russian Roulette, the gun chamber would arguably hold more than 6 bullets, and could hold quite a few. That doesn't change things very much, however, since, still, we all can reasonably believe that there at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber and, until the true safety and true risks of all known antipsychotics, in and of themselves and in comparison to each other, are conclusively determined, we can all reasonably believe, based on our own personal experiences with antipsychotics, based on others' first hand accounts, based on the literature and science, based on the misconduct, lying and distortion (of psychiatrists who downplay these risks), etc. that most or even the entire chamber, regardless of how many bullets it can hold, is potentially full of bullets!

This is why it will be my continual effort and life long project (among others) that I conclusively determine the true safety of all antipsychotics, together and by themselves, in the search for the safest one and the search for whether there are any acceptably, truly safe ones (even though I don't nor have ever needed antipsychotics).

Again, the psychiatrists, with no skin in the game and never being exposed to these risks at all, and with the evidence of misconduct, bias and conflict of interest, have little incentive, and certainly much less so than the patients, to conduct and conclude such a truly exhaustive, effort-requiring search. This is all in spite of what the standards of psychiatry are supposed to be. These psychiatrists are supposed to possess the scientific know how to conduct and complete such a search. They are also supposed to possess the ethics, the commitment to the tenets of medicine, the hardworking characteristics and responsibility and initiative, and the human compassion, required to conduct and complete such a search. Yet, they have systemically failed all of us in this regard, especially as it pertains to the terrible epidemic of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction.


5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously and will continue to discuss.

6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
There are no known cure for low libido and sexual anhedonia, wherein the physical health is fine (normal hormones, normal urology, no infectious diseases or congenital disorders, etc.). There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. There is no known cure or treatment for antidepressant induced sexual dysfunction (as I mentioned previously, see https://rxisk.org/prize/
There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression. The only research whatsoever I have ever found, in the annals of all of medicine and psychiatry, for antipsychotic induced depression are two Japanese (English-language) studies that feature case-studies of a grand total of only four Japanese people, in regards to treatment for Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. These individuals did not have sexual dysfunction (according to the researchers and treating doctors, at least). They also seemed to have the version of antipsychotic-induced depression which resolves itself, upon discontinuation of the medication and with Father Time and the human body, within 0-4 months. The studies did not indicate how quickly the patients healed. They did not indicate subjectives on the level of pain and suffering the patients were experiencing. While the patients were given ECT and two other antidepressants, it is not established whether these had any true effect on recovery. In my opinion, it was most likely entirely due to discontinuing the antipsychotic in question (none of which were paliperidone/Invega) and leaving it to Father Time and the human body to heal. That ECT is barbaric, invasive, seizure-inducing, scientifically ill-advised and known to cause both pain and harm, should make us question its use at all. The other two antidepressants have no special features which would suggest that they would be particularly suited, from a theoretical point of view, to cure Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. In other patients, like myself, with a long-term version of antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction), some of these same antidepressants have not proven effective or providing of relief at all. Simply put, there is not enough correlation evidence anywhere else to lead us to believe that these depression treatments given to these 4 Japanese people have any effect at all. The research pool and sample size is simply too small.

So, again, no treatment studies for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction have been done whatsoever in the west in all of history, to my knowledge (please correct me if I am wrong and you know otherwise!)


7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
Already discussed this.

8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
This should be self-evident, unless someone can provide me with evidence to the contrary.

Believe me, I want to see that evidence and have every incentive to want to see that evidence and not to lie! One of the goals of my life (extremely justifiable considering my suffering, the incurability of my antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the injustice, mistreatment and lack of help and caring I have experienced in regards to the problem and its resolution) is to advocate for the problem of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, in all its aspects! and of course, seek justice for this personal injury and find a treatment and a cure for it. This is obvious from all my posts on the bluelight.org forum threads for paliperidone/Invega, including this post, as well as my many writings, communications and advocacy efforts. I have contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists! I have contacted over 120+ news media, journalists and NGOs! All for these purposes!

So if anyone should know that the public is not informed about this problem, it would likely be me, because I am doing everything possible to reverse the situation and inform the entire world! but, unfortunately, I cannot get people to care, much less to provide any help or take any action whatsoever! I, of course, will never stop until this changes and we can attain real results. People like us who are suffering from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction need this help and action so badly!

There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:


9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
I talked about this previously but will expand upon it further, especially in regards to the main topic of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as medical treatment candidates for our condition (and thus, the justification for them to be discussed on these paliperidone bluelight.org forum threads).

It is my opinion that the damage that antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction causes and its related contexts--the invariable severity, the unbearable suffering, the destruction of life activities, the incapacitation, the long-term aspect, the sometimes permanent reality, the incurability and untreatability, the increased isolation, the hopelessness, the lack of help and the mistreatment, the increase in suicide--is so enormous and unique and irreparable, combined with the science that confirms this is a direct result of the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics, would support the world characterizing antipsychotics, especially paliperidone/Invega, as Illegal Weapons of War, per the standards of the Geneva Conventions and related international treaties and domestic laws. They cause unique (few if any other poisons, weapons or substances known to man can cause these), uniquely terrible, irreparable damage.

Additionally, since they typically cause no outward signs of injury, these antipsychotics have much in common with methods of torture like waterboarding and feet whipping. Those methods of torture have been abused throughout history precisely because they typically cause no outward signs of injury and thus, plausible deniability of torture having occurred can be cited by those who use these methods of torture. Thus, antipsychotics are rife for abuse as methods of torture, since they are so discreet and since there is little, if any public scrutiny, awareness or even caring about the issue. This discreetness and lack of scrutiny in their harm and the potential for them to be abused and exploited as weapons of torture, are all the more reasons to classify them as Illegal Weapons of War, and to raise public awareness about them as such.

I talk later about psychiatry's unbridled, unchecked power in the courts that explicitly undermines and violates procedural rules and traditions of fair and due process, rights to give testimony and defend oneself, rights to present arguments and counter arguments and rights to give evidence as well as examine and dispute evidence, etc. and how this unbridled power can be abused, not only in the pursuit of outright cruelty, but towards the ends of political oppression, which has already happened in China and can happen elsewhere in the world, and that this unbridled power of psychiatry and its consequences and specific powers and effects can be exploited by state and non-state actors (such as by the corrupt elements of other industries, disciplines, institutions and professions) and that the open, unchecked potential for this will invariably invite its exploitation, soon enough, and should be held by the entire world as being unacceptable, especially since it encourages and facilitates the spread of and/or increase of corruption, oppression, wrongdoing, lawlessness and misery elsewhere and in society as a whole.

Now, why is this relevant to finding a cure and a treatment? It is relevant to our theoretical speculation. No psychiatric drugs work as treatments or cures for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Therefore, we may want to seek more powerful substances, like said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, which may have a stronger effect on the neurochemicals and any permanent damage/inhibition/dysfunction that likely exists. However, there is already plenty of testimony that coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and even psilocybin have no effect whatsoever (which is basically unheard of and not even thought to be scientifically possible) on people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. We must then ask the question, is a treatment or a cure even possible?

When we consider my argument that antipsychotics are Illegal Weapons of War, that they cause such extensive, severe, unique and irreparable damage, we can also speculate that the current state of civilization, science and medicine is unable to solve this problem. There are knife designs which are illegal by the Geneva Conventions, international treaties and law, and domestic laws, because their design causes cuts that cannot be repaired and cause the victim to bleed out and die quickly. Our current state of civilization, science and medicine cannot remedy this. It may be a similar situation with antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Even if everyone in the world deeply cared and worked on this problem, even if we had all the expertise and money in the world, we may simply not be at an advanced enough state of civilization, science and medicine to solve the problem.

If no psychiatric drugs work, if even "illicit drugs" or powerful psychotropic substances (even the most powerful known to man!) do not have any effect whatsoever (much less, provide any relief or cure), if no known medicine, natural or synthetic, can solve this problem, then what can we do? We would have to invent or discover a substance or medication that is several orders of magnitude stronger, more effective, more advanced and different/unique from all known medicine and substances in human history thus far! Therefore, I say, there may be no cure or treatment possible.

Therefore, I say, we should at least consider the strongest psychotropic substances we have available, given these circumstances of lacking candidates for treatment and a cure of this problem of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. These are some of the most logical candidates to pursue, before concluding that the situation is currently hopeless.

I have argued, prior to, and now again, that there are two camps--those for whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" cause substantial benefits and do not cause side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, and those form whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" may or may not have benefits, but for whom any combination of side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, happen.

However, I believe the matter should be discussed and considered, nonetheless, because antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction demands a treatment and a cure--there is none so far, and it is invariably severe, life-destroying, incapacitating, unbearably painful, long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, suicide-increasing, etc. and the thousands of people confirmed to be currently suffering from it as well as the likely tens and hundreds of thousands of people who are likely suffering from it worldwide in all of history, should all justify discussion of ("illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances) being pursued as a treatment/cure candidate. There are also scientific ways to conduct safe trials, screening out sufferers of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction who are disposed to harmful effects, and allowing only those sufferers who are largely immune to (said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances') harmful effects and have demonstrated history of beneficial reaction.

10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury,
in psychiatry,
that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.

This is simply a summary/listing of all known misconduct, or at least, a comprehensive list of misconduct that I focus on, regarding psychiatry.

11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
I have already discussed this before and/or discuss it later.

12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
Many first hand accounts indicate that psychiatrists fabricate outright, distort and misquote patients, their admissions and sayings, and examples of symptoms and behaviors, especially in the context of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and disorders. Some of these can be disputed if they are completely uncharacteristic of the patient, have not occurred anywhere else and all other evidence suggests the contrary.
In other instances, psychiatrists do not abide by robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards. The norm should be that specific examples and details are cited, of patient behavior, admissions, symptoms, etc. that can be mapped to known, established, canonical, clinical specific behaviors and symptoms. Many times, psychiatrists do not abide by these standards, and may simply indicate "Yes/No" to a certain alleged behavior, symptom and/or admission. Sometimes, psychiatrists even resort to hearsay--vague allegations of psychotic behavior, for instance, that cannot reliably be mapped to these aforementioned, specific, known, established, canonical, clinical behaviors and symptoms. The problem becomes even more serious when you consider that most non-psychiatrists--who defer to them and esteem them as infalliable, with zero accountability in place--most of these non-psychiatrists lack an understanding or any interest in robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards, and thus not only might offer vague allegations themselves, but would be swayed by the vague allegations of others, including psychiatrists, and convinced by psychiatric reports that fall short of valid, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards.

Additionally, these robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards must support the strict criteria the DSM-V sets out. In many situations, psychiatrists violate this. They diagnose people with, for instance, schizophrenia even when the criteria are not met. A diagnosis of schizophrenia requires some combination of the required criteria--psychotic symptoms like hallucinations, delusions, thought disorders, disorganized thinking and speech, gross disorganization, swarthiness/dirtiness, flat affect/amotivation, etc.--repeated, during a period of 6 months, etc. For an active diagnosis, this period of 6 months should be recent, at worse, and really, should be current. Psychiatrists may give an active diagnosis of schizophrenia based on allegations from years past, for which there is no proof that they are continuing, have reappeared, etc. whatsoever! They do this, when really, the worst they should possibly do is to say the patient is long ago fully recovered from schizophrenia. Often times, these allegations from years past themselves do not themselves even constitute, for instance, schizophrenia (for any of the reasons I talk about, but specifically, for the reason of not meeting the 6-month requirement, etc.), but at most, a temporary psychotic disorder, and yet, these bad faith psychiatrists, violating the rules of diagnostics flagrantly, insist the patient has a currently active long-term psychotic disorder! The misconduct and bad faith boggles the mind. The bad faith clearly amounts to intentional spite and character assassination.

I have also experienced cases, particularly with my longtime and current psychologist, where the provider not only lied and invented observations of psychotic behavior and symptoms, but clearly acted in bad faith in its regards, also calling into question their integrity and legitimacy. My psychologist recently, for instance, noted, for several months of meetings (but not all of them), that I committed "loose associations/flight of ideas." I know the canonical examples of these. Some good ones can be found here (but certainly there are more):
I have never ever comitted loose associations/flight of ideas. He not only failed to give any examples, but he failed to even discuss the matter with me whatsoever! Additionally, my two psychiatrists during the same period made explicit observations to the contrary, that I had no such thought disorganization or verbal disorganization. All psychiatric and psychological providers are ostensibly supposed to help their patients, actively and continually, with all suspected and active mental health problems. If his observations on my "loose associations/flight of ideas" had any legitimacy whatsoever, he should have, of course, been transparent and discussed these with me in a timely manner. He never mentioned them once. When I confronted him, too late, he said he didn't remember. The same psychologist apparently has done the same thing to me in the past, without me knowing. In earlier years, he has claimed to other providers that I had thought disorganization and delusions (which I have never ever had). Unfortunately, my efforts are still ongoing and I need to confront him about this in our next meeting coming up in under a week.

For all these problems of misdiagnosis, we can surmise what happened and dispute it all we want, but the only surefire method of accountability and discovering the truth is audio and video evidence.

If audio and video evidence were mandated, especially in the context of psychotic disorders allegations/allegations of dangerous behavior, where the stakes are so high--if such evidence was mandated, that is, the psychiatrist would have to offer to conduct such evidence, with the consent of the patient--this would effectively eliminate 99% of all misdiagnosis and most other psychiatric misconduct. It would very likely push many naughty psychiatrists out of the profession altogether, after they realize they can no longer operate with impunity, without any public scrutiny or accountability whatsoever, and so their victimizing and abusive schemes would no longer be possible. For the same reason, psychiatry is likely to push back against audio and video evidence, even though in the 1950s and 1960s, for instance, it was common for psychiatrists and patients to appear together on video, for the sake of records of diagnostics. This requirement would be strict but easily done. It would require that audio and video evidence exist to document
any and all specific allegations of specific psychotic behavior, symptoms and admissions. It would require that this audio and video evidence be clearly mappable to known, established, canonical, clinical specific symptoms and behavior. It would require that this audio and video evidence directly support the full diagnostic criteria and requirements of a psychotic disorder, according to the DSM-V. Everyone in the world possesses smart phones these days. All these smart phones are capable of high quality video and audio recording, operated with ease, without any filmmaking, audio engineering, audiophile/musician credentials required, by everyone, including millions of little kids!

The privacy law and policy can be overcome with consent of the patient, who would surely want to hold their psychiatrist accountable (but may not want to divulge their psychotic symptoms, if they do indeed have them and admit to them).
At any rate, it is in the great interest of the public welfare and holding psychiatry accountable to eschew privacy, at least of the patient. Any privacy complaints on the part of the providers (not wanting to lose their privacy) is bogus, since they really only have to be off camera asking questions that are a standard procedure of their duties. Additionally, note that psychiatrists and hospitals regularly violate patients privacy, without their consent, and freely share psychiatric reports and medical data with law enforcement, government agencies and even non government entitites, because of the privacy law exemption of "need to know" in the "fulfilment of duties" by these other entitities. Why doesn't this extend to the public? Well, it does. Of course, there is a counterpart, the Freedom of Information Act. Otherwise, there would be a terrible imbalance of power. Essentially, psychiatrists, government and other organizations would be able to share patient data at will, while not being themselves subject to any scrutiny! They would have unchecked power to commit wrongdoing, while the public would have little ability to keep them in check. The purpose of FOIA, on the federal and state level, is to shine a light on government activities, specifically in the purpose of holding government accountable from abuses of power and lawbreaking. The FOIA is an exemption to the privacy law and policy, which applies to government entities and activities. Unforunately, it does not apply to private organizations like most, but not all, psychiatrists and hospitals, which is silly since they are themselves allowed to violate privacy and have unscrutinized power. When said psychiatrists and hospitals are carrying out Emergency Detentions, Involuntary Commitments, court-mandated community orders, or their diagnoses are otherwise pursuant to and authorizing government activities, government power and government mandates, these psychiatrists and hospitals could be argued to be contractors of the government and, arguably, seemleess, indispensable, extensions of government activity and therefore subject to FOIA. The point, however, is that psychiatrists have too much unchecked power.

Audio and video evidence then becomes even more important and singular as a measure of quality control and accountability and preventing abuse of power, misconduct, lying, etc. and shifting the balance of power back to the hands of the people, the patients, the public.

Government is supposed to be by the people, for the people. If they have unchecked power and are able to abuse it and break the law with impunity, then the citizens will suffer, the authority of the government will be invalid, law and order will be threatened, chaos and suffering and destruction will become widespread and society will go into decline.

Psychiatrists are supposed to serve the people, serve their patients and the public good and welfare, uphold the law, act ethically and morally, uphold medical and professional ethics, etc. If they have too much unchecked power, then, similarly, medicine will suffer, the public trust will be violated, the public welfare will suffer, law and order will be threatened, and suffering and corruption will spread.

This is why audio/video evidence is so important. There is no other way to disprove a psychiatric and psychological treatment provider, there is no other method of holding them accountable, there is no other method of proving that the provider has committed wanton misconduct and outright lies and fabrications! Unfortunately, the public and even the law holds psychiatrists in unquestioned esteemed, regarding them as infallibe in these regards, that their "word" is always superior to that of the patient. The only way to combat this, then, is irrefutable audio/video evidence (to the contrary).

For this reason, you will see me lobbying and advocating for the mandate of offering (with the patients consent) the requirement of audio and video evidence. I will lobby and advocate for this to the entire earth, to every government, every institution, every industry, every discipline, every profession, every organization, all of the public, etc. It is the holy grail and perhaps the only option of keeping psychiatrists accountable in regards to diagnosis and all the threats that result, all the misconduct that issues from this source.

13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists
I discussed this before, but my focus in this section is particularly in regards to people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Our mistreatment ultimately increases our suffering and only underscores the need to free us from the unbearable hell we are unjustly, undeservedly stuck in (and which is the fault of the explicit wrongdoing of others and not ourselves), and, thus, the exploration/consideration/discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as candidates for treatment and cures.

Many of us, including myself, who suffer from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction witness our psychiatrists deny these side effects came from antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega, even when the circumstances (no other medication being taken, no other possible candidate or cause) confirm it, even when the known science confirms it, even when all other causes, like negative symptoms of a psychotic disorder, pre-existing psychiatric disorders and mental health issues,
and other health problems (like abnormal hormones, abnormal urology, etc.) are all ruled out!

These psychiatrists may have a conflict of interest and want to deny the cause of the side effects, because, if they prescribed the antipsychotic in question, this admission may implicate them as incompetent and guilty of criminal negligence and breach of medical ethics and lack of duty of care. Some of them may simply be incompetent or outright cruel. At any rate, it is wrong.

They will typically misattribute the depression and sexual dysfunction to other causes, like "anxiety" (even when the patient has never experienced anxiety in their lives!), or attribute them to non-existent mental health issues, and/or lifestyle, behavioral, mindset and cognitive factors, even when these issues and factors were not present/not abnormal in the patients life before or ever (as is the case with me). This is not only incompetent and incorrect, but insulting.

In many cases of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, all these other factors and explanations can be ruled out with undeniable evidence. In most of these cases, the medication-caused depression and its specific total anhedonia and specific symptoms, like loss of ability to enjoy and engage in art, loss of religious faculties, loss of coffee and psychotropic substances sensitivity, loss of social and romantic faculties, loss of all pleasure and enjoyment and motivation in and from any source and activity, loss of exercise capacity, enjoyment, motivation and benefits, loss of beauty faculties, loss of ability to cook, loss of motivation to eat healthy, inability to go to school and to work, inability to take care of oneself and basic chores, loss of housecleaning abilities and faculties, loss of ability to take care of dependents and pets, etc. never existed prior (like my case, where I never had a problem with motivation, enjoyment and benefits from these activities and thrived in them all my life),
and so cannot be related to any pre-existing mental health problem.

Additionally, in many cases, lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition is a non-factor, because not only in many cases, is it true that the patient never had problems with these but were stellar with these (as my case), but in most cases that I know of, if not all, adjustments in lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition have no beneficial effect on the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. It is a fallacy on the part of psychiatrists and outsiders who believe otherwise. In non-medication etiologies, essentially etiologies that could be surmised to directly come from lifestyle/mindset/behavior, etc. these lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition factors, causes/contributors and therapies could be held as valid, but not in the case of medication-induced etiologies, especially antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, where the evidence suggests they play little if any role and offer no benefit. It certainly has not for me, and believe me, if the things I used to do and thrive in, could be continually done and could offer any benefit whatsoever (the precise symptoms and nature of this condition is that healthy lifesetyle, behavioral and mental practices no longer are effective, beneficial or even work in the first place, due likely to the fundamental mechanism of the offending antipsychotic) I would have noticed, desperate as I am to get out of the hell I am in.

Thus, psychiatrists' continual, incompetent or outright deliberate insistence that these problems are not from the antispychotic (which they are) but are due to deficits in lifestyle/cognition/mindset/behavior is highly insulting and essentially is character degradation and belittlement.

This reaches its xenith when psychiatrists, as I can testify to and others here can testify to, as well, deny that our medication-caused sexual dysfunction was, in fact, medication cause, or that it is severe as it is, or that it is as important as it is. One of my psychiatrists (and similar things have happened to others in my situation)--who of course had no expertise in sexual dysfunction whatsoever, never admitted such, never offered any drug or therapy, never suggested I see any other expert, doctor, urologist, sexual medicine specialist, or even psychiatrist with sexual dysfunction specialty authorized to prescribe sexual dysfunction drugs--and who, of course, denied the antipsychotic cause of it--belittled me and downplayed the importance of proper sexual functioning and the distress and pain with sexual dysfunction.

He told me, callously, tone-deaf (especially since his criminal negligence helped cause it in the first place) that I should find another source of pleasure (as if anyone should be denied their right to proper sexual functioning!), which itself was absurd, callous and tone deaf, because I was seeing him precisely because I was suffering from a complete void of any pleasure, any joy whatsoever.

Furthermore, many psychiatrists, including all my psychiatrists, deliberately interfere with our seeking treatment for these side effects of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. In spite of clear evidence for an active diagnosis of sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction and hyposexual desire disorder, not one of my psychiatrists at any time put any diagnosis whatsoever into the record, of such. This has gone on for almost 15 months! What a farce! I am continually pressuring me current psychiatrist to do so, but he continues to play games and refuses to put it into the records, in spite of verbally agreeing to do so. In time, I will complain to my state's licensing commission about his behavior and even seek litigation, news media coverage, NGO/watchdog help, etc. Unfortunately, these struggles with psychiatrists' deliberate detrimental and bad faith behavior, with psychiatrists not following through on reasonable promises, etc. are all too common.


14. Disclaimer, I am not antipsychiatry

I am not anti-psychiatry, I love psychiatry! Psychiatry fascinates me; effective, safe psychiatric care, treatment and medication is my passion! I love the Hippocratic oath, and medical efforts to gather and share data and findings and discover cures and treatments! I love unshakable ethics and honesty in psychiatry and medicine! I love due diligence!

That's why it's so important that errors and mistakes, misconduct, dishonesty, misdiagnosis and unsafe medication be identified, punished, resolved, prevented and removed from the profession! from psychiatry and medicine!

That's why laziness and negligence in gathering and sharing data, and laziness and negligence in finding and researching cures and treatments upsets me and should also be addressed, identified, discouraged and remedied

That's why any psychiatric lawbreaking in the legal context must also be identified, punished, resolved, prevented, remedied and removed! I love psychiatry, medicine and law and am very passionate about promoting and enhancing the good it does, while identifying, preventing and remedying errors, mistakes, wrongdoing, misconduct and bad, mistaken practices that are, that have, and that can occur in psychiatry, medicine and the legal profession!

I really care about psychiatry and I especially care about patients and that they receive the best health care possible and that are kept safe from harm, from errors and mistakes, from misconduct, from law-breaking!

Discussing and remedying these problems is in everybody's interest, and especially psychiatry's interests. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding, honest, caring, empathetic, humanistic, responsible, hard-working, full of high quality individuals who are mentally sound, kind, responsible, knowledgeable, widely experienced. Psychiatry is supposed to abide by rigorous, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards, based on known, established canonical and clinical specific examples of symptoms and behavior. Psychiatry is supposed to have effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be constantly searching for effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be, as medicine does, constantly reporting incidences of side effects and sharing information with the wider medical community in order to better undestand, better prevent, better treat and solve problems, side effects and diseases. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding and not subject to corruption or bias, nor enabling or participating in wrongdoing in their own profession or in conjunction with any other institution, profession, industry or discipline. Psychiatry is not supposed to allow itself to be exploited, at all, as a tool of political oppression. Psychiatry should not allow any of its psychiatric drugs, including antipsychotics, to be used as weapons. Psychiatrists are supposed to hold each other accountable. It is healthy for all professions, institutions, disciplines and industries to feature self and cross-criticism. Psychiatry is supposed to have accountability mechanisms, from within and without, for all of its activities, especially accurate diagnosis (precluding the possibility of lying, etc.), safe medication, and its power in the court context.
Psychiatry is supposed to have public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, to create a favorable balance of power, since they are in positions of great power and great fiduciary and public trust and privilege.

Without such public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, if there is an imbalance of power and no scrutiny, such great power and great fiduciary privilege will invite and encourage the worst kinds of people to take up residence. Who? People who like to hurt and victimize others, people who relish and abuse power, people with harmful personality disorders and even sociopathic, psychotic tendencies--these same people love to look for situations in which there is little public scrutiny or accountability, situations where there is an unchecked imbalance of power, situations in which there is great privilege and great power and great potential ability to harm. We know this from evidence from elsewhere in society and history: Abusers of the elderly, abusers of children, abusers of women, those who commit rape, those who commit theft, both white collar and blue collar, ponzi schemes, false accusations, false accustations of sexual assault, political oppression and torture, war, genocide and torture, extrajudicial murder, the examples go on and on.

Yet there continues to be little public scrutiny of psychiatry. There continues to be effectively little accountability mechanisms for psychiatry and some of its chief problems that I cite (like misdiagnosis, where I offer the audio/video evidence requirement solution) (and the legal process and its unbridled power there, which I offer some suggestions for solutions). There continues to be unintentional or deliberate lack of public awareness and societal action. And there continues to be almost zero criticism (correct me if I'm wrong and please share examples) of psychiatry and psychiatrists by psychiatrists themselves (to an extent that I have never seen in any other profession, institution, discipline, industry in all of known history!) as well as very little criticism of psychiatry by other institutions, disciplines, industries and professions, many of whom collaborate with psychiatry, too many of whom enable, endorse and participate in its errors, problems and misconduct, and most of whom should fundamentally, actually be holding psychiatry accountable.

I am advocating for these issues so intensely because not only are they such titanic issues of public welfare and societal importance, but precisely because there is, unbelievably, so little attention and action given to them. It is unprecedented in history. Never before in history has there ever been such intense and extensive systemic problems that have been so, largely, ignored by the rest of society!


15. Abilify--somehwat undocumented severe side effects, supporting probable cause to believe in the understated and unknown dangers of antipsychotics generally

I have discussed elsewhere on these threads how I took abilify and what severe side effects it caused me.

I took abilify twice in my life (for an extended period, 7-9 months each) and on both occasions, it resulted in severe, incurable, irreversible weight gain. Before I first took abilify, I was a skinny athlete and distance runner all my life. I have never gained any significant amount of weight (other than growing, which stopped when I was a sophomore in high school, and other than building muscle) in my life, except the two occasions I took abilify! Also, on both occasions, abilify caused me terrible central breathing problems (failure of the subcortex's function in autonomic breathing, caused by abilify), both waking and sleeping. Both times, it lasted one month and went away on its own, thankfully. It was terrifyingly painful and distressing, like being waterboarded or drowning. There is no known cure for any central breathing problem, and no established treatment. Inhalers did not help.

These two instances were ten years apart! I never had these problems anytime else in my life and abilify was the only medication I was taking when these problems developed!
Additionally, to support my claim that the weight gain was not only severe but incurable and irreversible, in the 10 intermittent years, in spite of having been off abilify for 10 years (and so it should have, like most side effects, been easily reversible, within 0-4 days, or within 1 month at least), I was never able to lose most of the weight. This is in spite of 10 years of religious daily exercise (distance running, sprinting, swimming, weights, yoga, sports) and religious daily healthy eating: I was a very accomplished and active cook; my diet was varied, including occasional meats, Vitamin B-12, EPA and DHA omega-3 fatty acids sources, from certain fish, like herring, for instance, and clams, mollusks, etc., including various foods like eggs and nuts, etc.; including many plant based foods; I often practiced extended bouts of vegetarianism, of veganism, and even raw veganism; I visited the Optimum Health Institute in San Diego, a raw vegan and lifestyle institute, three times. These rigorous practices would have been sufficient for most normal people to lose a lot of weight.


Conclusion; appeal to restore certain deleted and possibly deleted comments
I hope you may consider my reasons and allow discussion of sexual side effects and "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances on these threads, especially in the medical context of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and finding cures and treatments for it (none of which are known to exist). I hope you may consider undeleting/restoring any comments you may have deleted which could fall under these exemptions and justifications.

I, for instance, discussed weed/psychoactive cannabis, as causing psychosis (and/or harm/addiction/dependence) in some people, while causing no psychosis (nor harm/addiction/dependence) in others but offering extensive benefit. While I did not frame it in a non-recreational, explicitly medical context, I implied the medical context and the context of its potential use as a treatment/cure for our condition. Of course, like I said before, it should be noted that even though it should be considered a treatment/cure for our condition, our condition, the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, is typically so severe, that it innately seems to preclude being able to use (be affected by, enjoy, enjoy medical benefits from) "illicit drugs", psychotropic substances and particularly psychoactive cannabis in the first place! Such is the horror of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, that is shuts down/inhibits/damages the neurochemical receptors involved in all pleasure, many drugs and medications, and possibly all psychoactive substances. As I argued before, this is not a "side effect" but a fundamental action of the antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega (based on the consensus scientific neurochemistry, that I discussed previously). Thus, many if not all of us actively suffering from this condition are unable to enjoy or be affected by coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and other "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances. If we are not able to be affected by them, this would not only limit the hope of them being used as medical therapies in our particular circumstance (of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction) but it would at the same time largely shut down any concerns about psychosis-causing and/or addiction/harm/dependence, since for many of us, these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances wouldn't even affect us at all in the first place, much less affect us to the point of causing any harm.


Post-script
Here are links to the six threads on paliperidone's side effects from the bluelight.org forum with thousands of responses.

Of course, everyone on these threads are on these threads! So why am I reiterating them? Because I wanted to discuss some pertinent points about these threads:

Almost all posters describe severe, incurable and life-destroying depression and sexual dysfunction, to the exclusion of all other side effects cumulatively*--those side effects summated--by a factor of at least 100x! (according to the manufacturer drug label for paliperidone, all side effects acknowledged by the manufacturer--but not including depression and sexual dysfunction, which they omit--have a cumulative, summated incidence percentage of, in my rough calculation, 15-20% of all patients taking the medication): see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2010/021999s018lbl.pdf

https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone.701129/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v-2.749358/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v3.861790/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v4.894001/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-injections-v-5-0.912999/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-xeplion-injections-v-6-0.927257/
The bluelight.org forum threads on paliperidone, even in the age of social media and the internet, is a totally unprecedented testimony of universal side effects to a particular drug in a conspicuous drug class. Since most people suffering from psychiatric drug effects don't post on internet forums, much less find them, and since the reported incidence of these particular side effects is so universal to the multifactorial exclusion of all other side effects (which, summatted, are supposed to represent huge numbers of paliperidone users anyway), and given that 1-3 million people are on antipsychotics in the United States alone annually, the numbers of people suffering paliperidone caused depression and sexual dysfunction--which is invariably severe and incurable--in the United States alone, every year, is likely in the tens of thousands, at a minimum. Worldwide, over the 17 years paliperidone has been on the market, the numbers are unimaginable as is the human toll.
If we consider that any and all antipsychotics can and are known to cause depression and sexual dysfunction as well, the numbers of people suffering annually in the United States and worldwide from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is simply unimaginable, as well! And for all the decades these antipsychotics have been on the market (and they are heavily marketed worldwide, given pharmaceutical company proven-zealousness in business, and psychiatry's enthusiasm for prescribing them) countless people worldwide would have been affected. It is of course for this reason I am constantly searching to find these people in order to bring them out of the woodwork, gather their patient data and experiences, give them a voice, give them comfort, give them counseling, give them some relief and give them justice.

*this is also to the massive exclusion of manboobs, or Gynecomastia, which was the subject of litigation for huge amounts of money! See

Here is a list of websites, of major mental health organizations, regarding antipsychotics and their side effects, that omit or otherwise downplay the risks of these side effects:
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/treatments/drugs/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/common-adverse-effects-of-antipsychotic-agents-in-the-elderly
https://www.merckmanuals.com/profes...nia-and-related-disorders/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.goodtherapy.org/drugs/anti-psychotics.html
https://nyulangone.org/conditions/schizophrenia/treatments/medication-for-schizophrenia
https://www.wch.sa.gov.au/professionals/clinical-resources/antipsychotic-package
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Treatments/Mental-Health-Medications/Types-of-Medication
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...ons/Types-of-Medication/Paliperidone-(Invega)
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...cations/Medication-Induced-Sexual-Dysfunction
https://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/antipsychotic-medication
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/medicines-to-treat-schizophrenia
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/first-second-generation-antipsychotics
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/side-effects-of-lurasidone
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-146718/paliperidone-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-20575/geodon-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8661/haloperidol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1444/chlorpromazine-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1699/zyprexa-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5419/haldol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-9846/risperdal-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4718/seroquel-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-64437-4274/aripiprazole-oral/aripiprazole-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5557/loxapine-oral/details
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/antipsychotic-medications
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-...th-mental-illness/medications/antipsychotics/
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/mental-health-medications

As well as the https://www.youngminds.org.uk/ pages on aripiprazole, chlorpromazine, clozapine, olanzapine, quetiapine and risperidone.

I have contacted all of these websites about updating their inaccurate information, but only two have responded at all, saying that they will review the information for accuracy: Merck Manuals and Rethink.
^ seriously though you’d probably be a good book writer you know finding a passion is a good thing to do while going through rough times helps keep you distracted I bet you could become famous if you put your mind to it.
 
Yes I read everything I agree with you
While I agree in large part with what you say, I think there are some important exceptions to consider.

Sexual side effects discussion considerations
While graphic, discussions of sexual activity on the topic of paliperidone/Invega and antipsychotics' notorious, established (literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus theoretical neurochemistry and first-hand accounts) links with causing perhaps the most severe, extensive and complete sexual dysfunction (erectile dysfunction, size reduction, low/no libido, sexual anhedonia (loss of all sexual and romantic pleasure, well beyond orgasm), weak and abnormal, pleasureless orgasms, loss of romantic pleasure and faculties, even beyond sexual) known and possible to mankind (with the exception of antidepressants that can cause just as severe and permanent post-SSRI/post-SNRI sexual dysfunction) (no other substance, poison or weapon known to mankind is able to achieve such destruction, to my knowledge) would seem to be extremely warranted and unavoidable. It would seem that graphic discussion of sexual problems and the severe harm, suffering, distress, humiliation, loss of social-functioning, isolation and suicidality that it causes, would be in the interests of public welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of bluelight.org, with the exception of any rules on obscenity. Perhaps a compromise may be reached, with posters on these paliperidone (and any antipsychotic and antidepressant threads) in the interests of abiding by non-obscenity rules, toning down their discussions on the sexual side effects and making them more sterile and medical.


Psychotropic substances discussion considerations
As for the matter of "illicit drugs," there are of course a couple of valid bluelight.org and arguably, generally-existing (even outside of bluelight.org) and accepted policy considerations. It is true that most of these "illicit drugs" do, in fact, remain largely illegal in most jurisdictions in the entire world--therefore, there is some basis to restrict its discussion based solely on illegality of subject matter alone.

It is also true that these "illicit drugs" can contribute to psychosis, especially in individuals with an already established and admitted history of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and problems, in any degree of severity. However, it is also true that these "illicit drugs" do not contribute to (have not been noted or found to contribute to) psychosis in many people, whether they have psychotic problems in any degree, whether they have other mental health issues, or whether they are in fact totally free of mental defect whatsoever. Nevertheless, in the interests of harm reduction, it could be justified to restrict discussion of "illicit drugs," or psychotropic substances.

However, since psychotropic substance discussion, or "illicit drugs," is allowed elsewhere on the site, in designated areas, perhaps we might consider exceptions, especially when we consider other extremely important and justified reasons of profound public significance, which I will go into elaborate detail later. Consider that the policy restriction on discussing "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, is a bit arbitrary and circumstantial. Paliperidone/invega recovery/side effect threads (as might similar threads on other antipsychotics) just happen to be in the Dark Side section. It doesn't necessarily have to be. Of course, the Dark Side section is focused on mental health recovery in general and harm-reduction, and ostensibly, its overt philosophy is "drug-free", or at least "illicit drug" free or psychotropic drug-free, "sober-living" etc., since these psychotropic drugs can, in some people, both cause harm, dependence and/or abusive use, and harm in that addiction/dependence/abusive use. Additionally, the explicit policy of the Dark Side section is to discourage and outright prohibit discussion of said "illicit drugs," or psychotropic drugs, because, ostensibly, the section is for people who have had problems with said drugs. However, like I said, the association of antipsychotic troubleshooting threads, like these paliperidone/Invega ones, with the Dark Side section, may be arbitrary and circumstantial. It may be partly justified since antipsychotic users can have mental health issues (but, importantly, there is the phenomenon of misdiagnosis, which I talk about later, which leads to people who are completely free of mental health problems being misled or even being forced to use antipsychotics that can be extremely dangerous while having no benefit whatsoever to these people who don't have psychotic problems at all!) as well as substance-abuse problems. However, we must consider that there are many users of antipsychotics (even beyond some not having mental health problems at all) that don't have harm/addiction/dependence/abusive/psychosis-inducing use problems related to these same "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, and in fact, benefit from them.

While many people in these threads cite "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances in the context of recreational use, many many others are very obviously talking about these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances clearly in the context of medical use. In spite of their illegality in many jurisdictions and adversarial medical opinions on their usefulness, they have at the same time, become increasingly legal in many jurisdictions around the world and are being more and more recognized as having valid, proven medical, therapeutic usefulness. If you consider further arguments I am about to share, then you may understand why this increasing legality and scientific as well as public recognition of medical and therapeutic usefulness is so important to the discussion of antipsychotic and paliperidone/Invega troubleshooting, recovery, healing (from the side effects of depression and sexual dysfunction), such as in these threads, and why it is so relevant to the interests of public health and welfare, psychiatry, medicine, law and even the goals of the bluelight.org forum.

The overwhelming theme of all the paliperidone/Invega threads, which are ostensibly for any side effects from paliperidone, as well as other issues unrelated to side effects (but, largely side effects and recovery from them), has become the overwhelming report and propensity for paliperidone/Invega to cause depression and sexual dysfunction. The depression and sexual dysfunction paliperidone/Invega is said to cause, on these threads (and that I can confirm in my own terrible experience and non-stop, incurable life-destroying suffering of 14-15 months straight now), is invariably severe. It is invariably without a cure and effectively incurable (total relief and healing) and mostly untreatable (no relief whatsoever). Discontinuing the offending antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) and waiting on Father Time and the human body does not count, technically, as a cure or a treatment, especially because these measures do not yield quick enough results in most cases (by the standard of what a "cure" and an effective, relief-giving "treatment" should be), and even for the people who are lucky and recover within 0-4 months, they still suffer unacceptably and terribly. The depression and sexual dysfunction caused by antipsychotics and paliperidone/Invega specifically, which is all backed up by scientific literature, doctors' opinions and experiences, consensus scientific neurochemistry and thousands of first-hand accounts, even beyond the bluelight.org forum, is,
as I said, almost unparalleled in the entirety of medical and human history (with the notably exception of the similar antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction), a huge matter of public importance and, as I said, invariably severe, incurable, life-altering, unbearably painful, incapacitating, isolating, suicide-increasing and sometimes permanent! The coincidence with other mental health conditions may exacerbate difficulties and suffering (but some people, like myself, have no mental health issues or even psychotic problems ever, in the first place, and were placed on the drug inappropriately, which I discuss later). More importantly, the phenomenon of psychiatric misconduct (which I discuss later) is one, unfortunately, that many people who come down with antispychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction also experience and suffer from. Therefore, in addition to all the harm that this terrible condition, which the public remains uninformed about to the present day (but has been known about to science for decades, for antipsychotics at wide, while paliperidone/Invega has been on the market for "only" 17 years), causes in and of itself, the mistreatment that sufferers typically experience at the hands of psychiatrists, as well as the callousness, uncaring attitudes and lack of action by other collaborating and non-collaborating (with psychiatry) institutions, disciplines, industries and professions of society, exacerbates suffering, isolation, hopelessness, abandonment and suicidality.

Because there is no known cure whatsoever (I have made extensive research into this matter and contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists and none know of a cure, much less a proven treatment), nor even a cure theoretically possible, as I'll discuss in further detail later, as well as no established, proven treatment (to provide any relief whatsoever)--particularly in the realm of traditional psychiatric medication, like serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and adrenergic antidepressants, as well as viagra, cialis (only for erectile dysfunction and not for the other problems, but even for these problems, it does not work in many people, like myself, and also is known to cause increased risk of skin cancer melanoma) and off-label sexual dysfunction treatments (like wellbutrin, pramipexole, other restless legs and parkinsons' drugs that are dopamine agonists, as well as buspirone, addyi, and vyleesi). Since established or prospective, legal psychiatric drugs ostensibly do not cure this condition nor provide any proven relief whatsoever, it is only natural for people suffering from our condition to look for alternatives and look towards "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances which are becoming increasingly legal and whose medical and therapeutic benefit is increasingly acknowledged by science and the public.

The use of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, in our particular circumstance, is especially justified from a medical and therapeutic benefit point of view, since, in addition to the existing and growing legality and acknowledgement of medical and therapeutic benefit for many conditions from various etiologies, there has not been any research done into its promise for benefit to our condition in particular, the otherwise incurable, untreatable and terrible antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction.

Our condition is so terrible that people are, understandably desperate for any cure or treatment to provide any relief whatsoever, in order to escape the dimension of hell that they suffer in without hope otherwise. This desperation and unbearable pain and suffering and hopelessness drives many to risk their lives, further (beyond the risks that antipsychotics pose, which I discuss later), in playing the Unproven Treatment Lottery, which, when it comes to psychiatry and its typical offerings, invariably ends in disappointment, never winning or benefiting, and often suffering from or taking unbelievable risks in, side effects from these unproven psychiatric treatments that are nonetheless otherwise mainstays of psychiatry--side effects that can themselves simply add to the already unbearable suffering, side effects that can be serious, sometimes incurable and sometimes life-destroying, long-term and even permanent!

It can be argued as true, for quite a few people, that these "illicit drugs" and psychotropic substances, which are now being examined (by us, not the medical community, because the medical community at wide does not acknowledge--in spite of the scientific and first-hand evidence--antipsychotic caused depression and sexual dysfunction that is invariably severe, and the medical community also does not care about our problem at all! which I discuss later) produce far less severe, if any, side effects, and at any rate, substantively different ones, than the said, widely accepted psychiatric drugs (that are invariably ineffective in treating our specific condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction). Like I said, this possible therapeutic benefit has to be balanced with the two camps of individuals--those who are not negatively affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing, as well as those who are affected by "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, in terms of abuse/harm/dependence/addiction/psychosis-causing.

But the severity and magnitude of antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction, along with the promise of (and safety of, for many people) psychotropic drugs, must be weighed against the potential for harm for some people (of said psychotropic drugs) and the possibility of ineffectiveness of psychotropic drugs in helping solve the problem or providing relief for antipsychotic-caused depression and sexual dysfunction. I believe the potential benefits outweigh the potential harm, although the potential harm must always be discussed. I believe the condition of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so severe, that it justifies this discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropics, particularly as a medical therapy (as opposed to merely pleasure seeking or personally-developing or spiritual recreational use).
  • Weed is increasingly legal across many parts of the world. Its benefits are ostensibly attested to by many. Science, medicine and psychiatry are particularly, arguably unfairly biased against psychoactive cannabis, and have not conducted fair research into its benefits for depression, its benefits overall and its medical benefits, although some favorable research does exist.
  • Psilocybin has become legal in very few, but still a few, jurisdictions, in the world, for therapeutic and doctor-approved, monitored use, in depression and other mental health uses. Scientific research has been done into its mental health benefits and more needs to be done. Science, medicine and psychiatry have been, arguably, historically biased against such acknowledgment and research, but attitudes are quickly changing.
  • Ketamine in various forms is already been used off-label as a depression treatment. Esketamine is FDA approved for use in treatment resistant depression and depression with suicidal features.
  • MDMA's therapeutic benefits have been known and surmised for some time, and while not yet approved or legal for therapeutic purposes (to my knowledge), increasing amounts of scientific research has been done indicating favorability.

Other psychotropic substances remain illegal almost universally, to my knowledge, and little if any scientific research has been done into their therapeutic and medical benefit, particularly for depression, although I think this needs to change and I believe there is an argument for their therapeutic and medical benefit, especially for depression.

Since these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances are increasingly being researched as, particularly depression, treatments and increasingly being legalized and allowed as such, therefore it would be logical that people suffering from otherwise incurable, invariably severe, unbearably painful, life-destroying, often long-term and sometimes permanent antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction) would look to them for the possibilities of benefiting in any way!

Furthermore, in the justification of their discussion for medical therapy in our circumstance, we must seriously consider some other very important reasons:

  1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
  3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
  4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
  5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
  6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
  7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
  8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
  9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
  10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury, in psychiatry, that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.
  11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
  12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
  13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists

1. The non-disclosure of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
Extensive literature exists confirming that antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causes sexual dysfunction to a considerable degree--first-hand accounts still seem to indicate that this incidence is even higher than literature acknowledges
Psychiatrists, in private clinic and in-patient hospital settings, also testify the same.

The literature on antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega causing depression claims it is rare but not absent--first-hand accounts directly contradict this and indicate it is common, if not sometimes (in the case of paliperidone/Invega especially) universal! However, there are many reasons to hold these official side effects studies with suspicion:

A. Psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies have a history of misconduct regarding antipsychotics side effects studies
B. Many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit syndrome
C. The consensus scientific neurochemistry on antipsychotics fundamental mechanisms, on antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunctioning and on psychiatric symptoms commonly reported by people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, namely i. NIDS, ii. general anhedonia, iii. sexual anhedonia/low libido, iv. musical anhedonia, v. coffee (or loss of sensitivity to coffee), directly support a scientific mechanism whereby antipsychotics directly cause all these problems. These consensus neurochemistry theories all concern the dopamine system. Antipsychotics are believed to cause their antipsychotic effects as well as terrible side effects, including depression and sexual dysfunction, via their primary mechanism of inhibiting many dopamine receptors (they are potent dopamine antagonists). The dopamine system is also held to be the primary explanation involved with the aforementioned five problems/symptoms. Therefore, skepticism towards antipsychotics causing depression cannot be warranted, and official side effects studies that report antipsychotic-induced depression as rare should be held with great suspicion, since it directly contradicts the ostensible propensity of antipsychotics, via their direct mechanisms, to directly cause the primary mechanisms held to be involved in these depression/sexual dysfunction symptoms (which can have non-medication etiologies, by the way).
D. because many psychiatrists are not aware of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, they are likely to misattribute any depression that arises in patients taking antipsychotics (as side effects) to other erroneous causes (quite irresponsibly), like pre-existing psychiatric disorder (even when it can be precluded), "anxiety" (even when it has never existed in the patient), other medications (even when none of those other medications are known to cause depression nor does the theoretical consensus neurochemistry support such a mechanism for doing so), etc. The science of psychiatry confirms the existence of Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome, coined in 1992, for over 30 years (basically, antipsychotic-induced depression)--the lack of awareness or deliberate non-acknowledgement by many psychiatrists, as well as the pitiful, almost complete worldwide absence (in those 30+ years) of research into NIDS is no excuse nor proof that NIDS does not exist or is not prevalent, but simply an indication of the irresponsibility and lack of caring, initiative and effort by psychiatry, and indeed, the lack of abiding by the tenets of medicine.

However, in spite of all of this, most psychiatrists continue to not warn their patients taking antipsychotics of the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction at all! In the rare event they do (which I know no confirmed case of, of psychiatrists, in-person, verbally warning their patients), they may be surmised to (based on promotional material on antipsychotics and their side effects by many mental health organizations, that I cite at the end of this post) severely downplay and distort those risks, implying that the depression and sexual dysfunction they cause are mild, painless, easily reversible and easily treatable, whereas the exact opposite is true--I have not heard of a single case of mild, painless, easily treatable or easily reversible (compared the usual reversibility of reversible side effects in all medications, including psychiatric drugs, which typically will happen 0-5 days after discontinuing the offending medication) antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction, not a single one! Please correct me if I am wrong and share evidence.

This is made worse and/or perhaps justified (in their eyes, but its no excuse, since the literature, doctors' testimonies, consensus neurochemistry theories and thousands of first-hand accounts indicate otherwise and psychiatrists must be informed and not rely solely on drug company drug labels and/or mental health organization promotional materials) by the pharmaceutical manufacturers' official drug labels for antipsychotics downplaying the risk of depression and sexual dysfunction, or, as in the case of paliperidone/Invega, omitting it entirely! as well as the overwhelming tendency of mental health organization promotional materials on antipsychotics and their side effects to do the same, either downplaying and distorting or omitting entirely the risks of depression and sexual dysfunction (which I link to at the end of this post).

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/022264s023lbl.pdf

I have confirmed these verbal non-disclosures by psychiatrists in both my own experience, in the testimonies of others, and via inquiry and questioning with other psychiatrists, clinics and hospitals. This non-disclosure is the norm.

2. Harmful misguided dogmas of "compliance" and "social-harmony" and the callousness and non-acknowledgement about these side effects as well as the endorsement of lying about these side effects!
There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:

Part of the reason for the lack of societal action or acknowledgement at all, of the dangers of antipsychotics, is the social issue. People who take, are prescribed, or forced to take antipsychotics are assumed to be psychotic (in the case of misdiagnosis, this is not true). Psychotic individuals, who in reality, exhibit varying degrees of dangerousness or lackthereof, and varying degrees of function, are blanket-held as being dangerous and threats to society, and treated as subhuman. Thus, there are some who do not care at all about the dangers of antipsychotics because they are "necessary" to treat and control "dangerous" psychotic individuals. The obligation is that safe medication be provided and that antipsychotics should meet some minimum safety standard, and that this obligation is on the psychiatrists and on medicine and not the patient!

Many people, in the public, in psychiatry and in institutions, industries, disciplines and professions that collaborate with psychiatry, like Medicine, Education, Academia, Psychology, abnormal psychology, clinical psychology, forensic psychology, Social work, Social sciences, Criminology, Law, law enforcement, Journalism, News Media, public policy groups, NGOs, government, Pharmaceutical Companies and Pharmacy, also feel that it is justified to outright lie (and therefore, commit criminal negligence, medical malpractice, breach of medical, professional and psychiatric ethics, commit willful deception, risk causing patients personal injury, violate the tenets of medicine, etc.) to patients about these unimaginably serious risks of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, because "unnecessarily alarming" the patient would lead to "non-compliance." That no person on the face of the earth and all of human history would want to take these antipsychotics when informed of the true risks, including of depression and sexual dysfunction, is obvious. That this would lead to "non-compliance" is an invalid, insidious and morally warped argument that lays blame on the patient, who is innocent, and excuses psychiatrists, who are guilty, for both lying and for providing dangerous drugs and not possessing safe antipsychotics--it is the obligation of the psychiatrist and of medicine to research, invent, find, test, possess and furbish safe medication!
If they want compliance, it is their responsibility to have safer medication, plain and simple.

Additionally, the harm caused by these antipsychotics, in regards to depression and sexual dysfunction they cause, as well as numerous other side effects, some acknowledged and not acknowledged (that I discuss elsewhere, for example, see my discussion of my experience of terrible side effects from abilify), that can also be severe, incurable, long-term if not permanent, unbearably painful and life-destroying--all this harm far outweighs the risks of leaving the vast majority of patients with little or no antipsychotic medication (there are also non-invasive, non-medication therapies for psychotic disorders and symptoms), since many of these patients have varying degrees of severity (including no severity in those who have been outright misdiagnosed), with many retaining substantial degrees of function and posing no danger to themselves or others whatsoever. Even in the case of the most non-functioning and/or severely dangerous, severely psychotic individuals, forcing dangerous medication on them, while willfully denying the science and evidence of their danger and not disclosing nor taking this danger seriously and honestly, cannot be justified morally! It is a moral compromise of the highest degree, which is a terrible precedent to set for all of world society. We are excusing willful great harm, extensive misconduct, violation of practically every principle of medicine, and criminal behavior, in the interests of social policy, to keep "psychotic" individuals under control. This is a terrible slippery slope.

Again, I must stress, that the invariably severe, incurable, untreatable, unbearably painful, life-destroying, incapacitating, often long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, hopelessness inducing, suicide-increasing nature of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction is so widespread and so severe and harm causing, that we cannot every justify it morally, in any circumstance whatsoever, even in the most severe and dangerous circumstances, much less in the milder, non-dangerous circumstances. Additionally, turning a blind eye to the misconduct of psychiatry in these regards (as well as turning a blind eye to this same misconduct that many in collaborating institutions, professions, industries and professions actually agree with and, thus, enable, endorse or even participate in) is unacceptable and also risks enabling, endorsing and encouraging the other kinds of misconduct psychiatry commits (which I talk about later, extensively). Like I said, it is a moral compromise of the highest degree, beyond what most people consider and imagine.

Additionally, we must further be on the side of patients and suspicious of psychiatrists for reasons I discuss later, like;
the fact that the patients have their skin in the game regarding antipsychotics risks and the psychiatrists do not,
and the patients effectively, when it should be the psychiatrists who are responsible for this, actually do most if not all of the work on determining truly safe and acceptable antipsychotic candidates (which is an ongoing effort that psychiatry is not helping out with and will take untold ages, regarding which is the safest antipsychotic and on whether a truly safe and acceptably safe antipsychotic actually exists or not), while the psychiatrists, especially in regards to this terrible depression and sexual dysfunction, have deliberately done and will continue to do nothing, in terms of determining safety and pursuing safety.
I also discuss later that, while psychotic individuals may indeed have impaired perceptions and/or delusions, they are not known to be compulsive liars, and their impaired perceptions and/or delusions are largely unrelated to medicine, and I know of no case of "medical delusion" suggesting that these patients would lie about side effects. That so many thousands universally report the same side effects, like the severe depression and sexual dysfunction I constantly talk about, makes it further unlikely that any, much less all of these people, are lying or suffering from a "medical side effects" delusion, especially given that there is psychiatric literature, psychiatrists' testimony, scientific neuroscience consensus on directly related mechanisms that confirm the validity of all these thousands of first-hand testimonies!
On the other hand, psychiatrists have been known to lie very often (which I discuss in detail later) engage in extensive misconduct (which I discuss in detail throughout this post), have a conflict of interest relationship with the pharmaceutical companies that make antipsychotics (which would lead them to downplay or deny side effects risks) (the same pharmaceutical companies that have been sued and settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars, regarding misleading safety science and concealing side effects and other misconduct, of these same antipsychotics!), and, as I have said and say again later, have no skin in the game. Psychiatrists practically never take antipsychotics. Since they never have to be exposed to the risks of antipsychotics, they have less incentive than the patients who do have to risk their lives taking antipsychotics, to be realistic and truthful about potential risks. Psychiatrists don't take the antipsychotics they prescribe patients
The conflict of interest and lack of skin in the game should raise red flags all over the world--psychiatrists for these reasons, in spite of the expertise (and caring, honesty, medical integrity, etc.) that they are supposed to have, are thus questionable authorities on "side effects" risks of antipsychotics (that these risks, like depression and sexual dysfunction, should be called side effects, is a misnomer, because their prevalence as well as the scientific neuroscience, strongly supports that these are not side effects but fundamental, primary effects resulting directly from the main mechanism of antipsychotics, upon the main mechanism of which the side effects and symptoms are caused).
Finally, psychiatrists have been known to also engage in misconduct with, be abusive towards, etc. their "psychotic" patients, as I discuss later. This would give us all the more reason to suspect that they don't care about their "psychotic" patients (and even dislike them, undeservedly, and harbor malice, evidently) and are not trustworthy enough to provide safe care to these patients and prevent harm to them. That the public and society, and even patients themselves, should ignore all this evidence and not be alarmed, in the name of prudence, in the name of all that is right and good, is disastrous!


3. The onus for finding safer antipsychotics is on psychiatry and medicine, not patients, even though, practically speaking, it is patients who are doing most of the work and psychiatrists are doing little, if anything!
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, and continue to discuss it subsequently.

4. The search for the safer antipsychotic
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously, but I will mention a bit more.

Basically, it is up to the patients to fend for themselves. Many acknowledge they have continuing psychotic problems of some degree or another and are in fact highly interested and vested in finding safer, an ultimately, acceptably safe, antipsychotics. Essentially, these patients have to take the official side effects studies with a grain of salt, and assume that all acknowledged side effects are perhaps much worse and more common than the side effects studies admit, and then assume, with reasonable cause, that antipsychotics, any of them, can variously cause severe side effects that psychiatry largely does not acknowledge.

The matter of antipsychotics and taking them is essentially a minefield, a minefield that the patients alone have to wade through, while the psychiatrists themselves never enter it at all! The safe pathway through this minefield has yet to be definitively found. We need a minimum standard of safety in this minefield, there is little room for error! Because patients have won the data (psychiatrists have not, they simply take the data from the pure, primary source and do with it what they may, whether that be honesty, correcting the "mistakes" of patient reports, or outright distortion and lying) themselves, because the patients themselves have entered the terrible battlefield and no man's land and come back, we should always give them the greater benefit of the doubt and treat them and their testimonies and reports with respect.

Indeed, antipsychotics, in my experience and those of others, is, from a game-theory perspective, somewhat like a perverse game of Russian Roulette, where we all know that there are at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber, and quite possibly, the entire chamber is full. Now, the only difference in this case might be that, in the game of antipsychotics Russian Roulette, the gun chamber would arguably hold more than 6 bullets, and could hold quite a few. That doesn't change things very much, however, since, still, we all can reasonably believe that there at least 2-3 bullets in the chamber and, until the true safety and true risks of all known antipsychotics, in and of themselves and in comparison to each other, are conclusively determined, we can all reasonably believe, based on our own personal experiences with antipsychotics, based on others' first hand accounts, based on the literature and science, based on the misconduct, lying and distortion (of psychiatrists who downplay these risks), etc. that most or even the entire chamber, regardless of how many bullets it can hold, is potentially full of bullets!

This is why it will be my continual effort and life long project (among others) that I conclusively determine the true safety of all antipsychotics, together and by themselves, in the search for the safest one and the search for whether there are any acceptably, truly safe ones (even though I don't nor have ever needed antipsychotics).

Again, the psychiatrists, with no skin in the game and never being exposed to these risks at all, and with the evidence of misconduct, bias and conflict of interest, have little incentive, and certainly much less so than the patients, to conduct and conclude such a truly exhaustive, effort-requiring search. This is all in spite of what the standards of psychiatry are supposed to be. These psychiatrists are supposed to possess the scientific know how to conduct and complete such a search. They are also supposed to possess the ethics, the commitment to the tenets of medicine, the hardworking characteristics and responsibility and initiative, and the human compassion, required to conduct and complete such a search. Yet, they have systemically failed all of us in this regard, especially as it pertains to the terrible epidemic of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction.


5. The bad faith of psychiatry in regards to antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and its treatment and curing
Incidentally, I have already discussed this matter previously and will continue to discuss.

6. No treatments and cures are being researched, or have ever been (with two measly possible exceptions, the Japanese NIDS studies covering a grand total of four people!), for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction
There are no known cure for low libido and sexual anhedonia, wherein the physical health is fine (normal hormones, normal urology, no infectious diseases or congenital disorders, etc.). There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. There is no known cure or treatment for antidepressant induced sexual dysfunction (as I mentioned previously, see https://rxisk.org/prize/
There is no known cure or treatment for antipsychotic induced depression. The only research whatsoever I have ever found, in the annals of all of medicine and psychiatry, for antipsychotic induced depression are two Japanese (English-language) studies that feature case-studies of a grand total of only four Japanese people, in regards to treatment for Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. These individuals did not have sexual dysfunction (according to the researchers and treating doctors, at least). They also seemed to have the version of antipsychotic-induced depression which resolves itself, upon discontinuation of the medication and with Father Time and the human body, within 0-4 months. The studies did not indicate how quickly the patients healed. They did not indicate subjectives on the level of pain and suffering the patients were experiencing. While the patients were given ECT and two other antidepressants, it is not established whether these had any true effect on recovery. In my opinion, it was most likely entirely due to discontinuing the antipsychotic in question (none of which were paliperidone/Invega) and leaving it to Father Time and the human body to heal. That ECT is barbaric, invasive, seizure-inducing, scientifically ill-advised and known to cause both pain and harm, should make us question its use at all. The other two antidepressants have no special features which would suggest that they would be particularly suited, from a theoretical point of view, to cure Neuroleptic Induced Deficit Syndrome. In other patients, like myself, with a long-term version of antipsychotic induced depression (and sexual dysfunction), some of these same antidepressants have not proven effective or providing of relief at all. Simply put, there is not enough correlation evidence anywhere else to lead us to believe that these depression treatments given to these 4 Japanese people have any effect at all. The research pool and sample size is simply too small.

So, again, no treatment studies for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction have been done whatsoever in the west in all of history, to my knowledge (please correct me if I am wrong and you know otherwise!)


7. First-hand testimonies of antipsychotics are trustworthy and always superior to psychiatrists' opinions--why psychiatrists have no skin in the game and are biased
Already discussed this.

8. The public awareness problem--the public is not informed of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society do not care and do not help (as of yet, in spite of advocacy efforts)
This should be self-evident, unless someone can provide me with evidence to the contrary.

Believe me, I want to see that evidence and have every incentive to want to see that evidence and not to lie! One of the goals of my life (extremely justifiable considering my suffering, the incurability of my antipsychotic (paliperidone/Invega) induced depression and sexual dysfunction, and the injustice, mistreatment and lack of help and caring I have experienced in regards to the problem and its resolution) is to advocate for the problem of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, in all its aspects! and of course, seek justice for this personal injury and find a treatment and a cure for it. This is obvious from all my posts on the bluelight.org forum threads for paliperidone/Invega, including this post, as well as my many writings, communications and advocacy efforts. I have contacted over 200 of the world's leading psychiatrists! I have contacted over 120+ news media, journalists and NGOs! All for these purposes!

So if anyone should know that the public is not informed about this problem, it would likely be me, because I am doing everything possible to reverse the situation and inform the entire world! but, unfortunately, I cannot get people to care, much less to provide any help or take any action whatsoever! I, of course, will never stop until this changes and we can attain real results. People like us who are suffering from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction need this help and action so badly!

There are of course some notable exceptions--see the following links for journalists, lawyers, psychologists and doctors who extensively, with evidence, argue precisely about the underestimated extreme dangers of antipsychotics, their overprescribing and overadministration and the lack of effectiveness of these regimens as well as the harm they cause:


9. The search for a cure and a treatment (for antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction)--the theoretical science, the poor prospects, the justification for considering "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances
I talked about this previously but will expand upon it further, especially in regards to the main topic of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as medical treatment candidates for our condition (and thus, the justification for them to be discussed on these paliperidone bluelight.org forum threads).

It is my opinion that the damage that antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction causes and its related contexts--the invariable severity, the unbearable suffering, the destruction of life activities, the incapacitation, the long-term aspect, the sometimes permanent reality, the incurability and untreatability, the increased isolation, the hopelessness, the lack of help and the mistreatment, the increase in suicide--is so enormous and unique and irreparable, combined with the science that confirms this is a direct result of the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics, would support the world characterizing antipsychotics, especially paliperidone/Invega, as Illegal Weapons of War, per the standards of the Geneva Conventions and related international treaties and domestic laws. They cause unique (few if any other poisons, weapons or substances known to man can cause these), uniquely terrible, irreparable damage.

Additionally, since they typically cause no outward signs of injury, these antipsychotics have much in common with methods of torture like waterboarding and feet whipping. Those methods of torture have been abused throughout history precisely because they typically cause no outward signs of injury and thus, plausible deniability of torture having occurred can be cited by those who use these methods of torture. Thus, antipsychotics are rife for abuse as methods of torture, since they are so discreet and since there is little, if any public scrutiny, awareness or even caring about the issue. This discreetness and lack of scrutiny in their harm and the potential for them to be abused and exploited as weapons of torture, are all the more reasons to classify them as Illegal Weapons of War, and to raise public awareness about them as such.

I talk later about psychiatry's unbridled, unchecked power in the courts that explicitly undermines and violates procedural rules and traditions of fair and due process, rights to give testimony and defend oneself, rights to present arguments and counter arguments and rights to give evidence as well as examine and dispute evidence, etc. and how this unbridled power can be abused, not only in the pursuit of outright cruelty, but towards the ends of political oppression, which has already happened in China and can happen elsewhere in the world, and that this unbridled power of psychiatry and its consequences and specific powers and effects can be exploited by state and non-state actors (such as by the corrupt elements of other industries, disciplines, institutions and professions) and that the open, unchecked potential for this will invariably invite its exploitation, soon enough, and should be held by the entire world as being unacceptable, especially since it encourages and facilitates the spread of and/or increase of corruption, oppression, wrongdoing, lawlessness and misery elsewhere and in society as a whole.

Now, why is this relevant to finding a cure and a treatment? It is relevant to our theoretical speculation. No psychiatric drugs work as treatments or cures for antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Therefore, we may want to seek more powerful substances, like said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances, which may have a stronger effect on the neurochemicals and any permanent damage/inhibition/dysfunction that likely exists. However, there is already plenty of testimony that coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and even psilocybin have no effect whatsoever (which is basically unheard of and not even thought to be scientifically possible) on people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. We must then ask the question, is a treatment or a cure even possible?

When we consider my argument that antipsychotics are Illegal Weapons of War, that they cause such extensive, severe, unique and irreparable damage, we can also speculate that the current state of civilization, science and medicine is unable to solve this problem. There are knife designs which are illegal by the Geneva Conventions, international treaties and law, and domestic laws, because their design causes cuts that cannot be repaired and cause the victim to bleed out and die quickly. Our current state of civilization, science and medicine cannot remedy this. It may be a similar situation with antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Even if everyone in the world deeply cared and worked on this problem, even if we had all the expertise and money in the world, we may simply not be at an advanced enough state of civilization, science and medicine to solve the problem.

If no psychiatric drugs work, if even "illicit drugs" or powerful psychotropic substances (even the most powerful known to man!) do not have any effect whatsoever (much less, provide any relief or cure), if no known medicine, natural or synthetic, can solve this problem, then what can we do? We would have to invent or discover a substance or medication that is several orders of magnitude stronger, more effective, more advanced and different/unique from all known medicine and substances in human history thus far! Therefore, I say, there may be no cure or treatment possible.

Therefore, I say, we should at least consider the strongest psychotropic substances we have available, given these circumstances of lacking candidates for treatment and a cure of this problem of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction. These are some of the most logical candidates to pursue, before concluding that the situation is currently hopeless.

I have argued, prior to, and now again, that there are two camps--those for whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" cause substantial benefits and do not cause side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, and those form whom psychotropic substances, "illicit drugs" may or may not have benefits, but for whom any combination of side effects, bad trips, harm, addiction/abuse/dependence, or psychosis, happen.

However, I believe the matter should be discussed and considered, nonetheless, because antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction demands a treatment and a cure--there is none so far, and it is invariably severe, life-destroying, incapacitating, unbearably painful, long-term and sometimes permanent, isolating, suicide-increasing, etc. and the thousands of people confirmed to be currently suffering from it as well as the likely tens and hundreds of thousands of people who are likely suffering from it worldwide in all of history, should all justify discussion of ("illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances) being pursued as a treatment/cure candidate. There are also scientific ways to conduct safe trials, screening out sufferers of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction who are disposed to harmful effects, and allowing only those sufferers who are largely immune to (said "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances') harmful effects and have demonstrated history of beneficial reaction.

10. The phenomenon of misdiagnosis, misconduct, bad behavior, breaches of medical and professional ethics, breach of and undermining of law and fair and due process, violations of upstanding psychiatric principles, psychiatry abused as political oppression, dangerous drugs, non-disclosure of risks, flawed psychiatric drugs (especially antipsychotics) safety and side effects studies (alleged and, to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), pharmaceutical company (antidepressants and, especially, antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega) misconduct (alleged, and to my knowledge, proven, in the court of law), medical malpractice, criminal negligence and personal injury,
in psychiatry,
that goes unchecked by psychiatrists themselves as well as all the other institutions, disciplines, professions and industries of society (many of whom coordinate with psychiatry and even enable, endorse and participate in psychiatry's said wrongdoings, especially in regard to the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction atrocities) and remains rampant (even in spite of litigation, especially in the case of antipsychotics' manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and their antipsychotics, of which there are many lawsuits which have been settled for hundreds of millions to billions of dollars!) to the present day.

This is simply a summary/listing of all known misconduct, or at least, a comprehensive list of misconduct that I focus on, regarding psychiatry.

11. Not a "side-effect" but a fundamental effect--a consideration of the consensus scientific neurochemistry, connecting the fundamental mechanism of antipsychotics (including paliperidone/Invega) to specific depression and sexual dysfunction symptoms
I have already discussed this before and/or discuss it later.

12. The nightmare of misdiagnosis--deliberate maliciousness; "unintentional" incompetence--as well as its only remedy as well as its main, only, surefire proof
Many first hand accounts indicate that psychiatrists fabricate outright, distort and misquote patients, their admissions and sayings, and examples of symptoms and behaviors, especially in the context of psychotic behaviors, symptoms and disorders. Some of these can be disputed if they are completely uncharacteristic of the patient, have not occurred anywhere else and all other evidence suggests the contrary.
In other instances, psychiatrists do not abide by robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards. The norm should be that specific examples and details are cited, of patient behavior, admissions, symptoms, etc. that can be mapped to known, established, canonical, clinical specific behaviors and symptoms. Many times, psychiatrists do not abide by these standards, and may simply indicate "Yes/No" to a certain alleged behavior, symptom and/or admission. Sometimes, psychiatrists even resort to hearsay--vague allegations of psychotic behavior, for instance, that cannot reliably be mapped to these aforementioned, specific, known, established, canonical, clinical behaviors and symptoms. The problem becomes even more serious when you consider that most non-psychiatrists--who defer to them and esteem them as infalliable, with zero accountability in place--most of these non-psychiatrists lack an understanding or any interest in robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards, and thus not only might offer vague allegations themselves, but would be swayed by the vague allegations of others, including psychiatrists, and convinced by psychiatric reports that fall short of valid, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards.

Additionally, these robust, diagnostic evidentiary standards must support the strict criteria the DSM-V sets out. In many situations, psychiatrists violate this. They diagnose people with, for instance, schizophrenia even when the criteria are not met. A diagnosis of schizophrenia requires some combination of the required criteria--psychotic symptoms like hallucinations, delusions, thought disorders, disorganized thinking and speech, gross disorganization, swarthiness/dirtiness, flat affect/amotivation, etc.--repeated, during a period of 6 months, etc. For an active diagnosis, this period of 6 months should be recent, at worse, and really, should be current. Psychiatrists may give an active diagnosis of schizophrenia based on allegations from years past, for which there is no proof that they are continuing, have reappeared, etc. whatsoever! They do this, when really, the worst they should possibly do is to say the patient is long ago fully recovered from schizophrenia. Often times, these allegations from years past themselves do not themselves even constitute, for instance, schizophrenia (for any of the reasons I talk about, but specifically, for the reason of not meeting the 6-month requirement, etc.), but at most, a temporary psychotic disorder, and yet, these bad faith psychiatrists, violating the rules of diagnostics flagrantly, insist the patient has a currently active long-term psychotic disorder! The misconduct and bad faith boggles the mind. The bad faith clearly amounts to intentional spite and character assassination.

I have also experienced cases, particularly with my longtime and current psychologist, where the provider not only lied and invented observations of psychotic behavior and symptoms, but clearly acted in bad faith in its regards, also calling into question their integrity and legitimacy. My psychologist recently, for instance, noted, for several months of meetings (but not all of them), that I committed "loose associations/flight of ideas." I know the canonical examples of these. Some good ones can be found here (but certainly there are more):
I have never ever comitted loose associations/flight of ideas. He not only failed to give any examples, but he failed to even discuss the matter with me whatsoever! Additionally, my two psychiatrists during the same period made explicit observations to the contrary, that I had no such thought disorganization or verbal disorganization. All psychiatric and psychological providers are ostensibly supposed to help their patients, actively and continually, with all suspected and active mental health problems. If his observations on my "loose associations/flight of ideas" had any legitimacy whatsoever, he should have, of course, been transparent and discussed these with me in a timely manner. He never mentioned them once. When I confronted him, too late, he said he didn't remember. The same psychologist apparently has done the same thing to me in the past, without me knowing. In earlier years, he has claimed to other providers that I had thought disorganization and delusions (which I have never ever had). Unfortunately, my efforts are still ongoing and I need to confront him about this in our next meeting coming up in under a week.

For all these problems of misdiagnosis, we can surmise what happened and dispute it all we want, but the only surefire method of accountability and discovering the truth is audio and video evidence.

If audio and video evidence were mandated, especially in the context of psychotic disorders allegations/allegations of dangerous behavior, where the stakes are so high--if such evidence was mandated, that is, the psychiatrist would have to offer to conduct such evidence, with the consent of the patient--this would effectively eliminate 99% of all misdiagnosis and most other psychiatric misconduct. It would very likely push many naughty psychiatrists out of the profession altogether, after they realize they can no longer operate with impunity, without any public scrutiny or accountability whatsoever, and so their victimizing and abusive schemes would no longer be possible. For the same reason, psychiatry is likely to push back against audio and video evidence, even though in the 1950s and 1960s, for instance, it was common for psychiatrists and patients to appear together on video, for the sake of records of diagnostics. This requirement would be strict but easily done. It would require that audio and video evidence exist to document
any and all specific allegations of specific psychotic behavior, symptoms and admissions. It would require that this audio and video evidence be clearly mappable to known, established, canonical, clinical specific symptoms and behavior. It would require that this audio and video evidence directly support the full diagnostic criteria and requirements of a psychotic disorder, according to the DSM-V. Everyone in the world possesses smart phones these days. All these smart phones are capable of high quality video and audio recording, operated with ease, without any filmmaking, audio engineering, audiophile/musician credentials required, by everyone, including millions of little kids!

The privacy law and policy can be overcome with consent of the patient, who would surely want to hold their psychiatrist accountable (but may not want to divulge their psychotic symptoms, if they do indeed have them and admit to them).
At any rate, it is in the great interest of the public welfare and holding psychiatry accountable to eschew privacy, at least of the patient. Any privacy complaints on the part of the providers (not wanting to lose their privacy) is bogus, since they really only have to be off camera asking questions that are a standard procedure of their duties. Additionally, note that psychiatrists and hospitals regularly violate patients privacy, without their consent, and freely share psychiatric reports and medical data with law enforcement, government agencies and even non government entitites, because of the privacy law exemption of "need to know" in the "fulfilment of duties" by these other entitities. Why doesn't this extend to the public? Well, it does. Of course, there is a counterpart, the Freedom of Information Act. Otherwise, there would be a terrible imbalance of power. Essentially, psychiatrists, government and other organizations would be able to share patient data at will, while not being themselves subject to any scrutiny! They would have unchecked power to commit wrongdoing, while the public would have little ability to keep them in check. The purpose of FOIA, on the federal and state level, is to shine a light on government activities, specifically in the purpose of holding government accountable from abuses of power and lawbreaking. The FOIA is an exemption to the privacy law and policy, which applies to government entities and activities. Unforunately, it does not apply to private organizations like most, but not all, psychiatrists and hospitals, which is silly since they are themselves allowed to violate privacy and have unscrutinized power. When said psychiatrists and hospitals are carrying out Emergency Detentions, Involuntary Commitments, court-mandated community orders, or their diagnoses are otherwise pursuant to and authorizing government activities, government power and government mandates, these psychiatrists and hospitals could be argued to be contractors of the government and, arguably, seemleess, indispensable, extensions of government activity and therefore subject to FOIA. The point, however, is that psychiatrists have too much unchecked power.

Audio and video evidence then becomes even more important and singular as a measure of quality control and accountability and preventing abuse of power, misconduct, lying, etc. and shifting the balance of power back to the hands of the people, the patients, the public.

Government is supposed to be by the people, for the people. If they have unchecked power and are able to abuse it and break the law with impunity, then the citizens will suffer, the authority of the government will be invalid, law and order will be threatened, chaos and suffering and destruction will become widespread and society will go into decline.

Psychiatrists are supposed to serve the people, serve their patients and the public good and welfare, uphold the law, act ethically and morally, uphold medical and professional ethics, etc. If they have too much unchecked power, then, similarly, medicine will suffer, the public trust will be violated, the public welfare will suffer, law and order will be threatened, and suffering and corruption will spread.

This is why audio/video evidence is so important. There is no other way to disprove a psychiatric and psychological treatment provider, there is no other method of holding them accountable, there is no other method of proving that the provider has committed wanton misconduct and outright lies and fabrications! Unfortunately, the public and even the law holds psychiatrists in unquestioned esteemed, regarding them as infallibe in these regards, that their "word" is always superior to that of the patient. The only way to combat this, then, is irrefutable audio/video evidence (to the contrary).

For this reason, you will see me lobbying and advocating for the mandate of offering (with the patients consent) the requirement of audio and video evidence. I will lobby and advocate for this to the entire earth, to every government, every institution, every industry, every discipline, every profession, every organization, all of the public, etc. It is the holy grail and perhaps the only option of keeping psychiatrists accountable in regards to diagnosis and all the threats that result, all the misconduct that issues from this source.

13. Abusive behavior by psychiatrists
I discussed this before, but my focus in this section is particularly in regards to people suffering from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. Our mistreatment ultimately increases our suffering and only underscores the need to free us from the unbearable hell we are unjustly, undeservedly stuck in (and which is the fault of the explicit wrongdoing of others and not ourselves), and, thus, the exploration/consideration/discussion of "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances as candidates for treatment and cures.

Many of us, including myself, who suffer from antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction witness our psychiatrists deny these side effects came from antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega, even when the circumstances (no other medication being taken, no other possible candidate or cause) confirm it, even when the known science confirms it, even when all other causes, like negative symptoms of a psychotic disorder, pre-existing psychiatric disorders and mental health issues,
and other health problems (like abnormal hormones, abnormal urology, etc.) are all ruled out!

These psychiatrists may have a conflict of interest and want to deny the cause of the side effects, because, if they prescribed the antipsychotic in question, this admission may implicate them as incompetent and guilty of criminal negligence and breach of medical ethics and lack of duty of care. Some of them may simply be incompetent or outright cruel. At any rate, it is wrong.

They will typically misattribute the depression and sexual dysfunction to other causes, like "anxiety" (even when the patient has never experienced anxiety in their lives!), or attribute them to non-existent mental health issues, and/or lifestyle, behavioral, mindset and cognitive factors, even when these issues and factors were not present/not abnormal in the patients life before or ever (as is the case with me). This is not only incompetent and incorrect, but insulting.

In many cases of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, all these other factors and explanations can be ruled out with undeniable evidence. In most of these cases, the medication-caused depression and its specific total anhedonia and specific symptoms, like loss of ability to enjoy and engage in art, loss of religious faculties, loss of coffee and psychotropic substances sensitivity, loss of social and romantic faculties, loss of all pleasure and enjoyment and motivation in and from any source and activity, loss of exercise capacity, enjoyment, motivation and benefits, loss of beauty faculties, loss of ability to cook, loss of motivation to eat healthy, inability to go to school and to work, inability to take care of oneself and basic chores, loss of housecleaning abilities and faculties, loss of ability to take care of dependents and pets, etc. never existed prior (like my case, where I never had a problem with motivation, enjoyment and benefits from these activities and thrived in them all my life),
and so cannot be related to any pre-existing mental health problem.

Additionally, in many cases, lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition is a non-factor, because not only in many cases, is it true that the patient never had problems with these but were stellar with these (as my case), but in most cases that I know of, if not all, adjustments in lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition have no beneficial effect on the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. It is a fallacy on the part of psychiatrists and outsiders who believe otherwise. In non-medication etiologies, essentially etiologies that could be surmised to directly come from lifestyle/mindset/behavior, etc. these lifestyle/mindset/behavior/cognition factors, causes/contributors and therapies could be held as valid, but not in the case of medication-induced etiologies, especially antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, where the evidence suggests they play little if any role and offer no benefit. It certainly has not for me, and believe me, if the things I used to do and thrive in, could be continually done and could offer any benefit whatsoever (the precise symptoms and nature of this condition is that healthy lifesetyle, behavioral and mental practices no longer are effective, beneficial or even work in the first place, due likely to the fundamental mechanism of the offending antipsychotic) I would have noticed, desperate as I am to get out of the hell I am in.

Thus, psychiatrists' continual, incompetent or outright deliberate insistence that these problems are not from the antispychotic (which they are) but are due to deficits in lifestyle/cognition/mindset/behavior is highly insulting and essentially is character degradation and belittlement.

This reaches its xenith when psychiatrists, as I can testify to and others here can testify to, as well, deny that our medication-caused sexual dysfunction was, in fact, medication cause, or that it is severe as it is, or that it is as important as it is. One of my psychiatrists (and similar things have happened to others in my situation)--who of course had no expertise in sexual dysfunction whatsoever, never admitted such, never offered any drug or therapy, never suggested I see any other expert, doctor, urologist, sexual medicine specialist, or even psychiatrist with sexual dysfunction specialty authorized to prescribe sexual dysfunction drugs--and who, of course, denied the antipsychotic cause of it--belittled me and downplayed the importance of proper sexual functioning and the distress and pain with sexual dysfunction.

He told me, callously, tone-deaf (especially since his criminal negligence helped cause it in the first place) that I should find another source of pleasure (as if anyone should be denied their right to proper sexual functioning!), which itself was absurd, callous and tone deaf, because I was seeing him precisely because I was suffering from a complete void of any pleasure, any joy whatsoever.

Furthermore, many psychiatrists, including all my psychiatrists, deliberately interfere with our seeking treatment for these side effects of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction. In spite of clear evidence for an active diagnosis of sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction and hyposexual desire disorder, not one of my psychiatrists at any time put any diagnosis whatsoever into the record, of such. This has gone on for almost 15 months! What a farce! I am continually pressuring me current psychiatrist to do so, but he continues to play games and refuses to put it into the records, in spite of verbally agreeing to do so. In time, I will complain to my state's licensing commission about his behavior and even seek litigation, news media coverage, NGO/watchdog help, etc. Unfortunately, these struggles with psychiatrists' deliberate detrimental and bad faith behavior, with psychiatrists not following through on reasonable promises, etc. are all too common.


14. Disclaimer, I am not antipsychiatry

I am not anti-psychiatry, I love psychiatry! Psychiatry fascinates me; effective, safe psychiatric care, treatment and medication is my passion! I love the Hippocratic oath, and medical efforts to gather and share data and findings and discover cures and treatments! I love unshakable ethics and honesty in psychiatry and medicine! I love due diligence!

That's why it's so important that errors and mistakes, misconduct, dishonesty, misdiagnosis and unsafe medication be identified, punished, resolved, prevented and removed from the profession! from psychiatry and medicine!

That's why laziness and negligence in gathering and sharing data, and laziness and negligence in finding and researching cures and treatments upsets me and should also be addressed, identified, discouraged and remedied

That's why any psychiatric lawbreaking in the legal context must also be identified, punished, resolved, prevented, remedied and removed! I love psychiatry, medicine and law and am very passionate about promoting and enhancing the good it does, while identifying, preventing and remedying errors, mistakes, wrongdoing, misconduct and bad, mistaken practices that are, that have, and that can occur in psychiatry, medicine and the legal profession!

I really care about psychiatry and I especially care about patients and that they receive the best health care possible and that are kept safe from harm, from errors and mistakes, from misconduct, from law-breaking!

Discussing and remedying these problems is in everybody's interest, and especially psychiatry's interests. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding, honest, caring, empathetic, humanistic, responsible, hard-working, full of high quality individuals who are mentally sound, kind, responsible, knowledgeable, widely experienced. Psychiatry is supposed to abide by rigorous, robust evidentiary diagnostic standards, based on known, established canonical and clinical specific examples of symptoms and behavior. Psychiatry is supposed to have effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be constantly searching for effective and safe treatments. Psychiatry is supposed to be, as medicine does, constantly reporting incidences of side effects and sharing information with the wider medical community in order to better undestand, better prevent, better treat and solve problems, side effects and diseases. Psychiatry is supposed to be upstanding and not subject to corruption or bias, nor enabling or participating in wrongdoing in their own profession or in conjunction with any other institution, profession, industry or discipline. Psychiatry is not supposed to allow itself to be exploited, at all, as a tool of political oppression. Psychiatry should not allow any of its psychiatric drugs, including antipsychotics, to be used as weapons. Psychiatrists are supposed to hold each other accountable. It is healthy for all professions, institutions, disciplines and industries to feature self and cross-criticism. Psychiatry is supposed to have accountability mechanisms, from within and without, for all of its activities, especially accurate diagnosis (precluding the possibility of lying, etc.), safe medication, and its power in the court context.
Psychiatry is supposed to have public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, to create a favorable balance of power, since they are in positions of great power and great fiduciary and public trust and privilege.

Without such public scrutiny and accountability mechanisms, if there is an imbalance of power and no scrutiny, such great power and great fiduciary privilege will invite and encourage the worst kinds of people to take up residence. Who? People who like to hurt and victimize others, people who relish and abuse power, people with harmful personality disorders and even sociopathic, psychotic tendencies--these same people love to look for situations in which there is little public scrutiny or accountability, situations where there is an unchecked imbalance of power, situations in which there is great privilege and great power and great potential ability to harm. We know this from evidence from elsewhere in society and history: Abusers of the elderly, abusers of children, abusers of women, those who commit rape, those who commit theft, both white collar and blue collar, ponzi schemes, false accusations, false accustations of sexual assault, political oppression and torture, war, genocide and torture, extrajudicial murder, the examples go on and on.

Yet there continues to be little public scrutiny of psychiatry. There continues to be effectively little accountability mechanisms for psychiatry and some of its chief problems that I cite (like misdiagnosis, where I offer the audio/video evidence requirement solution) (and the legal process and its unbridled power there, which I offer some suggestions for solutions). There continues to be unintentional or deliberate lack of public awareness and societal action. And there continues to be almost zero criticism (correct me if I'm wrong and please share examples) of psychiatry and psychiatrists by psychiatrists themselves (to an extent that I have never seen in any other profession, institution, discipline, industry in all of known history!) as well as very little criticism of psychiatry by other institutions, disciplines, industries and professions, many of whom collaborate with psychiatry, too many of whom enable, endorse and participate in its errors, problems and misconduct, and most of whom should fundamentally, actually be holding psychiatry accountable.

I am advocating for these issues so intensely because not only are they such titanic issues of public welfare and societal importance, but precisely because there is, unbelievably, so little attention and action given to them. It is unprecedented in history. Never before in history has there ever been such intense and extensive systemic problems that have been so, largely, ignored by the rest of society!


15. Abilify--somehwat undocumented severe side effects, supporting probable cause to believe in the understated and unknown dangers of antipsychotics generally

I have discussed elsewhere on these threads how I took abilify and what severe side effects it caused me.

I took abilify twice in my life (for an extended period, 7-9 months each) and on both occasions, it resulted in severe, incurable, irreversible weight gain. Before I first took abilify, I was a skinny athlete and distance runner all my life. I have never gained any significant amount of weight (other than growing, which stopped when I was a sophomore in high school, and other than building muscle) in my life, except the two occasions I took abilify! Also, on both occasions, abilify caused me terrible central breathing problems (failure of the subcortex's function in autonomic breathing, caused by abilify), both waking and sleeping. Both times, it lasted one month and went away on its own, thankfully. It was terrifyingly painful and distressing, like being waterboarded or drowning. There is no known cure for any central breathing problem, and no established treatment. Inhalers did not help.

These two instances were ten years apart! I never had these problems anytime else in my life and abilify was the only medication I was taking when these problems developed!
Additionally, to support my claim that the weight gain was not only severe but incurable and irreversible, in the 10 intermittent years, in spite of having been off abilify for 10 years (and so it should have, like most side effects, been easily reversible, within 0-4 days, or within 1 month at least), I was never able to lose most of the weight. This is in spite of 10 years of religious daily exercise (distance running, sprinting, swimming, weights, yoga, sports) and religious daily healthy eating: I was a very accomplished and active cook; my diet was varied, including occasional meats, Vitamin B-12, EPA and DHA omega-3 fatty acids sources, from certain fish, like herring, for instance, and clams, mollusks, etc., including various foods like eggs and nuts, etc.; including many plant based foods; I often practiced extended bouts of vegetarianism, of veganism, and even raw veganism; I visited the Optimum Health Institute in San Diego, a raw vegan and lifestyle institute, three times. These rigorous practices would have been sufficient for most normal people to lose a lot of weight.


Conclusion; appeal to restore certain deleted and possibly deleted comments
I hope you may consider my reasons and allow discussion of sexual side effects and "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances on these threads, especially in the medical context of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction and finding cures and treatments for it (none of which are known to exist). I hope you may consider undeleting/restoring any comments you may have deleted which could fall under these exemptions and justifications.

I, for instance, discussed weed/psychoactive cannabis, as causing psychosis (and/or harm/addiction/dependence) in some people, while causing no psychosis (nor harm/addiction/dependence) in others but offering extensive benefit. While I did not frame it in a non-recreational, explicitly medical context, I implied the medical context and the context of its potential use as a treatment/cure for our condition. Of course, like I said before, it should be noted that even though it should be considered a treatment/cure for our condition, our condition, the antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, is typically so severe, that it innately seems to preclude being able to use (be affected by, enjoy, enjoy medical benefits from) "illicit drugs", psychotropic substances and particularly psychoactive cannabis in the first place! Such is the horror of antipsychotic-induced depression and sexual dysfunction, that is shuts down/inhibits/damages the neurochemical receptors involved in all pleasure, many drugs and medications, and possibly all psychoactive substances. As I argued before, this is not a "side effect" but a fundamental action of the antipsychotics, including paliperidone/Invega (based on the consensus scientific neurochemistry, that I discussed previously). Thus, many if not all of us actively suffering from this condition are unable to enjoy or be affected by coffee, alcohol, psychoactive cannabis and other "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances. If we are not able to be affected by them, this would not only limit the hope of them being used as medical therapies in our particular circumstance (of antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction) but it would at the same time largely shut down any concerns about psychosis-causing and/or addiction/harm/dependence, since for many of us, these "illicit drugs" or psychotropic substances wouldn't even affect us at all in the first place, much less affect us to the point of causing any harm.


Post-script
Here are links to the six threads on paliperidone's side effects from the bluelight.org forum with thousands of responses.

Of course, everyone on these threads are on these threads! So why am I reiterating them? Because I wanted to discuss some pertinent points about these threads:

Almost all posters describe severe, incurable and life-destroying depression and sexual dysfunction, to the exclusion of all other side effects cumulatively*--those side effects summated--by a factor of at least 100x! (according to the manufacturer drug label for paliperidone, all side effects acknowledged by the manufacturer--but not including depression and sexual dysfunction, which they omit--have a cumulative, summated incidence percentage of, in my rough calculation, 15-20% of all patients taking the medication): see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2010/021999s018lbl.pdf

https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone.701129/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v-2.749358/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v3.861790/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-sustenna-paliperidone-v4.894001/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-injections-v-5-0.912999/
https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/coming-off-invega-paliperidone-xeplion-injections-v-6-0.927257/
The bluelight.org forum threads on paliperidone, even in the age of social media and the internet, is a totally unprecedented testimony of universal side effects to a particular drug in a conspicuous drug class. Since most people suffering from psychiatric drug effects don't post on internet forums, much less find them, and since the reported incidence of these particular side effects is so universal to the multifactorial exclusion of all other side effects (which, summatted, are supposed to represent huge numbers of paliperidone users anyway), and given that 1-3 million people are on antipsychotics in the United States alone annually, the numbers of people suffering paliperidone caused depression and sexual dysfunction--which is invariably severe and incurable--in the United States alone, every year, is likely in the tens of thousands, at a minimum. Worldwide, over the 17 years paliperidone has been on the market, the numbers are unimaginable as is the human toll.
If we consider that any and all antipsychotics can and are known to cause depression and sexual dysfunction as well, the numbers of people suffering annually in the United States and worldwide from antipsychotic induced depression and sexual dysfunction is simply unimaginable, as well! And for all the decades these antipsychotics have been on the market (and they are heavily marketed worldwide, given pharmaceutical company proven-zealousness in business, and psychiatry's enthusiasm for prescribing them) countless people worldwide would have been affected. It is of course for this reason I am constantly searching to find these people in order to bring them out of the woodwork, gather their patient data and experiences, give them a voice, give them comfort, give them counseling, give them some relief and give them justice.

*this is also to the massive exclusion of manboobs, or Gynecomastia, which was the subject of litigation for huge amounts of money! See

Here is a list of websites, of major mental health organizations, regarding antipsychotics and their side effects, that omit or otherwise downplay the risks of these side effects:
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/treatments/drugs/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/common-adverse-effects-of-antipsychotic-agents-in-the-elderly
https://www.merckmanuals.com/profes...nia-and-related-disorders/antipsychotic-drugs
https://www.goodtherapy.org/drugs/anti-psychotics.html
https://nyulangone.org/conditions/schizophrenia/treatments/medication-for-schizophrenia
https://www.wch.sa.gov.au/professionals/clinical-resources/antipsychotic-package
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Treatments/Mental-Health-Medications/Types-of-Medication
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...ons/Types-of-Medication/Paliperidone-(Invega)
https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-I...cations/Medication-Induced-Sexual-Dysfunction
https://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/antipsychotic-medication
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/medicines-to-treat-schizophrenia
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/first-second-generation-antipsychotics
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/side-effects-of-lurasidone
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-146718/paliperidone-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-20575/geodon-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8661/haloperidol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1444/chlorpromazine-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1699/zyprexa-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5419/haldol-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-9846/risperdal-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4718/seroquel-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-64437-4274/aripiprazole-oral/aripiprazole-oral/details
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5557/loxapine-oral/details
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/antipsychotic-medications
https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-...th-mental-illness/medications/antipsychotics/
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/mental-health-medications

As well as the https://www.youngminds.org.uk/ pages on aripiprazole, chlorpromazine, clozapine, olanzapine, quetiapine and risperidone.

I have contacted all of these websites about updating their inaccurate information, but only two have responded at all, saying that they will review the information for accuracy: Merck Manuals and Rethink.
Yes I read everything I agree with you.
 
You gotta consider that a lot of people in here have cognitive decline and focus issues they’d have a hard time reading a post that long I’m more recovered then a good amount of people in the thread and could only read half of that.

I get some symptoms of adhd now still do you get those as well/
 
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