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Charlottesville, Virginia

OK, in a thread where a white supremist drove his car into a crowd, killing one, during an Administration that specifically catered to that group, you bring up Hillary Clinton.

You could find out she was a closet Klan member, it doesn't change the events or their portent.

Well I found out that the fucking organizer of the rally was previously an Obama supporter, and the idiots that are perpetuating a race-war myth don't care about that either! There are lots of important points that people choose to ignore.

Charlottesville: Don't Take the Bait
 
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OMG, an association. The second in command's brother-in-law is from Harrison Arkansas, home of the actual Klan, and it turns out that's where my mom's side of the family is from (those last two are completely true). Which means, because I'm an Obama supporter, that the guy who drove the car, is actually doing it for Obama.

QED
 
From the article:

The second indicator that Charlottesville was far from the image the media has portrayed is the contrast between the tough-talking, gun-toting 'speaker' for the 'Unite the Right' march in Charlottesville - Christopher Cantwell - as seen in the Vice News documentary, and the subsequent video of him blubbering to camera and disavowing his principles simply because he thought there was a warrant out for his arrest (there wasn't). If Cantwell as leader of the protest in Charlottesville is indicative of the caliber and conviction of the best that 'white supremacy' in the USA has to offer, there is little to fear from that particular sector of society, and absolutely no reason for the left to continue in its zealotry.

The third piece of evidence that Charlotttesville is another CNN "nothing burger" can be seen in the background of the organizer of the 'Unite the Right' march, Jason Kessler. Until October 2016 when he 'came out' as a white nationalist, Kessler had been an Obama supporter. Further evidence of his liberal pedigree is found in the fact that, at a speech in favor of Charlottesville's status as a sanctuary city in February this year, Kessler live-streamed himself while an attendee questioned him about his past involvement with the Occupy Wall Street movement.

In November 2015, Kessler wrote on his blog:

"I consider myself a free speech, pro-abortion, anti-affirmative action, environmentalist, non-interventionist, anti-Cultural Marxist, vegetarian, pro-equality atheist who has close Muslim friends but also recognizes the existential threat of Radical Islam & who recognizes the value immigrants bring to the United States but also recognizes the importance of entering the country legally."

In December 2015, Kessler also wrote on his blog:

"I can't think of any occupation that I admire more than the professional provocateur, who has the courage & self-determination to court controversy despite all slings & arrows of the world."

One last suggestive piece of evidence: the possible presence of FBI informants at the Charlottesville rallies. On both sides. FBI infiltration of far-right, white supremacist groups is a well-known and long-standing reality. But, according to True Pundit, they have also infiltrated antifa - a no-brainer for anyone with a passing knowledge of the FBI and "homegrown" extremist groups.

Given the last few years of political turmoil, we can all understand that someone might have a change of political heart. Having spent most of my adult life holding nominally 'leftist' views, today I find myself fitting more of a 'right' profile (although such simplistic monikers are almost meaningless these days). But I find it hard to believe that an Obama supporter and advocate of abortion, equality and immigration, with close Muslim friends, could honestly transform himself into the point-man at a far right-wing, torch-lit, Nazi march in less than a year.
 
OMG, an association. The second in command's brother-in-law is from Harrison Arkansas, home of the actual Klan, and it turns out that's where my mom's side of the family is from (those last two are completely true). Which means, because I'm an Obama supporter, that the guy who drove the car, is actually doing it for Obama.

QED

That is so fundamentally different from the example he gave. You guys are nuts.
 
I didn't insult anyone it was a general observation.

My question is why are members here allowed (and often encouraged) to label people racists, Nazis, Nazi sympathizers, White supremacists etc etc?
I understand that violence and abuse emanating from the Left has become normalized (as is often their only tool when rational debate is discarded), but in the real world these are actually very serious accusations and are considered far worse than insults.
 
You're right that certain media, usually right-wing (FoxNews), alt-right (Breitbart), and fringe-right (InfoWars) do actively adjust the portrayal of events to suit their agenda. What's troubling is, what that agenda could possibly be, when the portrayal is one sympathetic to the nazis.

But the media can't change the facts, even as it sends out distractions like confederate statues, the motives and secret identities of the counter-demonstrators, conspiracies of cops standing down.

Nazis held a rally, pissed people off, and then a nazi drove his car into a crowd, killing one. Trump (just "fired") has an associate as a close adviser, and the Attorney General is a long-time sympathizer.

Why can't people here accept that simple statement? Why are you folks defending nazis? A nazi who murdered a person and wishes he killed more?

I cannot imagine the fury if a BLM member drove her car into a crowd of innocent white people. Shit a muslim just did it in Spain and you start a thread calling Islam the scourge of humanity. I don't hear a single one of you asking about who gave the license to the driver, who the victims really were, why didn't the police stop the van, or compare it to radical white Spanish violence, or start Hemingway references.

I feel like tapas and a martini.
But I'm broke as shit.
 
if you see a post you feel is problematic please report it.

please stop insulting people.

So you won't suggest that others refrain from this type of speech?
Left-wing normalization of abuse and character assassinations in action.
You can't call someone stupid yet you can walk around calling them a racist...... If someone labels me a racist then I have the right to call them a fucking idiot.

I also do not have the inclination or desire to go around reporting posts - why don't you as an admin, denounce this type of behavior and tell others to stop slandering people for no reason.
This type of speech is where the insults are stemming from, so if you really want to prevent it...
 
So you won't suggest that others refrain from this type of speech?
no. because i already fucking did:

i'm not going to point fingers or call people out because it's happening across the board. some people are worse than others but people on both 'sides' of the spectrum are guilty.
(new emphasis)

I also do not have the inclination or desire to go around reporting posts...
then you have no right to complain.

seriously, dude, please just drop it. i've asked you nicely a couple of times. i'm not going to ask a third time. i made a civil plea and so far you and somerandomdude are the only two people to thumb your nose at it. please accept it in the spirit in which it was intended and move on.

alasdair
 
You're right that certain media, usually right-wing (FoxNews), alt-right (Breitbart), and fringe-right (InfoWars) do actively adjust the portrayal of events to suit their agenda. What's troubling is, what that agenda could possibly be, when the portrayal is one sympathetic to the nazis.
Why did you single out the right-media when it comes to fabricating news? You're not even attempting to disguise your bias anymore.
Is defending free speech and highlighting the violence and insanity on both sides supportive of Nazis? I kinda feel sorry for you if you are that desperate to believe that this is true.

But the media can't change the facts,
That is exactly what they do! All the time..

Nazis held a rally, pissed people off (LET'S OMIT WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THESE TWO EVENTS) and then a nazi drove his car into a crowd, killing one.
Wouldn't expect anything less from a supporter of left-wing terrorism.
This is how we do it:
Nazis are cunts, White supremacists are cunts.
Antifa are cunts, BLM are cunts.

Wasn't so hard? Now you try.

the Attorney General is a long-time sympathizer.
umm what? Not even going to bother to ask for evidence anymore. Just call me a racist again for even suggesting it.

Why can't people here accept that simple statement? Why are you folks defending nazis? A nazi who murdered a person and wishes he killed more?
Has anyone here defended the guy who drove his car into an innocent woman, or are you just making stuff up again in your head to justify your chants of Nazi against sane people?

I cannot imagine the fury if a BLM member drove her car into a crowd of innocent white people.
Or murdered 5 white cops? They then get an invite to the White House.

But I'm broke as shit.
Stop smoking crack. It will improve your mental faculties too.
 
. . . pissed people off (LET'S OMIT WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THESE TWO EVENTS) and then a nazi drove his car . . .

Has anyone here defended the guy who drove his car into an innocent woman, or are you just making stuff up again in your head to justify your chants of Nazi against sane people?

Anybody who feels that something needs to be added to the facts to change the narrative, is defending these nazis. You are trying to lessen the impact of what happened by distracting from the core event.

THAT is the alt-right at work: normalizing the very idea that you should step in and play devil's advocate for them.

I don't believe the people posting in this thread are racists, at least the ones that don't have '88' in their handles. I don't believe you really wish for a fascist takeover to bring forth a white nation. I don't think you're really white supremists when you arglebargle about those Civil War Participation Trophies.

But most people don't get all heated when they hear shit about those things. Most people don't feel the need to get defensive. That's pretty fucking troubling when it comes to fascists, cause that's how they get to actual power.

And then comes lots and lots of violence.
Hooray! That was my dealer.

I'll see you all, even more wordy, in several hours.
 
Anybody who feels that something needs to be added to the facts to change the narrative, is defending these nazis. You are trying to lessen the impact of what happened by distracting from the core event.
ADDING to the facts? How about purposefully ignoring facts that had a direct effect onto what you are discussing?
Telling the truth about an event, when pointing out that Leftists were also breaking the law, makes one fascist?

THAT is the alt-right at work: normalizing the very idea that you should step in and play devil's advocate for them.
Nazis are cunts, White supremacists are cunts.
STOP DEFENDING FASCISM!!!!11

I don't believe the people posting in this thread are racists, at least the ones that don't have '88' in their handles. I don't believe you really wish for a fascist takeover to bring forth a white nation. I don't think you're really white supremists when you arglebargle about those Civil War Participation Trophies.
So how about you stop calling people Nazis? Derp...

But most people don't get all heated when they hear shit about those things. Most people don't feel the need to get defensive.
You are actually the one getting defensive when people mention the uncomfortable fact that Antifa are also a hateful, bigoted organization that engages in terrorism. If you're going to denounce hate and political violence, you're going to have to denounce it on ALL sides. Like what I am doing.
 
That girl gets it

Why did you single out the right-media when it comes to fabricating news? You're not even attempting to disguise your bias anymore.
Is defending free speech and highlighting the violence and insanity on both sides supportive of Nazis? I kinda feel sorry for you if you are that desperate to believe that this is true.


That is exactly what they do! All the time..


Wouldn't expect anything less from a supporter of left-wing terrorism.
This is how we do it:
Nazis are cunts, White supremacists are cunts.
Antifa are cunts, BLM are cunts.

Wasn't so hard? Now you try.


umm what? Not even going to bother to ask for evidence anymore. Just call me a racist again for even suggesting it.


Has anyone here defended the guy who drove his car into an innocent woman, or are you just making stuff up again in your head to justify your chants of Nazi against sane people?


Or murdered 5 white cops? They then get an invite to the White House.


Stop smoking crack. It will improve your mental faculties too.

I agree with all of this. Thanks for posting the video. Both the sides are cunts and protesting anything is fine but it's pointless. I am not for either side.
 
ADDING to the facts? How about purposefully ignoring facts that had a direct effect onto what you are discussing?
Telling the truth about an event, when pointing out that Leftists were also breaking the law, makes one fascist?






So how about you stop calling people Nazis? Derp...


You are actually the one getting defensive when people mention the uncomfortable fact that Antifa are also a hateful, bigoted organization that engages in terrorism. If you're going to denounce hate and political violence, you're going to have to denounce it on ALL sides. Like what I am doing.

I've noticed that people who claim to be progressive who call people who are not in complete agreement with the radical leftists, nazis, fascists, etc. do not have any real clue as to what actual fascism really is, and are actually for revising and hiding history that they do not like or agree with instead of seeing it as something to learn from and not repeat.
 
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he does share fault.

all those losers with tiki torches are trump fans, like you.
they're trump's brownshiirts.

he helped create this violent rhetoric, and emboldened all of these white supremacist fuckwits to march around on the streets bashing people.

trump, like, is apologist for these terrorists, and i don't think there is really anything to differentiate between them.
it's all the same toxic right-wing bullshit.

Ive been thinking about the right way to say this and I haven't come up with one so if this doesnt make sense Ill go back to the drawing board.


some crap off google said:
President Trump condemns "violence on many sides"

In a statement sandwiched between announcing and signing legislation to expand a veterans health care program, the president said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides."

"We have to respect each other, ideally we have to love each other," he said.


Trump is not the best public speaker. He has come off as ignorant of world events, trodden over delicate relationships with other countries, hasnt thought about what he says before saying it, he has appeared blindly lashing out at all muslims for the actions of a few.

Basically he appeals to the uneducated biased population and isnt helped by the media, his entourage of himself.


I doubt he is a fascist or a nazi himself. Hes not responsible for this. But with someone who really does come off as being a moronic bigot in the media then yeah all sorts of radical extremists will come out to play like they now have permission.

They've always existed but the vocal aspect hasn't.


Free speech is free speech. Clashes are understandable given the white supremist movement would have been a shock to some anti rally protesters.


The same sort of shit but not to that degree is happening with whats her face Hanson. She does not believe she is racist either.


Trump has gotten in the shit for not backing Israels new settlements on the West Bank either. He just hasnt said anything either way so that counts as non support so ...

Hes gotta be finding this job to be a lot harder than he would have realised.
 
I agree with all of this. Thanks for posting the video. Both the sides are cunts and protesting anything is fine but it's pointless. I am not for either side.


"Not for either side".

OK, there's the nazi who drove his car into people and killed a person. I guess I'm a biased liberal cunt for thinking that's all there is to the story.

If you had to pick "sides" here, they'd be the nazis, and then everyone else. Why people insist there's more to that, I don't know. I'm a biased liberal cunt for thinking that's weird.

When a van driven by Muslims does the same thing, none of you bother to talk about Spanish police, roads, permits, bring up Spanish political figures and that time they shook hands with a muslim. Why? Because the "sides" are the same there: the driver's, and everyone else. No one gives a flying fuck about "ALL THE STUFF IN BETWEEN!11!!'


Two identical stories, but only with the first one does everyone insist there's all this extra shit to talk about. But I'm a biased liberal cunt for thinking that's weird.
 
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