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SO IS POERTY ART?
What do you consider art and what makes art?



Here are a few of my favorite quotes about art:

Art is the desire of a man to express himself, to record the reactions of his personality to the world he lives in.
By: Amy Lowell


All the arts we practice are apprenticeship. The big art is our life.
By: M. C. Richards

and this my by far favorite quote about art

Art is the most intense form of individualism that the world has known.
By: Oscar Wilde ( 1854-1900)

I find poetry is art. Words in poerty and music can be more expressive then a painting or picture but also a painting or picture can leave me speechless for words.

Let me know what you think?
 
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I consider Art to be the expression of one's self and poetry is one of the best expressions of such - so yes, to me it is art :)
 
but i didnt really answer the question.
yes, i believe poetry is art. because it is self-defined, limitless, and built on passion, not rules.

Anything that bears the soul is art to me. And poetry certainly does that.
 
Art is an expression, feelings that can be given or transferred to another, can be through the medium of poetry, even if it is only to one other person!
 
poetry is definetly art. and even more so when performed or read aloud by the reader. i'd love to hear some of you guys reading your poems. writing tends to take on a new life for me when i recite it.
 
i find art is so many things to me,,,,,,, even loving is an art. lol not all artist are good either lol but

poetry is the strongest art i can relate to. I can't paint or play music,, or find the perfect picture to take to call myself an artist. But i find words in my head put to paper paint my picture of art :)
 
Poetry is definetely an art form. It's inspired by raw emotions and it verbally illustrates vivid images that the readers can connect with much deeper than looking at some ordinary painting.
 
art is random to the viewer, and completely intentional to the artist.
 
There is a condition known as synethesia -- the `mixing of the senses'. Whereas most people will hear sound and see color and feel texture, these people can hear color, taste sound, feel the texture of an aroma.

It's hard to conceptualize, but this says some very important things about the nature of the reality we experience -- you know, that reality that we take to be `objective' but which is really just a subjective representation of whatever `reality' truly exists outside our human craniums. The way we experience reality through each of the senses is merely one medium through which reality can be experienced. No way is better or worse, all are merely different ways of experiencing the underlying `reality' none of us can ever directly experience.

All we really can say about the reality beyond our heads is that it is made up of patterns. And the pattern that we usually experience as flavor, for instance, can potentially be experienced as texture. All it takes is a little re-wiring of our nervous system, or the appropriate altered state of consciousness.

Likewise, I find that art is all forms are ways of picking up and expressing certain patterns of experience. You can take an experience and touch on it from one angle in poetry, another angle in a story, another angle in a melody, another angle in an article, another angle in a portrait.

I, for one, don't find any medium to be superior to every other. For any particular artist, one medium may come more naturally, and s/he may find it to be more successful for her/himself, but different mediums are just different ways of expressing the same raw materials -- particular patterns of experience. Every medium is just a different angle that we artists can, as the Zen say, `point at the moon'. To each his or her angle or angles.

So poetry is certainly art, but it is in no way superior to any other form. It is merely one way to express experience. Equally beautiful, equally vital.
 
I agree that poetry isn't "superior" to other media, but I do propose that it is a hybrid medium as it incorporates a visual aspect (when read first-hand) but is by its nature a musical medium.

Like music, it exists only as it is occurring through time, while a reader is engaging with it. Each poem is itself a separate Event--an occurrence, a script for a moment to be performed *that exists only to be performed and is nothing if it is not* (though, in this context, performance could be as simple of an engagement as silently reading it "out loud in your head"). It is, after all, this interaction that makes art art--but unlike more "physical" forms of art whose disclosure is constant (once revealed a statue or a painting permanently Is [not to introduce a semantic argument]), poetry's disclosure (or its music) is definite and inconstant.

Unlike music, however, it has a reflective depth and self-questioning that only language can provide. (crossing into the synesthesia of poetry and music combined being more complex than the description I'm attempting now, while prose generally disregards musicality in favor of meaning) The implications and connotations of all words--not to mention the visual images subconsciously attached to them--allow layers of depth and meaning to be constructed and to build themselves. The best poetry transcends even the meaning that the author intends; although simplicity has its place and its beauty, gems with thousands of facets sparkle more brilliantly, and sculptors must choose the size of the stone.

I highly recommend Martin Heidegger's "Poetry, Language, Thought" to anyone interested in this issue in a philosophical (aesthetic/metaphysical) context...although it is admittedly quite plodding, its classification of the poem as a work of art is thorough enough to be beyond convincing--and accurate, to boot.

I hope this description doesn't seem too didactic, though I'm sure it does.

Excellent thread Cherub :)
 
Great input spinkle, To find an overview of all what art is could go on forver. i enjoy everyones definations kinda to me gives alittle piece of inside that person, not always good or bad,,, or the true confessions of our sins.
But it is a view of that person no matter what kinda of art
my be express. Maybe that is why i like it so much art period is a light as a invitation to this person mind and soul.
 
I definitely think poetry is art. It's funny though, because I think a lot of people don't appreciate it for what it is.

When I was in Year 12, I was lucky enough to have one of my pieces chosen for an exhibition, and I had people tell me that what I'd done specifically was not art, and that it should have been considered a creative writing assignment because it was a series of self-portraits accompanied by a long stream of consciousness text.

This was bizarre to me at the time because people who would consider themselves artists had very rigidly defined borders of what's art and what isn't, and apparently it's all about pictures.

Interesting topic...
 
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We all know that females respond to sensation and touch where as males respond more to visual and sounds,
but do Written words relate to both females and males
when it comes to sexual arousal ?
 
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I think it can. The stuff in most romance novels won't get a rise out of me, but there are a few pasages I can remmber from a few books, that "lifted" my spirits :)
 
We all know that females respond to sensation and touch where as males respond more to visual and sounds,
but do Written words relate to both females and males
when it comes to sexual arousal?
Hell yes, I'd say so. I remember reading somewhere that when writing something, it helps to describe it through the gateway of every sense possible: sight, sound, touch, scent. I think using words is a lot like painting a picture. The difference is that you're `painting' it at a deeper level and in a much more vague way. I don't mean `vague' to be negative, either. Writing in general -- and poetry especially -- leaves a lot of `holes' and the reader's unconscious has to fill in the gaps. Which in a way makes any art, writing especially due to it's vagueness, partially a product of the reader and partially a product of the writer. This is why people's interpretations of other people's poetry can often be far from what the poet intended to convey, I think...

Anyway, the point is that when you use the senses to describe an experience in writing, you pull the person more into your personal experience. Describing things through touch may appeal more to females, sexually and otherwise; writing from a visual and audio perspective may be more likely to appeal to males, sexually or otherwise, because (at least in my opinion) experiencing something through writing and in the imagination can elicit the same responses as actually experiencing something in the objective landscape.

The habit of one person I know -- cybersexing -- seems to lean in favor of writing being able to elicit such responses as well. Though I've never personally been interested in that activity, I have read some poetry in the past that has turned me on incredibly. No prose, however.

Interesting topic, though, cherub. I'm suprised so few people have added their commentary so far. Usually any post mentioning `sex' in the subject box accumulates a lot of commentary in no time. :)
 
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Describing things through touch may appeal more to females, sexually and otherwise; writing from a visual and audio perspective may be more likely to appeal to males, sexually or otherwise, because (at least in my opinion) experiencing something through writing and in the imagination can elicit the same responses as actually experiencing something in the objective landscape.

I never really thought of it that way, but I guess you're right....I know with my writing I very rarely use tactile descriptions, it's all about visuals or less frequently, scent (which is associated most commonly with memory).

...I can't really speak for girls I guess, but I know that really good written subject matter can work for me. And there's enough of a market for porn books that I guess it does for guys in general...

There's one story in particular that I cut out and kept ages ago which I'll post if I can ever get it from Melbourne...it's not porn or even really sexual, but describes a very sensual experience.
 
writing to me is painting with a different form. i have not exercised my ability to draw, and hence to paint, but i have many friends that have. likewise some of them have not exercised their ability to write.

i like to try and paint with words, and create the same relationship with the reader, as a viewer would a painting of an event or interpretation. somethimes it works, and other times it does not, but that is the trials and errors of painting as well.

as for words being stimulating for a guy, all i can do is speak for myself and say yes.
 
I think that anything can be sexy to anyone at any given time, it's just a matter of set and setting (same as doing drugs.) I personally have read and heard read poems that gave me that really good shiver and made me wonder just what it would be like to have sex with a phrase. As a guy, I think that our stimulus of choice is usually related to vision, but that really we are turned on perpetually by everything around us. The world is a garden of delights and we wander around touching, tasting, smelling, and listening to the love and lust around us.
Or maybe it's just me.
 
i love when my boyfriend whispers sweet somethings into my ear while we lay there, staring at whatever there is to stare us at (usually eachother). its not even that it turns me on in a sexual way, but it just makes me want to open my heart up to him more and more. i like that i can call them sweet somethings, instead of nothings because when i hear him say whatever i know it actually means something. its truly a beautiful thing.
 
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