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Harm Reduction Chasing Coke With Depressants Instead Of Doing More Coke

Jimmy_Pop

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Just wondering:

In your guys' opinion, is taking a depressant (booze, benzos, opiates, whatever) after coke to stave off the comedown, consistent with harm reduction?

I'm putting this to the forum because I'm increasingly thinking that it IS, but I'm apprehensive about getting overly confident in this thesis. So here's basically the pros and cons for this strategy as far as I can see:

PROS:

1. Depressants soften the coke comedown; the coke comedown can be a dangerous condition in extreme cases.

The coke comedown is often bad enough to make people feel suicidal, taking depressants afterward softens the blow.

2. You don't really need to re-dose on the depressant you take afterward, at least not to the extent you need to re-dose on coke with the "take more coke" strategy.

When you try to cope with a coke comedown by just taking more coke, you end up re-dosing compulsively all night long. While this CAN happen if you follow coke with a depressant, it is much, much less likely.

3. Depressants can help you get to sleep.

Well I guess this is self-explanatory but if you're asleep you are less likely to do something stupid in some kind of crazed 5am search for more cocaine.

CONS:

These points are less self-explanatory and more where I'm seeking scientific-type feedback. I personally feel from experience that chasing coke with depressants is an OK harm reduction strategy, but I also know that the biology of the matter can paint a different picture, so I hope I can get some clarity here.

1. Stimulant AND depressant stress on the heart.

Isn't it worse to have these two competing heart stresses affecting you at the same time, than to have just one? I heard that somewhere but I'm not sure.

2. Risk of a "cycle."

I've heard of the "amphetamine cycle" being a condition where you get addicted to a depressant because you need it to get to sleep when you're taking amphetamines. Even though coke generally lets you get to sleep eventually, could a similar thing happen by using a depressant to deal with the stresses of the coke comedown?

3. Making coke harder to quit.

Generally, you don't want to just keep doing coke your whole life. Maybe just having to face the full force of a coke comedown without an easy depressant cure be key to motivating you to quit sometime?

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Anyway, this is just the topic as I see it. Feel free to agree, disagree, provide input, etc.
 
Im not saying this is the smartest thing to do but a lot of people take coke with opiates to counter act the "nod" so they can do everyday tasks. Its also possible to do Yhe opposite. You will feel pretty fuckin good and you'll sleep like a baby. good luck my friend
 
personally, i won't even go near a stimulant unless i have something handy to help me with the comedown. in my (twisted) mind, whatever physical stresses the combination is putting on my body is well worth it to avoid the mental punishment of a coke/meth crash.
 
HR or not I can't fuck with stimulants without opiates. Not benzos, not alcohol, I need opiates.

Methadone is the ultimate drug for stim comedowns for me.
 
benzos are probably your safest route for coping with a coke comedown (besides using nothing at all, of course). and i don't mean get "BARRED OUT" either. take a normal, therapeutic dose of a benzodiazapine. in low doses, it can also help prevent seizures considering your brain chemistry is completely out of whack after a stim. binge.

mixing alcohol with cocaine (though glorious and i will not do coke if i can't drink with it) is dangerous. it creates a very toxic chemical in the body called cocaethylene. just my two cents.
 
Taking a lose dose of opiates or a mild benzo is definitely safer than just continuing to do coke all night in excess because you don't want to crash.. Hah. Having something to come down with is absolutely a good idea... but one just has to be careful because the coke can mask the feelings from the depressant and you can easily end up taking much more than you should.
 
I thought everone did this lol. Its the norm for me and my friends thats for sure, as the cocaine come down is pretty miserable. I don't really get anxiety I just get to the point where I don't feel like I'm stimulated yet when I close my eyes they move so I can't sleep. Fat shot of heroin (with a doctors prescription of course) works perfect for this.
 
If it is possible I will always have a depressant for a coke comedown. In general, doing more coke starts becoming a bad idea after 3-5 doses in my experience.

My depressant of choice is a strong hypnotic benzo, but an opioid (particularly a noddy, heavy one like morphine or heroin) works fine too.

My most successful and pleasurable cocaine sessions have involved smoking 0,2-0,4g of freebase in 2-5 hits. Any more than that and your crash is much harder, and the rate of diminishing returns is so massive that you'll barely be getting high anymore.
 
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