Codeine and CWE Megathread - The long awaited!

[Mr Blonde]

^ This is correct; best way to liver is via the stomach.

 

[psytaco]

Got to disagree. i finding plugging works fine. quicker hit, and you get more of a rush, plus a bit more of a nod.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ How much liquid do you use when you plug? What doses? I've seen people post about it before as I mentioned on the page before this one... if I remember correctly, I think the mod jamshyd [sic] was a fan of plugging codeine.

 

[Nozphexezora]

Unfortunately I've spent all of my money within 2 days, so I can't exactly taper unless I sell something.

 

[SpiritFolk]

I gotta say I have not plugged a CWE before, as I have always thought codeine to go down that hatch, but if it takes away the paranoia from the gut ache i sometimes get, and get me on the nod I might give it a go... something to ponder.... syringe of CWE up my anus.... hmmmmm.....

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Gut ache or nausea? I think the nausea is inherent to the codeine, I don't get it too bad until I smoke a lot of cigarettes. Pain though? I don't get that apart from gagging a lot while drinking it down.

 

[Nozphexezora]

Yeech, cigarettes make me so sick after an opiate.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ But at the same time so heavenly. :D

 

[SpiritFolk]

when I think about it I get the same gut ache of PST as a CWE but for some reason prefer the PST, as I am so paranoid that when I get the ache of CWE I think 'fuck man ur fucked, u fucked the CWE, now ur liver will pay. With PST my paranoid brain seems to just think 'oh some dirty alkaloids, in this PST. oh well its all natural' and I don't worry as much.

But being a heavy drinker I always think CWE and booze don't mix and don't combo em, but ofr some reason PST i'm worry free even tho I get the same gut ache..

funny how the mind works.... both probably doing me similar damage..

 

[footscrazy]

dont go cold turkey man taper yourself off that way it wont be as hard

I don't think a taper is even necessary with codeine. Even if you use daily the withdrawals are pretty mild. Codeine tapers can help with stronger opiates, but even then, a cwe before bed will help you to sleep, but the half life is short enough that it'll provide you with relief for a couple of hours, but other than that it wont hold you.

With an opiate as mild as codeine, I think going cold turkey is probably the best way, if your aim is to stop using opies. The wd's are pretty easy to deal with and the times I've tapered off codeine, I've felt like I'm prolonging the withdrawal effects for no reason really, when I'm only getting 2-3 hours of relief.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ I jumped off codeine after a year of using and my doses were at about 2 grams. The WD was a pain, but not unbearable. I got through it with some diazepam and rest for the few days of physical symptoms.

Psychological symptoms were the hardest to manage.

 

[footscrazy]

^ I agree. That's why I think if your aim is to stop using, a taper is probably more a hinderance than a help.

I know that I found it hard to stick to a taper, and not use the whole pack or two because it was there. I've done a taper for a couple of weeks, telling myself I'd be sick if I stopped, but really justifying using for a bit longer. For me at least, it's easier for me to quit if I start to dissociate from the whole psychological process of using - buying, extracting, dosing; the physical withdrawals are a lot easier to bear than the psychological craving, and the psychological aspect is easier to overcome when you can cut codeine out of your life completely.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Yep good points; when I was thinking about getting off I was thinking about a taper at first but came to that realization, that it would just continue the cycle of shopping around and acquiring and the like, plus I figured I'd take the risk that the WD would be tolerable and it was.

 

[Nozphexezora]

I haven't had it for two days and it's already killing my back and legs. I don't think it's that harmful though, I'm just a fucking pansy. I'm seriously considering going the easier way out of it, not only because of my drug use, but also because of my lack of social skills (I'll never have a friend), my pseudo artistic talent and constant thoughts about my own mortality.

FYI I've always been on a downward spiral since Grade 3. Sure, I may have a nice roof to live underneath and a car, but they're only material conveniences. I feel as though my real form of expression can only come out in the act of ending my life.

 

[psytaco]

I haven't had it for two days and it's already killing my back and legs. I don't think it's that harmful though, I'm just a fucking pansy. I'm seriously considering going the easier way out of it, not only because of my drug use, but also because of my lack of social skills (I'll never have a friend), my pseudo artistic talent and constant thoughts about my own mortality.

FYI I've always been on a downward spiral since Grade 3. Sure, I may have a nice roof to live underneath and a car, but they're only material conveniences. I feel as though my real form of expression can only come out in the act of ending my life.

Wow. fuck man, don't do that. I'm sure there are alot of people in your life who will miss you. Call life line or if your really on the verge of killing yourself call 000.

I've been where you've been, and I can tell you things often aren't as hopeless as you think they are. You realise this when your thinking a bit more clearly. honestly, my best advice is don't do it. PM if you want to talk.

 

[tyrael]

I thought the codeine was abzorbed into the blood stream and then goes through the liver where its converted into morphine?also i thought i read somwhere that codeine can be used any way besides smokiing snorting and IV'ing.Please somone correct me if i am wrong

also i should only be puttin 40-60ml of water up me bum bum but yeah even thats too much,i just chuged it with 10mg valium n it did the trick

Apologie has I have just quickly skimread over Sus' and M_B's post (tbh depending on topic I will read the ones in the know - said people - and then if I have time re-read the other).

As they have stated, althought I'd would like to explain it in more dot form which may help your understanding.

1. Codeine doesn't actually have to be proccessed through the first pass mechanism. However metabolmising it this way does give the highest (first or second to IM. M_B maybe able to correct me on this one) biao-avaiainlity and, in layments term, your best "band for your buck"! This itself, it alway ("very often") taken to the extreme whereby you don't see (or the chances area really quite low) that a doctor will prescirve a patiant codeine by way of any other modaility other then PO. And there's all, amany, many sort of reasosn why they donn't do this - too many reaooy list coheriently here.

2. Codeine cannot, and is never smoked. The codeine molecule iself has a rather low survival temperature. And to place a lighter close enough to the codeine salts it will destroy the molecrule (for which I am 99% sure this is also the case for codeine freeback if for some a billion to one chance, luck, the gods are shining on you and you happen to come across freebase codeine. more or less sure same rulse apply)..

4. Codeine itself, again, is never IV's - now I'm not saying people dont do it. But anyone within the medical profresssion or for that matter I should hope anyone who knows even imitermmedicate level (codeine) pharamacology and/or viriology/immunlogy should have a basic enough undertand why coeieien is never administered via IV. IM on the matter is completely and is quite commonly administrated this way.

And finally 5. (and these's a more personal choice influenced by experience still and honestly, with no regard to any kind of judgement ssince I'e been!...... more then once! .....). I personally find IR diazepam not any more efficicaious nor a faster onset the PO (orally), afaik diazepam's BA is pretty much in the mid to high 90's PO anway, ya can't really improve on that any more. My personal advice, just drop them (swollow) or even more so subling (sub-ligual so basically just hold it under tounge for more or less however long you can. Having said that, as one could generalise to say that most drugs using an IR ROA the onset generally is quick, and does hit harder.....each to their own!


In term of intra-rectrial (IR) administration, unless the medical specifically calls for that odaility there really isn't too many extra benefits that way. Again, not saying it isn't used but from my experiences, well, yeah lol

 

[tyrael]

I personally disagree with you on a few things you've said here;

I don't think a taper is even necessary with codeine. Even if you use daily the withdrawals are pretty mild. Codeine tapers can help with stronger opiates, but even then, a cwe before bed will help you to sleep, but the half life is short enough that it'll provide you with relief for a couple of hours, but other than that it wont hold you.

Firstly, a codeine addiction is no more nor less then any other addiction. It's a very arcasic and decard old assumtion to think of an addiction (whether it "just" codeine, to a sexual addiction to a diaacetylmorphoine addiction). None of these (mentioned or otherwie) are compareable or "basic" (in the theorpies you're implyin regarding codine) nor are they a simple process.

This is most defiintely not the right forum to deevelive my speciifc circumstance, the olders arouund BL who do know what I am, and what I been though, and I can place money I would not be the only, noy the last, to have to cope with an addiction - weeather that "just codeineii" or whether that's somethin in your mind you thing is more "serious".

Regard of the actual cause of the addiction, and pure fact that the activity have reach a point where it has becoe pathologic, it is this which is the prolem! Not (cecessarily the specific cuase - shoping , pokie, drug, etc.). Clearly you being who you are - footscrazy - it is safe to assume, and I would dearly hope there is no one magic answer or blullet to fix any poblem (let alon drug/addiction relatved problems). And to be honest I'm quiite surprise the black and white answer you've give regarding recovery from an addiction.


Additedlty, I will stay this beore I end. I would have possibly re-read/interrupted your previous and took a few things to heart. And again, close BL friends when the situtation and it's not apprioate to air on here. so quite easily I could be tkaig things to heart where I maybe shouln't. If so, apologies for this! Having said, I think my arguments apply if I had to sum it completely into a sectene - absoultely regardless of the compulsions, the assoications, the physcholoical cauase that results in the pathological associated behaviours, outt to be resolved.



Please, please footscray do not take offence to this link (since I think lol I may have understand the extrent of your knowledge) however a nice brushup never done anyone harm!


Thank you again OP and footscray

With an opiate as mild as codeine, I think going cold turkey is probably the best way, if your aim is to stop using opies. The wd's are pretty easy to deal with and the times I've tapered off codeine, I've felt like I'm prolonging the withdrawal effects for no reason really, when I'm only getting 2-3 hours of relief.

And now to the actual OP's question - I'm half, half. I personally thing you haven't given us in th OP enough info to really even give help, educated guess? No?

Additionally by "us" I include also people M_B, footscray, Sus and the like - these people have been around on BL a long and have not only situtation like this on BL but more then likey it in their own personal lives.

Do not go "cold turkey" (never liked that saying for some reason lol).I would suggest you look at yourself, your life, you job/profession, your familly, your social life (and these really are just to a mini few) and (and again apology possibly over-simplying the situation since no addiction "light hearted") and basicallly. if you are able to look are your, absolutely regardles of what other may say since it. is. your. life. and if you feel your opiate/drug usuage (be that codeine all the way up to fenanyl) is interferring in any aspect of your life and is preventing you living either the way you want to. Ie;

1, the kind of life you wish you were or should be living at time point inf your life - then, clearly to a certain degree , your usage and the extent of your usuage is preventing you living the life feel like you be. And hence, is causing damang.

and/or 2. the usuage is effect you no so much a physical sense (as per numner 1) but more so emotionally/socially/sexually/or even to the point where you're just happy with who you are as a person on inside.

Now doesn't get me wrong. I could quite mistake on all the fronts I've mention. Howverm the things I have said - haven't been pull out my ass - they've come personal experience, to see my best mates from "Oh, just 1 pil a month will do" to being forefully detained into Glynside, and then ever stop inbeween.

 

[tyrael]

Yes, but it died down. Now I can hardly feel a high. I don't think this stuff is worth it any more, I should probably go back to sobriety.It's been 2 months since I've been sober for over a week now, so I hope it's not too hard.

(not sure if you are actually are one specific answer however) The answer to this is based on too, too, many variables to make your mind at rest.

As I think M_B pointed out (I haven't had a change to completely, throughly read and anylise every post just yet - darn Uni!) howver I'm sure a few of the most common and variabilites which (unforunately.....don't we hate getting old) enventually begin to present themselves.

If you haven't reallly been given any satisfactoy answer, give me a buzz with all ya info and I'll see what I can do

 

[tyrael]

Additionnally, just cherpying without reading the whole pages in detail, efficicty must quite a large rule in the said to drug. Another effect which one must just keep in the back their mind the "type" (sorry, "type" is a the wrong word, my minds not straight right this seconds) For instance, it is an allosteric? This alone may cause (face value) unexpected results. No?

^ Ranitidine is a CYP2D6 inhibitor, so will inhibit conversion of codeine to morphine. To what extent, I do not know.



The reason for that is because drug_mentor once made an excellent thread on the topic that was closed down when codeine discussion was closed down last year. I'm going to dig it up and either add it to this thread or do something with it because there was some great information in there.

Regarding the dead link for the filter papers: I'll check that link out then add it in.

 

[psytaco]

tyreal:

a rant of epic proportions.

Mr Blonde: plugging doseage was whatever happens to be the codeine content of a 30 pack of panofen plus. The less water used the better. I use a 5ml rig, so it requires mulitple administrations.