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Opioids Combining Hydromorphone with Hydrocodone to get desired effects?

Intrinsic man

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I recently got my hands on 4 mg of Hydromorphone. I use opiates once a week and have a 30 mg tolerance to Hydrocodone. I am planning on insufflating the 4 mg Hydromorphone, but this will not be enough on its own to produce the desired effects I am looking for.

My question is can I take some Hydrocodone, wait for it to kick in, and then insufflate the Hydromorphone? Will they act in synergy?

If so, how much Hydrocodone should I take before hand? 15 mg? 20 mg? When should I snort the Hydromorphone? When I feel the Hydrocodone or perhaps a set period of time after ingestion?

Thanks in advance.
 
You certainly can combine the two, but remember that mixing opiate + opiate is going to give you a bit of a synergistic effect so you should reduce your doses accordingly.

My advice is to snort the 4mg of hydromorphone and see how you feel after 15-20 minutes or so....then take it from there with the hydrocodone.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
You certainly can combine the two, but remember that mixing opiate + opiate is going to give you a bit of a synergistic effect so you should reduce your doses accordingly.

My advice is to snort the 4mg of hydromorphone and see how you feel after 15-20 minutes or so....then take it from there with the hydrocodone.
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Don't you think, given the characteristics of insufflation (quick come up, shorter duration) that I should ingest the Hydrocodone first? I had thought if I snorted the morphone first then popped the codone I would end up not getting very high at all... or maybe I am wrong
 
That's a good point, but you don't want to take too much hydrocodone and then take the hydromorphone and then get sick and have the experience be ruined.

It's your call though, do you have any prior experience with snorting hydromorphone?
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
That's a good point, but you don't want to take too much hydrocodone and then take the hydromorphone and then get sick and have the experience be ruined.

It's your call though, do you have any prior experience with snorting hydromorphone?
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Not really... I snorted 4 mg like 6 months ago, I had a higher tolerance then so it didn't really do anything. My tolerance is lower now so I'm guessing it will be more effective this time around, just no where near enough.

I guess what I'm gonna try is taking 20 mg hydrocodone, wait till I get the first signs of it creeping up, then snort half of the morphone (the only problem is, how do I know if I am snorting the binders or the opiate? I measured the pill and it came out to like 160 mg... which means 156 of the pill is binder). A friend suggested dissolving it in water, apparently the opiate will be evenly distributed in liquid so I can just drink half of the water in order to insure that I am ingesting only 2 mg at a time... but I am not sure on the validity of this statement and I'm pretty sure morphone is shit when taken orally!
 
Intrinsic man said:
(the only problem is, how do I know if I am snorting the binders or the opiate? I measured the pill and it came out to like 160 mg... which means 156 of the pill is binder). A friend suggested dissolving it in water, apparently the opiate will be evenly distributed in liquid so I can just drink half of the water in order to insure that I am ingesting only 2 mg at a time... but I am not sure on the validity of this statement and I'm pretty sure morphone is shit when taken orally!
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The hydromorphone is equally distributed throughout the pill, so there is no need to dissolve it in water. The only thing that dissolving it in water can do is allow you to filter out some of the inactive ingridients that are not soluble in water, but this is usually only done when people are preparing the pill for IV use or for plugging.

Since you are going to sniff it just crush it up into a very fine powder, and sniff small lines at a time. Inhale it just enough for the powder to make it into your nasal/sinus cavity but soft enough that it doesn't go into your lungs. Wait a few minutes in between lines so that you allow the hydromorphone to be absorbed by the mucous membrane before doing more. This ensures that the most hydromorphone will be able to be absorbed properly since the mucous membranes won't be overloaded with too much powder at once.
 
Tommyboy said:
The hydromorphone is equally distributed throughout the pill, so there is no need to dissolve it in water. The only thing that dissolving it in water can do is allow you to filter out some of the inactive ingridients that are not soluble in water, but this is usually only done when people are preparing the pill for IV use or for plugging.

Since you are going to sniff it just crush it up into a very fine powder, and sniff small lines at a time. Inhale it just enough for the powder to make it into your nasal/sinus cavity but soft enough that it doesn't go into your lungs. Wait a few minutes in between lines so that you allow the hydromorphone to be absorbed by the mucous membrane before doing more. This ensures that the most hydromorphone will be able to be absorbed properly since the mucous membranes won't be overloaded with too much powder at once.
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Thanks, that was helpful. Can you explain how the hydromorphone is evenly distributed? I have postponed this indulgence until Tuesday due to lack of supplies, I will let you guys know how it went.
 
Intrinsic man said:
Can you explain how the hydromorphone is evenly distributed?
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The pills are homogeneous mixtures. They have it down to a forumula with certain percentages of various ingredients which are all mixed together. This is why people can be prescribed dosages that require them to cut the pills in half instead of having to be prescribed two different pill doses to add up to it. Example: Someone can be prescribed 6mg of hydromorphone a day, and the doctor can write it out as 1 1/2 4mg pills a day (45 pills a month) instead of having to write a separate prescription for 1 4mg pill and 1 2mg pill each day which would total 60 pills a month.
 
Maybe 4mg of a dilly didn't do much when you had a tolerance, but if you can only stomach about 30mg of HC... I see a 4mg rack of dilaudid wrecking you. Don't take the hydros before, do the dilly, possibly not even all of it, I'd make it into 2 different 2mg lines and just keep redosing as needed. Take 2mg, chill for a bit. Not feeling it? Take the other 2. Still not feeling it? I'm surprised, but then go in on your Hydrocodone about 10mg at a time. I'd hate to not see another post from you cause you felt like going all out rather than testing the waters.
 
no...don't do it all in two lines...do it in itty bitty bumps so it actually absorbs instead of dripping...
 
G_Owl$ said:
Maybe 4mg of a dilly didn't do much when you had a tolerance, but if you can only stomach about 30mg of HC... I see a 4mg rack of dilaudid wrecking you. Don't take the hydros before, do the dilly, possibly not even all of it, I'd make it into 2 different 2mg lines and just keep redosing as needed. Take 2mg, chill for a bit. Not feeling it? Take the other 2. Still not feeling it? I'm surprised, but then go in on your Hydrocodone about 10mg at a time. I'd hate to not see another post from you cause you felt like going all out rather than testing the waters.
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It's really that strong?? I guess I gotta do it to find out, I get so many different answers as it regards Hydromorphone and strength. I suppose I will just snort 4 mg, slowly, and see how that does me and go from there. I have 8 mg (possibly 12) total but I am splitting it with a friend, hence why I am trying to combine opiates. Hopefully I wont even need to.
 
Also, isn't stacking opiates (pretty much redosing) pretty ineffective? If I start to feel the hydromorphone and at its peak it is not enough, wouldn't waiting 30-45 for the hydrocodones to kick in be a waste since the morphone will be decreasing in strength by then?

Tommyboy: as always, that was very helpful - thanks!
 
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