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combos with psychedelics to reduce anxiety

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csrpj

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for someone who is dealing with anxiety, or has deep-rooting issues that trigger anxiety, a psychedelic experience can be extremely therapeutic or extremely traumatic. however, if there was a drug to add to the mix - one which was safe for the brain, can be used without major tolerance after the first several times, and long-lasting enough - than one can create a psychedelic experience that's way more likely to be therapeutic.

some ideas...

- phenibut. i've tried this and it's effective, but tolerance is so high i don't consider this drug a good candidate.
- lower dosage of DXM. possible issues with brain health with long-term use, some tolerance, not super long acting but perhaps good enough in this department.
- benzos.... this seems more like an abort than an alternative. that key is - you don't want to loose the psychedelic experience, and benzos can do this.
- opiates. haven't tried combining them with psychedelics yet. pod tea lasts for a while, so that one can be a good candidate.
- kratom. tried this on a come down, was good. but kratom is too short-acting.
- alcohol. also very short acting, though one can take sips once in a while to curb anxiety. hangover can be an issue as well.

so no solutions to fig the bill perfectly, some are way better than others. any other ideas? there are of course non-drug solutions, like meditation or hypnosis or setting, but drugs can be powerful, and if there was a safe an effective way, this can be a really therapeutic experience! let's discuss.
 
Unless you use phenibut often on its own, or trip a _lot_ which is probably a bad idea if you have anxiety issues bad enough to need a calming combo IMHO, I don't see tolerance being a huge issue. It or a long-lasting benzo sounds like the best option for the GABAergics. Alcohol can get messy and tolerance/hangover/toxicity are all much bigger issues here than with most other GABAergics, at least for me. I don't agree that benzos, at least at appropriate doses, kill the psychedelic aspect of a trip, but anything that is effective at reducing anxiety runs the risk of making it more possible to avoid the 'deeper' parts of your peak as well - the two go hand in hand, and you can't go probing that deep into your unconscious if you're not willing to have the potential for anxiety.

Kratom is good for a temporary grounding/calming effect but if you feel you need something that lasts for the whole trip, it's not an ideal choice.

I wonder how phenazepam would do. It's supposed to be long lasting and produce the calming effects of other benzos with less of the euphoric/amnesiac effects, for many people at least, and it's unscheduled here in the States which is a plus. Without getting into specifics or sourcing it, it tends to be very cheap per dose since it's unscheduled and very potent (therapeutic doses in countries that use it medicinally are typically 0.5mg 2-3 times daily). Worth reading up on at least, perhaps.
 
Kava kava?

As long as its a good strain and has no stems/leaves, kava is pretty healthy. The liver problems seem to be connected to compounds in the stems/leaves, which used to be used in the cheaper extracts that were going around.
 
I use just a very small amount of a benzo....like .25mg of xanax, or .25mg of phenazepam a few hour before the trip. I like to let the benzo "settle in" and be in the background before I dose any psych's so it doesn't numb the trip.
 
I've never had anxiety from 2C-B but nonetheless I found that kratom calmed its stimulating aspects while kicking the visuals up a couple notches. It could probably be useful for other psychs in this regard. And as mentioned above, the primary effects of it won't last the duration of most trips but even after it's worn off I still feel quite relaxed.
 
I am also quite the anxious person. I haven't had it checked out professionally, because that stresses me out even more, so instead I read about drugs in attempts to find my own method... Sometimes I get a little too crazy if I have a collection in possession.

The other day I woke up and dropped acid after having done nothing for an hour. I dropped it mostly cause I was feeling anxiety about the day starting and me not being able to get anything done. The dose was fucking potent, more than I expected. I started to lose it, and was a frantic mess. I wanted to call someone, but felt as though I couldn't do that. I needed to tell someone, but i felt like i had no one who would care to listen. It was pretty stressful... I didn't want to waste anyone's time.

After 3 hours of losing my mind, I went back into the stash and grabbed some 2cb. I poured out a capsule with 20 mg inside. I was weighing it out over and over again, but was tripping to hard to really know what I was doing. I was very shaky and having a tough time with such the small amount of powder. I wanted to make sure of the weight so I didn't hurt myself. I blew 5 mg, and then 10 minutes later I blew 8 - 10 mg. I was a little nervous because snorting 2ct2 kicks the shit out of me. The 2cb came on so gentle compared to the 2ct2. I was so surprised. Immediately I was on the up-kick. I felt amazing, and was able to do a decent amount of things. A couple friends stopped by for an hour or so after blowing that stuff, and I was very sociable. It felt good to have people here. After they left I recorded some music, and that felt really good. I was tripping fucking balls though. The world got very colorful, motion trails and tracers floated about everywhere, and everything had a gloss to it. The greatest thing was that my anxiety was greatly relieved.

For me, when I get into a sticky spot with a psychedelic I introduce another psychedelic if on hand. DMT works awesome for this too. 2cb was amazing, and would love to do that again. Nitrous is good for a lot of people. The intensity brings you into a more immersed state where you can leave your anxieties behind.

Other people like benzos... not for me.
 
Phenibut. :)

My favoritest tripping companion in the whole wide world. It doesn't make one drowsy; if anything it adds energy; but it has a marked positive mood push and anxiolytic effect.

It's a very important piece in my arsenal.
 
i've used gabapentin on one of my best lsd experiences on about 6 hits. anxiety free- and very euphoric. although i must say the head-fuck was much less intense....so it may not be as introspective as normal
 
a small (50 to 70 mg) dose of mdma 1 hour before taking lsd can help you ease into the trip. Don't dose the lsd too high either, to prevent an overly intense trip.
 
dcraver877 said:
i've used gabapentin on one of my best lsd experiences on about 6 hits. anxiety free- and very euphoric. although i must say the head-fuck was much less intense....so it may not be as introspective as normal
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how long does gabapentin last for?
 
PepperSocks said:
Phenibut. :)

My favoritest tripping companion in the whole wide world. It doesn't make one drowsy; if anything it adds energy; but it has a marked positive mood push and anxiolytic effect.

It's a very important piece in my arsenal.
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nice. what dose do you use? how long do you make yourself wait from the previous phenibut dose so that tolerance isn't an issue? other ways to reverse tolerance?
 
low doses xanax/valium have worked for me... takes the edge of the trip, which can be a good or a bad thing depending on how far out you want to get, but definitely makes tripping a very comfortable activity :)
 
csrpj said:
nice. what dose do you use? how long do you make yourself wait from the previous phenibut dose so that tolerance isn't an issue? other ways to reverse tolerance?
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I only use phenibut a couple times a week. For a high dose that's fun on it's own but might cause some GABA side effects (wonky-ness); I take 1.2g

For a combo in a trip I take 0.9-1.0g and wait a couple hours before taking my psych. I don't use on a daily basis so I don't know what tolerance factor might come into play.
 
PepperSocks said:
I only use phenibut a couple times a week. For a high dose that's fun on it's own but might cause some GABA side effects (wonky-ness); I take 1.2g

For a combo in a trip I take 0.9-1.0g and wait a couple hours before taking my psych. I don't use on a daily basis so I don't know what tolerance factor might come into play.
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i see. as far as tolerance, for me it appears to be a bigger issue. taking 1g once a week will create huge tolerance after even the second week.
 
IMO if you need anything to relax you when taking a classic psychedelic like LSD and mushrooms, then that defeats the whole point of it in the first place.

There's meaning in the anxiety, there's something to learn from it.

If you experience anxiety during real LSD then it means you're not letting go, you need to stop worrying about your EGO, your goals, your life and just ACCEPT whatever thoughts you're having about things. Whatever it is. Let go and observe your drama, don't let your EGO think you have to be involved in it. Let your mind do its work on its own.

Now with RC's that have body load and not understood as well, sure have valium on hand. It's not like there's anything to lose by dosing valium over most RC's.

Compared to mushrooms, LSD or mescaline. I wouldn't completely trust the thoughts I'm having on substances such as 2c-e, DOx ect. We all know how irrational and destructive a mind can be to itself on amphetamines. Same idea with these amphetamine-type psychedelics, when your mind is in that type of ampetamine psychosis sometimes thoughts are best avoided.

With LSD or mushrooms, I am alwyas comfortable putting myself at the mercy of universal and subjective truth.
 
I agree with you about having benzos around for RCs with unfamiliar effects, but I think it's rather biased to say that 2C-X/DOX intoxication is but a form of amphetamine psychosis. I've felt way more psychotic on LSD or mushrooms than I ever have on a phenethylamine. If anything I find them far more clear-headed than the tryptamines and ergolines.
 
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