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Last friday night I went to a trip hop concert and bought myself two beans for the show.

I had rolled the week before on two pills and had one of the best drug experiences of my young life, so I was excited to roll again, but I knew it probably wouldn't be as good, but I was ok with that.

Anyway, I was in quite an irritable mood when I managed to escape dinner and head to my friends, where I dropped my first at 930. By about 11 I knew I was rolling in the peak, and it felt good, but not as revelationary as the week before.

Luckily, I had a second one. I munched it at about 12, and went to dance. I found the music groovy, but couldn't find the energy, even though I was starting to roll quite hard, to really get into it without feeling self-conscious and kind of deflated. I went to enjoy the music to the side of the stage, and it was great, but I didn't feel that connection molly gives to music, I felt like I was dancing more from peer pressure.

By the time we got back to my friends car to smoke some bongs, it was about 2, and I was probably peaking the hardest. I had the physical effects clearly which I know and love; warmth and euphoria through my body...rubbing my face felt absolutely fantastic...eye wobbles...smacked out...don't want to move...etc. etc.

But I felt almost NO empathy, and NO genuine desire for openness and communication. Where the week before my experience had been almost mystical because of the amount of empathy and love I felt, in that moment, I kind of wanted to be alone and introverted. Do you think this had a lot to do with the closeness of my trips to eachother and / or expectations?

Around 230 I smoked a massive bong of very strong dank - this practically knocked me onto the floor where I lay rolling around for a while, almost trapped in my head, not wanting to communicate outward. (But still enjoying the physical effects greatly =D )

Has anyone had a similar experience with very introspective mdma trips?

p.s. I wouldn't describe it as being a "bad" trip, but I was definitely a little dissapointed afterwards! ...Also because everyone else who was rolling seemed to be beaming with empathy like I was the week before but I just couldn't connect with them (and they roll pretty much on a weekly basis.)
 
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Serotonin is the basically the chemical responsible for the magic of MDMA, you say you rolled only last week, well there is your answer.

Last week you probably released higher amounts of serotonin, and your dosing again without the proper time for your brain to recover it led to a loss of the magic. If you dont want your rolls to be like that for the rest of your life, I would recommend taking at least 3 months off, then only roll once a month max

The longer you wait in between rolls, the better they will be.
 
Last roll at a festival I had no empathy as well, I had waited 3 months between that dose and my tolerance has always been low
Was a bit disappointing but still had a good time (not as good as it could've been)

Its been 6 months since I last touched mdma, ill probably be waiting a couple more, I really want that empathy back :p
 
I found the music groovy, but couldn't find the energy, even though I was starting to roll quite hard
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No surprise as you skipped dinner


If you always want to experience the amazing empathy and euphoria that mdma is supposed to give, you need to wait minimum of 30 days up to 90 days before taking more.
You can not take it every week, every 2 weeks and you shouldn't even really be taking it every month.

I started off by not knowing there was any sort of time limit you should wait but then after taking mdma 3 times in a month, it felt like it was missing something when i took it. I was really gutted.

So then i was searching online and i found bluelight, and since then, i started to wait 30 days, but last time i took 100mg and i had waited 63 days.
I guarantee you, if me and you was to take 100mg I would have such an amazing time.

MDMA mostly releases serotonin, but it does affect over neurochemicals in the brain. This will give you a rough idea:
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_03/i_03_m/i_03_m_par/i_03_m_par_ecstasy.html

So, you need to give your serotonin a chance to replenish.
Serotonin also heavily influences our moods, appetite, energy levels, concentration levels, quality of sleep, ability to fall asleep.

So my top advice if you want 'the magic' of mdma to return, as well as lessening chance of side effects from mdma use is:

- Test your mdma with reagent test kits (for safety and a great experience)
- Wait 60 days between taking mdma. (40 does well, but you need to wait 60 because you've been using it quite a lot)
- Eat high in L-Tryptophan foods (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/entries/...equire-lower-dose-and-lessen-have-no-comedown.)
- Get sunlight everyday
- Exercise, whether it be light, intense, Just do some.
 
Rolling on two successive weekends means that your serotonin levels could not recover. Do this much more and you will more or less permanently lose the magic. Take a break of a couple of months before rolling again.
 
Set and setting has so much to do with how powerful the MDMA feels in my experience.
A great situation can make a weak roll appear strong, and a more mellow situation can make a good roll seem weak.
MDMA doesnt always give me empathy either. Sometimes things just get in the way. Vibes, whatever.
 
^ Thanks for that response, I was just wondering if anyone felt the set and setting to be as important as I do...

And i'm a week in to my 6 week break so far...don't want to lose that magic... <3
 
if u dont mind me asking, what pills were they? if they had mda in them, u wont have as much empathy as an mdma pill. When im floored on mda, i dont wanna talk to anyone i just wanna enjoy the roll all by myself. not really wanting to communicate with anyone at all.
 
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Set and setting has so much to do with how powerful the MDMA feels in my experience.
A great situation can make a weak roll appear strong, and a more mellow situation can make a good roll seem weak.
MDMA doesnt always give me empathy either. Sometimes things just get in the way. Vibes, whatever.
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GREAT username. :)
 
chitown rollin said:
GREAT username. :)
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Thanks! :) I like the Original Poster's as well :)

I think my recent experiences kind of pertain to this thread.....It was different.
Havent rolled in awhile, like a couple months.
Went to a 2 night event, got a fresh G of trusted, dropped my usual 150 or so, and did not feel a huge rush.
I was with hundreds of people that I love, seeing my favorite band at my fav venue. I was fucking high as shit naturally. You think that adding MDMA to that, normally it does, make the whole night just explode! But it didnt....I didnt even really feel it much. Did not redose, just ate some shrooms and drank some beer instead.
Fast forward to a week later....I shared most of my G but had a little left so I decide to share it with my buddy at a local trip hoppy show.
I guess I dosed about 80 mg max.....I was not around hundreds of people I loved, and the music wasnt my fave (it was good, though!) but HOLY SHIT....I RUSHED HARD off of that little!! What the.....???

Usually its the opposite for me, but not this time

Maybe all of the great stuff at the bigger show distracted me from my high? I dont know, I am starting to think it has something to do with the vitamins in your body at the time you eat it or whats in your stomach or something like that.....After years of doing it it can still be fickle sometimes.
 
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