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China's Wide-reaching Ban on RC Production & Export

Surely the because of supply and demand the more popular chems like some 2c's and maybe mxe will be produced elsewhere and all the shitty/dangerous chems will completely disappear. id also guess the ban would increase the demand for the common illegal chems which is a plus as most seem to be better studied and more effective anyway.
 
headfuck123 said:
Surely the because of supply and demand the more popular chems like some 2c's and maybe mxe will be produced elsewhere and all the shitty/dangerous chems will completely disappear. id also guess the ban would increase the demand for the common illegal chems which is a plus as most seem to be better studied and more effective anyway.
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MXE's going? But thrre are people here who like that n use it to help them get off other drugs. That's a shsme :(

Evey
 
It was reported on the news yesterday that there has been more ambulance call outs in the last year than ever before in the UK for legal-high drug related incidents. This can only be as a direct result of the harms the government is doing by banning more and more substances, leading to the creation of ever more unknown and untested compounds. I also heard that they are going to bring forward the date of the blanket ban. :| I dont know the new date yet.

I agree about the synthetic cannabinoids Stee, they are far more dangerous than 'the real thing.' Both psychologically and physically. Also the risk of taking too much is extremely high as if you get a batch of "blend" thats full of concentrated noid powder hotspots you literally only need three or 4 grains of the sprayed plant material as i found when Spice was first released as the first generation of synthetic noids. I have found that the only way that i can enjoy their positive effects (an enhancement of music to another level of 'hearing things in the music you never heard before' with the semi-psychedelic musical perceptions it allows) by predosing with GBL. That seems to completely elminate all anxieties for me in a way that even benzos cant. Otherwise the noids put me in a dreadful racing-thoughts, paranoid 'over thinking and over analysing' everything state of mind, until it becomes almost painful. This is the exact opposite of what these things were originally enjoyed for, ie helping you to chill out.
 
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the Prime Minister, pig molester that he is, smoked weed and did cocaine in his youth. So why the fuck should anyone expect to take their laws seriously? Utter hippocrisy and dangerous moralistic purtanism. Putting morals and daily mail headlines before peoples lives.

These fuckers need to be removed from power.
 
^ That.

mydrugbuddy said:
It was reported on the news yesterday that there has been more ambulance call outs in the last year than ever before in the UK for legal-high drug related incidents. This can only be as a direct result of the harms the government is doing by banning more and more substances, leading to the creation of ever more unknown and untested compounds.
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If they didn't make a point of focussing on the least harmful things to ban initially then how would they generate enough hysteria and cause enough harm to give the impression that all drugs are dangerous so there's no need to even consider proper testing and trials to create a regulated 'safe' (or at least no more dangerous than many other legally available chemical substances) legal market?
 
We do get dozens of callous for legal high related incidents but a big problem is most paramedics have Never heard of most of the compounds involved. I it's only my viewing and participation in BL that gives me even half a clue but as you may imagine most Paramedics and doctors don't read bluelight
 
Indeed. I had a look on some Chinese RC sites the other night after reading this. Alphabet soup, all of it. One site still had MXE listed but probably wasn't shipping it the rest was a mash up of Nbomes and nasty meph replacements.

Is MXE dead then? Shame it was one of few that had some potential to heal.
 
Yep mxe was the safest of these drugs I ever tried, ther are only 6 deaths in the uk attributed to it, 3 were caused by drowning while on mxe, and 3 were polydrug abusers full of other drugs.

It was one of the most therapeutic drugs I tried and did wonders for my depression. Absolutely insane to single it out for a global ban. It should be under investigation as a therapeutic in psychiatric research but that is hopeless now the law has bowed down to the pressure of the tabloid press pack.

Makes me furious.
 
2c-xx dissapointing.

Fortunately, in a few years there'll be hundreds of new drugs to replace these. Some can be synthed in the UK or Europe, we won't need China. Maybe labs for 2c-xx will set up in Burma or North Korea? Where there's demand, there's supply. What has China done to reduce global demand for drugs? errrr not a lot... Head's up folks, the future is rushing towards us! =D
 
Ceres said:
Yep mxe was the safest of these drugs I ever tried, ther are only 6 deaths in the uk attributed to it, 3 were caused by drowning while on mxe, and 3 were polydrug abusers full of other drugs.

It was one of the most therapeutic drugs I tried and did wonders for my depression. Absolutely insane to single it out for a global ban. It should be under investigation as a therapeutic in psychiatric research but that is hopeless now the law has bowed down to the pressure of the tabloid press pack.

Makes me furious.
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i think those 2 guys who died in canterbury actually thought it was ket, that's the rumour that was going around canterbury
 
A-pvp and Pentedrone will be greatly missed.. Hope I can find a new reliable Supplier/Vendor because as of October 1st 2015 my Suppliers/Vendors nolonger supply these two RC's ):
 
yoyo50 said:
i think those 2 guys who died in canterbury actually thought it was ket, that's the rumour that was going around canterbury
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that would explain a lot if they railed a couple of ket dose size lines of mxe. probably walking around totally unaware of what was going on around them.
 
englandgz74 said:
We do get dozens of callous for legal high related incidents but a big problem is most paramedics have Never heard of most of the compounds involved. I it's only my viewing and participation in BL that gives me even half a clue but as you may imagine most Paramedics and doctors don't read bluelight
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I imagin (from my own experience happening to me twice) a lot of those callouts will be due to panic attacks and end up getting treated with 5 or 10mg diaz and a 24 hour stay drinking cups of tea before being sent home to face extremely worried family members.

Most of the doctors in a&e will not have heard of these either (altho it is starting to improve compared to the situation in 2009/20010/2011 )or have any idea what the people have actually taken, it is really worring that some patients get the imediate treament on admission to acute units based on google, wikipedia and a lot of very, very hurriedly made judgement calls that could have huge implications for the recovery or the patient.

Ultimately I think end users of these drugs need to have a reliable source, be as informed as possible about all the risks surrounding what they are about ingest, in order to be safest and avoid getting ambulance callouts and hospital stays in the first place.
 
We don't usually treat panic attacks with diaz as a rule. Only grand mal seizures lasting more than 5 minutes in which case it's 5mg of diaz up the poop shoot and once a line is established 5-10mg IV diaz if the seizure hasn't stopped. Panic attacks usually get a brown bag to breath in and a bit of calming down talk. The problem is that diaz, midaz, ketamine and morphine are issued to the individual paramedic and their use has to be accounted for and if it's not on the list of approved uses then your in trouble. All other drugs are issued to the vehicle not the individual and aren't as tightly monitored...

Incidentally the meds management woman who you have to hand your CD book to and who gives you your morphine etc. hates my guts for some reason but then again she looks like Olive off 'On the busses' ........ So that's karma for you :)
 
Yeah the panic attacks i had, the first thing they did in the ambulance was put me on oxygen and talk me down, getting me the slower deep breathing and telling me my vitals were looking ok just raised heart rate and by the time I had got to A&E I already felt a lot lot better. It was once I was admitted to the hospital that A&E doctors gave me the diaz after confirming I hadn't drunk any alcohol in the past few hours.
 
Yeah the doctors once you get to A&E have a lot more leeway in terms of what they can give. After all they have a lot more training and (hopefully) know what they are doing.

Incidentally Ceres I sent you a PM the other day about the lack of response to the email I sent our clinical director but it wouldn't send as it said your inbox was full.
Edit... Seems odd they gave you O2 if you were already hyperventilating. Unless you weren't hyperventilating and you sats were <94%. It may have been 6ltrs/minute through a venturi mask perhaps. Unless someone does have low O2 sats then just calming them down works as well as anything. I used to get panic attacks myself years ago and it's really unnerving when you think you can't breath. It's terrifying in fact.
 
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