Chemestry help - Freebasing DXM, how is this done?

[Kamuix]

Chemestry help - Weird DXM powder problem - Freebasing DXM, how is this done?

I have received DXM in powdered form, but it's not the same as the pure DXM he received in his last batch. I'm not even 100% sure this is DXM powder because ok so his last 2 batches of DXM powder pretty much looked like snow, it wasn't chunky at all and but was crystally and like he said looked pretty much like snow.

This batch is abit chunky and not crystally at all. also the bitterness although tastes abit like his last dxm powder, it's less bitter. Now to the effects, after consuming the powder about 30 minutes later he begins to feel dxm coming on as if it normally would, feels abit of a drunken effect, that serotonin like sedation and just a good but somewhat subtle feeling, then as he waits from 30 minutes to an hour, no dissociation, it's like DXM with no dissociation so in other words, it's like the dxm kicked in but none of the DXM is converting to DXO. So he has hopes that this is DXM and not some other morphanan or something... By the way he took up to a gram of this and felt little to no dissociation.

Anyways, I think after reading what he did from the DXM FAQ from the extraction section that maybe freebasing it would fix this(whatever it is that's wrong with it, assuming that this is DXM ofcourse! He also read somewhere in the dxm faq that DXM with a low pH could cause less DXO to be formed, but i don't know much about the chemestry.

So I am thinking sodium hydroxide? since that's how it's done in the syrup extractions?

Or does anyone know what could be wrong with this powder? [Solipsis says] In the sense of trying to identify your powder as being something else, NO we have a rule against that.

Any help appreciated!

Also I considered that maybe this dxm was cut with something, but when he does about 300 milligrams it feels like he's getting high on almost that amount of dxm when it first starts kicking in, then of course no dissociation and it almost feels like it kind of just goes away but he feels it for a few hours after atleast.


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[Thorns Have Roses]

The powder isn't always well absorbed in the digestive tract, mixing it in some PEG could help, or something of the sort to increase absorption. I don't think going through the process to turn it in to a freebase would help (wouldn't aid absorption, probably would be more irritant), unless you mean to do the whole extraction process to see if there is a cut that you can remove.

Tolerance might also be a factor. Have there been any changes in your diet, medications, supplements, or anything like that?

 

[Kamuix]

Thanks for the reply. Naw well in the meantimes i've been using store bought DXM and it works fine. I've also tried desolving this DXM in water and in ethanol and taking it pure in a capsules and no matter what I do i get the same weird very dxm like but without dissociation effects from it. The first thing i thought was maybe it's just not DXM, but the effects are so DXM like and the onset time is also thee exact same. that and when I do regular store DXM i feel the same effects on the beginning of the onset of the normal dxm.

Like between 30 and 40 minutes after taking this powder it really feels like DXM is kicking in normally and youre thinking youre about to start having fun as it kicks, but then as time goes on between like 40 mins and the 60 min period you keep realising there's just no dissociation and it's just like you're left with the effects of DXM without DXO atleast it seems that way. Then afterwords it almost feels like the effect went away but you can tell it's still there but there's no dissociative intoxication effects. And actually when I did dxm polistirex I didn't get any of these effects I got from this powder, with delsym you just go directly to a drunken like dissociation with all the effects from this dxm powder excluded, which is why i feel so strongly that this has got to be some sort of DXM. the only other explination would be if it's a different morphanan like dimemorphen, but it seems unlikely to me from what I know about it.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I see...hmm...giving it a try with PEG couldn't hurt (heck mixing it with an otc preparation like syrup might work, dose lower than normal, then make up the difference by adding in appropriate amount of powder, see if that helps). The lack of dissociation after a proper comeup sounds a lot like the problem I had with 4-meo-pcp after building up a tolerance (it just sorted happened all the sudden with my uses one day, I eventually learned it was just tolerance). On the other hand, given the rest of your info about it working normally with store bought stuff and increasing doses not helping...it may just be bad absoprtion, and it could be cut on top of it. Who knows?

 

[Kamuix]

Yeah it's really weird.. I will probably try mixing it with syrup and then like shake it really well or something and see if that does anything. But yeah it's deffinately not tolerance because actually the first time I used this powder that's what I kept thinking as I was dosing, maybe it's tolerance so I ended up taking more and more and eventually going just over a gram and still little to no dissociation and actually what I ended up feeling was a strong weird kind of unpleasant like dxm like(without dissociation) sedating tiredness. It deffinately felt serotonigetic and although it felt kind of nice, at the time I was greedy for my normal DXM/DXO high so I wasn't appreciating the weird effects I was getting. Still after 1 gram I didn't feel dissociated at all, at this point there may of been abit of dissociation but through all the weird effects it would of been barely noticeable.

That and when I dosed next on normal Store bought DXM I only took like 300 or 400 and it felt much better and normally dissociated.

I was thinking maybe it's cut with something but then I would think dissolving it in almost anything then taking it would solve the problem or you'd just have to take more of it.. can't see that being possible.

I don't know much of anything about DXM chemestry but maybe it could be binded to a different kind of salt? or it wasn't binded to the salt properly? or there's too much HBR salt? or it's binded to something else entirely? from what I know it's worth throwing it out there.. haha

 

[shpongle1987]

How many mg's are you doseing each time you try the powderd dxm? Could you try just upping your dose...say maybe around a gram, gram n a half? If that doesnt take you into hyperspace then there is deff a problem. That is the only way i can think of knowing for sure if its the dxm itself or you.

 

[Kamuix]

That was actually the first thing I thought and I ended up just dosing over a gream:

"But yeah it's deffinately not tolerance because actually the first time I used this powder that's what I kept thinking as I was dosing, maybe it's tolerance so I ended up taking more and more and eventually going just over a gram and still little to no dissociation and actually what I ended up feeling was a strong weird kind of unpleasant like dxm like(without dissociation) sedating tiredness. It deffinately felt serotonigetic and although it felt kind of nice, at the time I was greedy for my normal DXM/DXO high so I wasn't appreciating the weird effects I was getting. Still after 1 gram I didn't feel dissociated at all, at this point there may of been abit of dissociation but through all the weird effects it would of been barely noticeable."

It's a strange problem that's for sure..

 

[Solipsis]

If you want to complex it with PEG, I have heard that it is best to let it stand for a while, also shaking it may help like holding it against an electric toothbrush for a while.

Other than that please look into DXM Extraction:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=257562

Apparently you do not know what the impurity might be or what is going on so be careful about compensating with higher doses, if extraction is not an option consider getting another batch. It's cheap is it not?