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Opioids Cold water extracting?

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So I crushed up 4 5/500 hydrocodone pills and dissolved them in about a half a normal sized glass of warm water, made an ice bath, stuck it all in the freezer and let it sit a while. Filtered out the APAP with some cheesecloth. I'm wondering two things. First, did I use too much water? After I did it, i saw people saying that they use only 2 mL of water per pill. That seems like way too little but I'm a noob. Also, does it matter how long it is before I actually consume the water? I want to drink it later tonight (2-3 hours from now) I assume it'll still be fine? I wouldnt' think the hydrocodone would just disappear but like I said I'm a noob. Thanks guys!

Edit: Also, how long should I wait after eating to down it? Since opioids seem to be stronger when you didn't just eat a full meal...
 
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Less water just helps you down it quicker, like a shot. It isn't bad you used too much water... But it's bad if you don't use enough.

You can drink it right after the CWE, I've done it countless times. Helps if you've had a high fat meal ime. Also if you have em take some Tagamet and some diphenhydramine to potentiate!
 
^ Hey meeeeeean. I reckon ur wasting ur hydro just take the 4 pills whole. a 2g dose of APAP won't likely harm you (provided you do it on some food and don't take any more APAP for the rest of the day)*BUT IS STILL A GAMBLE NONETHELES*. I generally go by 4 grams A DAY'S WORTH (more on the 3 grams side) is okay for a days dose 2 grams ABSOLUTE MAX for a SINGLE dose - for me anyway, THAT'S FOR ME, SO FOR YOU IT'S A COINFLIP. The official recommended max daily dose is 4 grams IIRC which clinicians down here regularly exceed because they are so scared of opiods.
 
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2000mg of paracetamol in one dose is on the line of causing liver damage.
The old guidelines say 1000mg in one dose or 4000mg in 24hrs, anything over that and you start to put your liver under strain.
New legislation in the US now says 650mg in a dose and 3000mg in 24hrs (bear in mind that this is consecutive 24hrs, not 'a day') soit seems that theres even less wiggle room then previously thought.

It does make a big difference how much water you use.
Paracetamol (apap) is barely soluble in water (less so in cold water), while opiates are very soluble in even very cold water.
If you add too much water then you slightly raise the amount of paracetamol that can dissolve into the water (solubility). This means that more paracetamol ends up in the solution after filtering and thus defeats the point of cwe.

A good rule of thumb is use just enough water to fully cover crushed pills.

@whosajiggawaa, dont take this the wrong why mate because 99% of your posts are spot on but please dont advise people to go beyond recommended guidelines with paracetamol.
Ive seen someone die from paracetamol overdose and its truely awful (if anyone interested in details I did a loonng post on it on another thread), defo not something you ever want sat on your conscience due to a bit of bad advice.
 
^ CORRECTED. Yeah I kinda feared I'd catch a bit of flack for that one .It's just I was on a 2 g APAP IV drip changed twice or 3 times a day when I had one of my surgeries (plus 50 mg tramadol shots for breakthrough) horrific is a euphemism for that hospital stay.

So OP, take my advice with a dollop of salt.
 
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Its all good mate.lol
Hospitals may well use higher doses through a drip but its a slow, constant feed like that and ill bet they kept a close eye on your liver the whole time.
Paracetamol is an under-rated painkiller and a unique chemical but it defo has its nasty side.
 
^ yeah def is a good pain killer. for some types of pain. IT WAS NOT RIGHT FOR BONE PAIN, TORN MUSCLE AND NERVES + SEVERE POST OPERATIVE PAIN THATS FOR SURE. Its hard for me to even talk about that pain. But yeah there are certain types of pain it works for very well.
 
I CWE anything over 1000mg of APAP. I know the limit is higher but I don't want to push it. You only have one liver.

With the water, less is more.

Also, if you administer it orally, it helps to have an empty stomach.
 
Please use the search engine. This has been covered extensively and there's even a mega thread. There's no need for you to have your own thread.

I'm closing this, feel free to PM me if you don't understand why.
 
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