Comedown Delirium?

[sadaddaspie]

edit: I reconsidered how much information I really feel like sharing with the internet and removed the detailed account of my experience. I'll summarize it, spare the details, and ask what I was going to ask. Basically re-writing the whole post, for your sake and mine.

I've always felt strange after doing E, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, sometimes it's not necessarily good or bad. I recently rolled on what I (perhaps naively) believed to be molly for the first time since January. Good roll but the worst jaw clenching & nystagmus I've ever had. Was coming down and feeling restless but tired and kind of crappy many hours later and took 200mg of 5-htp for good measure and 2mg of ativan hoping it would help me relax. I tried to get to sleep and had a very vivid and nonsensical experience, thinking I was somewhere I wasn't, thinking I was talking to people over ventrilo (while I was away from my computer) freaking out about some stuff that wasn't happening, trying to explain it to them, realizing in the middle of it all that nothing I thought was happening was really happening, telling them everything was OK, then realizing that I wasn't even on my computer or talking to them at all. I may have fallen asleep and had a really messed up dream but my transition back to reality was very gradual and I was definitely alert and conscious thinking I was having a conversation when I finally realized none of it was happening and that I was in fact on my living room couch in the dark by myself and hadn't been in contact with anyone or gone anywhere. I was also sitting up straight when I realized this. Some of the "conversations" I was having in this delirium/delusion/whatever were kind of funny in retrospect and reminded me of Josh's tangent about the bicycle with the basket in the west in the movie Rolling (the scene where him and summer are in bed) in the sense that my imaginary conversational counterparts were totally clueless as to what the fuck I was talking about (and rightfully so, if these conversations actually took place) but the difference is that it wasn't just random talk I really thought some crazy shit was going down.

Although the only realistic part of the experience was the reactions of those I talked to (thinking I was making no sense, being confused only by me and overall acting quite normally/realistic) I contacted them the next day and they didn't remember any such crazy conversations or me freaking out about the stuff I did, so apparently none of the communication even took place, despite the fact that it was the one part of the whole experience that could have actually been real.

So, for the first time in my life, I totally lost grip of reality and ended up communicating with the imaginary presence of others (real people, but who were actually not in contact with me at the time) which kind of freaked me out... Schizophrenia? Has anyone else felt delusional while/after coming down from a roll? Maybe the Ativan had something to do with it? It was over 4 hours after taking the E and I had come down hard and was trying to get to sleep when it started, I had a great roll before the fact.

 

[sadaddaspie]

bump because I re-wrote the whole thing, left out the elaborate story of my experience and my history of ecstasy use and got straight to the point.

 

[Bearlove]

Sounds like your trying to sleep before your actually down. This can really play tricks with your mind as your not sure if your dreaming etc.

The other thing that you have to remember is mixing uppers and downers can again add to the delirium etc. MDMA doesn't really have that bad a come down and dropping a few Ativan's should have knocked you straight out the day afterwards so maybe your MDMA was cut with something (or something else completely).

There are so many things that could have caused your problem - lack of sleep - combination of drugs - cut MDMA - experience of the high/setting you were in etc

 

[sadaddaspie]

Well I felt like I was DOWN down, for quite a while, and I was tired as hell but couldn't sleep (as I sometimes am after rolling) and it was one of those icky feeling comedowns. Maybe I'm naive for thinking it was molly because it's not like I tested it or know if anyone has, but my circle of friends thinks this guy is selling us molly and he charges the molly rates and it's in powder form + I get nystagmus & clenching really bad with it.

I've heard bad things about mixing uppers with downers but I've also seen on bluelight & erowid a lot of people use benzos to ease the come down and feel relaxed when they're coming down off mdma or amps so I thought I'd give it a try, and it's my first time using it after doing E and nothing crazy happened until after taking the ativan so I can easily see you being right about it being the combination. That being said, I've never personally used this guys "molly" (or whatever he's passing off as molly) until now as I hadn't rolled in quite some time and my old contact isn't around any more, so despite knowing some of his happy customers, this was also my first time on his product... so that's two firsts, to go with my first experience of this kind.

 

[sadaddaspie]

The other thing that you have to remember is mixing uppers and downers can again add to the delirium etc.

adding to the delirium? I meant to ask, is delirium something that's commonly reported by people coming down from MDMA at all?

 

[sadaddaspie]

oh yeah I should probably add that I was trying to get to sleep in my bed, in my bed room - and my vivid experience of crazy shit that never happened (including being out driving, seeing someone I thought I knew collapse in the street, calling 911 for an ambulance, and not remembering where I was coming from when I was on my way home when this happened) ended with me coming out of it sitting up, on the couch, in my living room, not my bed.

During this experience and has I transitioned out of it, I thought I was positive I had been out of my house but later realized there was no evidence of my having ever left. My keys were in the pocket of the pants I changed out of after getting home long before any of this happened, there was no 911 call in my cells history, and I know I can't talk to people over voip software from places other than my computer, like my car or my living room, and these are among places I was "conversing" with people online.

 

[Bloby]

Hahaha this is pretty common ime, it can be very confusing + embarrassing if you're around people. I call them "zone outs", generally happens to me near the end of the night when I'm not doing anything to occupy myself, if I'm sitting on the sofa my mind wanders and I'll zone out an kind of start dreaming whist awake. It can be very strange because you're not sure if the thing that just happened in you're head really happened but you get used to it. But like I said, it can be embarrassing around people because you might suddenly blurt out a sentence when you come back to reality that makes apsolutly no sense to anyone and when you try to explain when you just said it makes even less sense
Just laugh it off/enjoy it.

I don't go near weed whist on mandy any more for this reason, just a few tokes will send me into some crazy world of confusion. But I don't like weed sober any more anyway

 

[infinitejester]

Don't worry, you're not alone. I had a similar, if much less intense, experience last time I rolled. I had been up for nearly 24 hours after going dancing in Brooklyn. I was mostly down, and I had a few hits of very strong pot. As I was trying to go to sleep, it was like I was having a conversation in my head with....my id? Whatever it was, it kept putting sentences in my (imagined) mouth before I could even think. Completely nonsensical madness that probably didn't even make grammatical sense and may not have even been verbal. It wasn't as vivid as you described, but I certainly think I qualified as delirious.

The Molly I took that night was nice and clean. It may have a lot to do with being exhausted after rolling. I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[Number Love]

The Molly I took that night was nice and clean. It may have a lot to do with being exhausted after rolling. I wouldn't worry too much.

Yep MDMA shouldn't cause delirium. A lot of factors may be coming to play.

I do understand where your coming from though, I have come to believe that it is the brain just panicking and getting scrambled about feeling so much less good.

 

[sadaddaspie]

well thank you for the replies... I wasn't that worried, although it was extremely alarming at the time, it was a huge relief to find out that none of the conversations experienced really occurred and of course that the medical emergency I made a 911 call over didn't happen either and that that person was OK - I was really mostly just curious if anyone else had ever had a similar experience or knew anything about how/why that could have happened. Feeling quite with it 24 hours later, I wasn't that worried about any kind of lasting delirium but next time I roll I won't be doing anything else (ativan, weed) during/after just to be on the safe side.

The funniest thing to me looking back is that all the people I "talked to" during this experience responded to me exactly as I would expect them to now if I were to say what I thought I was saying then and aside from being entirely fictional representations of actual people in my experience of total delusion, they were totally realistic and normal and seemed to in touch with (plausible) reality when I was not - little did I know, they were actually part of the fabricated nonsensical delirium I was in. I couldn't help but find it really funny when it hit me that the figments of my imagination seemed sane and thought I was acting crazy while I was imagining a dialog with them.

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

I think the main cause of such a delirium is mainly doing too much MDMA and not sleeping enough in the past 48 hours. Redosing late on MDMA can cause paranoia, but not necessarily delirium. I've had something similar to what you described on occasion, but it tended be laced with much more paranoia and general disgust with humanity and everyone around me (yeah I did way too much MDMA that night).

What you mentioned in the last paragraph of your previous post is quite fascinating.

 

[kroniic]

I once had too much MDMA back around 15-16 with a few, my eyes started to rolled back, I closed them, laid back and thought I was literally in another world, talking to friends and chilling, it was all in my head, and when I came back down I opened my eyes to realised I was alone in my room. Called a mate up, and he said I laid back started talking some shit that didn't make sense, and they just took me to my room and lay me down.

 

[getbenthoe]

dudee , theres been times when ill be on the phone with my girl on our come down , like wayy hardd tryna go to sleep , and like literally both of us will be talking while trying to sleep , but like we seriously think were replying when really we're only saying it in our head. and it would happen over and over. i think this happens when you've taken a lot of MDMA and when your half asleep. i actually find it quite amusing

 

[chitown rollin]

delirium... reminds me of a classic techno tune from way back.

 

[chitown rollin]

check that- trance. Oakenfold.

 

[msFancyPants]

Fairy people, sea turtles, and killer bugs

Sounds like your trying to sleep before your actually down. This can really play tricks with your mind as your not sure if your dreaming etc.

I personally would have to agree with this. Here's my own experience to support this: Nearly every time I have taken a moderate to high dose of MDMA (pressed or powder) AFTER starting to come down, and sometimes even when I don't feel otherwise "high" at all, and only after I've laid down, I've had some very intense hallucinations. People who aren't there, giant bugs crawling on the walls, sea turtles in the sky. The ONLY time I've ever had visuals like that (excluding a bad LSD trip where I became psychotic) is when I have taken Ambien and purposefully stayed awake.

The reason that Ambien causes hallucinations is because your body is still awake (you're moving around, talking, etc.) but you actually being to dream WHILE awake, causing some really bizarre hallucinations sometimes.

Because I don't have other accompanying psychiatric symptoms (serious anxiety, throught disorganized thoughts, paranoia, etc.) other than wha with these MDMA come-down crazies, I believe that it isn't a drug-induces psychosis (not to mention after I get a couple hours of sleep and awaken, the visuals aren't present anymore.

So maybe when we're pumped all night long with all that adrenaline/ dopamine our minds become very worn out very quickly and therefore tries to fall asleep before our bodies can stop moving around! 8(

Oh, OP, I have had a number of friends report very similar symptoms, so as long as this "delirium" doesn't stay with you after you wake up following a night of rolling, you're most likely okay.