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Misc cocaine and alcohol harm reduction

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droogz

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So its nearly xmas and I will more than likely be mixing these 2 drugs together (nothing new,lately I only do it once a month though)
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ANy way I want learn some stuff about harm reduction and how I can prevent come downs because my comedowns of cocaine usually last like 3 days:(

ANy way what should I do or buy to protect my nose and prevent hangovers and comedowns ?Also is there any otc products what will help me sleep because after I have had about a gram or 2 my heart will be racing while am trying to sleep and sometimes its still beating slightly fast the next day.

Things I was thinking of
The obvious drink a pint or 2 of water befor bed

A touch of salt in some bottled water and have a few sniffs of it to clear the nose,I usually sniff a bit of water throughout the night any way,seems to work stops it from being crusty and dryy the next day.

I was thinking buy one of the innocent smoothy drinks and try and get that down me before I go to sleep.

Ive herd that opening up vitamin e caps and putting the liquid in your nose is supposed to protect it.Dont know if this is true or not though

Was looking on getting some milk thistle to protect the liver for when I go out drinking in general.

What can I buy to get my head down ?I cant get anything like benzos.I was thinking maybe valrien root.Or what about them Diphenhydramine or I have access to hydroxzine but I dont know if these can be dangerous when mixed with booz and coke.Or should I try some Melatonin or zma?I used to take zma when I was weight lifting and it used to give me a good nights sleep but I dont htink it helped me fall asleep

ANy way I get a bit paranoid about getting holes in my nose and I just want to reduce as much harm as I can when I do drink and take drugs that's why I made this thread.I am also working on boxing day and new years day,so I want to do something so I wont be as fucked the next day
So any help is much appreciated

edit this mite sound a bit weird but to protect the heart is it a good idea for a daily tea drinker to stop drinking tea (have about 8 cups a day) for a few days before he gets on the coke ?

I know it sounds silly as caffien is only a very mild stimulant but still it has an effect on the heart doesn't it
 
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Get yourself a NetiPot and some saline!

I swear by this- its helped me more than any decongestant, nasal spray, or other medication and even cleared up my completely blocked and infected sinus cavities during daily use after I had already lost my septum. I cannot stress how much this will help- and water might be better than nothing but if you are worried about getting a perforation in your nose I would take the time to ensure that you are using saline (or if you want to mix up water/salt yourself its worth using distilled water and use the proper amount of salt to ensure it is isotonic). Anything else can actually further irritate raw tissue and membrane. I used to use a little bit of water before I had any erosion and it did not help at all. One doctor told me it likely contributed but I dont know if that is accurate. I also heard about the vitamine e but have not tried it. Id hesitate to put much up there personally.

Avoid avoid avoid topical decogestant sprays and lay off the Sinutab- for your heart's sake :)

Stay hydrated of course but keep in mind that if you arent eating much, a downpour of water could throw off your electrolytes, which is another added stressor for your heart. Maybe cut back a little on the tea so youre not a jittery caffeinated mess but if you cut it all out you might get a wicked headache!

Hmmm as for sleep, Im not sure it really keeps me awake since Ive pretty much always used right before Ive slept, however Ive had brutal insomnia since I was 15, long before I even knew what cocaine was so Im not sure if this is normal.If you find it keeps you up, can you cut yourself off a couple hours or so before you want to sleep? Eating a high fat meal is often helpful as well, if you can handle that.

Lastly with the alchohol be sure not to drink so much or mixing stuff so that you end up puking cuz.... again, that'd be harder on your heart!
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I wouldn't combine the two to be honest. They kind of kill each other's effects.
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not for me man I get bored when am drunk and feel a bit tired and then take the coke and I feel alot better.Been doing it this way for the last 2 years but am not a heavy user and like I said more recently I hardly drink or sniff coke any more like once every 2-3 weeks.

"Not to mention the increased levels of liver toxicity from the production of cocaethylene. "

I know this but its more fun taking coke on its own makes me feel on edge and makes me craze i more alcohol makes me feel tired and I get bored easy mix the 2 and I feel great.
Nearly every one in my area does this(not saying its right because they do it) except they dont know the risks involved but I do that's why I want to do things to help protect my body a little bit better even if I am only doing drugs once in a blue moon
 
so am thinking just get a saline spray milk thistle zma and Valerian root.The only thing I think could be a waste of time is the Valerian root but who knows I did take it in the form of some anti anxiety herbal sup when I took my driving test for the 3rd time and it seemed to help relax me a bit could of been a placebo though I dont know
 
insanejane I cant send you a pm yet so ILl ask you a question here

HOw much coke did it take to destroy your nose ?
I always get told by my friends to stop being so paranoid because it takes a few years of daily use to fuck it up.
This is from people who have been sniffing for a few years just on the weekends and they dont seem to have any problems at all.
Now with me I can stick my little finger all the way up my left nostrial but not my right which makes me htink there is some damage there but like I said in my thread I only sniff coke these days like once every 3 weeks
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I wouldn't combine the two to be honest. They kind of kill each other's effects.
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Proof that drugs really do effect different people in different ways. Coke and booze enhanced each other's effects for me, just went hand in hand and made for some crazy times.
 
sjsheather said:
Proof that drugs really do effect different people in different ways. Coke and booze enhanced each other's effects for me, just went hand in hand and made for some crazy times.
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Well with me if I have a few lines when am drunk sometimes I will still be messy but it will just keep me a wake and I will start talking more,if I have it before I am drunk then it makes me feel very talkative and alert and I feel as if I cant get very drunk,basically it just takes the edge of the coke
 
droogz said:
not for me man I get bored when am drunk and feel a bit tired and then take the coke and I feel alot better.Been doing it this way for the last 2 years but am not a heavy user and like I said more recently I hardly drink or sniff coke any more like once every 2-3 weeks.

"Not to mention the increased levels of liver toxicity from the production of cocaethylene. "

I know this but its more fun taking coke on its own makes me feel on edge and makes me craze i more alcohol makes me feel tired and I get bored easy mix the 2 and I feel great.
Nearly every one in my area does this(not saying its right because they do it) except they dont know the risks involved but I do that's why I want to do things to help protect my body a little bit better even if I am only doing drugs once in a blue moon
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doesn't cocaethylene have effects all it's own?
 
thats mixing business and pleasure

i kind of look at that like pot and alcohol

when i am super drunk the weed takes over and i become high

but ive never done coke nor will i so i dont know

but yea a nice saline cleanse will clear your mucous membranes
 
droogz said:
insanejane I cant send you a pm yet so ILl ask you a question here

HOw much coke did it take to destroy your nose ?
I always get told by my friends to stop being so paranoid because it takes a few years of daily use to fuck it up.
This is from people who have been sniffing for a few years just on the weekends and they dont seem to have any problems at all.
Now with me I can stick my little finger all the way up my left nostrial but not my right which makes me htink there is some damage there but like I said in my thread I only sniff coke these days like once every 3 weeks
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If you sent me a PM, I couldnt reply anyway ;)

Not very much at all actually. And it happened pretty fast which confused me a lot since I had also read and heard from other users that it takes a several years of heavy use to get an actual perforation, but it hasnt even been 2 full years to this day since I first tried the stuff.

I cant find any real concrete information to qualify this up but I suspect that the quantity used isnt as much of a factor as the frequency because I wasnt a heavy user but I did use everyday without taking a break. I had been using everyday for about 5 months when I first noticed my septum starting to errode and thin out but I didnt stop or slow down and it worsened quickly over the next couple of weeks. By the time I had used for 6 months, I had an actual perforation . In terms of how much, I never really did a full half gram bag in one day but for arguments sake I'll say back then the absolute max i used in a week is an 8 ball. Probably half of that would be more accurate. However, I dont think I really ever had a full 24 hours that I could call a day off.

Unfortunately at that point I figured that it was too late I had already done the worst and that it was pointless/too late to stopp or slow down. I continued using daily and the amount increased. The hole got bigger and bigger to where I now have no remaining trace of a septum whatsoever, and furthermore there is nothing left seperating the turbinates leading to my nasal cavity and directing airflow etc. Soooo yeah, I guess what Im trying to say is its never too late to care about harm reduction!
 
InsaneJane said:
If you sent me a PM, I couldnt reply anyway ;)

Not very much at all actually. And it happened pretty fast which confused me a lot since I had also read and heard from other users that it takes a several years of heavy use to get an actual perforation, but it hasnt even been 2 full years to this day since I first tried the stuff.

I cant find any real concrete information to qualify this up but I suspect that the quantity used isnt as much of a factor as the frequency because I wasnt a heavy user but I did use everyday without taking a break. I had been using everyday for about 5 months when I first noticed my septum starting to errode and thin out but I didnt stop or slow down and it worsened quickly over the next couple of weeks. By the time I had used for 6 months, I had an actual perforation . In terms of how much, I never really did a full half gram bag in one day but for arguments sake I'll say back then the absolute max i used in a week is an 8 ball. Probably half of that would be more accurate. However, I dont think I really ever had a full 24 hours that I could call a day off.

Unfortunately at that point I figured that it was too late I had already done the worst and that it was pointless/too late to stopp or slow down. I continued using daily and the amount increased. The hole got bigger and bigger to where I now have no remaining trace of a septum whatsoever, and furthermore there is nothing left seperating the turbinates leading to my nasal cavity and directing airflow etc. Soooo yeah, I guess what Im trying to say is its never too late to care about harm reduction!
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fuckin hell thats hardly fuck all that.when I go out I probably have about 5 bumps of cocaine which end up being like 600mg of coke.Most of my friends go through about 2 and a half grams every friday one of them alot more and he sniffs every friday and saturday always mixes with ale.
I have noticed that my nostrils are bigger and I think my septum is a bit thinner think I mite make boxing day the last night on the coke but its hard not to get on it because when I get drunk the friends am with get on it every time they have a drink without fail


edit-if your septum has went a bit thinner can it grow back after a long break of a good few months or even years of the coke ?
 
Yeah, appearantly the septum can regenerate if its still intact but a perforation is considered irreversable. Im not sure if this is variable at all or of any timeline involved though.
 
something else I have herd on another forum what is supposed to be a better way to take coke is by putting it in a syringe or spray bottle with some distled water,that way the coke crystals and the crap dont get stuck in the membranes of nose or something.DOnt know if its true but it seems to make sense

InsaneJane do you know how good the quality of your coke is because I recon your nose gets fucked up mainly of the cuts rather than the coke its self.

ABout 2 years ago one of my old friends used to get a bit of flake and sell it so he would get like an 8th free.Well he used to cut it around 50/50 with benzocaine but the benzo was also cut wit caffeine lol ,we think it was because when ever it was cut with that we would have a jittery high.
Any way even though I rinse my nose out a bit more these days than back then my nose used to be proper fucked for about a week like I would have a blocked nose and all dry crust around it for days.With the stuff I have gotten lately it goes up fine and from what I have been told hey only stick around 3 grams to an oz of flake and I think they use lactose.
 
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droogz, I havnt gotten anything that id say is particularly terrible or thats been cut with anything comparatively more harmful than the usual out there that anyone gets. I have gotten a few theories from my doctor about why I might have had so much deterioration happen so quickly. One is that I obsessively tried to clean my nose out with water, another is that a dental infection I had played a role, and lastly that I already had chronicly nutritionally deprived my body for so long from my eating disorder and physcally comprimised my body so much that it has transcended shutting down organs and started cannobolizing extremities in order to conserve energy LOL

So maybe some kind of combination of all those?

Oh and I also heard about using a liquid solution but Im not sure it helped...
 
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