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Chief of filth - "Time to end the war on drugs"

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Ismene

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Nice I suppose, but you wish he'd stop persecuting people he doesn't even believe should be persecuted. As Cool Hand Luke said "Callin it your job don't make it right".

One of England's most senior police officers has called for class-A drugs to be decriminalised and for the policy of outright prohibition to be radically revised.

In a dramatic move that will reignite the debate over the so-called war on drugs, Mike Barton, Durham's chief constable, has suggested that the NHS could supply drugs to addicts, breaking the monopoly and income stream of criminal gangs.

Comparing drugs prohibition to the ban on alcohol in 1920s America that gave rise to Al Capone and the mafia, Barton argues that criminalising the trade in drugs has put billions of pounds into the pockets of criminal gangs.

Writing in the Observer, Barton said: "If an addict were able to access drugs via the NHS or something similar, then they would not have to go out and buy illegal drugs. Buying or being treated with, say, diamorphine is cheap. It's cheap to produce it therapeutically.

"Not all crime gangs raise income through selling drugs, but most of them do in my experience. So offering an alternative route of supply to users cuts their income stream off.

"What I am saying is that drugs should be controlled. They should not, of course, be freely available," Barton wrote.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/28/time-end-war-drugs-uk-police-chief
 
Make possession legal, legalize and tax certain drugs

all drugs shouldnt be legalized, that would be crazy. people need educating
 
ColtDan said:
Make possession legal, legalize and tax certain drugs

all drugs shouldnt be legalized, that would be crazy. people need educating
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So you propose to legalise some (more) drugs and keep other drugs illegal. Which drugs do you think should remain illegal?
 
First serving Chief Cunt to call for decriminalisation. Give the man a break Issy. Or have I awoken all liberal today? Apologies if it's me.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
First serving Chief Cunt to call for decriminalisation. Give the man a break Issy. Or have I awoken all liberal today? Apologies if it's me.
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Seriously man, I might be stoned but this is one step forward for sure.

Well, until they chuck him out of the force in disgrace on some trumped up charge in 18 months. ;)
 
And here i was thinking the thread title was about closing down sr. :-)
Meh. Just because someone says something rarely does it translate to actual change. Mopree media scandals and it will probably die out in a few days
 
Too many people are benefitting from the present situation. The only (*) way I can see decriminalisation happening is when an outgoing government know they are totally unreelectable, and start passing laws with the sole intention of making it difficult for the next lot into power.

Unfortunately, the improvement it would bring would invariably be credited to the incoming government; making the outgoing party even less likely to get re-elected in future.

(*) Except as a counterbalance to some really egregious blow to human rights, and I'd rather not go there. Don't want to give them ideas.
 
Too much money being made. Never gonna happen imo.

Money laundering... Banks... Jails... Etc etc

Don't know fuck all about politics but surely the yanks went into Afghanistan to get the heroin back up and running... no?

Fuck.. I'd love to know what really goes on.
 
but then there's the public opinion. they just talk shit to get paid. Last night at work the girl i work with called her mom over to show her a pair of "druggies " look at them, they just look like druggies. i sid they don't look too healthy. yeha, they're just a pair of druggies. they didn't look like bad peopl,e but that is what your up against, this mentality of drugz is drugz is bad. Little do they know about me. They really like me these folk i work for. It scares me to be honest how some people i know would take it if they knew. There are others I know that know about what I do. It' ignorance and blissfulignorance that gets me down. am i too live and let live?
 
Theoretically at least the legalisation of drugs (all drugs, which is the only correct logical approach) is only going to come from a Tory government. The state's interference in people's lives, which is what the war on drugs is, is in direct contradiction to traditional lasses-faire conservatism. But the mainstream of the party is politically tied up with arse-licking the USA. Only when the more libertarian wing of the Tories got the upper hand would such an event have a chance of happening (outside of wider global effects intervening first). Yeah yeah, I said theoretical.

Labour will never legalize drugs. They believe in nanny state interference, the state knows best, top down approach. When it comes to a social security system it's a great idea, but socialism applies the theory across its whole ideology, which is why they'll never trust the individual to be able to be responsible for his/her own life and choices. Labour are the party least likely to ever listen to and be persuaded by public opinion.

If you want control over your own life, full legalisation is the only policy.
 
Arn't Labour the only party who've ever downgraded a drug tho? Granted they moved it back up to class B shortly afterwards.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Theoretically at least the legalisation of drugs (all drugs, which is the only correct logical approach) is only going to come from a Tory government. The state's interference in people's lives, which is what the war on drugs is, is in direct contradiction to traditional lasses-faire conservatism. But the mainstream of the party is politically tied up with arse-licking the USA. Only when the more libertarian wing of the Tories got the upper hand would such an event have a chance of happening (outside of wider global effects intervening first). Yeah yeah, I said theoretical.

Labour will never legalize drugs. They believe in nanny state interference, the state knows best, top down approach. When it comes to a social security system it's a great idea, but socialism applies the theory across its whole ideology, which is why they'll never trust the individual to be able to be responsible for his/her own life and choices. Labour are the party least likely to ever listen to and be persuaded by public opinion.

If you want control over your own life, full legalisation is the only policy.
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Nah, there is no laissez-faire conservatism. It's laissons-faire, "we'll do what we like".

The Nuclear Family? Back to Basics? Common Sense? The "good" old days? Queen, church and country? That's the tories. Their message for us.

Well, labour too!

The Liberals, on the other hand; I did once think they might be the party who would give legalisation a go. Those illusions went with the rest.
 
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Best Liberal campaign I ever heard about was when Simon Hughes took on Peter Tatchell and the leaflet said "Simon Hughes - the straight choice". Obviously Simon Hughes is as gay as a lorry himself.
 
Ismene said:
Arn't Labour the only party who've ever downgraded a drug tho? Granted they moved it back up to class B shortly afterwards.
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So you've answered you're own question really.

knock said:
Nah, there is no laissez-faire conservatism. It's laissons-faire, "we'll do what we like".

The Nuclear Family? Back to Basics? Common Sense? The "good" old days? Queen, church and country? That's the tories. Their message for us.

Well, labour too!

The Liberals, on the other hand; I did once think they might be the party who would give legalisation a go. Those illusions went with the rest.
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Conservative philosophy is based on freedom of the individual and that bastardisation of Darwin "the survival of the fittest". Do what you like but if you starve it's your own fault.

Labour philosophy is based on the state knowing best and telling you how to live your life.

Liberal philosophy is currently based on any lie that will get them some power.

Thatcher gave us needle exchanges and harm reduction. Vote Tory. ;)
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Conservative philosophy is based on freedom of the individual and that bastardisation of Darwin "the survival of the fittest". Do what you like but if you starve it's your own fault.
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Well, they say that, but Teresa May has banned more drugs in three years than Labour did in 13 :D Did Labour ban any drugs? Oh wait, yeah they did =D slipped my mind.

Thatcher may have given us needle exchanges but she also (by and large) took away our freedom to withdraw our labour.

Her logic on needle exchanges: if a smack addict is reasonably healthy, they're not costing the country money. I don't think that was about freedom.
 
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