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Mental Health Coming off Invega (paliperidone) injections, v 5.0

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Everybody that recovered is scared of taking psychedelics like they aren’t gonna boost your serotonin receptors and dopamine receptors through nuerogenesis
 
Troubil said:
What kind of life would you have without APs, or have you given yourself a chance to discover what life would be like without them? Given the lists of hellish side effects which most people experience I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on them being toxic. The fact that you lead a stable life is not evident that they are not toxic, it just proves that you can handle them. The risks are there for anyone to read. They all come with black box warnings and carry a risk of death, only something harmful is capable of such damage. Most of them cause cancers, tardive diskinesia, brain damage, diabetes, neuro malignant syndrome and many other disorders. Like I said in my original statement, they suck. You have been lucky, most people are not that lucky.
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I know what life was like without APs because when I was in full blown mania and psychosis I destroyed relationships with friends and family, spiraled into homelessness and using hard drugs to self-medicate, attempted and almost completed suicide, experienced catatonia, and probably other stuff I'm not recalling at the moment. How can those things be normalized while the mere possibility of side effects is so unacceptable? And side effects are just that, a possibility and not guaranteed.

I defy you to find any prescribed medication for nearly any physical medical condition that doesn't have a laundry list of dangerous if not deadly side effects. And I'm not even saying Big Pharma is without fault. We all know by now that the reason they throw all of these lists of dangerous side effects onto almost all medication is because they are only trying to cover their ass from liability in the off chance someone happens to experience one of said side effects.

So yes, we can agree to disagree on the matter and like I said previously, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But don't come in here and pretend you are the be all end all supreme holder of knowledge on the subject because you simply are not. Neither am I, but I'm also not pretending to be.

I say this nearly every week on this forum so I'll say it again: we are all different and we all have different side effects from these medications, if any at all. Just like there is no cure all magic medication that will solve all of life's problems, there also no one who can convince me that ALL anti-psychotic medications are toxic AF.

Also like I said previously, I agree that Invega and pretty much any other long acting injectable is toxic but there are dozens of others in pill form that cannot be proven to be so for every single person that takes them.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
I know what life was like without APs because when I was in full blown mania and psychosis I destroyed relationships with friends and family, spiraled into homelessness and using hard drugs to self-medicate, attempted and almost completed suicide, experienced catatonia, and probably other stuff I'm not recalling at the moment. How can those things be normalized while the mere possibility of side effects is so unacceptable? And side effects are just that, a possibility and not guaranteed.

I defy you to find any prescribed medication for nearly any physical medical condition that doesn't have a laundry list of dangerous if not deadly side effects. And I'm not even saying Big Pharma is without fault. We all know by now that the reason they throw all of these lists of dangerous side effects onto almost all medication is because they are only trying to cover their ass from liability in the off chance someone happens to experience one of said side effects.

So yes, we can agree to disagree on the matter and like I said previously, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But don't come in here and pretend you are the be all end all supreme holder of knowledge on the subject because you simply are not. Neither am I, but I'm also not pretending to be.

I say this nearly every week on this forum so I'll say it again: we are all different and we all have different side effects from these medications, if any at all. Just like there is no cure all magic medication that will solve all of life's problems, there also no one who can convince me that ALL anti-psychotic medications are toxic AF.

Also like I said previously, I agree that Invega and pretty much any other long acting injectable is toxic but there are dozens of others in pill form that cannot be proven to be so for every single person that takes them.
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Hey, you are a grown adult, a well informed one at that. If you experiences in life are what you just described then who could blame you for taking on the risk. In your case it could be argued that the benefit outweighs the risk. You also seem to have found that it works well for you and I wish you well.
My experience is something different to yours, I got forced to take something I did not want to take, they had no alternative they offered nothing safer and I paid with my health, that's why I have nothing but contempt for these people, they forcefully destroy peoples health, alot if people's health.
I come onto this platform trying to express that frustration and to offer help on what might work to alleviate the side effects. I accept that I know nothing, but I know enough to know not to trust psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies, they cannot help or reverse the damage they help create.
 
Troubil said:
All these highly trained professionals you speak of are trained by industry funded research ie. BS. Psychaitry is nothing short of an industry of death. The outright destruction of peoples health in the name of "Medicine" is all around you. I and many others who have been damaged have zero trust in these people especially due to the fact that they are rewarded financially and showered with gifts for every poison pill they prescribe. If you want to convince me otherwise then list the ingredients in these APs and explain what their health "benefits" are.
Let's say you develop Tardive Diskinesia, which a court verified you have a 50% chance of getting just by taking APs, what can any of these highly trained "professionals" do for you? Absolutely nothing. You now have a lifelong horrible condition with no cure. Same for cancer, diabetes and all the other insert listed conditions. These "professionals" have no idea more than me or you how to fix the carnage they create. These "medicines" have been proven beyond doubt to cause brain shrinkage and damage. I just thought I'd ask for an alternative before taking something that is capable of, and has destroyed many lives.
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I'm not going to do your work for you, everything you've listed is freely available and accessible on the internet. If WHO says a certain drug is a necessity in any nation, especially, and I repeat, especially developing nations where there is extreme poverty and doctors without borders, I side with them. Period end of sentence.
 
The Axe said:
I'm not going to do your work for you, everything you've listed is freely available and accessible on the internet. If WHO says a certain drug is a necessity in any nation, especially, and I repeat, especially developing nations where there is extreme poverty and doctors without borders, I side with them. Period end of sentence.
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If you choose to believe everything that the WHO tells you then I have no words for you. If you don't think for yourself then someone else will do it for you.
 
Troubil said:
If you choose to believe everything that the WHO tells you then I have no words for you. If you don't think for yourself then someone else will do it for you.
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And if I don't believe in the UN, WHO, doctors without borders, and the millions upon millions of NGOs doing great work everywhere, what do I have left? Nothing. Nothing at all.
 
The Axe said:
And if I don't believe in the UN, WHO, doctors without borders, and the millions upon millions of NGOs doing great work everywhere, what do I have left? Nothing. Nothing at all.
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You've got to be completely brainwashed to believe everything those people say, I don't know if you noticed, but I think the powers that be and all of their institutions don't have your best interests in mind..
 
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I think antipsychotics are great for people that need them. Not for people that don’t. If you suffer from psychosis you need antipsychotics to regulate the chemicals in your brain. They come with the worst side effects but the doctors job is to manage psychosis. You just have to find one with the least amount of side effects so you can try to return to normal. Invega Sustenna has a lot of side effects. It ruined the way I look, talk, workout, run, everything.
 
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HelpMeInvega said:
I think antipsychotics are great for people that need them. Not for people that don’t. If you suffer from psychosis you need antipsychotics to regulate the chemicals in your brain. They come with the worst side effects but the doctors job is to manage psychosis. You just have to find one with the least amount of side effects so you can try to return to normal. Invega Sustenna has a lot of side effects. It ruined the way I look and talk.
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I think it depends on the kind of psychosis if they even really help at all. They antagonize and block the dopamine receptors, with the theory being that too much dopamine causes psychosis, that would mean it would be a 'happy' psychosis then wouldn't it?..Why is that even that bad then..I think it was former psychiatrist Dr. Peter Breggin who said that anybody who still promotes the dopamine theory of schizophrenia is either very stupid or sociopathic..
 
Troubil said:
Hey, you are a grown adult, a well informed one at that. If you experiences in life are what you just described then who could blame you for taking on the risk. In your case it could be argued that the benefit outweighs the risk. You also seem to have found that it works well for you and I wish you well.
My experience is something different to yours, I got forced to take something I did not want to take, they had no alternative they offered nothing safer and I paid with my health, that's why I have nothing but contempt for these people, they forcefully destroy peoples health, alot if people's health.
I come onto this platform trying to express that frustration and to offer help on what might work to alleviate the side effects. I accept that I know nothing, but I know enough to know not to trust psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies, they cannot help or reverse the damage they help create.
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No worries, man. I realize I may have been a little harsh. I'm just wary of speaking in absolutes when experiences with psychotropic medications are so subjective. That is all :)
 
Dre87 said:
I think it depends on the kind of psychosis if they even really help at all. They antagonize and block the dopamine receptors, with the theory being that too much dopamine causes psychosis, that would mean it would be a 'happy' psychosis then wouldn't it?..Why is that even that bad then..I think it was former psychiatrist Dr. Peter Breggin who said that anybody who still promotes the dopamine theory of schizophrenia is either very stupid or sociopathic..
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Have you heard of Dr Joanna Moncrieff? She is a psychiatrist in the UK who profoundly advocates against the use of anti-psychotics for anything other than short term relief. She also disagrees with the dopamine theory and chemical imbalance theory. I heard of her by reading this thread.
 
So I'm definitely feeling emotions again just not as intense as they used to be but definitely feeling them. Yesterday I cried a few times & while I was eating my dinner kept having to grab a tissue & wipes away the tears streaming down my face. I think I am starting to feel tiredness a bit also. It's so frustrating because a week & a half ago I was feeling happy again, feeling emotions, feeling happiness listening to music then only a couple of days later I had some weird, stressful, unlucky shit happen that has turned all of that upside down & made me feel stressed mentally to the point I was scared it was going to cause me to have a break down. It's taken away my feelings of happiness & my happiness listening to music. It's left me feeling so upset & frustrated because I should be happy & enjoying that things are coming back for me. The situation is to do with my ex & other stuff & it's too much of a crazy situation to explain which is annoying because I can't even talk to anyone about it.

I'm trying to stay positive but at the moment it honestly feels like my life is over. And because of what's happened to me & how hideous I feel now about myself it's hard to see me ever looking like myself again or getting my life back on track even though only a couple of days before I was feeling positive it could happen eventually.

I got my period this morning so I know that would be exacerbating my negative feelings but they're still legitimate feelings for legitimate reasons unfortunately even though I wish it was all in my mind. So my period is becoming close to regular again because it took almost 3 months for me to get my second period but this time I've gotten it 5 & half weeks later. I've gotten some cramps this time which I used to get before invega I didn't miss them but I'm just greatful that my period is becoming regular again.

I've been feeling more feelings of tiredness partly because I'm now depressed but I think also because of my period. For the last week I've wanted to go to bed early although I haven't been able to fall asleep straight away & I was wondering if I was getting my period because I was getting the same kind of tired feelings I would usually get right before my period.

I'm still doing intermittent fasting but the last 4 days or more my weight has stayed the same I keep weighing in at 74.9 then when I weight myself a second time I weigh in at 73. My weight is usually a higher weight then a lower weight for some reason so I always have to weigh myself twice. Today I was 75.1 then 73.4. I'm starting to lose hope although I'm trying to stay positive because I know a healthy amount of weight to lose a week is 0.5kg to 1kg. I started 2 & half weeks ago. I'm not exactly doing it properly either because you're only meant to have black coffee but I have a coffee with no sugar & coconut milk then a smoothie with banana, 2 spoonfuls of greek yoghurt, honey & lactose free milk then have another coffee at lunch time with coconut milk.
I might try doing it properly with just black coffee & no smoothie. I also used exercise bike Friday I burned 350 calories then 200 calories yesterday I thought that would've helped my weight go down a little but hopefully if I keep it up it will help. Yesterday I exercised in the morning & had hardly any energy to keep going but on Friday I exercised after eating & found it easier so will have to exercise after eating but it's hard sometimes because my family need to use the room for the computer.

I'm getting liposuction in October I've paid for the consult for 5th September. I'm getting my chin & love handles done I'm hoping that will atleast help me look a bit better again.

My hair has improved a little but still not as good as it used to be before invega & doesn't hold style as well
 
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Alright room, it's been 125 days (4 months) since my last injection. According to this old EMA document and if I'm reading this correctly ( https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/xeplion-epar-product-information_en.pdf ) the substance should stop releasing itself starting at around tomorrow.

I'll take this opportunity to begin a serious training regime which involves 30 minutes of jogging 3 times a week and weight lifting everyday

I'm also ditching my therapist because he's fucking worthless and every time I went for his help he would only make me feel worse. I'll use the 60€/hour he used to take to just get a gym subscription instead (infinitely more valuable)

As for my progress, it is going as follows:

-Anhedonia is really biting my ass more than last month. I'm starting to get used to it so it's not as hellish as month 1 but damn I do feel it everytime I think of doing any activity at all (though sometimes I do end up doing things just for the sake of passing time, which works for now even if it's not the best thing)

-No real progress on the emotions side either. If anything I feel like my ability to feel things and enjoy them has gotten worse since 30 days ago but oh well. Doesn't help that all of my friends are on vacation or some shit so I've been kind of lonely lately (I used to be perfectly comfortable being alone before Xeplion)

-TV shows and books are getting more digestible at least: some subtleties still fly over my head but I don't get literal fatigue from just watching a movie anymore. All I'm missing right now is the ability to fully consume and understand whatever I'm trying to watch/read but it's better than last month

-On the positive side I can walk 1 hour/day like a champ now. Haven't missed one day and as I said earlier I'm going to do regular jogs starting tomorrow and the only thing that worries me is that I'll run through my track faster which means I would spend less time outside (until I get that gym subscription at least)

-Constipation is being less and less of a problem

-Ma diq is starting to work again: it's like 30/40% of how it used to be which means ED is starting to go away but if I still can't feel any pleasure or proper emotions what's even the point

-Reduced the amount of valerian I take before sleeping and started taking NALT everyday since last week

-I've been actually sleeping good lately, probably a bit too much but it beats having insomnia

-Would also like to point out that it took me like 15 minutes to type all this which I believe is an improvement since last month. I've been trying to train my memory/cognitive capacities and I feel those are also slowly coming back (I'd say around 10/20% of what it used to be). I can actually start thinking about the decisions I make and also do some math on the fly. I'm starting to think the purpose of this drug is to make people as dumb as the average low-class working lout and it's being extremely effective at that
 
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EsseWasGreat said:
Alright room, it's been 125 days (4 months) since my last injection. According to this old EMA document and if I'm reading this correctly ( https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/xeplion-epar-product-information_en.pdf ) the substance should stop releasing itself starting at around tomorrow.

I'll take this opportunity to begin a serious training regime which involves 30 minutes of jogging 3 times a week and weight lifting everyday

I'm also ditching my therapist because he's fucking worthless and every time I went for his help he would only make me feel worse. I'll use the 60€/hour he used to take to just get a gym subscription instead (infinitely more valuable)

As for my progress, it is going as follows:

-Anhedonia is really biting my ass more than last month. I'm starting to get used to it so it's not as hellish as month 1 but damn I do feel it everytime I think of doing any activity at all (though sometimes I do end up doing things just for the sake of passing time, which works for now even if it's not the best thing)

-No real progress on the emotions side either. If anything I feel like my ability to feel things and enjoy them has gotten worse since 30 days ago but oh well. Doesn't help that all of my friends are on vacation or some shit so I've been kind of lonely lately (I used to be perfectly comfortable being alone before Xeplion)

-TV shows and books are getting more digestible at least: some subtleties still fly over my head but I don't get literal fatigue from just watching a movie anymore. All I'm missing right now is the ability to fully consume and understand whatever I'm trying to watch/read but it's better than last month

-On the positive side I can walk 1 hour/day like a champ now. Haven't missed one day and as I said earlier I'm going to do regular jogs starting tomorrow and the only thing that worries me is that I'll run through my track faster which means I would spend less time outside (until I get that gym subscription at least)

-Constipation is being less and less of a problem

-Ma diq is starting to work again: it's like 30/40% of how it used to be which means ED is starting to go away but if I still can't feel any pleasure or proper emotions what's even the point

-Reduced the amount of valerian I take before sleeping and started taking NALT everyday since last week

-Would also like to point out that it took me like 15 minutes to type all this which I believe is an improvement since last month. I've been trying to train my memory/cognitive capacities and I feel those are also slowly coming back (I'd say around 10/20% of what it used to be). I can actually start thinking about the decisions I make and also do some math on the fly. I'm starting to think the purpose of this drug is to make people as dumb as the average low-class working lout and it's being extremely effective at that
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Does weed work for you?
 
OLDTIDEN said:
Okay. I hope weed starts working again
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It gets better as times go by it’ll never be fully until your anhedonia is away but youlll get a slight buzz before then that’ll be enough to wait for the full thing I couldn’t feel nothing for 4 months but got a slight buzz and I’m 7 months now and it’s improving slowly but by a year and a half I’ll feel it fully
 
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