Church awaits ruling on use of hallucinogens

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Saw this in the local paper. A church in Ashland, OR that uses ayahuasca (DMT) has gone to court to protect their religious right to do so.

Ashland's Santo Daime sect says sacramental tea is part of ritual

By Sanne Specht
Mail Tribune

Members of a Brazilian-based Christian church in Ashland await a decision from U.S. District Court Judge Owen Panner over worshippers' right to drink hallucinogenic tea during services.

The Church of the Holy Light of the Queen took the case to federal court under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act after federal agents in 1999 arrested Jonathan Goldman, head of the Ashland-based branch of the Santo Daime (pronounced Die-May) sect, searched his home and seized a shipment of the disputed tea leaves.

Goldman is the religious leader ("Padrinho") of the Ashland church, which blends Christian theology with traditional indigenous religious beliefs from Brazil. In May 1999, Goldman was arrested and jailed for 12 hours before being released. No charges were filed against him, but the decision to prosecute "remains an open question pending the decision of the United States Department of Justice," the plaintiffs allege.

Panner heard arguments during a two-day trial that began Jan. 21 in Medford. Panner is expected to rule in the case within the next 45 days.

Church members are requesting Panner to declare those who import, create and ingest the tea to be within their rights. Otherwise, the government could seize further shipments of their sacramental tea, and also arrest and prosecute the church members, they say.

"All plaintiffs and members of the Church live under the constant threat of arrest, prosecution and imprisonment for quietly practicing their religion because the government refuses to respond to their requests that it abandon threats to arrest and prosecute Santo Daime Church members designated to transport the tea from Brazil to Ashland, Oregon, for services," the complaint reads.

Goldman and other plaintiffs in the lawsuit say the tea is an integral part of their communion with Jesus. They want to protect their right to drink ayahuasca tea from two Amazonian plants that contain the hallucinogenic drug dimethyltriptamine, or DMT.

"It is believed that only by taking the tea can a Church member have a direct experience with Jesus Christ, believed by members of the Church to be the savior."

According to plaintiffs, "without the tea, there is essentially no religion because it is an essential element of the church ritual in which the members have placed their faith. All church members imbibe the holy tea as a form of communion."

Court documents state the preparation of the tea requires the intensive labor of many church members and its creation is undertaken in prayer and accompanied by the singing of hymns. The document states the Oregon Board of Pharmacy has approved the use of ayahuasca tea for religious purposes.

Calls to the Ashland church were not returned Thursday.

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090220/NEWS/902200329
 
I don't see how people don't see how infinitely less destructive it is to allow people to consume psychedelics to attain a form of "enlightenment", spiritual identity or just plain expanson of thought compared to millions of idiots getting drunk every weekend and starting fights, drunk driving, assaulting women, etc.
 
^That plus DMT isnt a multi-billion dollar industry with a bunch of lobbyists in washington making sure they get what they want.
 
I can't take it anymore!
I must escape from this church!
Too much LSD!
I want more DMT, more LSA!
Where is the balance?
I am going to make a breakaway faction from Roger's church!
Join me!
Find God with DMT and LSA, and only take LSD on Saturday picincs!
We'll be the "More Drugs than Roger's-Church Church" (MoDRoC)
Who is with me?
 
If you need drugs to get in contact with your deity, that should probably give you a hint about the spiritual validity of your beliefs.
 
If you need drugs to get in contact with your deity, that should probably give you a hint about the spiritual validity of your beliefs.

What?8o
Wrong, it says something about my abilities to contact the deity, not about the beliefs.
Just because I use drugs to contact my gods has no relationship to the question of whether they are real or not.
Maybe you are in contact with your gods without drugs? Good for you.
Maybe I like to use drugs to contact my gods? Give me that freedom without disparaging my beliefs.
You small-minded person, you. :p
Can't you allow people to find their own god the way they choose?
Don't lay your judgments on me. :!
If you insult the Church of MoDRoC again, may fleas infest your toe hair for ten thousand years!
 
What?8o
Wrong, it says something about my abilities to contact the deity, not about the beliefs.
Just because I use drugs to contact my gods has no relationship to the question of whether they are real or not.
Maybe you are in contact with your gods without drugs? Good for you.
Maybe I like to use drugs to contact my gods? Give me that freedom without disparaging my beliefs.
You small-minded person, you. :p
Can't you allow people to find their own god the way they choose?
Don't lay your judgments on me. :!
If you insult the Church of MoDRoC again, may fleas infest your toe hair for ten thousand years!

I was referring to the article, not you, but my point is that I would be highly suspicious of any spiritual organization who claims that the sole path to understanding of their beliefs is through drug use.

I agree that drug use can do great (and terrible) things, and can for better or worse open your mind to new understandings of reality, but if their sole method of coming to terms with themselves spiritually is to take drugs, then maybe you should consider that it is just an effect of the high induced like any other, and has no greater meaning. I think it would end up being a crutch that would just deprive of them of spiritual and personal growth.
 
okay, I agree with you.
If the church claims that the *only* path to god is through drugs, I would be suspicious. Though, in some circumstances, like with native shamans who have used plants as part of a five-thousand year old tradition, I might try to accept their interpretation of their spirituality, and try my best to hold my judgments until I understood more.

So, that's why, in my church, we use drugs AND music to reach god. ;)

Though this brings up the interesting question of whether drug-induced spiritual experiences "count". It is my view that they most certainly do - if the person is convinced that s/he had a spiritual experience, I would be hesitant to try to deny that.
 
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