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Christianity working out for anyone else?

it's a perfectly valid, substantive philosophical question.

if you can't or won't answer it, that's fine. i'll draw my own conclusion.

thanks.

alasdair
 
I don't think so. I was raised Catholic and we even discussed that in religion class. The nuns suggested it was possible you would still go to heaven. I've strayed a bit ( :)) from Catholicism and I think it would be a shoo in myself. Yes, I spent the first 8 years of my education in a school uniform, the first few years of that it included knickers.

Some folks believe you can't get in with only good work but don't admit that bad works can surely keep you out.
I said nothing about good works getting you to heaven, ! It is about repentance and faith. Good works is not essential, that is Catholics we say that good things will follow as a natural course of being a Christian, good deeds are not how you get into heaven. Faith alone Grace alone and true repentance.
Catholicism is a pagan religion wrapped in a Christian veneer.
No, purgatory, no nuns, priests were done with after Christ was crucified.
Peter was never a pope he taught the Jews. Paul taught in Rome he was a citizen and read The New teatsment. Catholicism is a different religion based on works and the nonsense of their tradions.
Sola Scriptura.
Praying to dead people and angels and Mary and the dead is idolatry.
They removed the 2nd commandment the one about not worshiping idols and idolatry because they are idolators and split one of them the 9th or tenth into 2.
They butchered the Bible and It is clear how much God hates idolatry, read a real translation and the old testament. Idolatry will send you to hell if one doesn't repent of it .
Purgatory? Nonexistent. The full Latin mass. They think they can pluck Jesus from heaven turn him into a cracker and eat him? No. Once crucified and never sacrificed again.

The Pope is not a part of Christianity and is an usurper of Christ. Jesus Christ is the Rock Christianity is based on. Not Peter
 
Baptists I was educated by see it different. All that matters is acceptance of Jesus. They cherry pick verses that they take extremely literally. Catholics tend to be more open to interpretation and modern times.
Well, you know why Baptists only make love in the missionary position?

So people won't think they're dancing.



Who says you have to be a Baptist? Or claim any denomination for that matter. Only one I ever officially joined in my adult life and got the decoder ring and everything was Methodist... Catholic lite.
In all seriousness, I do like the Methodist faith. They just had a schism because some churches wanted to recognize and perform gay marriage.
They did it all very amicably and allowed all the leaving churches to keep the properties and pay them off themselves. If I know Methodists, they brought covered dishes to the schism
 
I totally agree, we cannot earn our salvation by doing good works, salvation is a result of repentance from unbelief to complete belief in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and accepting that he died on the cross for the salvation of the whole world.
Ephesians 2:8-9
God saved you by his grace when you believed, and you can't take credit for it, it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so that no one may boast.
However I do not believe that Father God, who is love, is throwing anybody into hell for an eternity.


The teaching of hell is pagan rubbish as well.

There is no such place as hell, all translations that teach the doctrine of hell have mistranslated the hebrew words gehenna and sheol and the greek hades.

Sheole means the grave, hades is the greek equivalent.

Gehenna was a burning rubbish dump.

The God I serve is not a great tormentor or a great destroyer, he is the saviour of the world.

All his discipline is corrective and redemptive.

When Jesus spoke of God's judgement upon the wicked he did so with words that implied a limited corrective punishment.

Specifically he referred to devine judgement as aionios kolasis, meaning age long chastisement.
 
I've also noticed that those are the churches that always provide free space for 12-Step meetings. I think that Jewish carpenter would approve.
You mean helping people in a good samaritan type of way? Love your fellow man? I mean we did hear that didn't we? The Good Samaritan parable is a great example of a person giving of himself to help others. I believe that is the path to what is termed as reaping the eternal rewards just as a person reaps a diploma after doing good in school. It is easy to see that is what we are suppose to do on our short time on Earth.

I totally agree, we cannot earn our salvation by doing good works, salvation is a result of repentance from unbelief to complete belief in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and accepting that he died on the cross for the salvation of the whole world.
This is a belief of mine so I will throw out an idea. Let's take someone from a country where Christianity is not dominant. If a person follows the Golden Rule and all the parables given to us by Jesus but has never been exposed to Jesus is on the correct path. Sometimes I think in religion people think well damn I can sin, cause harm, and other bad things because I believe in Jesus and he died for our sins. He died for our sins by being a human on the same journey as the rest of us and showed us the way home. He Let himself get nailed to a cross for us because humans were lost. But dying on a cross does not wipe out any of our bad actions that continue. It is following the path that was given. Love God and love your neighbor. So my belief is anyone that follows the gentle rules of life, give of themselves as they would want given is on the path. An inuit in Greenland that never gets exposed to Jesus but is a Good Samaritan and does love his fellow brothers is also on the right path. He is doing what Jesus said we should do. Actions are important. The Good Samaritan's action was presented for us to see. It was an action move.
 
I don't know the exact quote, but didn't Jesus say something to the effect of "However you treat the lowliest among you is how you are treating me" and also "Whoever is without sin let him cast the first stone" ?

Sounds like actions (& compassion) are important.
 
I don't know the exact quote, but didn't Jesus say something to the effect of "However you treat the lowliest among you is how you are treating me" and also "Whoever is without sin let him cast the first stone" ?

Sounds like actions (& compassion) are important.

I've always liked that bible verse.

"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.' "
Matthew 25:40

The other verse regards a woman caught in adultery being dragged over to him by Pharisees. He refuses to pass any judgement on her and it angers them.(they were probably just setting him up anyway)
 
You mean helping people in a good samaritan type of way? Love your fellow man? I mean we did hear that didn't we? The Good Samaritan parable is a great example of a person giving of himself to help others. I believe that is the path to what is termed as reaping the eternal rewards just as a person reaps a diploma after doing good in school. It is easy to see that is what we are suppose to do on our short time on Earth.


This is a belief of mine so I will throw out an idea. Let's take someone from a country where Christianity is not dominant. If a person follows the Golden Rule and all the parables given to us by Jesus but has never been exposed to Jesus is on the correct path. Sometimes I think in religion people think well damn I can sin, cause harm, and other bad things because I believe in Jesus and he died for our sins. He died for our sins by being a human on the same journey as the rest of us and showed us the way home. He Let himself get nailed to a cross for us because humans were lost. But dying on a cross does not wipe out any of our bad actions that continue. It is following the path that was given. Love God and love your neighbor. So my belief is anyone that follows the gentle rules of life, give of themselves as they would want given is on the path. An inuit in Greenland that never gets exposed to Jesus but is a Good Samaritan and does love his fellow brothers is also on the right path. He is doing what Jesus said we should do. Actions are important. The Good Samaritan's action was presented for us to see. It was an action move.
I hear where you are coming from, the person who has never heard the teachings of Jesus yet is following the golden rule is also fulfiling Romans 2:15.

And someone that says, I believe Jesus died for me so I can sin to my hearts content has missed the point entirely, Romans 6:1-2.

Someone who truly believes that Jesus died for them should be compelled to live no longer for themself but for him that died for him.

Of course actions are important, the parable of the good samaritan you referred to shows that we should show love for our fellow man.

In Mark chapter 12 when the pharisee is asking Jesus what the most important commandment is, he states that loving God with all his strength and understanding and loving his fellow man as himself is worth far more than all the burnt offerings and sacrifice, to which Jesus replies, you are not far from the kingdom of God.

Love is the laws fulfilment and anyone who doesn't show love to their fellow man does not know God.

If we follow the example that Jesus showed we will be happy in this life, it has been proven that forgiving is good for your mental health, holding a grudge only causes pain to ones self.

Giving is better than receiving, don't stress about tomorrow, just focus on today, so many of Jesus teachings have been proven to be good for our mental health.

A true follower of Jesus will be a peace maker, honest and should be trying to follow in the footsteps that Jesus left.

Howeverwhen it comes to our salvation, all we can do is trust in Father God and Jesus, we are not capable of saving ourselves by anything we do.

The scripture I stated in my earlier post puts it very succinctly. Ephesians 2:8-9.
When the diciples asked Jesus, who really can be saved, after Jesus had said it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God again states it very clearly.

Jesus said, with men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

I believe the day is coming when all will stand before the throne of God and all ambiguity will be removed, there will be no more unanswered questions.
The spirit and the bride keep saying, come, let anyone who wishes take lifes water free, we all are children of God and in God's time and order all will be saved.

The only way to be saved is to accept that Jesus is God's only begotten son and that he died on the cross for the salvation of all.

I believe we will all come to this realization...some will come willingly...some will take more convincing...and some will be dragged kicking and screaming...but in the end all will accept Jesus and be save.

Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth. And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is lord to the glory of God the father.
 
Christians
To be clear, I'm referring to the self-proclaimed (alleged) Christians who really put the  Hypocrisy in Jesus H. Christ by espousing hateful & violent far-right ideologies.

As a former Christian who has studied the New Testament, I am baffled by these folks. Jesus himself reserved his harshest criticism for hypocrites.
 
I was wearing a black Jesus Is My Boss hat in a Defense Intelligence Agency trench coat from a thrift store had to be the veteran's one then I tried reading the Bible recently you don't want to know the details of the years in between lol
i do.
because i always wondered why people get to eventually read the bible or turn to christianity.
i even made once a thread asking that, but i guess i got the title wrong or people didn't get what i wanted to know.
 
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