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RCs Clonazolam (Clonitrazolam)

THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Before even bothering making an account, you should lurkmoar and read this thread, this question has been asked 100 000 times and i'm sick of Thunderbird telling me another of of these questions has been posted in a thread I'm subscribed to. You noobs will make me unsubscribe from all threads goddamnit. I've seen questions answered on the same page where the same question appears again, meaning that the same q&a could happen even 4 times in the same page.
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I did read the thread. It's quite long now and you have to expect it will be asked more than once in the thread, so instead of being pissy about it and telling me to go away you could just answer my question in even less time than it took you to write up that response.

What is the dosage comparison of Clonazolam to Alprazolam? 0.5mg Clonaz = How much Alpraz?
 
First post, but have been researching this thread for awhile - great information.

I have gotten myself into a stupid position and will admit I am an addict. To start off I was addicted to heroin for about a year and was able to get clean from it about two months ago. I used Lyrica and Xanax during the opiate WD period. After the initial acute opiate WD phase was over, I stopped the Xanax but continued the Lyrica as I enjoyed the high and was not aware of the dependency issues associated with it. My Lyrica dosage was quite insane, in doing any where from 600mg-2000mg daily for about five weeks straight. Eventually my source dried up and I was forced to cold turkey the Lyrica, but to be honest I didn't think it was going to be a big deal and thought I could handle it. I mean it couldn't be worse than opiate WD,right? Boy was a I wrong.

Starting about 48 hours after my last lyrica dose, I was in was experiencing extreme anxiety, cold sweats, shakiness and the worst insomnia I've ever had. I thought I had the flu at first, but after doing some online research, I realized what I had gotten myself into with the Lyrica. I could not go to doctor as I am currently unemployed and did not have health insurance.

Enter the Clonazolam. I started dosing 0.5mg Clam twice a day, and with little benzo tolerance this killed my anxiety and was finally able to sleep. I told myself I would just use the Clonazolam until the Lyrica withdraw was over, believing it to last no longer than a week or two. Boy was I wrong again. I did not begin to feel relief from the Lyrica WD until after four weeks of being completely off. Lyrica was quite honestly the hardest drug I have ever come off of, and that's including opiates,benzos and SSRI's.
So that brings my where I am today. I have been taking Clonzolam daily on average 1.5mg, 0.5mg around noon then 1mg before I go to bed, about 12 hours after the first dose. I am trying to taper down by gradually reducing both dosages, to just 0.5mg x2, then 0.25 mg x2. I got down to the 0.5mg x2 for about a week then tried dropping to the 0.25mg and of course the insomnia hits me like a truck and after tossing and turning for 5 hours in bed, I give in and dose another 0.5mg to finally fall asleep.

I am currently back at dosing schedule of 0.5mg twice daily, 12 hours apart. I have been stuck here for a week, trying to research and figure out the easiest way to get off benzos completely. PLEASE advise me in what I should do. Should I switch to a longer half-life RC benzo such as Flubromazepam or Diclazepam? Or will these just shoot my tolerance even higher. Also, I am located in the US and currently it seems like all US based vendors only carry Etiz or Clam, so would probably need two weeks to get flub or diclaz. I have about 30 0.5mg Clam pellets left.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. THANK YOU!
 
I can't find any vendor in the us that provides pams, and I am sketchy about ordering something from China or Europe.

I'm in a rut so to speak. All I have is -lams and from what I have gathered they appear to be useless in tapering.
 
Nuli said:
First post, but have been researching this thread for awhile - great information.

I have gotten myself into a stupid position and will admit I am an addict. To start off I was addicted to heroin for about a year and was able to get clean from it about two months ago. I used Lyrica and Xanax during the opiate WD period. After the initial acute opiate WD phase was over, I stopped the Xanax but continued the Lyrica as I enjoyed the high and was not aware of the dependency issues associated with it. My Lyrica dosage was quite insane, in doing any where from 600mg-2000mg daily for about five weeks straight. Eventually my source dried up and I was forced to cold turkey the Lyrica, but to be honest I didn't think it was going to be a big deal and thought I could handle it. I mean it couldn't be worse than opiate WD,right? Boy was a I wrong.

Starting about 48 hours after my last lyrica dose, I was in was experiencing extreme anxiety, cold sweats, shakiness and the worst insomnia I've ever had. I thought I had the flu at first, but after doing some online research, I realized what I had gotten myself into with the Lyrica. I could not go to doctor as I am currently unemployed and did not have health insurance.

Enter the Clonazolam. I started dosing 0.5mg Clam twice a day, and with little benzo tolerance this killed my anxiety and was finally able to sleep. I told myself I would just use the Clonazolam until the Lyrica withdraw was over, believing it to last no longer than a week or two. Boy was I wrong again. I did not begin to feel relief from the Lyrica WD until after four weeks of being completely off. Lyrica was quite honestly the hardest drug I have ever come off of, and that's including opiates,benzos and SSRI's.
So that brings my where I am today. I have been taking Clonzolam daily on average 1.5mg, 0.5mg around noon then 1mg before I go to bed, about 12 hours after the first dose. I am trying to taper down by gradually reducing both dosages, to just 0.5mg x2, then 0.25 mg x2. I got down to the 0.5mg x2 for about a week then tried dropping to the 0.25mg and of course the insomnia hits me like a truck and after tossing and turning for 5 hours in bed, I give in and dose another 0.5mg to finally fall asleep.

I am currently back at dosing schedule of 0.5mg twice daily, 12 hours apart. I have been stuck here for a week, trying to research and figure out the easiest way to get off benzos completely. PLEASE advise me in what I should do. Should I switch to a longer half-life RC benzo such as Flubromazepam or Diclazepam? Or will these just shoot my tolerance even higher. Also, I am located in the US and currently it seems like all US based vendors only carry Etiz or Clam, so would probably need two weeks to get flub or diclaz. I have about 30 0.5mg Clam pellets left.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. THANK YOU!
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I've toyed with f-pam for tapering and don't find it ideal even though it stays in your system longer than diclazepam, I find the latter optimal for tapering.
 
Here's my trip report

0.5 taken on empty stomach

Seeting: Currently recovering from an abcess / swollen lymph nodes / infection been bed ridden on and off for 3 months

First few hours lots of euphoria and being extreamly relaxed
Decided after 2 hours 2 go to sleep.

Had the deepest most amazing sleep
Keep having same dream where I'm me before my injury ( I was a bodybuilder)
With my friends meeting this sweet girl going traveling all over the world and when I wake up I go back to sleep and relive the dream to like the next chapter

It was an absolutely amazing dream

Woke up and legit started crying on an off for a few hours because the dream was so amazing and my current situation is so bleak.

Anyone tell what this feeling of sadness is?
I'm not one to cry at anything usually. Or have theese kind of feelings

Maybe because the dream was felt so Real and that's what I should be doing now but obviously can't because of this Fuking sickness pissing me off now just want to get healed
 
Cosmic Giraffe said:
There is no way you took that much and felt nothing. Find better sources.
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The source I use is a top source on a very popular board. There is zero question the quality isn't the issue. As I've mentioned earlier, i can take up to 100mg of xanax at once. It's absurd and I pray for when my judgement day comes and I have to come off.
 
mankind: If I were in your shoes, I would check myself into rehab as soon as possible before something really bad happens.
Tapering down these absurd amounts alone at home is nearly impossible and you will need medical supervision due to the seizure potential during withdrawl and such.
One good step would be to avoid these highly potent Triazolo benzos first. I mean 0,5mg of Clonazolam wrecked me hard and caused the strongest rebound I have ever experienced with benzos from one single dose.

I wish you all the best.
 
Thanks to a good friend of mine I was a able to locate Diclazepam, and it should be here sometime next week :)

I can't wait to taper and get off this stuff once and for all.

I am done messing with these triazolam benzos, I don't even know what I am going to do with this 50 milligram bottle of f-lam I haven't even touched.
 
Finally took the plunge and ordered 50 x Clonazolam after reading good things about them.
They arrived today.,normally I take benzos in the evening to help with sleep but I wanted to try these out asap.
I took 0.5mg at 11.30am and within an hour I was nicely chilled out. Did not feel as if I needed to sleep and added 10mg diazepam & 1mg etizolam and 2 bags of gear (heroin). Not to be advised but i have been a daily user of heroin for about 15years now bar some short breaks.
All in all I had a great chilled out day and will certainly order more Clonazolam
 
maxalfie said:
Finally took the plunge and ordered 50 x Clonazolam after reading good things about them.
They arrived today.,normally I take benzos in the evening to help with sleep but I wanted to try these out asap.
I took 0.5mg at 11.30am and within an hour I was nicely chilled out. Did not feel as if I needed to sleep and added 10mg diazepam & 1mg etizolam and 2 bags of gear (heroin). Not to be advised but i have been a daily user of heroin for about 15years now bar some short breaks.
All in all I had a great chilled out day and will certainly order more Clonazolam
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Why take a benzo with herion ? Surely the her I on would suffice?
 
Cosmic Giraffe said:
Don't. Just don't. If you have to take an RC benzo etizolam is definitely your safest bet. That's just my experience. I had the exact same thoughts that you're having, about dosing less frequently and such. Clonozolam is a lot more euphoric then Etizolam.

It's become an issue for me, but that is just my experience with it. I have been told by several that Diclazepam would be the best RC if you want something with a longer half-life. I would like to find some so I can taper good and proper. Anything with Pam is good. I'm going to ask my doctor about switching me from Xanax to Klonopin.
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Thanks for the input,

My current doctor will prescribe me Diazepam, which is probably the best to taper with. The thing is though, I'm not sure if I want to be tapering off benzos while going through my schoolwork. I'm studying environmental engineering, already stressful as hell, I can't imagine a long brutal benzo taper on top of that.

So, I'm stuck on benzos, but as long as I take the same dose every night I should be fine. I take .25-.5mg Clonazolam per night, and I basically have to choose if I want to be dependent on Clonazolam, Etizolam, or Diazepam.

And right now Clonazolam is seeming like the best option. Best subjective effects IMO. Of course, it's been a while since I had good ol Diazepam or Clonazepam, so it's hard to gauge.
 
Depends on what you're tapering from

Are you tapering from Xanax/Etizolam?

Than i would taper with Diazepam or Clonazepam

Are you tapering from Clonazepam/Lorazepam/Bromazepam / other long half life benzos

Then i would taper with Chlordiazepoxide (Librium)

Ive been around the block a few times with the tapering of benzos and have found that Librium is the most effective IMO.


A very small dosage of librium, while it may not get you high, will starve off widthdrawals and is handy to have around.

And most doctors , are willing to prescribe it.


and some useless info: Librium/Chorodiazepoxide was the first benzodiazepine ever discovered!
"Chlordiazepoxide was the first benzodiazepine to be synthesized and the discovery of chlordiazepoxide was by pure chance"
 
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and quick question,
if im a person that prefers clonazepam, would clonazolam be the best RC benzo for me?

etizolam reminds me more of xanax but more hypnotic
 
Torn between Clonazolam, Diclazepam and Pyrazolam. At a roughly equipotent dose, can anybody tell me the differences between their effects?

I'm not looking for a heavy hypnotic or something that's going to make me drowsy, just after a very nice chilled and relaxed feeling.
 
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