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Codiene may becoming Script only ?

^ Sucks for the codeine fiends I suppose.

Still, all things considered, that is a much better and fairer compromise than outright making codeine script only.
 
In Vic some chemists still just hand it over, saying "you'll just get it from another pharmacy if we give you a hard time over a box of panadiene", while others, ffs, have actually said if it wasn't the w/end they'd call my GP to check I needed it! Along with taking licence details etc. No limit that I'm aware of yet, excel you can only buy one product containing codiene at a time.

Rtp
 
Sounds like they're trying to self regulate to prevent losing their cash cow all together.
 
I remember going to QLD a few years ago and indeed rules were strict even then. Vic, similarly - was asked for my license every time.

Here in NSW, it still seems rather lax.
 
Yeah, i went to my usual shop that doesnt hassle me, and it seems the box of 40s have disappeared from the shelf. Im not 100% just yet as i had no money, but today im gonna scope it out when pay goes in. I still saw the 24s, so they havnt completely been removed. Fingers crossed..
 
Im in WA, so ill report back in the next day or 2. Odd though, because the regulator was proposing a FULL prescription-only proposal. Possibly some people around the boardroom with their own incentives have bargained with them.
 
I can happily confirm, us sandgropers havnt felt the effect of this proposal just yet. Went to another place, and both boxes were still there, no questions asked. walked home with a smile on my dial, singin in the rain!

Like spacejunk said before, this proposal will only open up a new smack market which i oh so dearly do not want to be apart of.
 
Yeah, no. Fuck rcs. I want well established drugs, with history since modernity.
 
No RC s have there place ? Sooner or later all decent shit that works will be script only
 
Yea seems to depend on pharmacy some ask a million questions n get license others don't seem to give a shit and bang a label on it no questions asked
 
I'm always documented here in our small country town, but it's hit and miss in the bigger towns/cities.
 
ill be seriously upset when and if this does get implemented. codeine was always my go-to happy land ever since i first took a couple panadeine extras and felt that opiate warmth/buzz and felt in love with the shit. yeah yeah, its considered weak to many, but its always held a special place in my heart.


if only the people behind these decisions realise that its the paracetamol/ibuprofen that is killing people, rarely, if ever, the actual codeine itself. im not stupid though and know that its the codeine that hooks people in, and its the combination products that end up causing the real problems. if only more harm reduction was provided to these people who know nothing about a CWE or the true damage paracetamol/ibuprofen can cause by just taking a couple extra tablets which leads to full packets a DAY... yet instead of taking the real problem head on its just easier for these fuckwits to basically ban the shit... logic? non-existant... :?


i can already see a lot more people who dabble with codeine a couple times a month/week seeking out harder opiates, as i know i would most likely end up being one of those people. ive tried all the major opiates/opiods and once upon a time didnt really give a shit but now that im taking life in general a lot more serious, i know that the consequences of using that top dog opiates i have access to will lead to my family basically giving up on me, as well as the missus, which is something i couldnt live with. it is hard enough to have the missus be okay with a good ol CWE or bottle of riko every week or fortnight let alone rackin up lines up some fine H.


im not a religion man, but am praying to the opiate gods that they dont let this happen in this beautiful country of ours where we are blessed with codeine being OTC... oh and not mixed with another bs additive like caffeine...


fuck it, im high as shit on a CWE n a bottle of riko n reading about this has brought in some opi-rage so im gonna leave it at that... /endrant
 
We have been talking about Codeine becoming restricted on here for more than 10 years now. I don't see it happening any time soon.
 
Currently eating humble pie :)

All codeine-containing medications could be prescription-only from next year

Common painkillers such as Nurofen Plus and Panadeine could soon require a doctor's prescription after a shock decision by Australia's drug regulator.
From June next year, about 150 codeine products may no longer be available "over-the-counter" at pharmacies.
Medicines affected include Codral Original Cold and Flu Tablets, Aspalgin Soluble tablets, Mersyndol tablets and a number of cough and cold medications which can be bought at chemists with no current restrictions.
The interim decision by the Therapeutic Goods Administration follows escalating concerns over deaths and internal injuries caused by the abuse of popular drugs that mix codeine, a weak but potentially addictive opioid, with ibuprofen or paracetamol.
The TGA found a 2010 decision to charge pharmacists with dispensing the drugs had not done enough to stem the problem.
"Codeine is increasingly a drug of abuse in Australia," the TGA ruling stated.
With no way to track those visiting multiple stores, pharmacists have been struggling to identify addicts taking up to 100 painkiller tablets a day. People using drugs such as Nurofen Plus should take no more six tablets every 24 hours and only use it for a few days.
The interim ruling has been backed by the Australian Medical Association, addiction specialists and the Australian College of General Practitioners, which said the change would "save lives".
But industry groups including the Pharmacy Guild of Australia will fight the decision, saying it would be "unlikely" to curb addiction, create more work for doctors and disadvantage the majority of people who use the products safely.
Pharmacy Guild National President George Tambassis said a "real-time" system that tracked codeine individuals were buying would do more to prevent painkiller abuse – an initiative backed by the AMA.
Meanwhile Australian Self Medication Industry chief executive Deon Schoombie estimated the change would cost Medicare $170 million a year because of unnecessary doctor's appointments.
But national AMA vice president Stephen Parnis backed the TGA's judgment. "This about the patient's interests, not the people treating them," he said.
He said the change could mean people would be more likely to seek medical advice for codeine addiction, particularly "accidental addicts".
"If that means more expenditure so be it but the loss of a young life from the misuse of an addictive medication like codeine is astronomical to the community in social as well as economic terms," he said.
Industry groups will be able to make submissions on the TGA's interim ruling, before a final decision is made in late November.
The move has the support of a number of community pharmacists who have faced abuse when questioning people's demand for codeine tablets.
Irvine Newton, chairman of the Pharmaceutical Society's harm minimisation group, said having codeine products available in pharmacies had "been a disaster by any stretch of the imagination".
Often those who become hooked on the tablets had no history of drug abuse but accidentally became dependent after taking more than they should, he said.
Mr Newton has seen growing numbers of people so addicted to over-the-counter medicine they had been placed on drug treatment programs.
The number of Australians being treated for codeine addiction more than tripled over the decade to 2012-13, from 318 to more than 1000 a year.
Mr Newton said there were some alternatives to the low-dose codeine tablets, such as ibuprofen and paracetamol combinations, that were more effective for treating pain.
Codeine is not available over the counter in the US, most of Europe, Hong Kong, India and Japan, but about 1.3 million packets are sold at pharmacies around Australia every month.



http://theage.com.au/national/all-c...ptiononly-from-next-year-20151001-gjzdex.html
 
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^Let the hoarding begin.

As other posters have said previously, this is gonna open up a cottage industry of dope fiends. Ppl need their fix somehow, and most people dont like the idea of having to deal with the doctor down the road.
 
This will probably put a large burden on the already struggling drug detox/rehab institutions of australia (especially the public ones).

I can't say i'm surprised though; even if things did go a bit quiet for a while, the wheels of legislative change can turn pretty damn slowly. While the changes made a few years ago seemed to put pressure on pharmacies regarding their dispensing of codeine preparations, it doesn't seem to have had much effect long term - things have pretty much gone back to how they were, at least as far as i have observed.
i can see how the TGA would consider the OTC availability of codeine medications to be untenable. While i'm not saying i agree with this by any means, the idea that a country with so many drug restrictions would allow codeine to be bought over the counter, virtually 'no questions asked' seems too "good" to be true.
I hope people start tapering and looking at potential treatment options if this does come to pass. The idea that people may go from codeine to suboxone - or worse - is a bit of a worry, to me anyway.
Hopefully these users will not see heroin or diverted opiates/opioids as a better option than seeking help for their addictions, but i assume that a sizeable number of codeine dependent individuals do not otherwise identify as substance users - or are getting by without the knowledge of family and friends - which could leave them pretty vulnerable if these changes are made as soon as next year.

Might be a good time for codeine users to start looking into treatment programs in their local area...
Some places have fairly large waiting lists at the best of times...
 
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