Just curious, would any of these be safe with a 2C-x or 2C-T-x? Also...
I've heard that combining mephedrone with methylone (or another analogue for that matter) is significantly harder on the kidneys and should be avoided.
Also, every redose with these drugs can be up to a third harder on the body each time and especially the -thylones tend to become more speedy each time.
This is substantiated by the words of one of dextroverses knowledgeable mods.
Combining methylone with butylone has been somewhat interesting for me since the butylone seemed to potentiate the effects, but the speedy effects were also increased by it and the comedown was definitely harder.
Your dosages are too high indeed for a first timer, do not exceed approx 200 mg if you don't like damage and avoid combining right away for your first try!
Methylone can feel quite mild on the body on many occasions but there are enough people who have come to notice bad effects over time using it. At least a load on the heart and veins you don't want and vasoconstriction also. With frequent use depression can also rear its head but the other stuff is more obvious in my experience.
Please refer to the individual threads for these compounds because they are just different ones and shouldn't be generalized more than they already are - despite their similarities. We'll make this one more specific for the combinations.
You seem to be rather in the know with regards to these three substances, so I wonder if you (or really anyone...
especially if that someone has actually tried such a combination) could answer the question I posited in the title of my post? I'm
especially curious if it would safe to take methylone with 2C-T-2 (considering that the latter is a MAOI and that, while on the mild side, that methylone
IS not just an entactogen, but is also a CNS stimulant related to both cathinone and methcathinone, being more closely related to the latter from what I have read)? Also, since after all, methylone
IS bk-MDMA, hence an analogue of MDMA, do you think that Serotonin Syndrome could be a possible side effect with combining
ANY of the 2C-T-x's (depending on dosage of course; I'd figure low dose combinations would be 'relatively' safe, but then again, I've never done this so I am not knowledgeable about any sort of outcome)? Even though many have documented taking MDMA with both 2C-T-7 and 2C-T-2 with positive results, there are reports of Serotonin Syndrome and worse, death (at least death with 2C-T-7... I've not heard of deaths associated with any mixtures or any strengths of doses with 2C-T-2: At least as of yet...) associated with this mixture; in spite of reports of a nice synergy between MDMA and 2C-T-7, especially, but also with 2C-T-2. So I
know you're playing with fire when mixing MDMA with a 2C-T-x, I just wonder if anyone's educated guess, or better, personal experience with taking bk-MDMA and 2C-T-2 together seems or is safe to do, if there's a synergy with the two, and also if it's an enjoyable experience; I am so curious because if it has been tried, and, if such engagements with these two substances have proven-or at least seemed to prove to be-safe, fun, and synergistic, I'd like to give it a whirl. On the other hand, if the opposite has been the case when this combination has been tried (
if any fellow psychonauts have tried it), then I'd like to know so as not to make a potentially damaging or fatal decision by mixing them. So, with that being said, please, does
anyone have any valuable input to share? Please do if so!!!
Now, on to the "also..." part of my comment's title; I have a few things to add. If I am not mistaken, combinations (in fact I believe 50/50) of methylone and mephedrone used to be sold in Dutch smart shops under the guise of being "air freshener". So, with regards to the countless comments in this thread on the neurotoxic results of this combination, and
especially what's been quoted here, "I've heard that combining mephedrone with methylone (or another analogue for that matter) is significantly harder on the kidneys and should be avoided.
Also, every redose with these drugs can be up to a third harder on the body each time and especially the -thylones tend to become more speedy each time," I question the validity of these claims as I've done a
LOT of reading on these substances, and have nowhere read anything that substantiates these claims--of course, taking ANY of these separately or in combination with one another at really high doses would seem to be unwise; anecdotally, I can recall that I once took four double-stack tabs of MDMA and blacked out for an unknown number of hours. I had also done a great deal of cocaine and had been smoking weed all day, not to mention having had taken my regular cocktail of prescriptions: clonazepam, morphine sulphate, hydromorphone, methylphenidate--some snorted that night (now replaced by amphetamine salts), gabapentin, aripiprozole, bupropion HCL SR (interestingly, bupropion
does make MDMA feel slightly different as claims suggest, I can testify to the claim of that combination), and carisoprodol; yeah, a lot of medications, I know (and I discontinue gabapentin, aripiprozole, and bupropion HCL SR
every time, a few weeks in advance nowadays, before any psychedelic or entactogenic experience-and I do believe it safer to NOT take the amphetamines before a 2C-T-x trip. Anyway, surprisingly I wasn't at all worried about it until after I'd come down and come back to my senses; cocaine plus amphetamines, since I have ADD, tends to really, really calm me... not to mention that clonazepam
can cause one to experience a false sense of well being when things clearly are NOT okay-like blacking out on
anything, period. So at any rate, I tell this story because bk-MDMA and bk-MBDB aka butylone are relatives of MDMA and as such, could potentially do the same (though bk-MBDB is really an analogue of MBDB which is closely related to MDMA). Of interest as well concerning my first question, these two are both phenethylamines, like all 2C-x's and 2C-T-x's. But not 4-MMC aka mephedrone; it's not related to MDMA nor a phenethylamine, but it is not, as some have said, a pure stimulant either-it's also an entactogen, at least a little.
So back to the quoted material, I wonder where the sources come from that suggest the damage to the kidneys, likewise, where are the resources that suggest that redosing is both a third harder on the body each time and speedier each time? I've never read nor heard of any studies suggesting such. I'd imagine that like most drugs, all three are rough on the kidneys and liver but who's to say these are worse than other drugs? And also, when you say "-thylones", do you really mean "-ylones", so as to include butylone, eutylone, pentylone, and ethylone? Or do you just mean methylone and ethylone? I *think* you probably typed a typo and meant to type "-ylones" so as to include the whole family.
Alright, well that's a ton of stuff there, but I really would love to hear from anyone about the safety of taking 2C-T-2 with methylone! Thanks guys and dolls!!! %)
****Of note, I've never done butylone, mephedrone, or methylone (or any relative of any these aside from amphetamines, methamphetamine, and MDMA), but like the sound of all three's effects--I must say also however that I'm very well read on these substances, as well as many other drugs, but there's always more information to be had, especially on research chemicals with little history of human use and little information that is not from peoples' experiences.
