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TakeItAll

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I have a query for you knowledgeable steroid forum users.

Lots of people use Clen to cut their weight but have any of you ever heard of people using other long acting beta agonists to achieve the same ends.

Eformoterol or Salmeterol have much shorter half-lives but in Australia at least these products would be much more accessible due to all the asthmatics we have here.
 
Formoterol Increases Muscle Mass
Written by Anssi H. Manninen, MHS
Tuesday, 17 October 2006

Formoterol is a beta-2 agonist used in the management of asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. A beta-2 agonist is a compound that stimulates beta-2 receptors, with little or no effect at the beta-1 receptors. While such products were traditionally used for the treatment of bronchial ailments, the use of beta-2 agonists (e.g., clenbuterol) in the livestock industry revealed some interesting side effects, namely increased skeletal muscle mass and a concominant decrease in body fat.

In a recent rat study published in The British Journal of Pharmacology, the investigators examined how beta-2 agonists, formoterol and salmeterol, affect skeletal and heart muscle mass. Both drugs were administered via daily i.p. injection at different doses (ranging from 1 to 2,000 micrograms per kilogram of body mass per day) for four weeks. The results revealed that formoterol was more potent than salmeterol. In fact, doses as low as 1 microgram per kilogram per day of formoterol can elicit significant skeletal muscle hypertrophy with minimal heart muscle hypertrophy. However, well-controlled human studies are needed before firm conclusions can be drawn. The potential side effects of beta-2 agonists include anxiety, fast heart rate and low blood potassium.
 
let me add that honestly be it the "new clen" - which it honestly is not , stuff has been around - it certainly doesn't stack up to clen , from all accounts that I know.

Also - to be frank , unless you really react amazingly to clen , i would recommend making a good ECA and using that - clen is no joke and you honestly do not get results increasingly better than a good ECA to make the risk worth the while

my 2ccs. Good luck bro.
 
fuck clen plain and simple...that shit is extremely dangerous and is super harsh on your heart...it actually eats away at the lining of your heart, plus it can be a little catabolic

I'd stick to ephedrine and caffeine (and asprin or yohimbe if you choose)
 
Thanks for the info guys. That is an interesting study. To hit the 'significant' skeletal growth though I'd need a lot of Eformoterol. The study had them delivering it via IV whereas the easy access I have to it due to the number of asthmatics means it is in a asthma puffer format. 12mcg per puff but with 35% lung deposition for systemic absorbtion means as an 85kg man I'd need around 9 puffs per day. Which is well over the safe recommended levels.

Thanks for the info maakshif. Unfortunately I'm fairly sensitive to caffeine and get jittery and have trouble sleeping which has meant I've never tried ephidrine either. I'm not a big fan of anyone taking aspirin on a regular basis either. Well unless you've had a heart attack and need it for that. But I'll look into the yohimbe a bit more.
 
TakeItAll said:
Thanks for the info guys. That is an interesting study. To hit the 'significant' skeletal growth though I'd need a lot of Eformoterol. The study had them delivering it via IV whereas the easy access I have to it due to the number of asthmatics means it is in a asthma puffer format. 12mcg per puff but with 35% lung deposition for systemic absorbtion means as an 85kg man I'd need around 9 puffs per day. Which is well over the safe recommended levels.

Thanks for the info maakshif. Unfortunately I'm fairly sensitive to caffeine and get jittery and have trouble sleeping which has meant I've never tried ephidrine either. I'm not a big fan of anyone taking aspirin on a regular basis either. Well unless you've had a heart attack and need it for that. But I'll look into the yohimbe a bit more.
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i typically only do EC but would recommend Yohimbine over Aspirin
 
maakshif said:
fuck clen plain and simple...that shit is extremely dangerous and is super harsh on your heart...it actually eats away at the lining of your heart, plus it can be a little catabolic

I'd stick to ephedrine and caffeine (and asprin or yohimbe if you choose)
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amen brother - I am on board 100% , I will use T3 if I'm running a serious enough cycle , hgh , igf - or ECA , obviously ECA being the most affective compared to the risk. But T3 used combined like that works hand in hand so I will bare with it during the proper cycle.

One thing I will never EVER touch again is DNP - that shit is just not WORTH the risk, unless you are literally 1 point from your pro card i say fuck DNP period.
 
theartofwar said:
amen brother - I am on board 100% , I will use T3 if I'm running a serious enough cycle , hgh , igf - or ECA , obviously ECA being the most affective compared to the risk. But T3 used combined like that works hand in hand so I will bare with it during the proper cycle.

One thing I will never EVER touch again is DNP - that shit is just not WORTH the risk, unless you are literally 1 point from your pro card i say fuck DNP period.
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dnp seems to be one of those things that you either love it or hate and you either have great results or hate it...lol

I haven't tried it, but I've got friends that are on both sides of that one...a couple of my buddies that compete use it solely to get ready for shows, but they say it allows them to bulk for a little longer than normal

T3/EC/Keto diet = insane fat loss
 
man bro I've tried everything under the sun and as far as fat loss and prep goes bro I still stick w/my T3 / ECA - only on sauce w/T3 - and i use keto.

worst ever was a stack that some dude brewed up and had shit ton of amphetamines in it - honestly it was prefight and i thought my heart would never come back to normal - lucky the ticker is still goin !!!
 
theartofwar said:
man bro I've tried everything under the sun and as far as fat loss and prep goes bro I still stick w/my T3 / ECA - only on sauce w/T3 - and i use keto.

worst ever was a stack that some dude brewed up and had shit ton of amphetamines in it - honestly it was prefight and i thought my heart would never come back to normal - lucky the ticker is still goin !!!
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oh yeah I agree about the t3 only while on at least a low dose test
 
Clen and T3 works very well indeed for burning fat, iv used clen alone tapering up to 160mcg, and clen at 80mg and T3 at 50mg ED, i ran the clen and T3 alongside my test cycle with good results.
at 80mcg i didnt experience any sides. but at 160 my hands were shaking pretty bad... not too handy when your a welder!
 
clen just doesn't offer results like t3 - and ECA is SO much easier on my system - i've run clen w/ keto , done whatever i could. I just don't respond to it well. My body hates winstrol also - i feel like a 90 year old fucking man on that shit, doesn't matter what I take w/it , i swear I'll never run winny again.

Face it bros were our own guinea pigs - share knowledge and lets get fuckin swole !
 
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