Chicago Midwest Methadone HELP

[BananasAndOranges]

I cant stop. I never got withdrawals this bad until shooting up. I cant do anything at all when im dope sick. Im currently scared of hepatitis right now but I hope its just me being paranoid. I want to stop. Im high as fuck right now and would rather not be (keep the weed take out the opiates). I dont know where the Fuck to go. I need a PRESCRIPTION for Methadone. Im not looking to abuse just use to get through this hellish ride but I got Subutex. I guess I kinda of lied in a previous post I shoot up a Lot when I can. Sometimes exceeding 6 times (8 at the worse). Im sick of this shit. The thing is all I can get right now is Vicodin 10mg pills. I was thinking taking 3 a day for the next days and going to a Methadone Clinic on Tuesday. I never gave subutex a chance and basically I went to a Clinic today for the first time forgot my ID and got no fucking service so hear I am. I had about 4mg of Methadone left from a friend and took it this morning. I would LIKE to give the Subutex a try but I dont know what will work because last time it did Jack Shit but make me feel sick all day dry heaving a nauseated. I want some advice and quick. I cant handle this anymore. I dont want to use Methadone for more than or 4 days and then id switch to darvocet or vicodin whatever and go from there if Needed. I want some help and am sick of it being so hard to get the help I need. I've looked and looked for doctors and after get a blacklisted red flag by my name for a retarded Xanax scare from my previous doctor I have been fucked for awhile when it comes to getting what I need.
Is there anywhere I can call or go to in Chicago tomorrow doctor or clinic and walk out with a script. Im no longer seeking a high the discomfort level is way to high for me right now. Someone please help me out. If you're in Chicago or around and dont feel comfortable posting where I can go please PM me. Like I said MODS I JUST WANT HELP. I've been using the methadonetreatment.com calling left and right and havent got anything I really think looks to good.

 

[stuckinaloop]

Dude subutex will 100% work..and you already have it. Give it 36 hours from your last shot and it's a guarantee.

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

It sounds to me like your addiction is trying to trick you.

If you have subutex just wait until you are so sick you want to die, then take the subutex and wait an hour, You will be happy to be alive.

I have never heard of subutex making someone sick, unless they took it too early. If you are so sick of this why not give it a try?

If theres one thing I HATE!!!! (and I have been just as guilty of this as everyone else I have ever met) It is people who are one foot in recovery, one foot in active using.

It is a waste of a sub doctors patient slot, and I know there is someone out there that wants it more, but cant get it because of all the continual users riding the sub train....

Its like a phase between addiction and recovery, I call it a Sub-recovering addict. We are close to recovering, but still getting high every once in a blue moon....

Good luck, I know there are some links to find a sub doctor and im sure you can find a phone number in your county that is a hotline for drug addictions, if not in your county, definatly in your state.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

It sounds to me like your addiction is trying to trick you.

If you have subutex just wait until you are so sick you want to die, then take the subutex and wait an hour, You will be happy to be alive.

I have never heard of subutex making someone sick, unless they took it too early. If you are so sick of this why not give it a try?

If theres one thing I HATE!!!! (and I have been just as guilty of this as everyone else I have ever met) It is people who are one foot in recovery, one foot in active using.

It is a waste of a sub doctors patient slot, and I know there is someone out there that wants it more, but cant get it because of all the continual users riding the sub train....

Its like a phase between addiction and recovery, I call it a Sub-recovering addict. We are close to recovering, but still getting high every once in a blue moon....

Good luck, I know there are some links to find a sub doctor and im sure you can find a phone number in your county that is a hotline for drug addictions, if not in your county, definatly in your state.

You're right. Totally. I should just man up and fight it.The only problem I have with Subutex is theres no buzz or anything sure it kills w/d symptoms but I need something to stimulate my mind and trick me fore a week atleast. Maybe I didnt give subutex a real chance and should

 

[lasthurrah19]

How about weed then? Subs should really hold you well, like you said. Weed could be good, but I really don't think switching addictions is a good idea, if you can help it. As in, don't get stimulants or start drinking or anything like that. IMO, weed is the only safe-ish replacement drug.

Really if you give the Subutex another chance, you might have more energy than you think you will and be able to do some fun, adrenaline producing activities instead of going for a chemical buzz-replacement. Good luck!

 

[bagochina]

I would also say be very careful about starting methadone as it can be a bitch. For me making the switch from shooting dope to Suboxone was a slight struggle. The biggest problem looking back was my mindset, friends, lifestyle, etc. All I knew was dope and lots of it constantly. I wanted to get clean but in the back of my head I would entertain the thought of using. Once I would start to think about scoring that thought would grow in my head and soon it would be snowballing down the mountains in my mind and than SPLAT. I would be high. One of the most helpful things a psych doc told me years ago was concerning thought blocking. When I would get thoughts of using I would just block them out, I dont entertain the imagery or thoughts. Its hard at first but like anything it takes work to get good at it.

So anyways...

When I first started subs it took me a few years to finally just stick with the subs, no occasional heroin breaks. I was taking 32mgs, it wasnt that it wasnt holding me it was had more to do with my thinking and wanting something 'more', I was already on a large benzo and adderall script. What I was missing was that 'excitement' I got from heroin. That is what took awhile to get used to the void of blahness, still am trying to get used to it actually.

I was on methadone for a couple years when I was 19-21 and that was such a nightmare some residential rehabs wouldnt even except me detoxing from methadone. Rehabs eh, puke. I went back to shooting dope as man those w/d's were fuct but in all fairness to methadone heads I was young, still consumed with dope, and never really wanted to clean.

So more dope, went on subs years down the road, shot dope for a few years ontop of subs [you know what I mean], FINALLY stabilized on subs for like 5 years with out using dope, got off subs relapsed on heroin, started taking tramadol for bupe w/d [2 weeks]. Clean for over 3 months, longest EVER. I still hesitate to recommend methadone to anyone. I know it is kinda irritating when people say you have to truly want to get clean but when that conviction comes it makes things sooo much easier.

As far as walk-in get dosed methadone clinics... They are out there, some of the Chicago land bupe doctors also script methadone but dont really advertise the fact. Of course you will pay more but as with most things $ talks, unfortunately.

Wow long post, got carried away. Although I suppose it really doesnt matter.

peace.
seedless

 

[thelung]

Unfortunately, with medication like Subutex, Suboxone, and Methadone, you can't just walk into a clinic or doctor's office and expect to walk out with a prescription for a maintenance medication that same day. There is a process which you must go through in order to get onto Buprenorphine or MMT maintenance. It usually takes at least 2 appointments, maybe 3; the last appointment you'd be advised to show up in withdrawal so the doctor can dose you properly.

If you wish to seek treatment for opiate addiction, replacement therapy, or maintenance medication, is just one of several methods of treating your addiction.

best of luck to you, hang in there

 

[BananasAndOranges]

I got and apt Tuesday. I just wanted to ask though I just want OFF opiates in general. If I take Methadone for 3 days and stop will I be OK? OR should I just stick with the Subutex. I just dont want to get hot as a bitch burning up shivering in my bed again And it may happen sooner then the Methadone apt, but im sure it wont.

Ugh. What to do..


I have A subutex doctor and it took me a day to get the medicine. He wont prescribe methadone though. I know methadone is addictive as fuck but I have to Feel the drug the first day or it wont work for me. When I took subutex I felt nothing but w/d and dry heaves, and I took a small dose and shoot sometimes 2 grams a day.

 

[fm1983]

It sounds like to me, you are looking for a quick fix to getting off opiates, and there is none. Sure, you can do a short taper using methadone or suboxone, but when that taper's over, you aren't cured. It's a long process to recover, and while a short taper may work for some, it works less for more people.

I commend you on wanting to beat your addiction as quickly as possible, but you need to think of beating your addiction as a long term process. Stay on either MMT or Bupe for a couple months at the least, without using any drugs on top if it. At that point, you can start a taper to get off. But the key would be not using any other drugs while you are on maintenance for as long as you can, because the longer you don't use your DOC, the less and less you will want to.

Most bupe/MMT doctors will work with you on a taper, when the time is right. While a quick short-term taper may seem like the answer to all, it most likely won't be. The problem with a short taper is that, what prevents you from going back to your DOC? A week away from your DOC isn't long enough to keep someone from coming back to it, unless you have some insane will power.

Just my thoughts.

@The Lung: I was able to get my sub script on the first visit. He gave me a week script at 8mg 3x daily, and told me to find the dose that holds me. My follow-up appointment, a week later, I was given a months script at X dose. Now I see him once a month to get my refills. Not saying all places will write you a script the first day, but if you do research, there are places that do, and from my experience from myself and others, majority of Bupe doctors give you a script day one.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Not a quick fix but something to stop the hell spell fast. As soon as I get past that I can just smoke good stanky danky and I will be good. As soon as the sweat spells end is when the DOC ends. Im a weird addict. I actually HATE heroin and most opiates. To me theres a big fine line between class and trash. Heroin is like crack to me. Feels real good but its fucking garbage. Id rather smoke dank all damn day but I cant get past the hot cold shivers. I guess bupe for a week would be better then done but who knows. Im going to give both a shot and I guess well go from there.

 

[Georgie25]

Unfortunately, with medication like Subutex, Suboxone, and Methadone, you can't just walk into a clinic or doctor's office and expect to walk out with a prescription for a maintenance medication that same day.

I had a week script of 30 8mg suboxones 10 minutes after first meeting my sub doctor.

 

[The Straight Dope]

If you really wanna quit I would recommend travelling away somewhere for about a month, not necessarily rehab.

Somewhere where you can be sure you won't find any heroin in that timeframe.

And yes bupe can make it kind of easier, my analogy has always been that withdrawling with bupe is like parachuting back to baseline while cold turkey is like falling splat on your face.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

so do the bupe and just fucking go mia for awhile?

Man I can barely make it through a few days with a jab and I shoot the shit all the time now. I want off the ride. I got seroquel, methadone, bupe, my valium, and thats it for now. I wanna know the best route. tsd tell me whats up blood. I need some help quick.

 

[The Straight Dope]

From what I've heard about methadone, it's not easy to get off of since the withdrawls last so much longer, I've never touched the stuff personally, so I wouldn't recommend it except for something short term I guess.

Now I don't know how your financial situation is, but I'd recommend flying out to somewhere that doesn't have a reputation for drugs other than weed and alcohol. Go somewhere sunny and nice and relaxing, but also somewhere that you won't get too bored. Try to find somewhere kinda rural if you can, and find a way that you won't be able to leave this place even if you wanted to. I don't know your situation with your family but if you can like trust a sibling or something with your finances while you're gone to make sure you won't be able to bail yourself out and come home early for a fix you should be okay. Also you should know that depending on your situation, coming out and confessing to your family about your habit could be a really bad thing in the long run.

There's a lot of interesting places for a vacation that are pretty cheap, you can search on the internet to find out how much of a drug problem a certain area has. Anywhere where the drugs are nearly non-existant or very secluded would be a good place to go. You can search bluelight on the drug scenes of a multitude of places. If nothing comes up for a certain place then theres probably no drugs. Hell you can even make a new thread on bluelight "Where can I go that has a non-existant opiate scene to detox?". I'm sure people can help you out.

Yeah I recommend buying a return plane ticket too so you're not tempted to leave early, make it a one month stay, 3 weeks to feel normal, and 1 week to get used to feeling normal.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Im broke I want out now. I hate this. I want to quit tomorrow but hey lets close down methadone clinics and make it impossible for a drug addict to make an attempt to actually get back some control in their life

 

[lasthurrah19]

You still have some sub right? Wait 24 hours after a shot, or until your in moderate withdrawal (if you've taken methadone recently, you're going to have to wait 3 days)... take like 4mg, take a bit more if you need it. Take it for 3-5 days, then skip a day, see how you feel. If you need a bit more, take it, and then try to stop after that day, which would be day 7 at most. If you need to take it longer, you can, but I'd make it as short as possible. As long as you don't take it for more than 7-10 days, IME, you won't get addicted to it and withdrawal can be pretty close to painless. Take a little seroquel to sleep, I don't know if valium is the safest thing with subs, so I'd only take your prescribed dose, if it's prescribed, or not at all if it's not. This is just my opinion, obviously I'm not a doctor - but this has worked for me in the past.

If you can do what The Straight Dope said and get out of your area for a while, that would be very good. You can also change your phone number and delete all your drug dealers/friends - it's hard to lose people you care about, but believe me you'll be better off in the long term. If they come around and get clean, you can be friends again. Just my opinion.

 

[The Straight Dope]

If you can do what The Straight Dope said and get out of your area for a while, that would be very good. You can also change your phone number and delete all your drug dealers/friends - it's hard to lose people you care about, but believe me you'll be better off in the long term. If they come around and get clean, you can be friends again. Just my opinion.

Since the OP is from Chicago, I know firsthand that the heroin scene over there is bad enough that you don't even need phone numbers, all you need is a car to go down to the shit part of the city and you can find a guy off the street, it kinda sucks like that over there.

Sometimes going down to the ghetto and being white can be a bit of a deterrent, but generally not if you're addicted enough, it's also an easy way to get arrested and no one wants to be in withdrawl in jail...

 

[lasthurrah19]

^ Well, that does suck. Leaving the area temporarily is probably a really good idea, then. Permanently if it's needed.

 

[Georgie25]

Same way in philly...I used heroin daily for 2 + years and would drive 30 mins down to the "Badlands"/ghetto to cop my heroin and needles off street corners every single day. 9/10 never had a problem unless stopped by cops or if the people you usually cop from with the good shit aint out and you get ripped off with shitty dope from another crew...so it's pretty easy to score in such a place any time of the day. Getting away from the area was never an option for me job/school/money wise but what did get me clean for 6 months now is getting on suboxone..so i would give them pills a shot( Not literally of course,lol)

I should also mention that just takin subs isn't going to get you clean in the longrun..sobriety doesnt work unless you want it and are 100% comitted to changing your ways. I read all the time about people switching on and off with dope and subs and I just think why sabotage yourself like that, it's totally not worth it especially once the subs just stop working..