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cocaine quality: cut vs. level of synthesis

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I'm not sure if this was asked before, but...
I think it's safe to say that most coke has, atleast, some percentage of cut in it.
However, if all of the cut was filtered out of all of the cocaine in the world, would we end up with equal quality across the board (regardless of amount)?
Simply, does a better chemist synthesize higher quality cocaine? Or is the quality dependant soley on amount of cut?
I'm inclined to believe the former, but I've never been very good at chemistry. Actually, it's probably a combination of both, because of different qualities one can find at, sort of comparable 'levels':
you know, jaw clenching, headache causing, very physical coke, the more euphoric, less physically taxing coke, etc.
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Cocaine CAN bee synthesized. I've always wondered why LSD is manufactured and cocaine is not. Cocaine synth seems to be a little easier than LSD. It would certainly be more profitable and that's what it's all about.
 
'kay, I meant, extracted. I forgot that cocaine 'naturally occured) in another form. (ie the cocoa leaf)
But is higher quality (better) coke yeilded from a better (more efficient) extraction?
 
Well a less efficient extraction would do one of two things: 1) it would yeild less. More of the alkaloids would be left in the plant material or 2) it would not only extract cocaine from the plant but it would also extract some junk that would make the product less pure. <--apply that to any extraction not just cocaine.
Anyway, in the first case the quality wouldnt be effected but the quantity would. In the second case the quality would definately suffer.
There's no rookies doing this though. Whatever problems there seems to be with quality can most likely be blamed on storage problems and/or it;s getting cut way too much especially at the street dealer level where there are few professionals if any at all.
 
I'm sure a lot of cocaine producers are more interested in being time/ease/money efficient than being quality efficient. That would mean more crude extractions using moe readily available or cheaper chemicals and less care of the product. Like you said, Ford, it wouldn't suprise me at all if they just batched it, bagged and tossed it around leaving it wherever. Then during the transportation, it's definantly going to be in a really hot environment.
I'm inclined to assume all of this because from what I've used, different batches gave somewhat different effects and I do not for a second believe that it's just because of the different cuts used.
Another interesting tidbit, though. A few months ago the Washington Post, there was an article printed about growing drug problems in countries like Peru, Columbia and Brazil themselves. Instead of the problem just being the production and exportation of drugs, now more than ever their citizens are starting to use at explosive rates. But it said that most of the cocaine that goes around the cities there, particularly in Brazil, the cocaine is most frequently very low quality and Asprin is the most common cut. I couldn't figure it out because you'd think that the prices for DOMESTIC cocaine would be rock bottom cheap and there would be no need to cut the coke that much, particularly with Asprin.
 
The processing of cocaine (well, processing is the best term) can vary greatly.. it's easy to go from coca-leaves to cocaine paste, as it can be done in a garbage can using no special chemicals (ie shit you could order by the metric ton without raising an eyebrow) .. so for the most part, everyone will harvest their plants and workup their cocaine paste in the same manor, yeiding a product thats all about the same ...
But cocaine paste isn't very usefull, so it must be converted to a base - this is a bit more tricky and requires some skill, and equiptment - forthe most part, the chemicals needed are not horribly dangerous, costly, or controlled.. so while everyone may start with similar quality cocaine paste, many 'base labs' will yeild a product that isn't as good as others...
But cocaine base STILL isn't the desired product, so it must be converted to the HCl salt.. this requires some expensive equiptment, more skill, and some harder to find and expensive chemicals - the big boys have no problem cranking out a good product, but some of the smaller, less experienced and poorly funded groups yeild a product filled with contaminates of a poor quality..
I guess the short answer is that yes, like most any drug, the quality of the finished (raw) product depends on the skill and resources of those that create it... cocaine is actually on the 'not too difficult' end of the spectrum, but this doesn't mean any moron can yeild something of the quality a huge cartel can...
That answer your question?
BTW, there are a number of alternative routes, then there is totally synthetic cocaine which I wont even get into...
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Yes, thanks, PhreeX
As for the origin of the question...I have some coke that's not that good.
I'm IVing it, and it does produce effects, but the euphoric rush is overshadowed by the physical rush.
I am filtering it, so I was just wondering if, after filtration, the amount wasn't enough to produce the euphoria or (after filtration) it was just shitty coke. You know, due to the method of extraction.
 
The euphoric rush is usually complimented by the physical rush. How mush are you dosing? What's it look like when you dissolve it in water?
 
Depends - people assume that if you add some water to cocaine, the ONLY thing that will disolve is pure coke... the reality is that a LOT of cuts disolve, hell, many are even MORE soulable in water then coke..
If it's shitty quality - don't bang it... it's really that simple.. IV injection shouldn't be taken lightly, don't put crap in your body...
If you DO want a way to get some of the crap out, freebase it, as the cuts are not likely to rock up, only the cocaine...
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
you all talk about freebasing the shit, but, i mean, isn't that a hard alternative. i've read that is is relatively hard to do and dangerous. i dunno, i am just wondering if there is an easy way to do it.
 
Well, AFAIK know, there are two ways - one is a pretty dangerous method using ether (Richard Pryor burned himself in the 80's doing this), and the other method uses baking soda and is pretty straightforward. I've heard you can also freebase cocaine with ammonia, but I'm not quite sure...
I'm not a cocaine user/expert - I've been presented with it, but didn't use any due to the fact I got a tattoo one hour prior.
 
Back in the old days, when ecstasy was legal and cocaine was just the most "glam" thing to do, people were stupid and didn't realize you could freebase with baking-soda.. so ether was used - I searched my old drug textfile library and actually found a how-to guide for making crack using ether:
Mix about 1 g of coke in 10 ml of water in a small vial. Slowly add drops of ammonia to the solution. A white milky precipitate will form. Stop adding ammonia when additional drops no longer result in precipitation. Add 5 ml of ethyl ether, close vial, and shake. The precipitate (freebase) will dissolve in the ether. Siphon off the ether with a pipette (ether and water don't mix), and slowly drip it on a plate. As the ether evaporates, white crystals will form. This is the evil freebase. Crush the crystals and put under a heat lamp for at least 24 hrs to let the solvent evaporate.
Now this method isn't used anymore, but thats basically how it was done (I am sure that no one actually used heatlamps though) ..
Today you just use baking soda and water..
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
i hate to be a technical bitch, but i THINK that above method is known as freebase coke.
and when nowadays they use the baking soda method, thats crack coke.
how dangerous is freebase to really make, id think itd be significantly more so than crack cos people make that now whereas freebase is purer.. though i coodnt say how the 2 compared
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Both methods "free" the base from the acid (hence, "free"base) but the word freebase usually does refer to the use of ether. Ether yields a better product with more "bang" for the rock size. Unfortuantly, ether is EXTREMELY flamable so using it for anything other than personal use quantities is not practical (safe). Once the coke dealers figured out the baking soda method the great crack explosion was on!
 
I think a lot of the "PLURrier" folks out there prefer to call it free base because once you smoke crack, you become a "dirty".
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