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Codeine pills

Dumbnut

Dumbnut

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So i have this Codeine pills that contain 30mg of Codeine each and 10mg of Phenyltoloxamine (?). So my question is if i take too much of the second would it harm my body or something? Or i need to do a CWE, if so, can you guys please tell me how much water i should use. I already tried 30mg and it gave me a light buzz and i felt asleep. I wanna try more this time and kinda feel those euphoria effects.

Please help!!
 
Phenyltoloxamine is a sedating (first-generation) anti-histamine. So yes, taking too much of it will cause some nasty side effects.

What sort of opiate tolerance to you have? Have you used opiates before? What dosage of phenyltoloxamine is in each 30mg codeine tablet?

We need a bit more information to give you a better answer...
 
There is 10mg on each tablet, i dont think i have any kind of tolerance and if i have one i guess it would be a low one. The only opiate i've ever tried is Codeine and only 30mg, i didnt gave me many notable effects. So my question is it necessary to do a CWE?
 
Definitely wouldn't advise taking more than a couple of those pills at once, not sure if it's possible to remove with a CWE though due to the very small amounts involved.. might be worth keeping an eye out to see if you can get any other codeine formulations.
 
But a CWE would remove at least something? Or it wouldn't work at all? Because i don't know if i can get other sources of Codeine
 
CWEs only remove certain things, like APAP. They're not a "cure-all" for codeine formulations mixed with other drugs.

As nAON said, take it easy with these. If you haven't taken any opiates before you don't have a low tolerance, you have no tolerance. 60-120mg codeine should do the trick. However, some people get absolutely no effects from codeine or very little effect because of metabolic differences [source].

If I were you, I would take this very slow and work your way up. The phenyltoloxamine is going to have a very pronounced sedative effect (which is why you felt really sleepy the first time you took the codeine/phenyltoloxamine tablet) and that effect will be even more pronounced if you take more tablets. I'm not aware of anybody who has done a CWE or other extraction to remove the phenyltoloxamine from tablets - but that's not to say it can't be done....I just don't know enough about that formulation.

Do not do a regular CWE and expect it to remove the phenyltoloxamine.
 
Ok, but there isn't another way to remove it? Or at least know how much Phenyltoloxamine can be harmful?
 
A quick search online shows that the usual doses of phenyltoloxamine are 40-60mg (this thread says so as well). That translates to six of the tablets (which would be 180mg codeine).

I wouldn't take any more than 80-100mg of phenyltoloxamine per day. However, due to its sedating effects, you'll probably have to take less codeine (the phenyltoloxamine will potentiate the codeine's effects). I wouldn't take any more than six of the tablets at one time - not only because you don't have an opiate tolerance but because at that dosage of phenyltoloxamine you'll probably just fall asleep and not get to experience the codeine's effects in the first place...
 
Ok i guess 3 pills would be a good start, but another question, what effects should i expect? Any negative ones?
 
No, it contains only 30mg codeine and 10mg phenyltoloxamine each. Oh and it says Anhydrous Codeine (tried to translate it cuz im from venezuela) and it says incorporated ion exchange resins (?)
 
OK.
Was just wondering cause I get more out of the OTC tablets I get that contain....
Paracetamol 300 mg
Phenylpropanolamine HCl 25 mg
Phenyltoloxamine Citrate 22 mg
Codeine Phosphate 15 mg

I prefer taking 3 of these tablets to taking any amount of codeine on it's own.
But I can imagine the drowsiness of the ones that you get, sorry I couldn't be of more help.
 
Dumbnut said:
what effects should i expect? Any negative ones?
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Codeine can definitely have unwanted side effects. Some people are also allergic or sensitive to codeine, and it can be tricky because the allergy doesn't normally show up until you've done it a few times. Some people are poor metabolizers of codeine and find that they get few pleasant effects from it but may still get the side effects. Effects that are normally considered desirable include pain relief, euphoria, decreased anxiety and sedation/drowsiness (although that one can also be unwanted).

Common side effects include itching, nausea/vomiting, dry mouth, constipation, difficulty urinating, and feeling apathetic or depressed.

Symptoms of a codeine sensitivity include nausea, headaches, heart palpitations, disorientation, irritability/agitation, dizziness, flushing, and visual disturbances.

Symptoms of a codeine allergy include swelling, hives or rash, sweating, difficulty breathing, heart palpitations, convulsions and heart troubles.

Of course some of the symptoms of a sensitivity or allergy can also be normal side effects and vice versa. If you end up finding you get a lot of side effects or little pleasurable effects then maybe it isn't for you.
 
I have had codeine a couple of times and, once, I developed rashes over my body and my chest was bright red. The dose was 190mgs and all my doses have ranged from 120-190mgs.
 
Ok yesterday i took 3 pills so that would be 90mg of Codeine. I didn't felt shit and i don't have any opiate tolerance, it didn't make me felt asleep even. No side effects at all, just slight drowsiness imo, but nothing more. I did it like 1 hour after i ate dinner does that makes a difference? I really wanna try Codeine.
 
Dumbnut said:
Ok yesterday i took 3 pills so that would be 90mg of Codeine. I didn't felt shit and i don't have any opiate tolerance, it didn't make me felt asleep even. No side effects at all, just slight drowsiness imo, but nothing more. I did it like 1 hour after i ate dinner does that makes a difference? I really wanna try Codeine.
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You'll feel much more if you do it on an empty stomach.
Also 90mg isn't much, if you really wanna feel something I'd recommend like 150mg or something...first time I did it it was 250mg but that's kinda high and not recommendable I think.
But then again where I live you can pretty much get pure codeine pills OTC so I don't know how exactly it works for you regarding the other things in the pills.
 
I have been browsing over the web (found it on another forum) and found this about phenyltoloxamine solubility in water:

Water Solubility Estimate from Log Kow (WSKOW v1.41):
Water Solubility at 25 deg C (mg/L): 129.5

I would like someone to tell me if this is correct, because there is so much lack of information about this antihistaminic. If thats correct is it possible to extract it doing a CWE?
 
If only 129mgs is soluble in 1 litre of water at 25 deg c then yes a cwe should work.
 
Dumbnut said:
I have been browsing over the web (found it on another forum) and found this about phenyltoloxamine solubility in water:

Water Solubility Estimate from Log Kow (WSKOW v1.41):
Water Solubility at 25 deg C (mg/L): 129.5

I would like someone to tell me if this is correct, because there is so much lack of information about this antihistaminic. If thats correct is it possible to extract it doing a CWE?
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Exactly what type of phenyltoloxamine do you have? Phenyltoloxamine is usually combined with citric acid to form phenyltoloxamine citrate, which I believe makes it more soluble in water. But on packaging labels they sometimes just say "phenyltoloxamine", when actually referring to phenyltoloxamine citrate.

Either way, I wouldn't trust that estimate of 129.5 mg/L. It is just a computer software prediction and is referring to phenyltoloxamine, not phenyltoloxamine citrate. I don't think any definite solubility is known for phenyltoloxamine. The software used, the Estimation Program Interface (EPI) Suite, just calculates estimates using certain data available on the substance. That same software, using a different calculation method, gave a very different predicted solubility of 8.4 mg/L. In other sources I have seen vastly different info about the solubility of phenyltoloxamine and phenyltoloxamine citrate. Many just say "not known", while some say "soluble in water" or "very soluble in water", and one says "very soluble in hot water, slightly soluble in cold water". One chemical supply company (I can't list the source because they sell drugs) lists the solubility of phenyltoloxamine citrate at 50 mg/ml. Not sure which of these other ones are referring to phenyltoloxamine citrate and which are referring to phenyltoloxamine, but they vary so much I would not consider any of them reliable.

I wouldn't take too much of it. Wikipedia says: "Phenyltoloxamine is also used to discourage abuse in certain opiate analgesics due its unpleasant side effects at high doses. While therapeutic doses of phenyltoloxamine can generate mild to moderate euphoria as can many of its close chemical relatives, much higher doses have a side effect profile similar to that of atropine".
 
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