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Cognitive decline through drugs?

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I'm almost certain that most of us who have used drugs habitually or recreationally have experienced some kind of "brain fog"
whether it be short-long term memory problems, speech impediments, word-salad, concentration issues, etc...

What drugs have done this for you? and what were your ways to combat this? If you're still going through it - what are you doing to help yourself?
And if you care to mention: what were the drugs in question which started this?

See I took some MDMA twice this month and I really feel a lot "dumber" this week...
Last year I was doing a lot of stimulants, ketamine, and DXM (tons of the latter) and al though I stopped DXM/ketamine altogether, my brain still doesn't feel "the same" as it did prior to all usage.

Anyway, yea, if there's discussions about this already feel free to close.
 
the brain can take a long time to restore itself to normal levels of functioning. DXM was always the worst for me in terms of making me feel burnt out, give it a solid year and you should be feeling pretty good

exercise (physical and mental) and proper diet are both absolutely vital to speeding recovery, breathing exercises, etc.

you could also look into nootropics like piracetam
 
Taking too much of anything leads me to feel "dumber".
This has happened with weed more than anything else, since other drugs I have used are mostly psychedelics, which are harder to abuse.

As owls said above, exercise and diet are essential.
I would also suggest yoga or meditation, which help me recover when I overdo it.
Otherwise, it just takes time...
 
If you want to ask folks about their brain fog experiences it could go to drug culture where I think it will likely get closed as not all that productive or interesting of a discussion.

If you are looking for ways to overcome brain fog I can send this to Healthy Living.

If you are looking for a list of drugs that can cause brain fog I could send to BDD, but again it might get closed as all psychoactive drugs can produce brain fog for someone if used on a daily basis. It might be to subjective to have substantive HR value and closed.

What drugs are the least apt to cause brain fog would have problems with brain fog would be a little more HR but also likely to subjective.

I'll leave here a bit for this to develop a direction or for the OP to say more about what he is looking for.
 
You've got to consider the indirect effects too. When I was using way too much GHB my sleep was really impaired. I felt like shit with extreme brain fog every day.
 
I did not use any drugs except MDMA few times (maybe 4) and alcohol about one or two 16cl red wine per week and twice a year until I got very drunk which with my tolerance for those days was about one bottle of wine. I have got my IQ tested initially when I turned 21 and I became a member of Mensa which for some of those familiar what it is may tell something about my IQ.

I started doing benzos and opiates when I stopped serving for army at Afghanistan. After starting opiates (oxycodone three times 20mg a day) my IQ went up for a little bit. Especially in areas where you need to decide which symbol fits into series of symbols.

After long term of use of diazepam 20mg per day and 2mg xanax per day my IQ dropped significantly (rougly 20 points). Mostly in all areas but biggest drop was in areas that needed short term memory. Also tests that specifically test for short term memory showed significant drop in my capabilities. I am not sure but for example the amounts of digits average person can remember when they are repeated three times for him/her and then asked to write them up after 60 seconds are something like 7-9 digits. For me it was 4.5 digits as it before has been around 17-19 depending on my level of awareness during the test.

Long term memory in terms not related to things people naturally should remember (by naturally I mean things that revolve around our social life like names of places, peoples names, emotions and memories) like passwords and phonenumbers which are artificial regarding our history of evolution where harmed into a point that I could not remember the long alphadigit passwords I normally used (32 marks long) or even phonenumbers that I used to know. I used to have no contacts in my phonebook for the ones I used frequently but had to end that habit. For the passwords I could used the old ones because they retained in muscular memory (I mean that you can remember the motions to input them automatically without even thinking the marks). But my long term memory was never tested.

I tapered down benzos and quitted them totally and after a week my short term memory improved to a level that I could remember 8.8 digits. After a month It went to a 14.6. Not sure about the current situation. All the tests I am talking here were done by either my psychologist or some Mensa personnel. I am looking forward to have my IQ tested again in june and I will post the results. I love doing tests :)

But it scares me the hell out that if there is no progress in that drop of 20 IQ points I would consider myself as a retard even though that 20 point drop would still be in a limit that Mensa takes new members. And they dont kick you out even if you after becoming a member detoriate your IQ by naturally aging, in a accident or by alcohol or other drug usage. After what we have discussed in Mensa we have come to conclusion that when I go through schools telling about our club I note them that they should cease all CNS affecting drug use atleast a month before taking our test if they want to show out all of their potential.

So I would really say that benzos are from hell if you want to maintain you cognitive abilities especially the short and long-term memory I would suggest you consider quitting or never starting them. I thought I needed them but actually feel less anxious than when on them as they also prevent you to use coping techniques that can be learned on a proper and real behavioral cognitive therapy. Although the side-effects on cognitive abilities might be less severe with people who have a more normal IQ level.

The opiates/opiods do not seem to impair cognitive abilities at all if used as prescribed for pain and even tend to enhance them because you can focus better with no pain. Of course nodding out when recreationally using is not the best feeling to go out and fill a IQ test but otherwise I suppose they are safe if you take care to not nod enough to have an insufficient oxygen levels at brain.

Love you people and take care of your head and feed it with complicated tasks and good nutrients. And remember that amphetimines or other stimulant do not make you smart, they just help you to perform repetative tasks faster and even cause more errors in them when you are near comedown. That has been tested inside Mensa for decades ago and still been tested.
 
I've definitely noticed a big decline in my cognitive functioning. I have a terrible memory, I have trouble thinking in abstacts (e.g. doing maths in my head), and my concentration can be pretty bad.

It's impossible to know exactly which drugs have done what to my brain... I'm a chronic meth addict, but I've been using various drugs since I was about 14 years old. Started huffing solvents and smoking weed, often drank alcohol till I passed out, took a lot of ecstasy during my late teens, and at times I've also abused opiates, dissociatives, and other stuff.

I try to take supplements like l-Tyrosine to help with the dopamine depletion caused by my meth habit, but apart from that I don't do much to combat the problems. It can be hard to think healthy in the midst of a heavy addiction.
 
the question is can you reverse cognitive decline?

my head feels permantly pickled after years of drug addiction
 
I have real difficulty remembering words the day after rolling.. words like "spoon" -
"what is that metal thing you use to eat food with? the round one?"
"uh. you mean a spoon..?"
"YEAH!"

:(

So basically some short term memory problems. Funny thing is, I felt smarter while I was doing ketamine. Like the day after, if I had school, I felt like a genius. I haven't really done it much for 2 months by now, trying to quit. And now I feel a little dumber. Well, I suppose that could be the drugs' effect on my brain catching up on me, who knows.. I guess I'll just have to start doing it every other day again and see how smart I feel *derp*
 
It's been years, but when i first began using MDMA i experienced alot of cognitive difficulties, short-term no less.. but there was an 'air' of haze that lingered for a long time, psychedelics to a lesser extent left me quite dissociated for a while which also impaired my cognitive function within reality.

At some stage or another i decided i was done, and stopped all frequent use of drugs.. this in my experience is the first major step in regaining mental focus, and it will take time.. it took me just under a year until i felt confident that i was back to a satisfactory level of mental functioning.. it might be more or less for you. My other piece of advice would be to actively engage your mind in reading.. this helps in stimulating mental focus and keeping it sharp, find something your interested in whether through the internet or books and start reading/researching.

As others have suggested, exercise and diet help tremendously.. healthy body, healthy mind, healthy spirit. Essentially, 'be gentle with yourself'.. everyone push's there limit at some time or another, the fall may be great.. but theirs always a way back up.

Take care :)
 
Even when doing "lighter" drugs (weed, alcohol) for a day or two, I feel like my cognitive abilities have dissipated. My spelling goes and I can't create full thoughts in my head. My mind tends to be more sporadic the day or two after smoking or drinking.

I only smoke and drink every so often now to prevent the feeling of feeling plain and simply *stupid* the next day. I'm a quite witted person by nature; people look at me funny when I can't think of anything to say. It's embarrassing.

The best way to come to a more solid cognitive function is to discontinue your use of hard (and limit your use of soft) drugs. It takes months, years even, to come around the bend to more clear brain function. I am fortunate to never become dependent on such things, so the damage I have caused myself is limited.

As others have mentioned, substitute drugs with more healthy venues: a good diet and plenty of sunshine and exercise, sprinkled with mental clarity (meditation, yoga, etc.) is a good combination.
 
To the op.
Perhaps it's more a case of cognitive decline through not using your brain. As i have noticed people who dont even use drugs have these same problems, and these people are usually always people who dont exercise their brain in anyway whatsoever.

I also know many drug users who are many more times intelligent than non-drug users, and always these are people who are constantly using their brains.

So i wouldn't be so quick to purely blame all your cognitive decline on drug use. Because if you're the type who hasn't read a book since the ones you had to in school, go to work at some job thats mindless, come home tired and park your ass infront of the tv, eat then sleep and do it all again. Then take harder drugs on the weekend, well there's a perfectly obvious reason why you would be experiencing cognitive decline and that's because your brain just isn't being challenged/used/exercised.

Literally is a case of use it or lose it. Sadly in todays world people can go years before they realise how mentally lazy they have become.
 
To the op.
Perhaps it's more a case of cognitive decline through not using your brain. As i have noticed people who dont even use drugs have these same problems, and these people are usually always people who dont exercise their brain in anyway whatsoever.

Wow, I think you hit the nail on the head. Not only is it a case of taking drugs which fuck around with the brain, but also I haven't been using my brain to it's fullest extent. I used to read daily, exercise at a gym, go out, and was at the peak of my intellectual capability when I was around 17. After that I basically flopped around, and, like you said parked my ass in front of the TV. These are the consequences. Thank you, this post really shed light on my situation. Much love!
 
Wow, I think you hit the nail on the head. Not only is it a case of taking drugs which fuck around with the brain, but also I haven't been using my brain to it's fullest extent. I used to read daily, exercise at a gym, go out, and was at the peak of my intellectual capability when I was around 17. After that I basically flopped around, and, like you said parked my ass in front of the TV. These are the consequences. Thank you, this post really shed light on my situation. Much love!

Well in all honesty, when it comes to the subject of progressive cognitive decline, i think drug use dosn't play that great of a role directly. It just comes down to how our brains work, the more you think,do,say,read,ect anything the more solid the respective neural network connections become.

And you can see this around you, people who are mentally lazy as a result have a less neural network connections so to speak, it's obviously abit more complex than this but you get the picture. And like we all know smart drug users and we all know dumber drug users.

Some drugs definitely make it easier or more likely for someone to be "mentally lazy" as i've put it. And i know myself it takes effort to keep myself active when i smoke bud all day, but the distinction is made, i dont think the weed directly dumbens me i think the opposite tbh(except in a mathematical context). But it most definitely breaks my usual drive to do shit, though i can consciously avoid. As soon as i'm not staying aware of my activity level i find myself doing nothing all day.
 
^ Although I heartily agree, I sometimes wonder if there's not a sort of "up-side" to this too.I don't accept any of that nonsense about how drugs help you access parts of your brain you don't normally use etc. but I feel that they help you learn ways of thinking and patterns of response to the world that you might otherwise never experience.Cognitive decline could be just the loss of focus that comes with a new multiplicity of vision.
 
Taking too much (specifically mdma which I have done on occasion) makes me feel dumb. Just a moderate amount is fine for me though.
 
No disrespect to the forums and administrators, but how is that this lands in healthy living. I don't do anything besides drink and not very often, and when I find myself visiting the forum and having a look in " healthy living" I find this thread.

Seriously everybody wake up and give up the drugs, its not a good relationship, yeah a buzz every now and then but come on.

How is it that even healthy living gets mixed up with drug issues.

These questions should be devoted to a whole class of its own, maybe Harm reduction, which is what these forums are supposedly about. Yeah right.
 
^ Where do you feel it belongs? "Healthy Living" is about anything for living, well, healthy. People are going to do drugs. Reread the original post and you'll see this tidbit: "What drugs have done this for you? and what were your ways to combat this? If you're still going through it - what are you doing to help yourself? And if you care to mention: what were the drugs in question which started this?" I think it fits in HL the best but maybe it would get better responses elsewhere. :)

HL gets "mixed up with drug issues" because, as I said, people are going to do drugs. This site is about harm reduction, so this is the place for drug users to talk about how to reduce the harm they are causing themselves.

While I agree that people should give up the drugs, it's not always possible for everyone to quit cold turkey--And it can actually be dangerous while on some drugs.
 
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