Bupe Coming off Bupe with poppyseed tea

[jesshatessubs46]

I’ve been taking one tablet 8 mg of Suboxone for over 10 months now. I thought for the longest time this is just what sobriety feels like.. however I am constantly miserable. I have severe headache, headaches with nausea and vomiting.. I have zero sexual desire with my partner who I had a very healthy sex life with.. I feel nothing in my vagina sexually. It is completely numb. I feel completely numb.. I’m highly depressed. I have no motivation. I procrastinate on everything.. I’ve gained 50+ pounds.. I lost my spiritual energy. I I don’t even listen or feel music anymore..
my husband and I have decided to do poppyseed tea. We are wondering when we could start drinking this to avoid the withdrawal from the Suboxone.. we’re not necessarily trying to be high. We are just trying to do a natural resource instead of Suboxone.. The question is when can we start taking the opiate after been on Suboxone this long and it’ll be OK?

 

[negrogesic]

So are you talking about getting off of suboxone by temporarily switching to poppy seed tea?

Or are you talking about replacing your daily suboxone with poppy seed tea?

Poppy seed tea, as innocuous as it might sound, is a more heavy duty substance than suboxone. Dependence from poppy seed tea (which is essentially opium in liquid form) is severe, with a withdrawal syndrome far more brutal than suboxone withdrawal. It is also hard to get a consistent supply of high quality seeds since the type of seed used isn't the kind you find at the grocery store, but rather unwashed poppy seeds that are usually sold for the purpose of making tea. Those seeds aren't cheap and the supply is inconsistent.

Or, would the poppy seed tea be a temporary thing? (Even so, you're playing with fire.)

But I get it. I've played around with suboxone and am not a fan, definitely not something I'd want to be on daily. Have you tried tapering? You'd better off using something like kratom or maybe tramadol to use temporarily rather than a harder drug (opium). It could work but it's rather risky given how brutal opium addiction is.

 

[Survival0200]

It is also hard to get a consistent supply of high quality seeds since the type of seed used isn't the kind you find at the grocery store, but rather unwashed poppy seeds that are usually sold for the purpose of making tea. Those seeds aren't cheap and the supply is inconsistent.

Yeah, I've tried like 10 different brands and none of them worked.

 

[negrogesic]

Yeah, I've tried like 10 different brands and none of them worked.

You mean store brands of poppy seeds? Generally speaking none of those will work. The only way you might find viable seeds in a store is at some health food place that sells seeds not in bags, but in bins (where you scoop it into a bag and it's sold by the pound). Even then you'll probably need a bunch. In theory, some store bought ones might work if you used a massive amount, but it isn't viable.

But yeah, in anycase, hopefully the OP knows that most poppy seeds won't work for making tea. But there bigger question is whether opium could be used to get off of suboxone. The answer is, maybe it could bridge the gap, but i think the idea might not play out well in practice as opium is a "harder" drug than bupe, and could result in a nasty poppy seed tea habit (which can get incredibly expensive since unwashed poppy seeds are less common these days). Around a decade ago, you could actually buy good quality seeds on Amazon for not much more than $10 a pound. Then some kid died and the company started washing their seeds, along with others. So it all dried up, and now a pound of good seeds are far more expensive and hard to find.

This is what's behind it: https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2019/dec/13/rogers-parents-push-leads-to-warning-on/

Its called the "Stephen Hacala Poppy Seed Safety Act". I've read the details of the case and the guys parents knew he was making tea for his "depression" and thought it was safe. He apparently OD'd so his parents have had a hard-on about poppy seeds ever since. OD's are pretty rare, yet thousands use poppy seeds as pain relief because doctors are too scared to write narcotic prescriptions. Deaths are unfortunate but I believe that poppy seeds should remain unregulated. When is Elon Musk and DOGE going to defund the DEA....

 

[jesshatessubs46]

We have a consistent and good supply for the poppyseed tea. The idea would be to get off the Suboxone and only use the tea necessary to dwindle down to be substance free for a while.

 

[SotPoker1012]

We have a consistent and good supply for the poppyseed tea. The idea would be to get off the Suboxone and only use the tea necessary to dwindle down to be substance free for a while.

If this is your plan, I suggest you taper as far as you can with the suboxone and then merely use the poppyseed tea in small amounts to deal with lingering issues.

As others have said, in spite of sounding "safe" because its the natural(ish) form of product, it is still on the potent side and probably causes worse WDs than suboxone.

 

[Survival0200]

You mean store brands of poppy seeds?

Yeah, store brands. Grocery stores and Asian stores. Even the ones sold in bulk quantities didn't work (200-400 grams).

 

[Bl42]

We have a consistent and good supply for the poppyseed tea. The idea would be to get off the Suboxone and only use the tea necessary to dwindle down to be substance free for a while.

Do you know how I could find a reliable vendor? I have cluster headaches and the pain seriously makes me consider ending it. Kratom barely helps. And no otc even comes close to touching the pain. Why is it so hard to find a good reliable source?

 

[Bl42]

We have a consistent and good supply for the poppyseed tea. The idea would be to get off the Suboxone and only use the tea necessary to dwindle down to be substance free for a while.

It’s near impossible to find a place that sells reliable unwashed poppy seeds. I’ve bought from so many online vendors. Probably wasted thousands of dollars over the last 2 years. NOTHING works.

 

[Halif2]

Dependence from poppy seed tea (which is essentially opium in liquid form) is severe, with a withdrawal syndrome far more brutal than suboxone withdrawal. It is also hard to get a consistent supply of high quality seeds since the type of seed used isn't the kind you find at the grocery store, but rather unwashed poppy seeds that are usually sold for the purpose of making tea. Those seeds aren't cheap and the supply is inconsistent.

As usual, Negrogesic is out here with the truth.

PST addiction and dependence will rule your life as much or more than bupe, and you may end up being unpleasantly surprised by how bad the withdrawals can be.

Unfortunately, long term opiate/opioid dependence tends to leave one numb, unmotivated, depressed, lethargic, and all that bad stuff. You will probably not like or appreciate this answer, but to get yourself back you would be better off tapering the bupe and then jumping off. This would be easier to do on bupe for a few reasons, not the least of which is that you can easily taper systemically because you know what the dose is. PST potency can and does vary to an extreme degree - it's very hard to get a consistent supply of the same strength.

Whatever you do I hope it works out and you're in a better place soon.

 

[Delam]

A smoother way to taper could be to get on the Sublocade (Buvidal in the UK ) monthly depot injections for a while then jump off from there. I've had a couple of patients now who simply stopped showing up for their injections and let the drug taper out of their system gradually without really feeling any withdrawals at all. As you are on a lower dose of bupe this is in your favour also.

 

[mrsumone]

A smoother way to taper could be to get on the Sublocade (Buvidal in the UK ) monthly depot injections for a while then jump off from there. I've had a couple of patients now who simply stopped showing up for their injections and let the drug taper out of their system gradually without really feeling any withdrawals at all. As you are on a lower dose of bupe this is in your favour also.

Yeah I've had a few guys tell me they wish they knew this method sooner as it worked wonderful for them. One even just took a single shot after switching from stripes to the shot. Got the one shot and walked away scot free

 

[Chickens]

This thread brings back memories. I was a HEAVY poppy seed tea user back in ~2010. Then, good pods had become almost impossible to find (like the seeds now). I won't mention the company, but I could buy the .5lb bags for less than $4, at the local grocery store, shit was wild. One of the stores had a "glitch" where if you bought them by the case (IIRC, 8 bags) the barcode was the same as the one on the individual bags, and an unsuspecting cashier would ring them up as under $4 a CASE. I stopped an IV dope habit dead with that stuff, it was SO strong, and cheap.

For real though, be careful. It's replacing your bupe with morphine. Of course it will "work", but there will be a cost at some point down the line. OD is possible, it can be illegal (depends), and your source can dry up with 0 notice (unlike a sub doctor or pharmacy). Also, your tolerance will rise, and you may find yourself falling back into addictive thought patterns (if you have that unfortunate issue, as many of us do), and increasing dose substantially.

I'll never tell anybody not to try drugs if they want to, but please be very careful with PST, it's not as benign as it seems.

 

[Deleted member 81238]

A ponnd of purple poppy seeds for you.

 

[Opana313]

It’s near impossible to find a place that sells reliable unwashed poppy seeds. I’ve bought from so many online vendors. Probably wasted thousands of dollars over the last 2 years. NOTHING works.

@jesshatessubs46
2nd that & a 3rd...a place reliable via online legally in US for me up and dissappear and I was just browsin(seed tea was younger me) and yeah it's not best idea as next morning you're going to cave for something. Period. At least in my experience.. but I do recommend long taper along with our very own chief keif's: @Keif' Richards https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/a-complete-idiots-guide-to-volumetric-dosing.944282/

 

[Opana313]

Possibly do this taper then dabble with your tea if necessary..and find a rhythm that suits you, unless you really want out.