Misc Chloral Hydrate - Recreational? What does it smell like?

[cdin]

Just as an update, I took ~350mg of chloral hydrate 4 days ago as I was having a lot of trouble getting to sleep. I'd had a few drinks prior and 1mg of clonazepam however after 30 mins of lying in bed I just couldn't sleep. I tried 25mg of promethazine and was still wide awake 40 minutes later.
After taking roughly 350mg (I weighed it out to be about 370mg but didn't consume all of it) I lay down and felt an almost immediate rush from the chloral. I fell asleep within 10 minutes but those 5-10 minutes felt quite good.
I was pretty drowsy and groggy the day after but it does feel like it has some recreational potential, it's just not the same as benzos/barbs. However it's (by far) a better sedative/hypnotic than the sedative antihistamines.
I feel it's place in pharmacy is well earned. It's definitely not a first line drug and I probably wouldn't say it's a recreational drug (at least on it's own or in low doses) but it definitely has a use and I guess that's why it still hasn't been totally superceded by newer drugs like benzos.

Given the fact that tolerance (supposedly) builds up after more than one day of concurrent use and dependence mimics alcohol withdrawal (and can happen in a week or just more) I definitely wouldn't use it more than two times a week with a 4-5 day break in between but if I just can't get to sleep it's something I would use. It does seem to have a place as a hypnotic however, though it's probably best used when you don't have to do anything the day after which is probably why it's used in surgery, pediatric medicine and in rehab; people in those situations don't need to wake up early and go to work.

that tolerance/wd cycle is terrifying. Everything i have read suggests it just fucks the GABA system with incredible speed. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, but I get DTs/shakes day after from 4 beers now so

 

[entheologian]

Smells like pine air freshener to me, with chlorine aswell

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Dangerous too other than the rapid dependence it can cause. I wonder what the mechanism for this is, as benzos can be taken for several weeks before the body becomes too used to them.

 

[daturetard]

Years ago I made some chloral hydrate out of trichloroethylene. The final product has a very sharp, sweet smell, not a good sweet, sort of sickly sweet. The taste was bad, definitely like something you shouldn't be ingesting.

Unfortunately the effects themselves are very hazy to me, I was taking alot of benzos at the time, and I feel like I never experience the true effect of a drug when I'm on benzos. Similarly, I've taken some psychedelics, for instance 2-CT-7 and 2-CT-2, while on benzos and I feel like I can't really comment on their effects since the experience was so hazy and distant to me when I was under their influence.

I think I just went to sleep after taking the chloral hydrate I made, I don't recall what the actual effect even felt like. I probably never even felt an effect, just passed out. I only sampled it a few times because I wasn't so confident that what I made was safe to consume. Using TCE avoids some of the danger of the more common method of making chloral hydrate (which involves a fair amount of lung dissolving chlorine gas) but the TCE I used was hardly lab grade.

In short I can't really comment on its effects but it smelled sweet, but sharper and not as pleasant as ether, chloroform or halothane (instead of throwing them away I used to abscond with the mostly empty bottles of halothane when I worked at an animal hospital).

Hey, I know this is an old thread, but is there a link you can send me on the synthesis from tce? Seems easier than the chloroform route. Thank you !

 

[4DQSAR]

I can do no better than to describe the pure material as acrid - but offputting may be more appropriate. But decomposition products can give hints of that classic 'halogen' smell and with odour being objective, people will associate with more common things.

Chloral is quite a common solvent so if you obtain chloral hydrate, be aware that the chloral used in it's production may well not be of medical grade and even the act of producing chloral hydrate can result in more impurities.

 

[pcplease]

i wonder if it is a solvent used for pyros- they all smell like bleach/semen

 

[4DQSAR]

i wonder if it is a solvent used for pyros- they all smell like bleach/semen

I don't know quite what you refer to. Pyrovalerone homologues? Because the truth is, it's very hard for two people to agree on what something may smell similar to.

I imagine chloronated hydrocarbons would be used and that those would likely be industrial grade as opposed to synthesis grade so who knows what ends up in a given batch of a given RC whose structure may not be 'as advertized'. So many unknowns.

 

[pcplease]

yes pyrovaleronees- MDPHiP, aphihp, apcycp, 3f-pihp commonly a little wet and if wet than has a strong, unanimous smell of bleach/semen. dry powder might be fine, and i have never vaporized them but reportedly all that it tastes like that smell, and binges lead to smelling overwhelmingly like it. IN suffered the same but was mixed into my cocaine when i dabbled w/ those a few years ago

 

[4DQSAR]

yes pyrovaleronees- MDPHiP, aphihp, apcycp, 3f-pihp commonly a little wet and if wet than has a strong, unanimous smell of bleach/semen. dry powder might be fine, and i have never vaporized them but reportedly all that it tastes like that smell, and binges lead to smelling overwhelmingly like it. IN suffered the same but was mixed into my cocaine when i dabbled w/ those a few years ago

Well they are mostly in the form of their hydrochloride salts and if the salting was carried out in a chlorinated hydrocarbon solvent (of industrial grade) such a DCM, there will certainly be higher chlorinated hydrocarbons which likely wouldn't be removed by drying - I doubt these people distil off the solvent, add a minimal quantity of ethanol and distil again to ensure all of the chlorinated hydrocarbons are removed. I mean, it's a guess as I've never even seen that stuff - but I am learning that for the Chinese, 'accepted by the market' is the quality they aspire for at the lowest possible cost.

 

[pcplease]

Well they are mostly in the form of their hydrochloride salts and if the salting was carried out in a chlorinated hydrocarbon solvent (of industrial grade) such a DCM, there will certainly be higher chlorinated hydrocarbons which likely wouldn't be removed by drying - I doubt these people distil off the solvent, add a minimal quantity of ethanol and distil again to ensure all of the chlorinated hydrocarbons are removed. I mean, it's a guess as I've never even seen that stuff - but I am learning that for the Chinese, 'accepted by the market' is the quality they aspire for at the lowest possible cost.

to say the least. but thank you for well explaining this about pyros. nasty chems all around

 

[4DQSAR]

If you ever want to stop taking drugs - go see a drugs lab.

Honestly, I've seen some truly scary things. Something falls into the product... give it a good stir. I'm not joking, that happened.