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China is greatly concerning. They've taken their first really big move (IMO) by passing their legislation against Hong KOng, essentially retaking it and silencing any dissent. I heard an interview with a lady in Hong Kong on NPR, she was risking being "disappeared" by saying this, but she said every nation should be worried about this because they aren't going to stop. China holds allof the major chokepoints of the world's economy besides the Panana Canal, and their administration is really smart. The next few decades are going to be interesting...
 
There is absolutely nothing stopping the USA getting off its fat ass and competing all those fields,
Apart from the inherent laziness corruption and inefficiency of a country infected with an over powerful financial sector.

Stop looking at China and bleating about how somehow it isn't fair, step up and compete.

The USA has squandered its lead in almost every field apart from hubris, thrown away the advantage of reserve currency and geopolitical security and finds itself in a spiral of decline. You cannot stay rich, dumb getting weaker indefinitely, someone wll come and eat your lunch. So it goes. Smart money is hedging accordingly.

HK is being used as a stick to beat China by the Anglos, it is an open secret that most of the protests are funded and backed by those same wonderful arms length organizations and NGOs that caused shit in Ukraine, in Venezuela and elsewhere.
A bit of history, for over quarter of a century Legco in HK has not put in place a security policy which allowed the autonomous region under one nation 2 systems to work. This is something Legco were obliged to do and agreed to do but in order to appease HK independence blowhards Legco didn't do it. There is not significant support for independence for HK, and even if there was it would only be the Island not the New territories that were just leased from China anyway. without the new territories HK island cannot function.

For a long time China turned a blind eye, but more recently the Chinese government has lost some of its tolerance. Nobody seems very clear what the 'democracy protesters' want, just like the Maidan protesters in Kiev...China is not going to allow Anglo agitators to pull the same stunt in HK.

To be clear HK Island was stolen from the Chinese by the British as a consequence of the Opium wars, HK is part of China and this is a Chinese internal matter to be sorted out between HK and Beijing, the UK and US would be well advised to sort out their own broken countries before getting involved in sorting out some other countries problems.

Tibet is not in the news, but on Tibet China most certainly no legitimate claim but Tibet is never going to be independent again. It was dubious deals with the British and external agitation that ultimately lead to China properly annexing Tibet, in 1959. So history doesn't bode well for interfering with HK.

It is foolish to try and create a new cold war, and a new divided world between Orwells' Oceania, East Asia and Eurasia, East Asia will ally with Eurasia or Eurasia will stay non aligned, either way Oceania loses what little it still has.

The Chinese didn't take US blue colllar workers' jobs, financially connected insider elites took US blue collar workers jobs and gave them to China so they, the financial elites, could profit. Until people recognise where the problem actually lies they cannot fix it.

Now back to our regular scheduled broadcast.....China bad mkay, Russia bad mkay, China bad mkay, Russia bad mkay, Corona deadly mkay, BLM good mkay China bad mkay, Russia bad mkay, China bad mkay, Russia bad mkay, Corona deadly mkay, BLM good mkay
 
China is greatly concerning. They've taken their first really big move (IMO) by passing their legislation against Hong KOng, essentially retaking it and silencing any dissent. I heard an interview with a lady in Hong Kong on NPR, she was risking being "disappeared" by saying this, but she said every nation should be worried about this because they aren't going to stop. China holds allof the major chokepoints of the world's economy besides the Panana Canal, and their administration is really smart. The next few decades are going to be interesting...
from memory..
1950 Invasion Korea
1959 annexation Tibet
1960s ejection of the Kuomintang from Burma
1979 invasion Vietnam

Ah this HK thing is new! a radical departure that everyone needs to fear........be afraid of China proles.

and on and on. so far the China tally is way short of that of the USA. For once the USA is a winner.

This incessant China fear is boring propaganda and not based in fact even if NPR and BBC dole out this as true. It is a perfect example of projection. The center of gravity of the world economy is shifting east like it or not but the US-UK is running its old old playbook by trying to break other peoples shit so that the US-Uk shit is the least broken shit in the world. That only works if your shit isn't broken to start with and can resist the attrition of fighting a new cold war.
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some people all of the time but you cannot fool all the people all of the time.

Often much insight can be gotten by standing in another persons shoes and looking at things from their perspective, it makes the world far more complex but often more predictable. NPR BBC VoA and WaPo gives the elite controlled propaganda perspective but this is far from the whole truth.

All the major chokepoints of the world economy?? you are joking right? Does China control choke points like the Striat of Malacca or the Strait of Hormuz, the Suez Canal or the Federal Reserve Bank of NY or SWIFT? the answer is no.
 
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There is absolutely nothing stopping the USA getting off its fat ass and competing all those fields,
Apart from the inherent laziness corruption and inefficiency of a country infected with an over powerful financial sector.

Stop looking at China and bleating about how somehow it isn't fair, step up and compete.

The USA has squandered its lead in almost every field

Fully agree. The question is WHEN will we have a leader capable, and see it happening? This could be the national rally point that the cold war was, or being first to the moon. Instead, we're fat and lazy, and wait for someone else to solve our problems.
 
australia is now investing 270 billion dollars into offensive military hardware to combat china. Australian governmment is planning for a major show down with china in the next 20 years and warns of the post covid world. Major pacts been signed with india and other asian countries incase of chinas agression.

China is literally nazi germany 2.0 that is going to have to be dealt with before at least 2050. I wonder how a major world war vs china would play out xijping would probably try nuke japan south korea and india and australia if they were facing a loss. Nato and american forces probably close to 3-5 million troops dead invading china? probably total causalities 300 million to a billion dead if it goes nuclear.

I think the russians would stay out of the war for their good. Every country is getting alot more nervous about china true intentions they have already committed genocide and organ harvesting on up to 100 million + people and replaced them with han chinese. Evenutally the world is going to need to reboot china free the people then the world can get on hopefully to becoming a much greater place. Should of invaded china on a mass scale way back in the 70s to show them whats up for the vietnam war and korean war when they were alot weaker.
 
Russia would support China's efforts so long as it aligned with and supported Russia's goals of disrupting the rest of the free world. They would not, however, do so in a way that is public and may cost them, but they would certainly support China's efforts.
 
An interesting, personalized take on the horrific treatment/genocide being meted out by the malignant regime in Beijing against the Uighur population in China:


The 'perfect Uighur': outgoing and hard working – but still not safe from China's camps

Beijing claims its re-education camps in Xinjiang are needed to combat Islamic terrorism, but Dilara’s experiences tell a different story

By the standards of Chinese officialdom, Dilara is surely the perfect minority. She doesn’t wear a headscarf. She drinks beer. Pretty and outgoing, she socialises often with Chinese friends.

If you closed your eyes and heard her speak Mandarin, you would never guess she had greenish eyes and brown hair, that she isn’t Han – the dominant ethnic group in China – but Uighur, a Muslim, Turkic-speaking people who call Xinjiang province, in the far west of China, their homeland.

In fact, Dilara’s entire family are model citizens. Her parents are also fluent Chinese speakers – slightly unusual for Uighurs of their generation. During the 1990s, they were among the only Uighurs working at a big, state-owned utility in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang. Her mother had landed the coveted position because she was the top student at her school, which was almost entirely Han. Dilara grew up amongst Han Chinese, in a modern apartment complex in a desirable part of town. Like her mother, she was the top student in school, and attended a prestigious university on China’s east coast.

But then Dilara made a mistake. She moved to Turkeywith her husband in 2015. Her mother came to visit, staying a year to help care for their newborn baby. When her mother returned to China in early 2018, she was told she needed “education”. Her passport was confiscated and she was imprisoned in an internment camp for nearly a year.

“All of my Uighur friends in Turkey have family members in the camps,” Dilara said.


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Recently they attacked Indian soldiers at the line of actual control in the border area 20 Indian soldiers died and china did not release its dead estimations of 35 or 43 of theirs died. It has problems will all its neighbours claims nearly all the south china sea .War is inevitable this has been their plan build up the economy and start salami slicing of its borders. Its sees itself as the king of Asia war with the west will happen soon no way will the US and the west will sit by and let it continue. If anyone wants more information about this to check the galwan clash on the pretext of moving its soldiers back from what India perceives as it territory it attacked an Indian patrol that went to cheak to see if they were complying with what they had said at a meeting of core commanders from both countries. They attacked with iron rods studded with nails reason being for 40 years the border patrols of both nations made the patrols unarmed to maintain peace. The border is called the line of actual control because the border has not been set yet. This will be the next world war between china and its allies and the west and their allies. TO see hoew ridiculous their claims on others land cheak what part of the south china sea they claim they have imperial dreams
 
US orders Chinese Consulate in Houston to close, fire spotted in courtyard hours later


Hours after the United States ordered the closure of the Consulate General of China in Houston on Tuesday, witnesses spotted workers burning papers in the courtyard.

Firefighters said they could smell smoke and saw something burning in barrels, the Houston Chronicle reported. However, firefighters were not granted access to the building.

"All I know, it's illegal to have open burning in the city of Houston like that," Houston Fire Chief Samuel Peña said. "But it's a sovereign country, and we can't get access into those consulates so we're limited in what we can do."

The U.S. said in a statement that it ordered the closure of the Consulate "to protect American intellectual property and American's private information." State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus said the closure was due to "unfair trade practices, theft of American jobs, and other egregious behavior," the Associated Press reports. It is unclear why the Houston consulate specifically was ordered to close.


The Chinese government has strongly condemned the closure and warned of countermeasures against the U.S. if the decision was not reversed.

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Another article that won't let me quote-link is indicating we have 5 US Consulate locations in China. I'd expect them to be kicked out in retaliation.
 
Another aspect of the consulate closing pettiness is the diplomatic spat has also got something to do with the Chinese insisting that the brave American diplomats and their families, several thousand of them, who were in China in January and February, who heroically ran away from Covid back to the homeland probably (almost certainly) carrying SARS-CoV-2 to the USA will have to quarantine on return to China from the USA. The USA has endemic Covid and China for the moment doesn't and people, diplomats included, have to quarantine on entry to China.

Apparently countries asking US diplomats not to kill the locals is beyond the pale for the US regime. As is not driving on the wrong side of the highway killing a motorcyclist, just ask Anne Sacoolas for an explanation of why this is so.
 
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Another article that won't let me quote-link is indicating we have 5 US Consulate locations in China. I'd expect them to be kicked out in retaliation.

Consulates seem to be a big thing atm:


China defies court order over building of wall at Belfast consulate

Embassy in London claims construction project is covered by diplomatic immunity

A row over the construction of a wall at the Chinese consulate in Belfast has escalated after China said it would ignore a legal order to temporarily halt the work.

A letter from lawyers for the Chinese embassy in London to residents objecting to the security wall said diplomatic staff did not recognise the jurisdiction of courts in Northern Ireland.

Martin McBurney, who lives facing China’s consulate in the salubrious Malone area of the city, won an injunction aimed at stopping the building work two weeks ago, but the work has continued this week.

The consulate opened five years ago, and the work to fortify the exterior wall began in February. Builders were flown in from China for the project and they have worked at the site throughout the coronavirus crisis.


 
xijping will be the 3rd most evil man to walk the earth after Hitler and Stalin. The day china is liberated from this dictatorship and given democracy the world be better but its going to come at a major cost.
 
xijping will be the 3rd most evil man to walk the earth after Hitler and Stalin. The day china is liberated from this dictatorship and given democracy the world be better but its going to come at a major cost.

If you are going to throw sinophobic 5 eye propaganda fuellled nonsense get the guys name right, it is Xi Jinping.
so where does Pol Pot fit in your swivel eyed list? or King Leopold?

Chinas' internal politics are their business, not yours.
Likewise NZs internal politics are for the NZers, luckily for NZ no one cares about an irrelevent junior member of the 5 eyes (including all the other 5 eyes)
 
Chinas' internal politics are their business, not yours

Eh, China's internal politics, just like NZ's, are everyone's business to talk about, and certainly not the preserve of anyone in particular. Having said that, I'm not quite sure how Xi Jinping makes the list as the 3rd most evil man to walk the earth. Is there a reliable evil-o-meter we can turn to for some stats @TripSitterNZ ? ;)
 
"Likely Supply Chain Impacts of Three Gorges Failing"

(Thread Reader link for those who aren't on Twitter)



some key points from the twitter thread:

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CCP officials are downplaying risk, because that's what they do.

Now to the point of this thread - extrapolating the geopolitical/supply chain impact of failure of Three Gorges Dam.
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313km downriver from the dam sits Wuhan at the border of the Lower Reach.

It's the most important interior city in China and a critical military, manufacturing, and tech hub.

The Port of Wuhan handles more than 1.5 mil containers/year, 50% more than Chongqing.

Wuhan's Tianhe airport serviced more than 24 million passenger in 2018, and a little more than 220K MT of air cargo (equivalent to about 2,000 747's).

It's also the PPE hub of China.

So, let's divert for a moment to what happens downriver if the Three Gorges Dam fails.

A 100m-tall wall of water will rush out at more than 100 km/hr.

In 30 minutes, Yichang and its 4 million residents will be engulfed.

Zero+1 hour, Jingzhou and 5.7 million people will be swept away.

Zero+5, the major industrial city of Yueyang (5.5 mil people) will sit 5m underwater.

Zero+10 hours, Wuhan (11 mil people) will face flooding of 6-8m in all major industrial and port zones.

Zero+15 hours, Jiujiang (another major PPE hub with 4.7 mil residents) will be hit with several meters of flooding. All cropland and infrastructure will be flooded and damaged.

Zero+24 hours, Shanghai's neighboring city of Nanjing will see its port crippled.
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In simple terms, the Yangtze River logistics and manufacturing complex comprises 46% of the volume of the largest port on earth, since all cargo flows through Shanghai.

Failure of the Three Gorges Dam would annihilate the entire logistics infrastructure of central China.

The Yangtze River east of the dam bases many PLA anti-air, ballistic missile, and PLA Air Force assets.

Several entities (Taiwan included) have speculated openly about the ability to strike the dam with missiles and cause massive downstream devastation.
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The Yangtze River Economic Basin has a GDP of more than $6.5 trillion, or about half of all China's GDP.

Recall, China represents 28% of all manufacturing output - globally. More than half of that is in the YREB.

15% of the world's production would go offline in 24 hours.
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The lingering health effects associated with so many dead or sick from the flooding will crush the already-strained health services in the region, which are still trying to recover as the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic.

And...it gets worse.

It's the habit of authoritarian regimes to deflect from domestic disasters by lashing outward to external enemies or entities.
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Many companies in Europe and North America still recovering from the supply chain shock earlier this year will close down, ratcheting up anti-CCP sentiment further.

All of these factors combined will nearly guarantee open conflict between the US and China.
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So what does a failure of the Three Gorges Dam look like?

It would be among the most horrific humanitarian crises in memory, triggering a cascade effect of famine, war, and economic depression that will threaten global peace.

The nut of it = 3 Gorges Dam was an incredible feat for China, propelling it to the top tier of players on the global stage. It is now failing, and without any action from outside countries (read America) it may indeed fail soon. This will be hugely devastating to the nation of China in terms of loss of human lives and humanitarian aid. Second to that, it will buckle global trade, and China may lash out (again, read America), leading us closer to a hot war.
 
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Eh, China's internal politics, just like NZ's, are everyone's business to talk about, and certainly not the preserve of anyone in particular. Having said that, I'm not quite sure how Xi Jinping makes the list as the 3rd most evil man to walk the earth. Is there a reliable evil-o-meter we can turn to for some stats @TripSitterNZ ? ;)
phrases like 'liberated from this dictatorship and given democracy' doesn't imply just talk does it?
 
It's hard to not come to the conclusion that China's administration is not morally reprehensible and frightening when you look at what's happening in terms of ethnic cleansing they're doing, complete with concentration camps, right now. Call me crazy, but an expansionist, enormously influential and powerful government which is actively cleansing a portion of its own people is something to be concerned about for the rest of the world. China's business is something we should definitely be talking about.
 
It's hard to not come to the conclusion that China's Israel's administration is not morally reprehensible and frightening when you look at what's happening in terms of ethnic cleansing they're doing, complete with concentration camps, right now. Call me crazy, but an expansionist, enormously influential and powerful government which is actively cleansing a portion of its own people is something to be concerned about for the rest of the world. China's Israel's business is something we should definitely be talking about.

see? which is why the internal operation of China is China's business as is the internal politics of any soveriegn state.
 
The nut of it = 3 Gorges Dam was an incredible feat for China, propelling it to the top tier of players on the global stage. It is now failing, and without any action from outside countries (read America) it may indeed fail soon. This will be hugely devastating to the nation of China in terms of loss of human lives and humanitarian aid. Second to that, it will buckle global trade, and China may lash out (again, read America), leading us closer to a hot war.

I guess the US has much experience of duct taping poorly constructed collapsing dams back together....
A wealth of knowledge that could help the Chinese, if indeed you think the three gorges dam is in imminent danger of collapsing, hell the concrete hasn't even set yet.

The only way a hot war with the USA and China will occur is if the US attacks the Chinese artificial islands, the US may try to provoke China and antagonize China but the Chinese like the Iranians are likely smart enough to ignore it, wait and let the USA bleed out. Avoid Thucydides trap, because in the long run the outcome is exactly the same but a lot of suffering is avoided.

People will continue to work with the Chinese and the Koreans and the Taiwanese those countries are going forwards, The USA can too but it needs to stop petulantly stomping around breaking other peoples shit, whilst falling apart itself. the days of the US Hegemon and Unipolar world are well and truly over, the last people to realize it seems to be the Americans, and they are the ones who will suffer and pay for their short sighted politicians' lack of strategic thinking. Eurasia will happen whether Oceania likes it or not.

The USA with a positive vision and direction is a powerful and noble force for good, equally it is a highly destructive force when it is badly flailing, reacting, without any sense of what it is, what it stands for and what it will be in the future. The US needs to pull not push. I still think the USA can be a shining city on a hill, but it needs to turn from its current trajectory. I still have faith in the American people.

That comes down to individual Americans, the politicians of all flavors have sold you out time and time again. They are currently pissing on American heads and telling them it's raining.
 
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see? which is why the internal operation of China is China's business as is the internal politics of any soveriegn state.

I also think Israel's business is the business of everyone. I'm not sure if you're implying I support Israel's actions in modern times, I don't for the record. I don't support my own country's actions in much of the world either, in modern times.

The point I was trying to make is that we should all be nervous about China, as they are the most powerful country in the world, they control almost all of the major economic choke points, and they have their eye on expansion and have begun already. And if they're willing to stick an ethnic minority into concentration camps in their own country, who knows what they're willing to do to the rest of the world's cultures who don't fall in line?
 
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