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LiquidMethod said:
^Motherfucker was still an active leader of the KKK. He was a Nazi.
Shouldn't you use him as an example to try to dissuade these modern-day Nazis, by engaging them and showing them that change is possible?
What if a young Robert Byrd Nazi leader was punched by a masked anti-fascist and that solidified his hate and he never sought redemption?
http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/
Meanwhile..

Hillary called black youth "super-predators".
She also spread a photo around of Obama in African attire.

Racist?
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Please provide sources from reputable sites.
 
Did Hillary Clinton call African-American youth 'superpredators?'


Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).
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Somerandomdude said:
Like I said, im proud to be white...
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i think america is as, if not more, divided today than it's ever been.

like a lot of people, i just struggle to understand the viewpoint of the other side. how can people respect or support trump after all the crazy things he's said, all the abuse he's given others before doing the exact same things himself, and the lies. the endless lies.

but i try to understand.

so help me try to understand something, somerandomdude?

before i start, let me make it clear that, while a lot of people who are 'proud to be white' are vile racists, i do not automatically equate your pride with racism.

to me, pride is something that is earned. something that took work, dedication, learning, etc. to achieve. your being white is something you achieved simply by being born. you didn't do anything to accomplish your whiteness - it just happened.

so how can you be proud of something over which you had no control?

thanks.

alasdair
 
The accomplishments of the white race speak for themselves.

Would you attack a black pride or a gay pride activist in the same fashion?
 
Wolfsangel 88 said:
The accomplishments of the white race speak for themselves.
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i think being proud of ones own accomplishments is great. but we're talking about simply being proud of having white skin. edison discovered a lot of cool stuff. he was white but that doesn't,make me proud to be white simply because i share his skin color. i'm proud of him and his accomplishments but i didn't really contribute.

Wolfsangel 88 said:
Would you attack a black pride or a gay pride activist in the same fashion?
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in what sense are my comments an attack?

but, yes, i view pride in being black or pride in being gay the same way i do pride in being white.

alasdair
 
LiquidMethod said:
^Motherfucker was still an active leader of the KKK. He was a Nazi.
Shouldn't you use him as an example to try to dissuade these modern-day Nazis, by engaging them and showing them that change is possible?
What if a young Robert Byrd Nazi leader was punched by a masked anti-fascist and that solidified his hate and he never sought redemption?
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Specifically, can you provide proof that Byrd remained as an active leader in the KKK contrary to his statement in the article I posted or that he was a Nazi leader?

I'm not interested in campaign items or cherry picking. Both of your examples were problematic, and I'll dissect one because... why do I always have to do this for you?

For example, from your link to politifact.com about Secretary Clinton's comments in 1996 that resurfaced twenty years later in the 2016 campaign:

What She Actually Said

"But we also have to have an organized effort against gangs," Hillary Clinton said in a C-SPAN video clip. "Just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators — no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel."

The full context of this incident does link children and superpredators, but nowhere in the speech does she directly label African-American youth this way.

[Reince] Priebus said Hillary Clinton is "the the one that labeled African-American youth as superpredators."

The term "superpredators" came from a criminologist and political scientist invited to the White House to speak about an increase in juvenile crime

The nine-year old possibly leaked from Secretary Clinton's campaign or a "bank shot" from elsewhere

So please don't include what should read "possibly from Secretary Clinton's campaign or maybe someone else nine years ago" and "twenty-year old statements cobbled together by the Republican opposition in a campaign" that are both evidence of nothing.

If you knew more about politics, you would know these aren't strong cases of whatever it is you're trying to prove.

So let's get some proof about your colorful statements about Byrd the Nazi leader or Byrd, elected member of Congress and active leader in the KKK.
 
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^ dude, getting on and off an airplane brings out the worst in people. getting behind the wheel of a car brings out the worst in people. waiting in line in the store brings out the worst in people. etc. :)

we're different and we have different opinions. respect for that shouldn't be so hard?

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
^ dude, getting on and off an airplane brings out the worst in people. getting behind the wheel of a car brings out the worst in people. waiting in line in the store brings out the worst in people. etc. :)

we're different and we have different opinions. respect for that shouldn't be so hard?
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I dont disagree.

But you're preaching to the choir here. I challenge you to find one post since 2009 where I insulted someone over their political beliefs. I'll bet you any money you wont find any, because I find swearing at people is generally counter-productive
 
alasdairm said:
i think america is as, if not more, divided today than it's ever been.

like a lot of people, i just struggle to understand the viewpoint of the other side. how can people respect or support trump after all the crazy things he's said, all the abuse he's given others before doing the exact same things himself, and the lies. the endless lies.

but i try to understand.

so help me try to understand something, somerandomdude?

before i start, let me make it clear that, while a lot of people who are 'proud to be white' are vile racists, i do not automatically equate your pride with racism.

to me, pride is something that is earned. something that took work, dedication, learning, etc. to achieve. your being white is something you achieved simply by being born. you didn't do anything to accomplish your whiteness - it just happened.

so how can you be proud of something over which you had no control?

thanks.

alasdair
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Because it's who I am. If you're not proud to be who you are then what are you exactly?

As Wolfgang said, it's highly unlikely you would question a black or Asian persons pride in their race. Or a gays pride in being gay (something they have no control over right?)
 
Somerandomdude said:
If you're not proud to be who you are then what are you exactly?
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i am in touch with who i am. i am comfortable with who i am. sometimes i admire who i am. but i am proud of things i do. things that i accomplish.

Somerandomdude said:
As Wolfgang said, it's highly unlikely you would question a black or Asian persons pride in their race. Or a gays pride in being gay (something they have no control over right?)
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absolutely dead wrong.

i wrote this just 8 posts before your post:

alasdairm said:
...i view pride in being black or pride in being gay the same way i do pride in being white.
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so i guess you just didn't see it or did and chose to ignore it :\

alasdair
 
cduggles said:
Specifically, can you provide proof that Byrd remained as an active leader in the KKK contrary to his statement in the article I posted or that he was a Nazi leader?
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Oh look who's being a racism apologist now! The hypocrisy is so mind-numbing that I'm almost unable to write this post.... "she didn't mean black people, only gang members!" "it's possible she didn't share that photo around herself!" - Anything is possible, but that photo was circulated by her camp, and you are naive if you think that the actions of her camp were not ultimately directed by her.

cduggles said:
So let's get some proof about your colorful statements about Byrd the Nazi leader or Byrd, elected member of Congress and active leader in the KKK
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umm... are you actually fucking serious. From the article you posted:

cduggles said:
Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton once heaped praise for late Klan leader Sen. Robert Byrd.
It’s also true that Robert Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s and helped establish the hate group’s chapter in Sophia, West Virginia.
Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK
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Never thought I would see someone obsessively label a Jewish person a Nazi sympathizer, and then turn around and actively apologize for an actual fucking Nazi. Perfect example of the political schizophrenia affecting some people. "But but........he apologized..........Trump has been disavowing racists for 17 years and has performed zero actions that I can reference as being racist - but he is obviously a true Nazi-KKK supporter-racist!!"

cduggles said:
I'm not interested in campaign items or cherry picking.
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I know you're not interested in things that expose Killary as a racist hypocrite - because that's what she is.
The crime legislation she helped push in the 90's destroyed black families and she has the blood of over 500,000 Arab women and children on her hands as she voted for and publicly championed the Iraq sanctions.
 
OK, in a thread where a white supremist drove his car into a crowd, killing one, during an Administration that specifically catered to that group, you bring up Hillary Clinton.

You could find out she was a closet Klan member, it doesn't change the events or their portent.
 
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