Combining Lysergamides....both at once or staggered dosing?

[Thomas Davie]

I've only ever redosed with 4-AcO-DMT.fumurate. Oral or nasal dose and then 2 hours later 15-25 mg nasal. This did bring about a second peak/plateau albeit not quite as strong as if initially dosed all at once. Fine by me as it allows me to easily control how deep I want to go/how long I want the trip to last. It basically extended a 4-6 hour trip with a gentle comedown into a 6-8 hour trip with comedown.

I intend on combining 100 ug Eth-LAD and 150 ug AL-LAD this weekend, but am unsure whether staggering them slightly or taking them both at once (bucally). By themselves, I found Al-LAD teasingly short (6-8 hours) and Eth-LAD 10-12 hours in length.

Reason for trying this combination is curiosity; I'm interested in how the cartooniness I found in AL-LAD combines with the introspection and time dilation I found in Eth-LAD.

Is order of taking these going to have an effect if staggered?

Any opinions welcome.

thanks

Tom

(previously on 150 ug of AL-LAD I ended up looking at myself in a mirror for an hour or so just watching the distortions)

 

[perpetualdawn]

I've thought about this, and can't figure out what's optimal.

Keep in mind the onset time. It seems to me that ETH-LAD hits a lot faster than AL-LAD. You might dose at the same time, that way the ETH-LAD will hit first and the AL-LAD will sneak up from within it. Most convenient that way too.

Another complicating factor is that ETH-LAD seems to have this two-tiered peak, where it comes on to a plateau over the first hour or so, and then bumps up a notch at around 2h. So you might be in for a really big ride when the AL-LAD syncs up with that second tier of the ETH-LAD.

Or you could stagger it, dose the AL-LAD 1 or 2 hours after the ETH, that way the AL-LAD comes on after the second ETH tier has hit. And the end times would line up better.

Interested to hear what you do and what others think.

 

[VerbalTruist]

I would dose both at the same time. If you're going for a "strong" combination that would be the way to do it.

 

[Dracarys]

Please, make a post about your experience when you've tried this. I've combined morning glory seeds with 1p-LSD a few times and it was epic (fresh seeds hugely amplified the effects while old seeds decreased effects). Some other people have made posts about combining eth-lad with some other lysergamide and said it was epic as well. I now believe that there is a special synergistic thing going on between lysergic's. The more anecdotal evidence for this, the better. My experience, and the experience of a few others as well, indicate that the combination of lysergic's is dynamite. Just be carefull. Dose a little lower than you would if it where just one individual substance.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Oh yeah, that dosage (100µg ETH-LAD + 150µg AL-LAD) does seem kinda high. I'd go a bit lower, especially first time out with the combo. Not sure what kind of doses you're used to though.

 

[theacidtest]

Ya, be cautious with the dosage. For me personally, mixing 150ug LSZ and 150ug AL-LAD made for an extremely unpleasant come up. The rest of the experience was pretty cool though.

 

[Thomas Davie]

Here's what I've taken and the doses

LSZ @ 75-225 ug
Al-LAD @ 150 ug
1P-LSD @ 25-200 ug
Eth-LAD @ 100 ug

At first I found the come up on 1P unpleasant, but I adjusted to it in time; now I get minor chills, leg shaking and a slightly upset stomach (which quickly passes). With Eth-LAD, I had no issues on the come up; but the transition from sober to tripping was sudden and jarring - rather like Salvia or flipping a switch. No issues and really little effect from LSZ. Al-LAD was similarly ok, although the day after left me with an upset stomach.

perpetualdawn - 3 experiences with LSZ, 1 with Al-LAD, 1 with Eth-LAD and roughly 25 times with 1P. I`m not opposed to halving the dose of Al-LAD. In general I`ve very limited experience with combo`s save for mushrooms and weed.

Tom

 

[Pirre]

I'd be very careful about dosage, I mixed last week and severely underestimated it. I've had experience with 1P-LSD up to 250mcg, and did 1P-ETH-LAD once at 125mcg, very manageble. Then I tried 125mcg of each, both dropped together at the same time, and had a terrible trip for ~1 hour which seemed like way too many hours. Very good trip afterwards, but it took me a while to get back in the right headspace, they amplified each other incredibly.
Also take tolerance into account if you intend to stagger.

 

[momjrr]

In my opinion you have to take lysergamides at the same time, and no redosing.

I'm not sure if this would be a great combo because the ETH-LAD should last a bit longer than the AL-LAD and I don't know how that's going to feel. Do update us if you do it. For some reason AL-LAD only gives me a 1.5 hour peak.


I have done LSD + ETH-LAD at the same time, quite a few times. It can be problematic because the come ups can be a bit uncomfortable anyway, but ETH-LAD has a very intense and uncomfortable come up, where you feel like you've taken far, far too much. It does level out once you get to the peak though, but when combining it with something else it might be a really difficult come up. Usually that's ok for me but the last time I actually forgot about that fact and pretty much had a panic attack on 200ug LSD + 150ug ETH-LAD, and I've done 750ug ETH-LAD before which was uncomfortable for a straight 8 hours but no panic attack.

 

[Thomas Davie]

Thanks for all the inputs. Even though I think I would be ok with 100 ug Eth-LAD and 159 ug Al-LAD, I'm going to take 75 ug Al-LAD and 100 ug Eth-LAD and will report back here in ~24 hours. I dotted ny I's and crossed my T's (grocery shopped all I need for 2 days so I don't have to drive to grab anything I need, took the dogs out for a walk, fresh water etc, plenty of snacks (healthy and unhealthy) and have some good movies ready (A field in England and my usual horror). I think I'm set. I do not intend on trying to cook in the kitchen this time.

Tom

(not expecting a rough come up, but we'll see)

 

[Thomas Davie]

Here's the report (it's not a trip report per se, so I think it's ok to leave in this thread - if mods disagree please feel free to move as appropriate).

-One week prior I had tried 150 ug Al-LAD. Minimal results, no problem on the come up - but generally had bad leg muscle clenching (I get this on other Lysergamides as well, but not on mushrooms)
-Eight weeks prior I had tried 100 ug Eth-LAD for the first time and was surprised at both the strength of the trip and the sudden rapid comeup one hour past dosing.

Last night I took 75 ug Al-LAD and 100 ug Eth-LAD (I did listen, and was quite glad not to have dosed 150 ug Al-LAD along with the Eth-LAD). Bucally, left side of mouth - as always

+22m slight chills and leg shakes. Feel a bit 'off'
+36m feel a vibrating fuzziness in my cheeks/jaw. Definitely feeling cold
+47m put on a sweater and sweatshirt. Stomach feeling a wee bit queasy. Starting to feel strung out in an undefinable way
+53m light sensitivity increasing rapidly and colour shifting to a neonish purple (always a good sign, browns are bad)
+56m muscle clenching in legs annoying
+60m chewed and swallowed tabs. Disappointed to be honest
+78m having trouble focusing. A lot of blurring happening. Feeling very hungry
Sometime after +78m, but before +109m Someone is fucking with my video controls. The backlighting, contrast, saturation and hue of my vision is all fucked up. Mild OEV's about equal to 2g mushrooms
+109m OEV's prominent, consisting mostly of randomly glowing orbs suspended in mid air, scrolling arabesque patterns and sharply defined edge effects. In order to walk across the room I had to close my eyes and feel my way. Vision is really messed up
+115m Everything shifting into high gear. Reality is strobing (black/white diagonal stripes are superimposed on everything). Everything feels 3d and electric. If I think or breath I get shocks. I realize that the air is a thick, viscous fluid that shimmers and can be grabbed and held.
+357m Colours are very much electric blue and alive. OEV's are swirling patches of blue mixed in with a howling whistle/moaning sound. There is a very high frequency sould which I am not sure I like

Those are the reader's digest version of my notes. I ended up eating garbage (one box of crackers and a package of starburst candies) and drank about 3 1/2 beer. From about 6 hours there was a a 3 hour come down until I went to bed at 5 am and slept for three hours. Activities consisted of watching A Field in England (one hell of a tripping movie) and several episodes of Z Nation and playing with my dogs and cats.

As far as combining the 2 Lysergamides, I'd unequivocally say they are stronger. Not merely additive, but they do amplify each other. Had I taken the dose I originally intended it might ave been more difficult. As it was, there was no way I could function in public like this.

I'll edit this and add more tidbits later

Tom

 

[justme6263]

I intend on dropping 200ug of 1P-LSD and 100ug of 1P-ETH LAD at the same time later in this evening, I'll post a report of how I found it tomorrow afternoon.

 

[perpetualdawn]

^^ Thanks for reporting back with the outcome Thomas Davie, and I'm glad you took that cautious route!
Would you repeat this combo, and if so, at what dosages?
It's really interesting that these lysergamides seem to have synergy. It really opens up the possibilities.

 

[Thomas Davie]

^^ Thanks for reporting back with the outcome Thomas Davie, and I'm glad you took that cautious route!
Would you repeat this combo, and if so, at what dosages?
It's really interesting that these lysergamides seem to have synergy. It really opens up the possibilities.

I might go up to 150 Al-LAD/100 Eth-LAD, but not higher. I'm not sure yet where my tolerance lies for repeated use of either of these 2 Lysergamides, singly or in combination. The only one I've got a reallly good feel for is 1P-LSD. This Friday I'll find out if I have any sort of tolerance to Al-LAD.

My tolerance to tryptamines seems to reset completely in 1 week; I'm not so confident in Lusergamides and so am going cautiously.

Tom

 

[The Shadow Self]

I'd take them all at once. In fact, I recently bought some blotter that are a combination of ALD-52 and some really HQ needlepoint, and together they make for quite a combination. The vendor that I got them from does this often. He's also done AL-LAD and LSD together as well, and while I haven't done those tabs, I've combined AL and LSD before to great effect.

 

[Hawk-o]

^^ Thanks for reporting back with the outcome Thomas Davie, and I'm glad you took that cautious route!
Would you repeat this combo, and if so, at what dosages?
It's really interesting that these lysergamides seem to have synergy. It really opens up the possibilities.

personally I thought eth-lad and al-lad were a terrible combination. Very high anxiety and crappy bodyload. Really loved eth with 1p and eth with ald-52. Very nice combos for me.

 

[Thomas Davie]

personally I thought eth-lad and al-lad were a terrible combination. Very high anxiety and crappy bodyload. Really loved eth with 1p and eth with ald-52. Very nice combos for me.

What I've found so far is that

-1P-LSD gave me a slightly uncomfortable come up (chills and leg shakes) and GI gas the day after
-Al-LAD mild chills and leg shakes and mild nausea the day after
-Eth-LAD no problem on the come up and no problems after
-Al-LAD/Eth-LAD combination basically mild come up difficulties (shakes/chills)
-LSZ shakes/cchills on the come up.

All individually, or the one combination I've tried give me an odd visual effect the day after. If my eyes are closed and I slowly open them, I get a wild strobing effect that reminds me of a doppler shift. It's not troublesome, but as long as it persists I take it as a sign that I'm still 'altered' slightly. I guess shakes and chills are body load?

Eth-LAD with 1P-LSD really intrigues me. However, not having tried Ald-52, I gotta say I'm curious about that one as well. And for curiosity's sake, I'd like to find out about 1P-LSD/Ald-52

Tom

[edit; no question, my favourite Lysergamide so far has been Eth-LAD, although now that I can explore Al-LAD at higher doses we shall see. I'm slightly uncomfortable with the extremely rapid come up on Eth-LAD, but that's it.]

 

[justme6263]

I did the 200ug 1P-LSD + 100ug 1p-ETH LAD combo last weekend and here is what I found (not a full trip report but just a feeling):

The come up was quite fast in all honesty, writhing 20 mins I was feeling quite high. The combo felt quite familiar and much like 1P-LSD for a good two hours but then I started to feel the 1P-ETH LAD and it was more visual than usual in the sense that people were literally dissolving into walls but it didn't have the visuals I was expecting. I'd probably not get 1P-ETH LAD again given it is quite expensive in comparison to other lysergics and didn't have what I was looking for. I'd probably stick to 300ug of 1P-LSD next time.

I also intend to get some ERH LAD proper and ALD.52 and test them individually and then as a combo. Anybody else doe this?