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Clonazepam(Klonopin) help

R34P3R25

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Hello,

I searched forums and couldnt really find anything usefull for my situation. I am under the influnece of 2.5 mg of Clonazepam now so that may the case. Please dont close thread. Ok onto the question. As said above I took 2.5 mg of Clonazepam and not really feeling anything special I feel real relaxed and calm with a mild buzz. For tolerance info I've been taking 3x 0.5 mg Clonazepam a day (throughout the day). I've been taking this for about 7 days and wondering if I have built up a tolerance. Another thing to keep in mind is that I took .75 ativan 2x a day for about 2 weeks maybe. I don't think that will effect tolerance too much cause its a weak benzo. But, I am trying to get a better high. What dose would u reccomend?

Ok now I am planning on taking a good dose next week how much should I take. Also I am having a girl coming over w/ no tolerance at all how much should she take. We also plan on smoking weed. Will smoking weed w/ benzo's give better effects.

Also note I am very lucky I got a docoter to prescribe me this cause I hear it's not prescribed much.

Thanks
 
STOP taking Clonopin if you aren't feeling 2.5mg.

I found this benzo to build a very fast tolerance, in fact faster than any other I've tried.

Don't waste your time building a huge benzo tolerance without even getting decent effects.... get some valium or something and start with 20mg and work your way down to 10mg.
 
klonipin is crap for recreational use, it's only helpful if you actually have amedical need for it. xanax is better suited to your "needs"
 
Different people different strokes , I really like k-pins recreationally ,with weed and opiates it makes me go to heaven and xanax was too short too notice (good with alcohol in moderation though)
 
shercakes said:
klonipin is crap for recreational use, it's only helpful if you actually have amedical need for it. xanax is better suited to your "needs"

Thats how it is for me too. A bit of klonopin with beer will make me extremely tired, whereas the xanax/beer combo just makes me a less anxious happy drunk. 8)
 
Let's not turn this into yet another my-benzo-is-better-than-your-benzo shit.

Be very careful with clonazepam. If Heroin hugs you and says "Hello, I'm here to get you addicted," Then benzos turn their heads and say "I'm not fun at all" and then sneak on your back and stab you with a deadly addiction.
 
I know everyone is different but I DEFINATLEY found xanax to be quickest tolerence building benzo. Clonazepam COULD come in second, although i'm sure tolerence, big and quick tolerence is innevitable from ANY benzodiazepine. Diazepam is famous for causing high tolerences really quickly. Seriously though for me, xanax gave an IMMENSE tolerance and i wasn't even using high amounts. Certainly not more than 2mg a day, less actually more like 1mg or 1.5mg, for not even a month.
 
Jamshyd said:
Let's not turn this into yet another my-benzo-is-better-than-your-benzo shit.

Be very careful with clonazepam. If Heroin hugs you and says "Hello, I'm here to get you addicted," Then benzos turn their heads and say "I'm not fun at all" and then sneak on your back and stab you with a deadly addiction.

Im not worried about becoming addicted just wandering a good dose to take to get fuckec up my doc said he prescribe it as long as needed and raise dose as needed so i not really worried about addiction... just as said above a does to take to get "high" just on kolopin. I also hear some ppl say it dont get you high but, then I hear ppl say it does so im confused
 
R34P3R25 said:
Im not worried about becoming addicted just wandering a good dose to take to get fuckec up my doc said he prescribe it as long as needed and raise dose as needed so i not really worried about addiction... just as said above a does to take to get "high" just on kolopin. I also hear some ppl say it dont get you high but, then I hear ppl say it does so im confused

If your doctor has to raise your dose, then you're probably becoming addicted. You really don't want to mess with a benzo addiction. If you need them for anxiety, use them as the tool they are.

The first time you get a memory spot or fall down a flight of stairs because you chased them with vodka should put you in your place. I know it did me. Jamshyd hit the nail on the head.
 
R34P3R25 said:
Im not worried about becoming addicted just wandering a good dose to take to get fuckec up my doc said he prescribe it as long as needed and raise dose as needed so i not really worried about addiction... just as said above a does to take to get "high" just on kolopin. I also hear some ppl say it dont get you high but, then I hear ppl say it does so im confused

Benzo addiction is one of the meds that you WANT to be worried about dependence issues, because, IMHO too, Jamshyd did pretty much hit it on the head...
It (not the addiction, but the W/D) can actually kill you, and it will totally disrupt the way your brain processes "stress" for the rest of your life...
....I've seen people that started out taking benzos (esp. Xanax) for recreation, not knowing the dangers, and either smashing themselves up pretty bad (Neuro-ICU) from seizures, or are on them permanently (like me) , for the rest of your life. If you rely on a substance like that in a physical, long-term, dependence way, and something (some people say "shit happens", I say "life happens") happens to your supply abruptly, you'd need to get some quick, or go straight to your local hospital ER (and tell them honestly what's up- they know it can be life-threatening, don't worry about being branded a "drug-seeker"...in fact if they do say anything about "drug seeking behavior", agree w/ them: "Yeah, I'm seeking benzos so I don't have another seizure/cranial fracture/hematoma...That wasn't very fun, and I don't want to have to go through that again, doc...I'm not seeking a euphoriant (morphine/cocaine/amphetamine)- benzos don't get me "high", I have bad panic attacks/anxiety issues, and they make me feel "normal")....they most likely will not let you go w/o doing something, because if you do die as a direct or indirect consequence of their medical negligence, that is malpractice, and they most likely don't want to fuck w/ that...our insurance premiums are already high enough (in the U.S. at least)...:\

So, better off not to become dependent on benzos in the first place, IMO...

Just a word of advice from a medical professional, and benzo addict for over 7 years...you really don't want to go there...
If you still feel you have to, at least limit your dose (try not to drink w/ them, all the time, anyway, or to excess) and time in between doses- 4-5 days- week, and you shouldn't fare too bad...of course, YMMV...:\

Man, this harm reduction thing is really eating into my homework time, but I find it immensely rewarding & I hope that I can be of service, or have helped even one person...it's totally worth it (and logical). The only reason I bring it up, is (totally OT), I'm feeling some serious burnout lately...thank the powers that be that I only have 2 more semesters for my (nurse) practitioners license, so I can dump school for awhile, as a "teaching student" anyway (except for purely teaching, because I'm going for my Pharm.D. next).
People in the U.S. are very polarized on the drug issue, and need to be properly educated- so much duplicity/propaganda/politics-capitalism (which does not mix nicely w/ proper science-esp. the medical arts) exists here- it's a real downer...oh well...sorry for bringing my personal misery to OD (I know...I make my bed, so I have to lay in it).
Off to the "other computer"- Windoze ("choke...gag") for work and school- signing off the Mac for tonight...
See y'all soon... ;)

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
 
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I was scripted 2mgs tabs of Clonaz 3x daily, and i could take take 10mgs along Ritalin a nd feel shit all.

Just don't be a dork like me and pop em with Wine and go to town, then wake up in a Police cell remembering Fuck all OK?

Thanks


PS: benzo addiction is a bitch @a half
 
I like your avatar, mariposa. It's not tongue in cheek, is it? Anyway, I love it.
To the OP, give your non-tolerant girlfriend about 1mg. She probably wont like it and it'll only make her sleepy, unless she'll be smoking green with you. To get "high" on K-pins, take about 4mg. That should be a start. There's no real high on benzos, unless you combine it with opiate, weed or alcohol. If alcohol is involved, lower your benzo dose to avoid blackouts or overdoses. Chill out. Don't worry about addiction yet, if you're just using them for recreation. Have fun.
 
ok thanks for info i do acutally need them for anxiety ive been having real bad anxiety issues so i take them as prescribed but, some days i wont take 3x a day cause i dont feel i need so much so i save them for a binge. but, they have worked miracles for my anxiety.
 
^^ In a few months, if you took them 3x/day, you would not be able to stop w/o a proper wean...and you'd feel like utter shit...FWIW I was on 1mg Xanax, 3x/day for over 2 years (everyday- back before I knew any better), then I dropped them into the ocean (accident of course). It was a Friday, after hours, so I couldn't get ahold of him...I just said I can probably go call him on Monday, I mean it's only 2-3 days, right? Wrong, by Sunday morning I fell straight over backwards and fractured my skull, w/ an epidural hematoma, woke up w/ paramedics all around me, and spent the next 2 weeks in our areas level 1 trauma center (life-flight...level 1 means the most serious, deadly types of problems can be dealt w/ there) in Neuro-ICU. Luckily, I lived....:\

I said fuck the Xanax, put me on somethng longer acting (10mg diazepam, 3x/day, for the last 5 years- everyday...). At my level/time span, it would probably take me 1.5 years to do a proper taper. I am getting by on 2/day now, but I'm kind of cheating (cimetidine & grapefruit juice- but it's better than more Valium...:\).
 
R34P3R25 said:
Im not worried about becoming addicted

Do worry about benzo addiction. You must respect these drugs. I luckily have not been addicted to them but I am addicted to opiates and from reading experiences here on BL opiate addiction pales in comparison to a benzo addiciton. I know the pain the comes with withdrawing from opiates and benzos are worse and I can't image nor do I want to, something worse then opiate withdrawal.
So please watch what you are getting into.
Do a search on benzos + withdrawal.
 
Okay, so I have not read any of the posts yet so don't get angry is I have repeated the same same answer ten times.

I searched forums and couldn't really find anything useful for my situation. I am under the influence of 2.5 mg of Clonazepam now so that may the case. Please don't close thread. Ok onto the question. As said above I took 2.5 mg of Clonazepam and not really feeling anything special I feel real relaxed and calm with a mild buzz.

I have been taking benzodiazepines on a daily basis for nearly 8 years for legit reasons; Generalized anxiety and increased anxiety in certain situations that can lead to panic attacks as well as chronic insomnia problems; and for recreational purposes (Well, I prefer the term 'abuse'), so I understand the effects of benzodiazepine abuse and the effects that they have on those who really need them. I don't know how 'legit' your reasons are for taking Clonazepam, but I will tell you right now that those who really need them for debilitating anxiety reasons, acquire much more pleasurable effects from those who abuse them for party reasons, mainly because the relief of such potent restrain that holds you back from doing just about everything that you want in life...produces such grand euphoria.

On the flip side, if you are just taking benzodiazepines to acquire a 'high', than the effects that you experienced are pretty much on par. Relaxation...calmed state of mind...and a possible mild to moderate buzz.

For tolerance info I've been taking 3x 0.5 mg Clonazepam a day (throughout the day). I've been taking this for about 7 days and wondering if I have built up a tolerance.

From personal experience, as well as plenty of more scientific and first hand observation research; one week of routine daily benzodiazepine use, at a rather mild to moderate dose (1.5mg Clonazepam), your tolerance shouldn't have risen too substantially, and if even so, considering this was the first time that you have actually abused Clonazepam, a benzodiazepine, you will more than likely realize that those rather minor effects, as you acclaimed they were, are pretty much what you should expect from benzodiazepine abuse. However, continue to take them on a daily basis and you will notice an incredible increase in tolerance. As little as one more week of daily use and it will be noticable.

Another thing to keep in mind is that I took .75 ativan 2x a day for about 2 weeks maybe. I don't think that will effect tolerance too much cause its a weak benzo. But, I am trying to get a better high. What dose would u reccomend?

YES, Lorazepam (Ativan) will increase your tolerance to any other drug in the benzodiazepine class (i.e. Alprazolam {Xanax}, Diazepam {Valium}, etc.) including Clonazepam, weak or potent. So it may be possible that you have developed some what of a tolerance.

The initial effects of increased benzodiazepine dosage are symptoms similar to drinking alcohol. Consuming more benzodiazepine is like consuming more alcohol (Just generally safer on your physical health) but benzos aren't nearly as euphoric (my opinion only) and produce much more unwanted drowsiness and loss of coordination. Some do find euphoria and pleasurable relaxation/sedation, as I do, but once again, relief of anxiety is euphoria in my case.

If you want, you can give 3mg a go and see how you feel but don't expect too much from the buzz, you'll just feel more disappointed.

Ok now I am planning on taking a good dose next week how much should I take. Also I am having a girl coming over w/ no tolerance at all how much should she take. We also plan on smoking weed. Will smoking weed w/ benzo's give better effects.

I can't tell you what dose this girl should take but if she really feels the need to attempt a high from Klonopin than no more than 1mg would be neccesary. From personal experience, smoking Marijuana really enhances the benzodiazepine buzz. In fact, I find the high really pleasurable. One of my top 5 drug combos. If you plan on smoking some pot with Clonazepam than 3mg is not necessary. Your largest attempted dose of 1.5mg should do just fine. If this girl that you know has the same intentions, she really won't need more than half a milligram. But if she still isn't where she wants to be, don't increase more than .5mg.
 
Jamshyd said:
Let's not turn this into yet another my-benzo-is-better-than-your-benzo shit.

Be very careful with clonazepam. If Heroin hugs you and says "Hello, I'm here to get you addicted," Then benzos turn their heads and say "I'm not fun at all" and then sneak on your back and stab you with a deadly addiction.
^LISTEN to this guy. He knows exactly what he's talking about; and so do I. I've been battling both heroin and benzo addiction for more then a handful of years now, and without a shread of doubt say that benzo addiction/abuse (from my own experience mind you, along with stories from people alike and what i've read on Bluelight through the years) is/has been a lot more dangerous, putting me in perilous situations, crashing into cars with cars that werent even mine...since my car was already totaled from the month before when i was eating xanax "the crack of benzos"(in the basic/classic benzo family: i.e. Valium, Klonopin, Xanax..."the big 3" at least)...having some random thug in mexico sticking the tip of a switchblade right at my gut, just barely starting to pierce the skin, yelling at me in spanish for my money and shit...and all I could think of was how pathetic and funny (funny in a "you're pitiful" way) he was, so i just started laughing so hard off the top of my lungs; everyone around the street corner and across the street, etc.. started actually looking at what was going on, the thug with the blade gave me this look I'll never forget...a look like "omg man, you are SO fucked up on drugs that you don't even give a shit if I killed you rightnow...you probably have aids and will pull a dirty needle out on me"....seriously, that's what i saw/felt...and the fucker ran away. I have a point to this.... If benzos can make you that fucked up, well, then IMO they are some hard ass drugs. Don't let those little "cool"/"cute" blue clean pressed pills that come from a sealed bottle from a well established company fool you. ("Durh." Right?...you'd be surprised)
A handful of valium can be just as equally, if not more dangerous then a shot of heroin. And then there's the whole aspect of actual benzo addiction. Withdrawling from a benzo(s) when you have been abusing the fuck out of them for long enough, yeah you can have some serious seizures, sending your ass to the ICU, hell all the time, the ER, or strait to the morgue..(aka DEATH).
You can't die from heroin/opiate(narcotic) withdrawls. least I don't think you can...haven't ever heard of that happening...a lot of things are possible that I never thought were so then again who knows?...(someone on here does though). Anyways the point is that it's a well known/documented thing that people die from taking too much xanax or some shit, (any benzo really)...it's pretty much ALWAYS because the person mixed the benzo in question with another CNS depressant; alcohol being the obvious most abused/mixed , "benzo death combo". And keep in mind when you take any benzo, let's say some diazepam(valium), 1+1 does not equal 2. Well it depends...this goes for with any drug really. Drugs affect the human body quite differently then most anything else i can think of...everyone's natural body chemistry is different. We all have different rates of metobolism, levels of dopamine, when some people get a cut, it heels a lot faster then others, one single beer can really fuck up some people where as it takes like a 24pack, etc. (and I'm talking about both drug tolerant and non-drug tolerant inviduals.
In the world of downers, 1+1 usually is closer to equalling 3-4.... 2 + 1 (like if you took 2 of something and then later on took 1 more) could easily end up being more like) 2 + 1 = 6-7. Do you get the point? (This isn't directed towards anyone specifically. This is for the common good of anyone that reads this and learns something new...gains some valuable insight.
Did you know that benzos affect the body in a way similar to one (of the many ways) that alcohol affects the body? Benzos are all about hitting up and activating the GABA receptor sites. (You know, the area in your chest where you feel the bulk of all that anxiety/panic attacks [when you have them, etc.])...that's your GABA receptors going hay-wire. (Obviously not every human's GABA receptors are all that perfect...or work as they should)...perhaps it has something to do with the kind of world we have made for ourselves, vs. living out in/with nature? I dunno, and i digress. So anyways, imagine, benzos are pretty much like "freeze dried alcohol". Only, generally speaking, you get NONE of the negative side effects that you do from alcohol, which automatically renders benzos to have a very high abuse potential. That coupled with it's literal physiological side affects/affects (as in injuries, physical and mental, aswell as death), make this class of drugs quite the taint. Unfortunately using pharmacutical drugs to get high is the current more mainstream trend among Americans, especially highschoolers....and none of them use let along even know about sites like Bluelight. The one's that are in highschool that are members here, consider yourself fucking lucky. (and smart to have some rationality and hindsight of the very real possible negatives).
Aight I'm done rambling. To whoever reads this, try to keep this in mind: "less is more"...keep that mentality (gotta actually obtain it and hold onto it first) and you'll automatically, consciously/sub-consciously/and unconsciously have a mental safety buffer always activated in your skull)
If you're not "feeling it", you can always take more, but don't let your patience get up and walk out the door. You should always start off with the smallest amounts of "whatever" possible/a low reccomended medicinal dose is usually/most always a good starting point. And especially if it's your first few times taking a substance...let your metabolism get used to it...you never know, for one thing your metab could activate it all in 15mins and with something else that's similar, it could take up to 4 hours and then smack you in the fucking face. Ok, NOW I'm done rambling.
Peace out.
-Dex
 
nothing like writing 8 pages to send a message to someone three years ago and won't likely ever see this.
 
Ham-milton said:
nothing like writing 8 pages to send a message to someone three years ago and won't likely ever see this.

Well I saw Dextermeths message(this whole thread acutally) and it helped me. My doctor put me on Klonopine last week...and stupid me...didnt read any warnings....doctor didnt discuss anything about the drug, just sd it would help the panic attachs. Friday went to the usual happy hour...had 3 rum & cokes...(can usually drink 3x that) and I got sooo fucked up...thank god I got a ride home and didnt choke to death on my own puke. After reading all about this drug...I dont think I want to take it. Sat and today just fel so tired...and I did have one beer today..and I have to go to bed. I like my booze and the drugs are not mixing well. I dont want the panic attach either....wine wine wine!
I dont know what to do. Tired of feeling like shit though.
 
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