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Chems in hydro causing psychoses

Well if your running a recirculating system you would use a float valve to keep your water topped up, to avoid nutrient concentration.

If you didn't your plants would die very soon and be unmarketable regardless.

Any type of major over fertilization with chemical salts is going to damage the plant so badly it won't be able to make it to harvest, especially indoors.

Outdoors you have more room for error, because the plants have such large root systems, and so much soil to grow into.

If you are growing indoors with hydro though, or even indoors with cheap non organic soil in pots and chemical nutes, you will kill your plants very fast if you over fertilize.
 
This has been a good read with a good deal of well constructed arguments from both sides of the coin. :)

Good work Klue in starting a thread that has encouraged some great discussion.
 
I duno if Nitrates are to blame. Iv had a fair bit of exposure to Potassium Nitrate while preparing rocket fuel and have even eaten bits here and there and havn't noticed any negitive effects. Perhaps the break down of the substances in pot during the burning process are to blame somewhat as well (NO, heh it might be a fun thing if they use ammonia nitrate so when you pull a cone nitrous oxide is released*crap joke)?. The polydrug use is probably far higher with todays pot users then in the past.
 
Alot of growers here either go organic hydro or the nutrient way e.g. big bud etc, besides bush. Though I really have no hangups, I love weed and always will. Sometimes theres a very good strain, smells great, but then its difficult to burn and only a bong/or spotting would work. I believe psychosis can happen from anything and funny enough this discussion pops up in my circle of friends all the time. I once dipped my finger into some liquid thc that a mate had shown me, it tasted pleasantly like contreau but without the alcohol taste and was clear like water. Amazingly strong stuff.

n.b. Theres some amazing outdoor bush here, and harvesting is usually within the next month or 2. Always brings a smile to most around this time of year. The best outdoor bush is called 'te puke thunder' (from the late 70's). Its easy to know the strain as it is blue, or will look green+dark green, but once heated it turns blue and is very nice and kicks hydro weed any day :)
Also not many kiwis spin there weed with tobacco. I smoke everyday but mainly in the evenings/well depends when I want to lol, and when I do its a couple spots which is usually about 4 - 6 of matchstick pinhead size for a decent session.
 
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Bent Mk2 said:
Despite what governments and parents have been saying for years, smoking marijuana doesn't necessarily lead to harder drugs, so I don't think you can attribute higher reported cases of mental illness necessarily just to poly-drug use.

Daily use alone is probably one hell of a good reason for the increase alone.

i did not say that smoking marijuana leads to harder drugs at all!!!!!read properly before posting please!!!!i said the ease of availibility of harder drugs could well be contributing to mental illness?maybe i should have worded like this "the ease of availibility today of drugs in general in comparision to the 60s and 70s has vastly increased for the worlds general population(including cannabis) as well as the amount of different drugs that are now currently available.....not to say drugs werent avail back then etc,just now the worlds a bigger place with more people consuming drugs...and this i believe couldwell be a contributing factor....
 
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Alot of growers here either go organic hydro or the nutrient way e.g. big bud etc, besides bush. Though I really have no hangups, I love weed and always will. Sometimes theres a very good strain, smells great, but then its difficult to burn and only a bong/or spotting would work. I believe psychosis can happen from anything and funny enough this discussion pops up in my circle of friends all the time. I once dipped my finger into some liquid thc that a mate had shown me, it tasted pleasantly like contreau but without the alcohol taste and was clear like water. Amazingly strong stuff.

n.b. Theres some amazing outdoor bush here, and harvesting is usually within the next month or 2. Always brings a smile to most around this time of year. The best outdoor bush is called 'te puke thunder' (from the late 70's). Its easy to know the strain as it is blue, or will look green+dark green, but once heated it turns blue and is very nice and kicks hydro weed any day :)
Also not many kiwis spin there weed with tobacco. I smoke everyday but mainly in the evenings/well depends when I want to lol, and when I do its a couple spots which is usually about 4 - 6 of matchstick pinhead size for a decent session.

No offence but those are some very questionable statements!!!im not gunna bag te pukethunder as i am well aware(having grown and consumed on many occasions) that its a decent outdoor strain,but to say its the best outdoor strain in N.Z is ridiculous!!!!and to say itl kick hydro weed anyday is also very ridiculous!!!!!iwhen i was growing indoor i had strains such as AK47,whiterhino,white widow etc etc and i doubt whether many O.D would compare if tested purely on kick( THC)!!!!!!
And i used to smoke nothing but "chop" or "spin" as its referred to
 
Just a bit more info on the argument around cannabis potency.

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druglinkblog/


Cannabis: super-strength me
Saturday, March 03, 2007

For some while now, the international consensus on cannabis has been breaking down. According to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, now over forty years old, signatory countries are supposed to treat cannabis no different legally than heroin or cocaine. Nor does international law recognise any medical benefits from the use of cannabis. But over time, and in the full knowledge of how difficult it is to get treaties amended, countries have been breaking ranks, by reducing the penalties for personal possession even down to administrative rather than criminal offences, although none have gone so far as the Dutch in allowing the sale of cannabis in specially designated premises.

Even the American government, who dominate the conduct of international drug policy, was unable to prevent eleven States decriminalising the drug in the 1970s, policies which were eventually reversed only when the incoming Republican government threatened withdrawal of Federal funding. Still today, the Federal authorities are at odds with some States who are allowing the sale of cannabis for medical purposes.

So a new battle has been joined to win over the hearts and minds of the general public as to the dangers of cannabis, by claims that cannabis is fifty or a hundred times stronger than it used to be, that it is simply a different drug and so we must redouble our efforts to curb its use.

There is strong cannabis in circulation - and ironically as a direct result of enforcement efforts. The widespread spraying of outdoor cannabis crops in the USA, prompted the growers to develop much smaller, indoor varieties and using horticultural techniques produced cannabis with a higher THC level than was usually available. The techniques were copied in Europe and now we have a highly profitable commercial home grown cannabis market using exploited immigrant labour to tend the plants. See the March/April issue of Druglink for an exclusive feature on this.

But cannabis has been available in widely varying strengths for many years. Some of the claims for the increased potency of cannabis are based on comparisons with very low grade US government-grown cannabis tested by the University of Mississippi in the mid 1970s. Yet during the same period, cannabis grown by US commecial growers could range up to 10% in THC content. In 1997, the World Health Organisation said, 'THC content in hashish ranges from 2-8%, although may be as high as 10-20%'. European research published in 2004 concluded that claims about recent significant increases in cannabis potency were unsubstantiated. And 2004 data from the US government puts the average rise in cannabis potency at only double, from 3.5% in 1985 to 7% in 2003.

Cannabis remains a potentially dangerous drug for those with mental health problems and adolescent services are more likely to see troubled young people self-medicating with alcohol and cannabis than heroin or crack. Also we know very little about the UK's cannabis using population. We don't know details about their buying habits, how easy it is to buy the higher THC brands, whether users really want a very strong experience, the price range for different brands, how many types are currently available in the UK, to what extent buyers and sellers are aware of THC content in a particular batch, what the cannabis consumer's perception is of imported hash and so on. Nor do we have any information on how THC levels relate to risk. Is a joint with 8% THC double the risk of one with 4% THC?

People should be aware of potential harms of cannabis. But as the Home Affairs Select Committee said in 2002, ' we do not believe there is anything to be gained from exaggerating its harmfulness'. posted by Harry Shapiro

Taken from the Drunklink Blog: http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druglinkblog

[EDIT: Fixed Link. Lil Angel15]
 
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rulerofthecosmos said:
No offence but those are some very questionable statements!!!im not gunna bag te pukethunder as i am well aware(having grown and consumed on many occasions) that its a decent outdoor strain,but to say its the best outdoor strain in N.Z is ridiculous!!!!and to say itl kick hydro weed anyday is also very ridiculous!!!!!iwhen i was growing indoor i had strains such as AK47,whiterhino,white widow etc etc and i doubt whether many O.D would compare if tested purely on kick( THC)!!!!!!
And i used to smoke nothing but "chop" or "spin" as its referred to

sativa vs indica 8) its my statement and ill stick to it :p , ill go for sativa if im going out and want to keep social or ill go indica if I want to sedate myself and be anti-social. Each to their own, sounds like your from auckland =D and I dont really care whether you spin your smoke or not, its a free world :)

edit: sorry misread your post, you said youve grown te puke thunder? are you sure your not getting confused with the blueberry strain? hmm. The reason I ask is the climate of te puke is how the strain grows+strength+colour. Same as 'coromandel'. You cant grow coromandel weed anywhere else, the quality+strength is due to the region+special climates.
 
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This is an interesting link on cannabis myths: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

The "chemicals" argument doesn't really make sense - plenty of outdoor growers use chemical fertilisers. It is also possible to grow organic buds in a hydro set up.

BUT - many people report a qualitative difference between the stone from bush bud, compared to hydro. There is no need to deny this - but there may be a number of explanations -

1. Hydro growers access more potent strains. Clearly if you try and compare your mate's homegrown with some fuck off northern lights/ white ice killer bud, it doesn't really matter what growth medium is used. Personally, I think this is probably only a minor factor - Pandora's box is well and truly open now, and most growers can access good strains.

2. Hydro is more likely to be produced by large scale commercial interests, whereas outdoor is more likely to be "cottage industry". It is reasonable to assume that the kind of pot you produce when you are after a buck is different from when your goal is to spread the "sacred 'erb". If you're after profit, you might be less scrupulous about quality. Just today, I read an alert from the UK that says that some dealers were spraying their pot with glass frosting to increase weight and improve appearance... But remember, there are plenty of "cottage industry" hydro growers too (with varying levels of greed and botanical know how).

3. Balance of THC to other cannabinoids affects "stone". Now I'm only drawing from memory here, but I remember reading in "Marijuana Botany" that this ratio changes as buds mature. The THC/other cannabinoids ratio is highest early in the bud growth cycle - late picked buds have more <cannabidiol? not sure> compared with THC, which leads to a heavier, more "body" stone. It is possible that, with outdoor pot, the temptation is to pick early, cos you only get 1 crop a year and the longer it's in the ground, the more chance of being busted. With indoor/hydro, you can afford to wait another week or so, because of the extra weight you will get. Or maybe, if you are using any sort of growth accelerant (hormones?), you might reach this more mature bud stage earlier. Either way - the difference between outdoor/indoor is compounded by the increased ratio of other cannabinoids in indoor.

Any pot boffins out there care to comment?
 
People get psychosis from many different factors.

I don't think Cannabis in any form or strength, is a serious contributer to psychosis.

That is my comment.
 
"On the issue of cannabis being stronger these days compared to the 60-70s there are a lot of urban myths floating around. A report out of Europe on cannabis potency here: http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/?nnodeid=429 States that there has not been a significant increase in potency over this period. "

I would say that (in Australia) pot is about 10x stronger than it was in the 1970s.
 
mindsurfer I would say that (in Australia) pot is about 10x stronger than it was in the 1970s.[/QUOTE said:
In the 70s the art of growing cannabis was not as well known as it is today. Subsequently the quality of pot varied from seeded rubbish through to exceptionally potent strains that have been around for millennium.

At the time there was not the established hydro industry that is prevalent today, that's not to say that industrious individuals weren't doing it then, they were, it just wasn't the huge industry that it is today. The quality of cannabis varied from badly grown seeded heads through to mind numbing thai sticks, and exceptional locally grown sensemilla. The latter being a product of the skilled grower. A skill that wasn't that common due to a lack of market demand.

As the popularity of cannabis increased a thriving industry emerged with obviously the best quality fetching the top price. Demand increased with subsequent supply increases and an industry was born. Prior to the established Hydro market the bush market was dictated by seasonal variations just like any other grown product. When mangoes are in season they are at their cheapest when they are out of season you can pay an arm and a leg to indulge. Subsequently when cannabis was out of season you relied on imported indulgences, thai sticks, hash etc. or had to settle for leftovers, the crap that no one could sell at harvest time.

As the horticultural science of growing has improved, quality across the board has improved. People now grow indoor outdoor but the bush industry is still largely seasonal. The indoor industry is not constrained by these issues and is an all year crop.

To say that pot these days is stronger is not really correct. The overall quality is better due to market demands but there has always been strong cannabis around. And yes there has been some improvements with industrious individuals crossing this variety with that one culminating in extremely strong cannabis. But potency has not increased enormously. Particularly not the government run propaganda campaigns of Reefer Madness where cannabis is 30 times stronger than it ever was.
 
Prince, I agree entirely with your comments. I could have added that people who grew their own in the 1970s invariably had better quality weed.

In the 1970s in Melbourne most of the commercial pot was literally grown on an agricultural scale in the Riverina by Bob Trimbole and his pals. It was very poor quality, you couldn't give it away today.
 
chemicals in hydro? Chemicals get turned into sugars ppls.....then plant takes them up.....pretty simple.!!! our vegetables get fed with chemical fertilizers too does that mean we are eating chemicals? NO WE DONT!! ;)
 
Actually, when you eat vegetables you are consuming dozens of chemicals, the most prominent being H20.
 
chemicals in hydro? Chemicals get turned into sugars ppls.....then plant takes them up.....pretty simple.!!! our vegetables get fed with chemical fertilizers too does that mean we are eating chemicals? NO WE DONT!!

That's not altogether how it works. Soils or growing mediums rich in inorganic metal salts can result in take up of these minerals by the plant. Ever wonder why some soils are considered bad for growing veges? If sufficient quantities of certain heavy metals are present in the soil (or growing medium) and the pH is within a certain range, often these nasty metals will be taken up by the plant instead of the normally used mineral -which may or may not be deficient in the soil.

An example is cadmium - that most toxic of metals- which can, to some degree replace the role of zinc in the plant. The plant can essentially replace one for the other in certain enzymatic functions. The presence of high levels aof other elements such as sulphur in the soil can also alter pH and therefore influence uptake.

This particular example is one of the concerns in using organic manures containing animal or human fecal matter. Heavy metals may accumulate in some plants grown in these soils.
 
i can't see hydro specifically causing psychosis compared to bush bud.

i believe it depends on the strain of pot being grown/smoked.

the marijuanan strains of today are much stronger.

most hydro is indica, whereas most outdoor seems a indica/sativa hybrid.

i think it is the more potent indica strains of today causing the psychosis problems...rather than the method of growing.
 
Pure indica (compared to pure sativa) has little effects on the mind and is just couch locking physically-good feeling muntedness, also does not last as long. So if we're talking complex paranoid creative thought patterns, or panic attack like symptoms you're much more likely to get that from sativa. However, because of the more addictive nature of pure indica (it doesnt last as long and you need it more often).. i could see that making people more agro once they really need a cone and have been smoking that mostly.
 
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