Clear water after CWE.. BUT..?

[Drew.]

get a better filter (like a coffee filter...), be very careful, use less water, you should be ok...

i find a rolling pin best to crush the pills...unfortunately 32 8/500 apap does nothing for me...after on and off h..."has my tolerance gone does yet? must have!" very excited...prepping carefully...empty stomach...drink that nasty nasty shit..."fuck, what a waste of my time and £1.75!"

How did you extract it? Did you follow mathematical calculations to make sure the APAP is not left in the clear solution? How did you do it?
How come no one knows this? I can google replies of people saying "do this for 26 pills, this much water, etc." But I've never understood nor seen proof of anything.
If you use less water I could see the understanding in that. More codeine than aspirin would mix into the solution..
As far as I'm concerned, the WARM water will get rid of more Aspirin... which is why you let it cool, then refridgerate... then filter.
BUT I have no proof of this. On Erowid it says it's to separate the "tylenol from the codeine", as codeine is soluble in warm water (but can be destroyed?), and ace/aspirin is not.

I've stopped making my concoctions because of this. I want a liver test done to see if I am damaged for a young adult. Because I've followed no procedures, I could have done some serious damage.
Know what the hell you're doing before you do this stuff... it could come back to haunt you.
Although I am quite convinced a 75ml solution with 10000 MG of aspirin when filtered does at least get rid of some. Otherwise I'd be long dead by now.

 

[Pjkt2501]

There's plenty of proof, I just don't feel like digging for solubility values and doing a bit of math. What you're concerned with is: max H2O solubility @ a given temperature and pressure - and using a value that works for the chemical you WANT, that will leave behind what you DON'T want (APAP in this case).

Raising the temperature of any solute will only bring more of anything into solution. A trick to make kool-aid for instance is to make it warm so that the water will absorb more of the powder. If you've added too much, there will be a recrystallization of the powder at the bottom (as the water cools it cannot hold as much, and the kool aid falls out of solution).

 

[effie]

^ this.. you can get solubility data and calculate it, but for practical purposes, just use the minimum water you need to make it a liquid not a sludge. Codeine is soluble in cold water; no need for it to be warm.

 

[i against i]

How did you extract it? Did you follow mathematical calculations to make sure the APAP is not left in the clear solution? How did you do it?
How come no one knows this? I can google replies of people saying "do this for 26 pills, this much water, etc." But I've never understood nor seen proof of anything.
If you use less water I could see the understanding in that. More codeine than aspirin would mix into the solution..
As far as I'm concerned, the WARM water will get rid of more Aspirin... which is why you let it cool, then refridgerate... then filter.
BUT I have no proof of this. On Erowid it says it's to separate the "tylenol from the codeine", as codeine is soluble in warm water (but can be destroyed?), and ace/aspirin is not.

I've stopped making my concoctions because of this. I want a liver test done to see if I am damaged for a young adult. Because I've followed no procedures, I could have done some serious damage.
Know what the hell you're doing before you do this stuff... it could come back to haunt you.
Although I am quite convinced a 75ml solution with 10000 MG of aspirin when filtered does at least get rid of some. Otherwise I'd be long dead by now.

basically i crush the pills up finely, use 2ml per pill (this figure came from some instructions somewhere that listed the solubility of codeine and APAP in mg per ml, can't remember where), use kinda warm tap water (no idea why, help the pills dissolve? anyway, not very warm)>freezer for 20-25 minutes (as APAP is less soluble at lower temperatures? no idea)>coffee filter into cup. this is shitty chemistry and is confused as some people are talking APAP (paracetamol) and some are talking aspirin.

if you have 75ml of final solution that should weigh ~7500mg, so obviously 10000mg of aspirin is not in there.

 

[Pjkt2501]

To clarify, are we separating Ibuprofin or Acetaminophen from the pills? Sorry for any potential confusion I may have created by assuming Acetaminophen.

 

[Starshowers]

I think the issue here is that the pills aren't dissolving. The warm water comes first to dissolve the pills. For me, it takes warm,-hot water and like 1 hour to dissolve 40 standard tablets.

 

[Pjkt2501]

Wait longer then. Heat will only cause more of the pill to come into solution - which means the stuff you DON'T want. If it's not moving quick enough, then CWE'ing may not be the DOC for you (or ya needs some patience for the high!).

I've never bothered to CWE pills, as when my dose gets high enough I switch to non-APAP containing IR meds. However I find ~2-4 hours to be the average time required for patience and care.

 

[Drew.]

But if you CRUSH the pills, and stir them in water, would that not BYPASS the soaking method??
...And allow it to be 10X quicker?

Also I use Aspirin because I have read that the ace(tylenol) is more damaging to your liver in higher quanities.
Plus, TYLENOL takes a loooong time to filter, which adds another 40+ mins. If you use ASPIRIN, however, it goes through like nothing. 3 minutes and it's done.

 

[Pjkt2501]

Just as APAP is damaging to one part of your body, Aspirin, and Ibuprofin all do their own part in fucking something up.

 

[Drew.]

Also I use Aspirin because I have read that the ace(tylenol) is more damaging to your liver in higher quanities.
Plus, TYLENOL takes a loooong time to filter, which adds another 40+ mins. If you use ASPIRIN, however, it goes through like nothing. 3 minutes and it's done.

WHY is this? Breaks down easier ?

 

[danceofdays]

You guys would really benefit from a technique I use on AC&Cs. From another thread: "Basically, I ground up 20 AC&C tablets (375mg aspirin, 15mg caffeine, 8mg codeine), then folded & moistened some paper towel to create a plug that I put in the bottom of a 30cc oral syringe. I poured the powder into the syringe on top of it, added 8cc of very cold (colder the better) water, and slowly pushed approximately 60 drops through the plug and into a shot glass. Maybe a tablespoon of clear liquid that tasted like CWE liquid normally does but way more bitter, it took forever for the taste to leave my mouth."

It's seriously great, takes out the caffeine too, or most of it anyway. You can't fit that much caffeine in such a small amount of water that's that cold. Codeine is a different story. Shit's really easy once you get the hang of it and yields are excellent.

 

[Drew.]

Huh! Had anyone else found this other method beneficial? So squeezing wouldn't push more aspirin and caffeine in?
H ow about that..

 

[Pjkt2501]

The very cold water doesn't dissolve as much APAP / caffeine, and by having a low volume it assures that the codeine / opiate is the one taking up the available space in solution.

Again, just look for solubility figures and crunch some #'s. It's all out there to make life easy (in multiple ways).