Opioids Chicago dope thread

[puke]

Man this place has gotten quiet. Haven't used dope in years, what's the dope scene on the west side like these day?

 

[puke]

Good ole West Garfield, c'mon in hot.

 

[NewPhone]

Alive. I’ve been driving around the west and south side recently, not to score — for other reasons. Maybe I’m just coming out too late but shit is dead.

Hope nobody’s on tranq.

Wonder what happened to Gwen, chinky, fantom, brown line, itchy, etc… hope everyone’s alive

 

[gwencooper]

Alive. I’ve been driving around the west and south side recently, not to score — for other reasons. Maybe I’m just coming out too late but shit is dead.

Hope nobody’s on tranq.

Wonder what happened to Gwen, chinky, fantom, brown line, itchy, etc… hope everyone’s alive

im still here.

 

[dsd]

Shit man I've never once gotten a methadone nod. I've heard of it, never once experienced it.

If you look back a few pages on here I was inquiring why (at my last clinic) the done wasn't working. I saved up something like 30 bottles of methadone (for the "Big Quit") and burned through em in like 36 hours because I was still so fucking sick.

At my highest dose I got up to 325 at my current clinic - had to submit to an ekg once a week. I got to such a high dose because they did a one time monitored 5 day stay and at the time at 225 I was starting to feel kinda shitty around 4 hours in - as in starting to get the hot/cold sweats, pupils dilated, anxiety, etc. For some reason until I cracked 300 I was still getting full blown sick. Once I got stable, I was able to stop getting high for a while, stopped getting sick and now I've worked down to 210.

UK here. I'm always amazed by how high the methadone dosage is available in the States. Like 325ml is an insane amount. And 225ml was only holding you for 4 hours!! Must be something to do with your metabolism or something I'm guessing because, like I said, both them amounts are super high.

Not just you, I've read so many Americans stating their 200ml+ doses. Drinking 250ml for 1 or 2 days, is one thing but everyday with meths long half-life. You going to have an huge amount in you.

I'm on 80ml here (UK) and there are very few getting 120+ at my clinic. Much more common 30 years ago when I first went.
But now have to start on 30ml, and 10ml added per day. So 4 days just to get to 60ml, by then people get fed up of going, so they get 60ml script.
3 months of compulsory daily supervised consumption. Best you can get is monthly appointments/ script and weekly pick up.

They also breathalyse if they suspect been drinking . Also wary of benzo use if you want methadone .

Can't imagine what hell you'd be in going cold turkey from 300ml.

Ps. 1ml= 1mg

 

[puke]

Alive. I’ve been driving around the west and south side recently, not to score — for other reasons. Maybe I’m just coming out too late but shit is dead.

Hope nobody’s on tranq.

Wonder what happened to Gwen, chinky, fantom, brown line, itchy, etc… hope everyone’s alive

I'd like to know what's up with Chinky, I use to tinychat with him and some other people including Bhannon. Remember how Chinky and Captain.Heroin always used to get into fights on here?

 

[puke]

Anybody alive in here these days?

 

[Smags2.0]

Hey hey hopefully some folks still drop in the thread, cuz I could really use some advise…. I’ve been messing with that west side fentadope for about 18 months now, with about 5 WDs ranging from a week to 3 months. I’m trying again this week, and I’m trying to arm myself with as much knowledge as possible before doing so..

First of all, those other quits were relatively easy compared to coming off blues or even Kratom—I just took 2 mg alpraz every 6 hrs, plus 200mg trazadone and 100mg seroquel to sleep through the night. At 36 hours I started dosing 16 mg suboxone every 6 hours for that first day to build it up in my system, and usually by the second dose I was feeling well enough to get out of bed and go for a walk. Like I said—not so bad. I did have confirmation that the stuff I was getting had at least some actual diacetylmorphine, so I think it kept me well for way longer.

On the other hand, shit lately (last couple months) feels like there is far less actual H (or perhaps none at all), and has the nightmare cycle just like those pressed blues—WDs starting after 3-4 hours.

There’s sooo much conflicting info out there—I’ve heard people advising 72 hours before subs, but was told by a nurse that she’s always just waited 24 hrs and had no problem—mind you, that nurse was in Utah.

About a week ago I tried to help my girl through it, and she insisted on taking her first dose of sub at 48 hours out of fear of PWD. So she took it plus a bar+trazadone and knocked out for 6 hours. When I went in to give her her second dose, she was in writhing pain, drenched in sweat, and delerious. We aborted to take a few days and revise our approach.

My thoughts are that if she was in PWD, she would not have slept through it, and would have woke up after 1-2 hours in pure hell. This makes me think we could try taking the first dose of sub at 36 or even 30 hours, so that the WD never builds to that level.

What are other people’s experiences getting off of this west side crap using subs? Are these reports of PWd after waiting 48-72 hours just heresay? Or only special cases where someone was using high doses nonstop for multiple years? Again, we’ve been clean probably 4 out of the 18 months that we’ve been using, so maybe it hasn’t built up in our systems as it has for those folks who waited 3 days only to still go into PWD?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, stay safe friends

 

[CfZrx]

Hey hey hopefully some folks still drop in the thread, cuz I could really use some advise…. I’ve been messing with that west side fentadope for about 18 months now, with about 5 WDs ranging from a week to 3 months. I’m trying again this week, and I’m trying to arm myself with as much knowledge as possible before doing so..

First of all, those other quits were relatively easy compared to coming off blues or even Kratom—I just took 2 mg alpraz every 6 hrs, plus 200mg trazadone and 100mg seroquel to sleep through the night. At 36 hours I started dosing 16 mg suboxone every 6 hours for that first day to build it up in my system, and usually by the second dose I was feeling well enough to get out of bed and go for a walk. Like I said—not so bad. I did have confirmation that the stuff I was getting had at least some actual diacetylmorphine, so I think it kept me well for way longer.

On the other hand, shit lately (last couple months) feels like there is far less actual H (or perhaps none at all), and has the nightmare cycle just like those pressed blues—WDs starting after 3-4 hours.

There’s sooo much conflicting info out there—I’ve heard people advising 72 hours before subs, but was told by a nurse that she’s always just waited 24 hrs and had no problem—mind you, that nurse was in Utah.

About a week ago I tried to help my girl through it, and she insisted on taking her first dose of sub at 48 hours out of fear of PWD. So she took it plus a bar+trazadone and knocked out for 6 hours. When I went in to give her her second dose, she was in writhing pain, drenched in sweat, and delerious. We aborted to take a few days and revise our approach.

My thoughts are that if she was in PWD, she would not have slept through it, and would have woke up after 1-2 hours in pure hell. This makes me think we could try taking the first dose of sub at 36 or even 30 hours, so that the WD never builds to that level.

What are other people’s experiences getting off of this west side crap using subs? Are these reports of PWd after waiting 48-72 hours just heresay? Or only special cases where someone was using high doses nonstop for multiple years? Again, we’ve been clean probably 4 out of the 18 months that we’ve been using, so maybe it hasn’t built up in our systems as it has for those folks who waited 3 days only to still go into PWD?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, stay safe friends

It is worth researching the following: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970598/

 

[Smags2.0]

It is worth researching the following: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970598/

I’m so glad I looked further into this, because it absolutely seems like the least painful route… In fact, the biggest concern I have is that it seems too good to be true.Have you personally tried this method? Or know someone trustworthy that has?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I’m so glad I looked further into this, because it absolutely seems like the least painful route… In fact, the biggest concern I have is that it seems too good to be true.Have you personally tried this method? Or know someone trustworthy that has?

I don’t know if you ever read the links I sent you (not sure of the thread but I believe it was your thread), but they were about micro dosing. Using this method, you still continue to use h/fent/whatever (at the lowest dose you can handle without being sick) up until day 7-10 (I think). Seems like a a nice few people have succeeded this way without going through weeks/months of torture.
The Bernese method seems promising!

Edit: I only skimmed the link above before I made my post, sorry . If you search Bernese method and fent in the top right hand corner, you’ll find threads explaining this in great detail, along with how they felt at each point through the process.
Hope it works for you and your girlfriend!

 

[CfZrx]

I’m so glad I looked further into this, because it absolutely seems like the least painful route… In fact, the biggest concern I have is that it seems too good to be true.Have you personally tried this method? Or know someone trustworthy that has?

When I switched from methadone to sub, they had me wear a 50mcg patch for about 24 hours if I recall correctly, then I removed the fent patch and waited a couple hours and decided to take 1mg or so. Nothing bad happened, so I continued to take the rest of my 6mg dose that afternoon and had no ill effects.

 

[Smags2.0]

I don’t know if you ever read the links I sent you (not sure of the thread but I believe it was your thread), but they were about micro dosing. Using this method, you still continue to use h/fent/whatever (at the lowest dose you can handle without being sick) up until day 7-10 (I think). Seems like a a nice few people have succeeded this way without going through weeks/months of torture.
The Bernese method seems promising!

Edit: I only skimmed the link above before I made my post, sorry . If you search Bernese method and fent in the top right hand corner, you’ll find threads explaining this in great detail, along with how they felt at each point through the process.
Hope it works for you and your girlfriend!

I can’t express how grateful I am that you encouraged me to take a closer look at the Bernes Method. I started on Sunday with the recommended .5 mg, followed the instructions, and today I took my first 3 mg dose… 3mg right off the bat would normally blast me off into the nightmare of PWD, so I am AMAZED to find that instead, I actually feel like I have a little bit more energy!

Thank you, and we’ll see how the 12mg and cessation of use goes on saturday

 

[Jabberwocky]

I can’t express how grateful I am that you encouraged me to take a closer look at the Bernes Method. I started on Sunday with the recommended .5 mg, followed the instructions, and today I took my first 3 mg dose… 3mg right off the bat would normally blast me off into the nightmare of PWD, so I am AMAZED to find that instead, I actually feel like I have a little bit more energy!

Thank you, and we’ll see how the 12mg and cessation of use goes on saturday

Aw dude, I’m very, very happy for you!
Give another update when you can? Best of luck! You can totally do this

 

[Smags2.0]

Update! Successfully titrated from .5mg/day to 16 mg/day while using 3 bags per day. Felt kinda odd to be taking a full strip in the midst of snorting fat lines, with absolutely zero ill effects. Odd but good!

Day 8 and 9 were pretty painful even with 24mg per day, but if I had to estimate, the symptoms were only about 10-20% as intense as CT. By day 10 I felt shitty but I could walk outside and could feel my brain starting to work normally again. By day 12 I got down to 12mg per day, which I’m still currently on here at day 17.

The best thing about the Bernese Method tho? It forced me to commit a week before stopping. There were several times where my “addict mind” popped in and had some bad ideas, but by then I had been preparing for 8 days and didn’t want to start all over. This was helpful since I’ve relapsed dozens of times on day 1 or 2.

Anyhow, thanks for everyone’s input and support, this community is wonderful

 

[deficiT]

Update! Successfully titrated from .5mg/day to 16 mg/day while using 3 bags per day. Felt kinda odd to be taking a full strip in the midst of snorting fat lines, with absolutely zero ill effects. Odd but good!

Day 8 and 9 were pretty painful even with 24mg per day, but if I had to estimate, the symptoms were only about 10-20% as intense as CT. By day 10 I felt shitty but I could walk outside and could feel my brain starting to work normally again. By day 12 I got down to 12mg per day, which I’m still currently on here at day 17.

The best thing about the Bernese Method tho? It forced me to commit a week before stopping. There were several times where my “addict mind” popped in and had some bad ideas, but by then I had been preparing for 8 days and didn’t want to start all over. This was helpful since I’ve relapsed dozens of times on day 1 or 2.

Anyhow, thanks for everyone’s input and support, this community is wonderful

Awesome! I am personally not very familiar with the Bernese method but I should look into it. Very glad you're making progress though, opioids are very hard to kick but I assure that you will feel much better when you get to the other side of it

 

[Smags2.0]

I’ve been trying to get clean for the last 7-8 years, and have spent roughly 2 total years out if that time living clean and deepening my connection to my sober self. Each time I’m sober I get closer to myself and become a bit more conscious… At this point, to say I feel “better” without fent is an understatement… I feel like I’ve been enslaved and tortured (bc I kind of have been) for years on end, and that I finally escaped the prison I was in.

Thanks to each of you for your help and input, and if anyone in need of support is browsing this thread, feel free to DM me

 

[NewPhone]

Sup folks.

Hope everybody is doing well.


As usual I’ve been riding all around the city and have seen the junkies come back out now that the weather is nice. Had to help a friend of mine get into treatment back in may, he got out but he’s already used a few times. Kinda hopeless, just about to give up on him.

I hope everybody here is doing well.

I did have a little slip this year, got a couple bags and snorted a few lines out of one but that fetty shit is just whack. Thank god there’s no real dope out like it used to be or I might be off to the races again.

I’m getting my medical garden back up, growing some monster plants (6) and hoping to pull some nice pounds down. Ironically growing bud is what helped me get clean! I saw how the health of the plants changed with different inputs / problems and realized what I was doing to my body.

Hope everyone is alive and kickin

 

[itchyscratchy]

What’s up Junkies & Junkettes. Hope you’re all staying alive and aren’t making choices that are fucking your life up or kicking the can down the road.

This board is a trip, only stop by occasionally to see what you gents are doing.

Still on the methadone @ 40mg, still clean, still puffin more home grown high grade than anyone I know

Honestly the 3 things that helped me completely change my life and actually get back to the person I was before using:
- Career. This wouldn’t have done it by itself though. I had been shooting dope for 6 or 7 years and had just gotten out of Haymarket detox 3 weeks before I got my first job offers. I’d always been a broke, criminal junky… so it felt good to start being around people who were motivated to achieve. I’ve always been “the kid with a lot of potential”, so getting a career has been a saving grace. I remember talking to @itchyscratchy after I got my first job making 50k a year back in 2015.

- growing pot. Honestly this helped me more than anything else. Watching how the plants respond to malnourishment and abuse really showed me how much damage I was doing to my body, even if I couldn’t see it. Damage that takes a very long time to undo, like severe damage to my vascular system. I still don’t have accessible veins in my arms and my legs — I need a doctor to tap my arteries when I give blood.

- Music. Music was my passion before drugs came into my life. By 2011 I had sold all of my music equipment for drugs. Pretty much gave it away, actually. I was bitter about that for a long time but over the last 3 years I’ve really focused on building a home studio.

Hell, I moved out to the suburbs and have been in a “luxury” apartment since 2020, driving my 2018 Audi that I bought myself and is all paid off now.

I’m making 3 times base salary what I was making when I had that conversation with itchy in 2015 after starting my career. Never in my life thought things would be this good.

Now instead of spending all my money on dope I buy music gear, instruments, studio gear, nice clothes, groceries… feels fucking fantastic.

I know that not everybody’s path will look like mine but I wish you all the best and hope you’ve not given up on yourselves.

Cheers to 6 years off dope after a 10 year habit

HEEY NEW PHONE!!!
Yeah, I remember! Glad things are going great for you, man! I quit dope a few years back and unfortunately it took me to the same shitty destination that dope was trying

New

What’s up Junkies & Junkettes. Hope you’re all staying alive and aren’t making choices that are fucking your life up or kicking the can down the road.

This board is a trip, only stop by occasionally to see what you gents are doing.

Still on the methadone @ 40mg, still clean, still puffin more home grown high grade than anyone I know

Honestly the 3 things that helped me completely change my life and actually get back to the person I was before using:
- Career. This wouldn’t have done it by itself though. I had been shooting dope for 6 or 7 years and had just gotten out of Haymarket detox 3 weeks before I got my first job offers. I’d always been a broke, criminal junky… so it felt good to start being around people who were motivated to achieve. I’ve always been “the kid with a lot of potential”, so getting a career has been a saving grace. I remember talking to @itchyscratchy after I got my first job making 50k a year back in 2015.

- growing pot. Honestly this helped me more than anything else. Watching how the plants respond to malnourishment and abuse really showed me how much damage I was doing to my body, even if I couldn’t see it. Damage that takes a very long time to undo, like severe damage to my vascular system. I still don’t have accessible veins in my arms and my legs — I need a doctor to tap my arteries when I give blood.

- Music. Music was my passion before drugs came into my life. By 2011 I had sold all of my music equipment for drugs. Pretty much gave it away, actually. I was bitter about that for a long time but over the last 3 years I’ve really focused on building a home studio.

Hell, I moved out to the suburbs and have been in a “luxury” apartment since 2020, driving my 2018 Audi that I bought myself and is all paid off now.

I’m making 3 times base salary what I was making when I had that conversation with itchy in 2015 after starting my career. Never in my life thought things would be this good.

Now instead of spending all my money on dope I buy music gear, instruments, studio gear, nice clothes, groceries… feels fucking fantastic.

I know that not everybody’s path will look like mine but I wish you all the best and hope you’ve not given up on yourselves.

Cheers to 6 years off dope after a 10 year habit!

NEW PHONE!! :D
I typed a long a long response to you but with this new site, deleted it somehow!! It’s like lightning in a bottle! lol I’m not retyping twice bro! Lol
Very glad things are good with you!
I’ve been off dope for a few years now. Tiny bits of subs. Unfortunately started drinking pretty bad with no happy endings there.Been sober for 2 months. Just got a job(shit one[but it’s a start].
Where I was there was no way but up.
But yeah, happy to see you still on here. I’ll have to check in more often.
Peace bro. Be well.
PS I’m in the northern burbs, living with my ex(God bless her heart! lol lol!!!) …Cause I ran out of money because of the booze. I think that shit is more dangerous than the dope!!!
Anyway I’m running… Be good, brother.
Stay safe out there, guys.
PS NOBODY ON ANYMORE! Hope they’re ok.

 

[itchyscratchy]

Anybody alive?

Yeah. Me, Puke! …me think… How you been man?