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Chicago Heroin v. No Touching of the Hair or Face

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dankplantgrower said:
Is heroin hard on your kidneys and liver? How would you suggest a newer user should consume it? And finally lets just say the dope is average quality, about how much should one do without accidentally going overboard and being sick? I hear a lot of people talking about several bags at a time when they pick up. How much is usually in a bag and how many bags would you suggest a new user start off with?
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Do not do anything stupid like snorting 2 bags your first time!!! Anyways i would suggest not to do it at all, it is not worth it man. You will never be able to stop. Believe me I thought I could never get addicted but before you realize it it's way too late..... Anyways when I first started a bag of dope of was able to last me about 2 days and that's being high all damm day but about a week later, I want to say I could stretch a bag for about a day and then it was just down hill from there. Few months into my addiction 3 bags at a time few times a day was no biggie. I hope you realize your tolerance will absolutely skyrocket.

I would suggest for you not to use for more than 3 days in a row otherwise you will have some withdrawal symptoms however it all depends on how good and how much dope you do because I had naaaasty withdrawals after using for only 2 days over the weekend but I did have like 15 blows all together (my guy hooked it up on a jab)

My worst withdrawals in which I seriously thought I was going to die was after 3months of everyday use and the physical withdrawals lasted about a week the first two days I basically slept and crawled in my bed sweating like a pig while shivering wtf, smoking weed nonstop to stop the nausea a bit but it didn't work too well. But the mental withdrawls lasted or the thoughts about getting high every single day on dope didn't stop for like 2 months. I managed to stay clean for 6 full months before I started getting high again.. I cannot even imagine what people do when they have been using for a year or more.

Trust me man you are not missing out on trying dope. But I will not lie to you it's the best high you can get but the misery it brings is just not worth it.

The big thing in the suburbs now is fucking heroin which I don't understand and I hope your not one of the kids that think it's cool to snort dope because.... Damm don't even know what to say anymore JUST DONT DO IT.

Your high will never be as good as your first time you will never catch the dragon

Soryy for the long post blah
 
Went to a surgeon to have a consultation about getting my wisdom teeth out and when he saw that I was on MMT he told me he "couldn't give me any pain medication or benzos BEFORE OR DURING the surgery! I was like, doctor I understand that you don't feel comfortable sending me home with anything, but please while I'm under your care/supervision treat me like a standard patient. He basically said he really wasn't sure and would have to contact someone at my methadone clinic to "see if it is OK for me to receive something for during the surgery".. I don't know, it just felt embarassing as fuck. Seemed like as soon as he saw that it was like 'alright, he's a drug addict junkie methadone patient. He deserves to be in pain because of it."

Also, I brought my mom along because she's handling the insurance part for me and she even asked him "Why wouldn't you give him any medication for during before/during the surgery (aside from the nitrous oxide) if I'm under their supervision?" and the doctor responded "Well, its the addiction part. Its kind of like an alcoholic. They're fine when they're not drinking, but when they take one drink, you know?" and I just said "Doctor, I take 100mg of methadone, an opiate, everyday." He just smiled and said, "Yes, I know."

Shit seemed kind of ridiculous to me, even though I didn't really say anything about it. Felt like he judged me hard, but hey, with all the regulations, I can't really blame him. Still felt really shitty for some reason, though. Made me kind of ashamed to be on MMT and I had been loving it up until today.
 
JunkieDays said:
That's exactly why I've never opted to go the done route..
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Yeah. oh well. When I get my own career, I'll have a fresh insurance (I'll be off my parent's) and I'm gonna keep drug history hidden. Assuming I'm off methadone by then, of course. I just turned 23, and I'll need to have my own insurance/career by 26, so that will have been 4 years on methadone. That seems like a long enough time, possibly. We'll see. I'm still glad I got on done, its like that "miracle" drug, for me anyway. So yeah, no regrets, Its just weird/frustrating seeing (Even though I know it has been happening for a very long time) the way doctors treat methadone patients in person.
 
Smudgey said:
^^ Good grief...this smells funny. You are hardly breaking ground with your "research". It's all been done before...

http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/gang-violence-heroin-new-breeds-vice-lords/Content?oid=8761736
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Well obviously I'm not doing this to break new ground, it's for a class and for a grade. And if you search this topic in academic journals, nothing has been written about this topic. Academic papers on heroin and Chicago only bring up results about users, not about the dope boys and how they operate. So maybe it would be better to interview them but I'm not sure things would go well if I walked around Pulaski and Madison with a clipboard and tape recorder. And yeah, I'm using that article as a source.
 
geoffreychaucer said:
Well obviously I'm not doing this to break new ground, it's for a class and for a grade. And if you search this topic in academic journals, nothing has been written about this topic. Academic papers on heroin and Chicago only bring up results about users, not about the dope boys and how they operate. So maybe it would be better to interview them but I'm not sure things would go well if I walked around Pulaski and Madison with a clipboard and tape recorder. And yeah, I'm using that article as a source.
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Gang Leader for a Day (Venkatesh) and Freakonomics (Leavitt) are popular books derived from the author's scholarly work that directly addresses drug dealing in Chicago.
 
I really want to get on methadone and maybe get my life back. Its either that or kill myself. I am so tired of the roller coaster. all my friends and family hating me. The fuckinh shame. It really sucks I picked such a socially unacceptable addiction. The main thing stopping me is not ever getting take homes since I am a major pothead. Do you guys think it will be worth it to try done knowing that its probably my last option before suicide? Or am a just deluding myself into thinking I will eventually feel better?
 
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Of course methadone is a better option than suicide, man.. come on. It's not a big deal if you don't get take homes. How far away is the clinic from you? I mean, yeah take homes are nice but going to a clinic everyday really isn't that bad provided it's not really far away. For the most part you are in and out in a few minutes.
 
^ You go and score dope everyday for the most part. The clinic is a lot easier then that and cheaper. And if down the road you don't like it you can always kill yourself then.
 
crimsonjunk said:
I really want to get on methadone and maybe get my life back. Its either that or kill myself. I am so tired of the roller coaster. all my friends and family hating me. The fuckinh shame. It really sucks I picked such a socially unacceptable addiction. The main thing stopping me is not ever getting take homes since I am a major pothead. Do you guys think it will be worth it to try done knowing that its probably my last option before suicide? Or am a just deluding myself into thinking I will eventually feel better?
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Man, shut the fuck up.
You've gotta be kidding me, dude. Life is so fuckin' delicate & precious, and you want to throw it all away... for what?
Because of drugs? Because of the aftermath & damage done? That can all be fixed. You can't go back once you pull the trigger, man.
You need to think this out. Go the 'done route if you think it's going to help.
But, whatever, you do.. don't fuckin' take your life over something so trivial. You're a fuckin' MAN for god's sake. Act like one.
Grow a pair of nuts & man up, buddy. I swear to god... If I knew you IRL, I'd kick you right in that fleshy patch spot where your nuts used to be.
 
The drugs are only a part of the equation. For as long as I can remember killing myself is the first thing I think about when I wake up and the last thought before bed. That's why I started heroin all those years ago. It masks some of the feelings I have but this shit is not really sustainable. And I am just really tired. Deep down inside I am just not good enough, not strong enough. I cant really cope. So why torture myself? Because society thinks living the longest life possible is the ideal outcome? I don't know. I am not saying I am 100 percent gonna kill myself. Its just an idea I have been kicking around more and more lately. And if I do it will be with a drug overdose. Which will be tricky since my tolerance is so fucking high. I appreciate everyones concern my original post was out of emotional frustration. my apologies for the drama
 
^ But you are the BL Fantasy Football Champion!! That is a pristine title to have bestowed upon you and allows you bragging rights for the year. At least wait to snuff yourself you gotta throw that title around whip you have it. And if you don't win it next year then do it at least you would have a good reason.
 
crimsonjunk said:
The drugs are only a part of the equation. For as long as I can remember killing myself is the first thing I think about when I wake up and the last thought before bed. That's why I started heroin all those years ago. It masks some of the feelings I have but this shit is not really sustainable. And I am just really tired. Deep down inside I am just not good enough, not strong enough. I cant really cope. So why torture myself? Because society thinks living the longest life possible is the ideal outcome? I don't know. I am not saying I am 100 percent gonna kill myself. Its just an idea I have been kicking around more and more lately. And if I do it will be with a drug overdose. Which will be tricky since my tolerance is so fucking high. I appreciate everyones concern my original post was out of emotional frustration. my apologies for the drama
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What about all the people who care for you man..? Yeah I get you feel like shit and killing yourself seems like the easy way out, but do you really wanna do that to the people in your life? Your family, friends, whatever? You're dead, so you don't care about anything anymore.. but it's selfish man because you just crushed everyone for the rest of their lives, having to live with the fact you killed yourself. It's fucked up. It's the cowards way out, man and I know you're not a coward.
 
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