Fresco
Bluelighter
Sorta, yeah!!! :D
Charlottesville, Virginia
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liquidmethod said:
i've heard people on the far right make this claim before. it's absolutely absurd.
you're saying that racists are blaming anti-racists for them being the way they are?
what a joke.
if anything, it just goes to show how unable these people are to take responsibility for their own life choices.
again, you are defending nazis by making excuses for them.
you are defending nazis when you say these heavily armed mobs of fascists in the street are "young men who are being pushed in a right-leaning direction by the movement of the radical Left alienating them".
it's one of the more ridiculous claims of a movement that exists solely on ridiculous claims.
so all your ranting and raving about being called a defender of nazis is really just a huge overreaction, because you come back and what is the first thing you do? defend nazis, and blame their very existence on the "radical left".
how about the nazis take some responsibility for their own views, their own behaviour and their own politics?
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
Explain why exactly it is absurd - but before you do, make sure you understand exactly what is being said as you have the tendency to alter people's words and misrepresent their claims.
I'm saying that you are placing many people who are not racist into the racist camp. No wonder an increasing number of sane people are disgusted with your behavior are are being pushed into the other direction. (the direction I'm referring to is the Right - and I'll remind the children that not all right-wingers are racists).
ZZOMGGG YOUS ARE DEFENDING TEH NAZIS!!!
Seriously, it's getting old and I'l say the same thing to you:
More lies and misrepresentation of claims to justify your abuse. Did I say it was Nazis in the street that you were pushing to the Right? This is the problem with discussing this topic with someone such as yourself. You are incapable of telling the difference between Neo-Nazis, right-wingers/conservatives and just people on the fence who are witnessing the madness and are unsure how to proceed.
Let us rewind to Berkeley (I keep bringing this up for a reason and you all keep ignoring it for a reason)
I'm a college student that is a little bit concerned with the madness emanating from the Left so I decide to go watch a Milo speech. I have literally no Neo-Nazi or white supremacist views and those hateful thoughts have never even crossed my mind. I may be a Liberal, progressive or independent. I may even be a minority. I AM NOT A NAZI. So as I go to attend the talk, I am violently attacked for doing so. Why, I ask myself? Why are these people violently rioting to prevent Milo from speaking? They're calling him a Nazi.... yet if we're being honest with ourselves we all know that he is not a Nazi (he's a homosexual Jewish immigrant for fuck's sake).
If you actually care to listen to the words I am saying, then I'll say it again:
I aim to get to the bottom of who exactly is a Nazi or not. I'm not going to support your delusional "war against Nazis" unless we can all come to an agreement over who are the Nazis - which should be simple yet you are muddying the waters to incite conflict. Why would you want to risk including non-Nazis into your demonized group of Nazis? This is not fair and it makes zero sense. Do you see how you would be alienating non-Nazis by calling them Nazis?
And how the fuck do you interpret my desire to properly identify Nazis (so that we can demonize them) as defending Nazis? I'm beginning to think you are just trolling.
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zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
do you? i've never seen you analyse or criticise the far right in any meaningful way. you do try to score points over 'the left' by claiming various far right provocateurs aren't nazis - but so what?
your most passionate rants tend to be against different permutations of "the left".
so i take this claim with healthy dose of scepticism.
well, you're beginning to think wrong.
if you can't handle people disagreeing with you, don't post on political subforms.
you claim to have a desire to "properly identify nazis", but where is the evidence of that?
when you accuse me of racial abuse for pointing out one of the false claims you've made (just one, out of many) - it reminds me why i decided to stop bothering attempting to discuss this - or anything - with you.
you don't seem capable of having a mature debate - it's all faux outrage and ranting and raving about how hard done by you are.
it's really boring to read, and a total waste of time to attempt a dialogue with.
Fresco
Bluelighter
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
Nah, their stance was a white only country which is pretty much aimed at no muslins, no blacks etc and not the anti Jew stance of 1930s 40s Europe.
Is this more excusable that this rally wasnt anti jew specifically?
Nope
Fresco
Bluelighter
LOL.......BTW...how far are we from Godwin's law???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
There's some truth to this man's statement
Fresco
Bluelighter
I'm adding your post to Godwin right now.....LOL
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
I dunno. Liquid Method, what is your response to this?
Fresco
Bluelighter
Haha......good point.
I guess we're all somewhat handcuffed by that goddamn cunt Godwin......LOL
Fresco
Bluelighter
Fuck it, I'm pretty drunk right now.
Cheers everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fresco
Bluelighter
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swilow
Bluelight Crew
No-one gives a fuck if you're Jewish. You're the only person mentioning that constantly. Not a person has been racist to you.
You made some attempts to defend the behavior of people protesting under a swastika flag. I don't agree that you are a Nazi defender, but that's what you were called, and it was accurate, but perhaps overly blunt, in that context.
This forum has rules. Its not an open discussion. You can communicate your ideas but you continue to insult people, which is why you keep getting banned.
If you don't want to post here, simply don't. Your arguments are increasingly illogical and always repetitive, so I don't think you've really got much more to add. But, I certainly welcome you to use this forum in the way we've told you to.
Please- no further discussion of your particular grievance, we have assessed it as baseless, and the forum itself is not what we are here to discuss.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
I know you're not, but going by the logic used by some and based on your comment - you may be a closet Nazi-defender and not know it. Just a heads up.
If we are talking classical definitions then I have many more problems with the Right than the Left. As I've stated numerous times I am a true Liberal which is why I am making such a huge deal out of free speech. And the reason it seems to you like I am some kind of Nazi defender is simply because I am more concerned about this violent leftwing movement than the small group of Neo-Nazis. That doesn't mean that I am not concerned about the Nazis, I am just under no illusion as to who is actually a powerful threat here. A small radicalized group of white supremacists (that no sane person i.e. most of the country would agree with) abusing their free-speech privileges by chanting in the street, or a radicalized group of anarchists espousing neo-marxist and communist (arguably worse than fascist) ideals who are being let down by universities responsible for providing them a proper education. Not only do they have zero idea what they stand for politically, but they are extremely violent and extremely vague concerning their targets. Call me a Nazi but I have a serious problem with this. It is the fringes of both sides that are the problem (this is what Trump was trying to say he just picked the absolute worst time to do it). When I refer to the Left, it is directed at this growing movement that has co-opted Liberalism. Hence why true Liberals are being pushed to the "Right", it's not that they love guns and hate abortions, it is simply that they are averse to really bad ideas.
How about that I've asked the question of whether Ann Coulter is a Nazi literally 20 times and nobody has been willing to answer? It is imperative that you properly identify Nazis. That doesn't mean take the law into your own hands and assault them but you should definitely report them to the authorities, and if you have a malevolent streak I would not be opposed to doxxing them to expose their hate speech.
I do not even know why people think I am defending Nazis. I repeatedly denounced the Nazi rally and Nazi/fascism. I agreed that this shit is unacceptable - I simply disagreed about how to deal with it.
I also stated that it was important to get ALL the facts about the rally first before making wild accusations directed at everyone. For example the organizer previously being an Occupy activist and Obama supporter matters a lot, even though nobody is interested in discussing that fact. The reason I was unaware that this was even a legit Nazi rally when the story first broke is because I've been hearing Antifa yell Nazi at every conservative speaker for the past 9 months. I think it's fucked up that now we have literal Nazis parading in public and I hope that you all have not inadvertently began to invite this Nazi shit into society by repeatedly invoking it when it wasn't warranted. Also it is important to note that both groups have no doubt been infiltrated by provocateurs who are out to cause serious shit.
I know, that's exactly the problem. It's easier to push one's agenda if you ignore that type of shit and dehumanize someone. Maybe I should go call a black person a Klansmen(?)
I argued for free speech and non-violence.
I didn't begin with the insults. Some of my opinions are unpopular and they attract derision from others. I understand I argue somewhat alone here and that the rules are applied unevenly. I accept it, just pointing it out.
That is what happens when everyone refuses to answer my honest questions. I repeat them, they go unanswered. And then my argument remains illogical (in your point of view) because I am unable to further dissect the argument. Whatever, I will leave in due time.
So.....Ann Coulter?
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
Zephyr is not a Nazi defender, liquid.
cduggles
Bluelight Crew
Why does that exempt Milo from being a Neonazi?
There were also Kollaborateurs and Mischlinge soldiers supporting Nazis in WWII. Why not the modern equivalent? So stay sharp-eyed, and don't get pulled away by the sideshow.
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Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
And as far as I know, neither Milo nor Ann Coulter were at the Rally anyway, although Ann is known to shed its skin periodically.