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Codeine (153.6mg ingested incrementally) -- Second time -- Just sweet, sweet codeine.

Cpt.Caveman

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Just sweet sweet Codeine (153.6mg ingested incrementally)

I have tried all sorts of drugs and my only experience with opiates/codeine was having two Panadiene Forte tablets (60mg codeine) on one occasion when I had razors down my throat (not really, just a fucking sore throat). From what I had read about codeine and the nice effects I got from the Panadeine Forte it made me curious.

History- I had been out on some strong pills three nights before and two nights before had smoked some weed. I had a large panic attack when I was on the pills which was just a combination of built up stress and a very strong come up (for reference later in the trip report). Anyway, the trip:

To cut a long story short I was sick with a sore throat and decided to ease the pain...with style.

Obtained one small packet of Nurofen + tablets, split them in half from the side of the tablet (not the top) and kept only the "N +" side and discarded the blank sides. There was a clear difference in one side being concave and the other convex. I can never remember which one is which but I had the "N +" sides so that was all that mattered (hint hint for harm reduction). I could quite easily rub off the remaining Iburofen (spelling ?) flakes from the "N +" codeine side to make everything perfect (If you ingest too much Iburofen you can put yourself in hospital so don't try munching whole pills)

Each tablet contains 12.8mg of codeine and I had 12 to play with (total codeine = 153.6mg)

11:00 Ingest two whole (unbroken) tablets to start off with. I had to cure my pain so I thought I would start with some good old fashioned full Nurofen + pills.
(Codeine count = 25.6mg)

11:20 Start to feel a little bit different, only a very subtle change. Time for some pure codeine. Ingested 4 "N +" broken tablets. Was very careful not to eat the blank side. Sore throat is gone by the way.
(Codeine count = 76.8mg)

11:45 "Mmmmmmmm....." If you could imagine the face of someone who is wrapped up in 2 thick blankets on a winters day with a subtle body buzz of an incy wincy orgasm and some euphoria to boot, then you would have me spot on. I wandered around the house humming to myself trying to find something to entertain myself with. Bored with all my movies I sat at the computer reading this and that feeling nice and cozy. The feeling quite resembled having two Panadeine Forte tablets. Was having fun with the effects but it was still subtle in my opinion. By this time I was quite confident I was not going to get any bad side effects so I ingested another 4 "N +" side broken tablets.
(Codeine count = 128mg)

12:15 "Ooooooh baby". More humming and cozyness only to a point where the euphoria would definately effect any motor skills this time. A huge warmth filled my whole body and my skin felt a little funny to the touch, almost like it was numb or tender but not so, hard to explain. The body buzz was extremely nice, slightly intensified from my last check in. I was walking around the house with an invisible warm blanket and an imaginy full body massage (Imagine the face again). Got a hunger similar to munchies on weed so I ate a bowl of tortellini, yum. I decided to sit down and play a driving game on my xbox, bad move, we'll get to that later. In comes Mum to use the computer, bad setting, we'll also get to that later. Feeling pretty good, Ingest two more "N +" side broken tablets.
(Codeine count = 153.6mg)

12:45 Sings the pink song "I think I took too much". Hello side effects: Nausea, itching of the skin, a dry rash forming behind my knees, the onset of a panic attack, perception a little funny like I was drunk, sleepy and trying to stay awake. Oh the fun. Tried to drink some water to start the flushing out of the chemicals in my system but the water wanted to come back up. Tried to sit and watch some TV but could not concentrate on it properly and every channel was irritating me. Had to keep it to myself because I didn't want to break it to my Mum that I'm full of codeine. "Arg, not having fun, just try to relax. You're having stress leaving your system just like on the weekend and you just need to let it work its way out". Almost wreched. Started to feel very sleepy so I thought a bit of a nap might be good to sleep off the effects. Unfortunately, every time I would close my eyes I would get head spins like when you're trying to sleep when you're too drunk. This was not good so I sat up straight and decided to ride it out.

1:00 The short lie down was making me feel better already. Mum left the room and I instantly felt a bit better again. The effects weren't so draining and the anxiety was halved. Back to enjoying myself. I had fiqured out why I was having a panic attack, because I was off my face on codeine with an unsuspecting mother in the room and I was full of adrenilaine from concentrating hard at the driving game. Just went back to watching TV.

3:00 Was feeling closer to normal, similar effects now to 76.8mg of codeine and just feeling a little bit sleepy. Went to the shops for some groceries and banking. Walked into the wrong bank for a start and had the teller person tell me this when I tried to make a deposit but it was all good, still pretty euphoric and nice and warm. Floated off.

4:00 Back home and feeling just about normal. All my energy back and a slight feeling like a had just snapped out of being stoned. The feeling where you're not sure of what happened for the last few hours but you can remember snippets. Back to normal day to day stuff and still no sore throat (If I DID have one then the whole trip would have been pretty useless wouldn't it =D ).

All in all I thought codeine was quite a nice buzz at 128mg but I think the side effects definately out weighed the fun at 153.6mg. It could have been all due to the panic attack I was experiencing from built up stress leaving my system just as it had happened a few nights before on pills. I'm sure being off your head on any drug while around a family member is enough to constitute a panic attack so I will put it down to set and setting. Will hopefully be able to try codeine again next time in a relaxed friendly environment where there aren't lifestyle police wandering around.

A word for the kids: If you want to try codeine, read up as much as you can on it. Do not think that eating a whole box of pain killers with codeine in them will make you warm and cozy, it will probably make you sore, sorry and in hospital care. Nurofen + is quite a safe way of making sure you only have codeine by breaking the pill in half from the side and only eating the side with "N +" printed on it. There is a simple cold water extraction which you can do, go read about it if you want to be a little drug lab chemist (it doesn't seem that hard to do).

All in all for the codeine experience, quite nice and subtle. It was fun because I was a little bit sick and knew I would be sitting around at home doing very little and welcoming some cozy company. My girlfriend lives 200k's away so this did the trick nicely. ;)

8o
 
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I dunno whether it's just in Ireland but Nurofen Plus tabs aren't two colours anymore where I live :( But nice report, reminds me of my own codeine experiences... I feel a headache coming on, might have to pick me up some Nurofens :)

By the way, about the itching and other side effects, take a motillium and some antihistamines if they annoy you that much. I always take motillium when I'm in for a bumpy ride.
 
Ah thanks dolphin, sorry, forgot about that important part of the guidelines.

The Nurofen + tablets I had were white and you don't split them in half as if you were splitting an ecstacy tablet, you turn them on their side and split it down the full length of the tablet if you get what I mean. The side with "N +" should not be looking up at you while you are splitting it, it should be on the side.

Anyway, theres plenty of info on how to do it here.
 
just to let you know those tabs have 12.8 MG of codeine in them, not grams. you would have killed yourself taking 150+ grams of codeine. that'd would have been over 10,000 of those pills you took
 
I used to get really pissed off with the itchiness that comes with opiate use, until one strange night when I was smoking weed and I got this strange external vision of myself, looking like this crazy mad junkie curled in a ball on the floor itching and sniffing. Ever since then I just giggle at the thought when I scratch now. Ah well :)

And how weird is it to discover that the inner warmth opiate use brings can substitute quite nicely for a loved one? You think that feeling can never be faked, and then *woah*...
 
Thanks for the report! I recently had some codeine (N+ 48 pack dissolved in water, codeine extracted) and I got these effects basically, maybe a little less and have no opiate tolerance. OK.. so I am just jealous because I am naturally tolerant to opiates, since 600~mg of codeine would nail some people with bad effects im sure (i did get a fair bit of very shallow breathing and not giving a fuck), but I must say, there is something different about codeine to other drugs. It is a very subtle drug, but, it has a weird feel to it, no other opiates have, and can even be a bit trippy.
 
Honestly, I enjoy Codeine more than Hydrocodone and Oxycodone anymore. I love it's hallucinogenic effects and its dream-like quality.
 
There's something about the preparation methods that I really enjoy too, be it getting a knife to slowly scrape a line down the width of the N+ tablet and gently pushing the two halves apart, or scraping off the coating of my 40oc ever so carefully...the whole delicacy and concern you put into it's preparation makes it that much more satisfactory when the effects slowly start to come on, and you're sitting there going "aaahhh".... :)
 
I heard something about codeine inhibiting CYP2D6.
CYP2D6 is involved in the metabolizing codeine into morphine if im not mistaken.
Which would explain why i heard it was pointless to redose after half an hour...
can anyone back this up
Also when would be a good time to redose, half an hour probably being the worst time to redose but maybe 1.5 hours??
Anyone want to flame me or prove me wrong or whatever go right ahead coz im fairly uncertain about this...
 
Piper methysticum said:
Honestly, I enjoy Codeine more than Hydrocodone and Oxycodone anymore. I love it's hallucinogenic effects and its dream-like quality.

damn, what kind of codeine are you getting?
 
I try to avoid all drug use when there is the possibility of non-understanding parents wandering in ;)

You've inspired me to put the finishing touches on my own codiene report. I may post in the next few days.
 
Baker said:
I heard something about codeine inhibiting CYP2D6.
CYP2D6 is involved in the metabolizing codeine into morphine if im not mistaken.
Which would explain why i heard it was pointless to redose after half an hour...
can anyone back this up
Also when would be a good time to redose, half an hour probably being the worst time to redose but maybe 1.5 hours??
Anyone want to flame me or prove me wrong or whatever go right ahead coz im fairly uncertain about this...

You're quite right! Taken from Erowid's Codeine Vault :

CYP2D6
The body converts codeine into morphine (~10%) by using the so called P450 cytochrome pathway, especially cytochrome 2d6 (cyp2d6). Unfortunately, cyp2d6 is missing in about 7% of the white population, and its manifestation is quite variable in the rest. Individuals who inherited a cyp2d6 deficiency will get many of the adverse effects associated with codeine but little euphoria. If codeine just doesn't work for you, this may be why.

Some drugs also interfere with cyp2d6. Prime among these are the SSRIs, with the exception of Zoloft (if I remember correctly). The most potent inhibitor is paroxetine (paxil), followed by fluoxetine (prozac). If you are taking an SSRI, you will probably experience a markedly decreased euphoria when using codeine. (Paxil has a half life of only 24hrs, so not taking it for a few days will do miracles; the half life of prozac is 7 days.)

Finally, codeine itself is a cyp2d6 inhibitor. This means that taking the whole dose as quickly as possible will probably give you the biggest high (ie. its a waste to redose in 30 mins).

I've always found worse cases of nausia with redosing too, so it's nice to discover this.
 
Incidentally, Nurofen Plus is actually a really good pain killer. The fact that Codeine is available without prescription is very useful for actually killing pain (as opposed to getting high).

Not that theres anything wrong with getting high...
 
More Info Please.

I'm extremely interested in this Procedure.

So the Nurofen + tablets should be split down the middle like below: Cutting across the tablet.

N+1
(- - - - - - )

And only the N+1 side should be ingested ?

So would 3x N+1 side ingested should give enough effect to ensure you had to correct chemical (codeine) and not the Iburofen? - To start with?

Would this be correct?

Is is cut down the middle with an extremely sharp razor?

Is the N+1 very visable?

Once the cut has been made, do u need to scrap away an excess Iburofen? - Is there a way to tell the difference between the codeine and Iburofen?

Thanks.

shals :D
 
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