Codeine CWE Question/s

[DK-maTTy]

I know their are plenty of threats, discussions & information on the internet about CWE (I've been searching & reading about it for about the past 90 minutes)

I've done plenty of CWE in the past, The way I do it is I simply keep a big glass bottle of cold water in the refrigerator ready for whenever I wish to do a CWE, I only use products that contain ibuprofen or paracetamol + Codeine Phosphate.

When im ready I will take any where between 12-20 pills into a bottle of about 300-400mL of cold water from the fridge, sometimes I will put it straight back into the fridge & others I will just put the bottle in my wardrobe so avoid my younger sisters doing a random pop-in & noticing a bottle of water filled with pills in the fridge.

Then after everything is dissolved I filter with a coffee filter & enjoy


Well anyway I always believed that keeping the water as cold as possible was key to a good extraction in terms of filtering as much ibuprofen and paracetamol as possible.. (I know crushing the pills might be better & faster but I don't have a pill crusher & im worried about losing product doing that so I just take the time consuming way with piece of mind knowing everything is in the water) Perhaps im wrong?? Because I read it may not dissolve everything leaving small chunks undissolved (Though I always check that it has all dissolved of course)

So I've been reading that people use worm water, NOT hot, Just worm (With crushed pills) That confuses me.. I mean if you want to speed up the process, isn't crushing enough? Worm water with crushed pills would dissolve ibuprofen & paracetamol rather fast I would have assumed meaning you'll be unable to filter it out, almost like it'll go through the filter the same way the codeine does..

So why exactly do people use worm water then let it cool down, then put it in the freezer until the water is extremely cold, then filter it with a coffee filter or what ever they use?

Wont using worm water make the ibuprofen/paracetamol dissolve into the water making it impossible to filter as it will no longer be dusty/sticky substance at the bottom of the bottle?


I read a lot that I dont understand lol, the words & terms people use I have no idea of the meaning.. It seems to me like possibly worm water extracts more codeine into the water at first than ice cold water, is that correct?

Using cold water right from the start, am I wasting codeine with my method? Would it be more potent if I did it with worm water first, then put the solution in the refrigerator or freezer until its ice cold? & if so what about the ibuprofen and paracetamol? Does that dissolve a lot more in worm water also?

Could someone kindly explain to me in lamest terms what the difference is?


Also not so important but im curious anyway.. their is one brand of pills I've used a few times & they actually dissolve in cold almost imminently, something like 60 seconds & 15 pills will be completely gone! turned into gooey dust at the bottom of the water as opposed to the regular 30-45 minutes it usually takes for other brands of pills I buy. The only noticeable thing I've noticed is that they contain Lactose, they acre called "Panafen Plus"

This is them here:
http://www.chemistaustralia.com.au/products/panafen-plus-caplets-30-max-1-of-any-kind-per-order.html

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any idea why these one in particular dissolve so fast? Im sure I've had another brand before that also contained Lactose but they didn't dissolve any where near as fast as these Panafen Plus.. I just wonder why that is..

Thanks for any help in advanced

 

[doIhavePotential]

you should use less water, 2ml/tab is more than enough. for 20 tablets even 30ml should be ok.

warm/hot water allows for the tablets to dissolve faster, so you don't have chunks in the mixture. Some tablets take a while, some dissolve much quicker. Remember some people are doing CWE with 50 8mg tablets, some even 100+ 8mg tablets because they have a high tolerance or drink the mix throughout the day.

cold water is always better, codeine is very soluble in water.

 

[DK-maTTy]

Im not calling you a liar but I find it hard to believe that even 20 tablets in 50ml water would not be enough.. I think maybe not all the codeine will absorb such a small amount of water so I always believed that the more water I use, the mode codeine im more likely to extract.. Am I wrong? Will using anything more than 50ml for 20 tablets have any positive effect or make any difference at all??

Im dissolving 20 tablets in about 100ml of water right now, much less water than what I would usually use..

I've done a small amount of water once, I forgot how much, would have been around the 100ml mark & I forgot how many pills I used but I remember it did next to nothing for me, thats why i've always used at least 300ml water..

But then again, My tolerance is moderately to very high, sometimes I may get VERY euphoric feeling from 300MG codeine, others I may just get a worm feeling in my body.. I like to pop a few pills with the CWE, I find this gives me a much better experience.

Also will re filtering the left over paracetamol make a big difference in terms of extracting more codeine? I always squeeze as much as I can until the paracetamol is practically a hard dry ball in the coffee filter, I was reading that its possible their is still much more codeine left in those remains.. Is this true? I will be re filtering this CWE im doing right now just in case but I'd love some more knowledge on this matter. Thanks.

 

[DK-maTTy]

How much water for CWE?

Im sorry to make another thread, I've just read so much about this & find different answers.

I was wondering how much water should I use for a 40 pill CWE?

I have read 2ml per pill but I have also seen 10ml per tablet..

Is their a minimum amount of water that must be used in order to extract all the codeine??

I mean will 600mg of codeine be absorbed into 80ml of water? Considering im using 15mg codeine/500mg paracetamol pills?

& also after doing a CWE with the 40 pills, say I use 100ml of water, once I get my final product, Could I use that 100ml of final product, add another 40 pills & repeat the process? Therefor making the final product double the strength? Just curious..


No I wont be drinking 1200mg of codeine by the way.

 

[DK-maTTy]

Im just going to copy & past what I've written on another forum in hopes that somebody can actually follow/get what im saying & what im actually trying to ask in order to give me an answer.. It would be greatly appreciated!!


Im sorry im a pain in the ass, asking stupid/ignorant questions but I feel this is a reasonable question to ask considering I've literally spent hours searching the internet for the answer.. All I find is basic/different methods of doing CWE which I already know.. I've done it for years.

I know that their is not much to a CWE. Its not so much the little paracetamol finding its way through im worried about but I am a little worried as I do this also on a daily basis..

500mg Paracetamol per day may not be a problem..? However maybe it is a problem taking it daily for 2 years or more?? I dont know..

To explain what I mean more clearly, Here is the CWE I did right now, This is sitting in the fridge right now as I type this until im ready to strain it through a coffee filter (I used cotton T-Shirt first to make this)

I used 30x Nurofen Plus Pills for that (200mg ibuprofen/12.8mg Codeine)


Reason for so much water is I started with about 120-150ml water, filtered with cotton..

Then I took the hard ibuprofen powder/gunk or whatever, put in glass, mixed with another 100ml water give or take.. Put in freezer, Filtered with cotton again squeezing as much codeine as I possibly could out, then I did that again.. 3rd time was properly unnecessarily but couldn't hurt right? Im just trying to get as much codeine in the water as possible.


Now with that codeine water I have above in the pic, Can I add another 30 tablets in their & repeat the whole process? Therefor doubling the amount of codeine in that water?? Or will I need more water for more codeine?

Thats why im asking about how much codeine can absorb into water..

I mean, despite time & effort, could you get 2000mg of codeine into 300ml of water?? Or is their a certain amount of water you need to hold a certain amount of codeine?? That's all I want to know..

 

[doIhavePotential]

https://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml

look at the solubility chart a few pages down. All you do with more water is concentrate the APAP/ibuprofen, dilute the solution and make a nasty tasting brew.

With about ~30ml I can concentrate 20-30 tablets of Tylenol #1( I am in north america, not the Uk or straya) with good results.It takes me about 5-10 minutes:

I grind 20 tablets to dust in a glass1
add 20-30ml of cold water to the glass1
swirl the mixture to ensure it dissolves(it should be like oatmeal,custard in texture,mud,or very wet beach sand)
I then pour the solution into 2 wet coffee filters that empty into another glass2
sometimes I may need to add a small 5-10 ml of water to be able to get it all out of the glass1 and into glass2
I fold the sides of the filter up like a dumpling, twist and squeeze out the solution into glass2
the solution is fairly clear and can be used orally or plugged

if you want you can wash the remains and use them for the next time you do a CWE I just toss them out.


Yeah you can keep concentrating the solution with multiple washes with tablets. Such as 20 tablets with the same 200ml for 10 batches and make 200ml = 200 tablets worth of CWE's

I would stop worrying about getting 100% of the codeine, CWE gets most of it out and the little that remains is probably like 10-20mg, it is easier to add a few extra tablets than using a lot of water/washing the same remains multiple times. If you keep getting caught up in trying to get all the codeine out you'll end up defeating the purpose of a CWE and that is to keep tylenol/APAP/ibuprofen/asprin ingestion to a minimum. If you dose multiple times in a day and have a lot of APAP/ibuprofen/asprin it adds up over time and can cause problems.

You may want to buy a mortar and pestle for a quicker grinding of the tablets, a small one is cheap and easy to hide.

 

[Halif]

Unless you're in a big hurry, I've found the simplest way in just throwing the whole tablets into room temperature water. They always dissolve, and with few stirs it generally doesn't take more than 10 minutes to have them completely dissolved. The more crushing or grinding you do, the more mess you make and the more likely you are to lose bits and pieces of material on the way. But yes, it's fast and sometimes that IS important.

You seem very keen to get lots of codeine into your mix, but I've found that keeping it simple is the best and safest way to do CWEs and the only real way to end up with a stronger codeine solution is to add more tablets in the first place.

I know some people do second and even third washes and say it has worthwhile effects, but I never bother with that anymore because I don't notice any difference. I tend to think that 90% of what you are going to get, you get on the first try. There's no science behind that percentage, it's just my feeling based on experience.

I've done way too many CWEs and tried just about everything you can think of to make it better or stronger, and in the end I've found that the most simple way is the best and what makes a difference (potentially a big difference), is the time and care you are willing to put into the process. The only tip I've read on here that actually made a noticeable difference to the strength of an extraction without adding anything extra to it, was to dissolve the pills in water (whole, crumbled, crushed, whatever it doesn't matter) and then leave that solution in the fridge for a couple of hours, stirring it gently every now and then.

Sure, you need to plan a few hours ahead, but it does make a difference IME. Simply, I think the extra sitting time allows the codeine which is bound in with the gluggy paracetamol/ibuprofen to come out. THere's no visible difference between when it's first dissolved, and three hours later. But there is a subjective difference in the effect, IME.

EDIT: Just one thing that may be important:

I fold the sides of the filter up like a dumpling, twist and squeeze out the solution

This is not always a safe practice depending on the filter you're using. Squeezing the filter with the waste product in it to get the last but of moisture out can possibly cause the waste product itself to come through. If you squeeze the filter into a third separate glass, have a look at it. Does it look murky? Is there some sediment-like stuff floating in it? If yes, either re-filter it or throw it.

 

[DK-maTTy]

https://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml

look at the solubility chart a few pages down. All you do with more water is concentrate the APAP/ibuprofen, dilute the solution and make a nasty tasting brew.

With about ~30ml I can concentrate 20-30 tablets of Tylenol #1( I am in north america, not the Uk or straya) with good results.It takes me about 5-10 minutes:

I grind 20 tablets to dust in a glass1
add 20-30ml of cold water to the glass1
swirl the mixture to ensure it dissolves(it should be like oatmeal,custard in texture,mud,or very wet beach sand)
I then pour the solution into 2 wet coffee filters that empty into another glass2
sometimes I may need to add a small 5-10 ml of water to be able to get it all out of the glass1 and into glass2
I fold the sides of the filter up like a dumpling, twist and squeeze out the solution into glass2
the solution is fairly clear and can be used orally or plugged

if you want you can wash the remains and use them for the next time you do a CWE I just toss them out.


Yeah you can keep concentrating the solution with multiple washes with tablets. Such as 20 tablets with the same 200ml for 10 batches and make 200ml = 200 tablets worth of CWE's

I would stop worrying about getting 100% of the codeine, CWE gets most of it out and the little that remains is probably like 10-20mg, it is easier to add a few extra tablets than using a lot of water/washing the same remains multiple times. If you keep getting caught up in trying to get all the codeine out you'll end up defeating the purpose of a CWE and that is to keep tylenol/APAP/ibuprofen/asprin ingestion to a minimum. If you dose multiple times in a day and have a lot of APAP/ibuprofen/asprin it adds up over time and can cause problems.

You may want to buy a mortar and pestle for a quicker grinding of the tablets, a small one is cheap and easy to hide.

I Solute you, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! After creating 3 or 4 threads on different forums, NOBODY has answered my question about concentrating solutions! I just wanted a simple answer & you gave me just that! I couldn't thank you enough mate! Now I can just make a highly concentrated 600ml solution for a family get away & not need to worry about doing CWE while sharing a hotel room with my younger sister, I can just take a bottle of cordial on the plane & drink a mouth full or two when ever necessary We're not leaving the country so im 99% sure their will be no problem..

Do you think its worth squeezing the coffee filter & or cotton filter once all the liquid has dripped through? Because I read that this is where/how you get the majority of your codeine, so squeezing is a must. That's why I figured re doing the whole process would be worth while, im not necessarily seeking 100% of my codeine in my final mix (Not that I'd complain if I could) However if im only get 50 or 60% of the codeine from one extraction, I think I'd take the extra time, effort or do what I must to try & reach around the 80% mark at least.

Doing it daily I'd just hate to be wasting hundreds of mg's of codeine considering its costing me quite a fair amount of money, So any tips to improve the percentage or make it more potent in any way would be well worth the effort for me.

 

[DK-maTTy]

Should I be using a new cotton T-shirt after every CWE strain? Because last night while using APAP pills I got a cloudy final product which had NEVER happened before with APAP

The only things I can think of is

A) I squeezed the cotton shirts too much over too many CWE so now it stretched allowing APAP to filter through.. (30 pill mix)

B) I only used about 100ml water as opposed to my usual 300-400ml water (For 30 pill mix)

 

[DK-maTTy]

https://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml

look at the solubility chart a few pages down. All you do with more water is concentrate the APAP/ibuprofen, dilute the solution and make a nasty tasting brew.

With about ~30ml I can concentrate 20-30 tablets of Tylenol #1( I am in north america, not the Uk or straya) with good results.It takes me about 5-10 minutes:

I grind 20 tablets to dust in a glass1
add 20-30ml of cold water to the glass1
swirl the mixture to ensure it dissolves(it should be like oatmeal,custard in texture,mud,or very wet beach sand)
I then pour the solution into 2 wet coffee filters that empty into another glass2
sometimes I may need to add a small 5-10 ml of water to be able to get it all out of the glass1 and into glass2
I fold the sides of the filter up like a dumpling, twist and squeeze out the solution into glass2
the solution is fairly clear and can be used orally or plugged

if you want you can wash the remains and use them for the next time you do a CWE I just toss them out.


Yeah you can keep concentrating the solution with multiple washes with tablets. Such as 20 tablets with the same 200ml for 10 batches and make 200ml = 200 tablets worth of CWE's

I would stop worrying about getting 100% of the codeine, CWE gets most of it out and the little that remains is probably like 10-20mg, it is easier to add a few extra tablets than using a lot of water/washing the same remains multiple times. If you keep getting caught up in trying to get all the codeine out you'll end up defeating the purpose of a CWE and that is to keep tylenol/APAP/ibuprofen/asprin ingestion to a minimum. If you dose multiple times in a day and have a lot of APAP/ibuprofen/asprin it adds up over time and can cause problems.

You may want to buy a mortar and pestle for a quicker grinding of the tablets, a small one is cheap and easy to hide.

That chart does not contain ibuprofen solubility..

 

[doIhavePotential]

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...dub)-Megathread-third-time-s-the-charm/page25

try that thread for anymore questions


@halif My solution is basically clear, no sediments or anything like that. I use two filters so that it doesn't rip. Sometimes it may be a bit cloudy depending on the brand, when allowed to settle it may amount to 10mg-50mg? but nothing to be concerned about, if one wishes they can make it clear by filtering through a 2ply tissue.