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Charlie Richardson "He only slaughtered his own"

well if you don't respect him then fuck you all. I do, and none of your bullshit is going to change that. how fucking dare you challenge OLD SCHOOL VALUES, compared to the scum who supply a lot of my end at level 1&2 now, I thought EADD was better than this, it's not the Police Forums or grasses united, or at least supposedly.
 
Making a bloke eat your shit then shagging him up the arse before nailing him to the floor is OLD SCHOOL VALUES is it?
 
The Richardson Gang were also known for torturing enemies at their scrap metal yard by attaching electrodes to their nipples and genitals and delivering electric shocks, having already placed them in baths of water to make the electricity more potent.

Those where the days...
 
TheSpade said:
Making a bloke eat your shit then shagging him up the arse before nailing him to the floor is OLD SCHOOL VALUES is it?
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If your 'old school' happens to be Eton or Harrow, perhaps.

rikerliker707 said:
I thought EADD was better than this, it's not the Police Forums or grasses united, or at least supposedly.
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Just because people take drugs doesn't necessarily mean they admire violent behaviour, or indeed see something honorable in the 'old school' criminal code.

I say that as somebody who reads books and watches documentaries about these things, so I can totally understand the fascination. I can also understand the sense of admiration for old-time gangsters - they were often (and still are in some cases) at the centre of their communities, resolving disputes in benign fashion, keeping an eye on ol' Doris, et-cetera.

Still, at the end of the day they're mostly (at least the high-profile cases) psychopaths and / or sadists.

While they're often fascinating because of this and other aspects of their respective characters, it's difficult for many people to harbour any kind of unbridled admiration for them, and it can seem a bit strange that they're afforded such disproportionate levels of respect for what usually amounted to pursuit of personal gains and nothing more.
 
SamhainGrim said:
Just because people take drugs doesn't necessarily mean they admire violent behaviour, or indeed see something honorable in the 'old school' criminal code.
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Exactly what I was about to post. I have absolutely no admiration for violent fucks, and would prefer they found something else to do with themselves than get involved in the supply of drugs, but we'll need to wait for legalisation before that happens.

I reckon most of the admiration is sublimated fear. (do I get a prize for using "sublimated"? I think I deserve one.)
 
SamhainGrim said:
I say that as somebody who reads books and watches documentaries about these things, so I can totally understand the fascination. I can also understand the sense of admiration for old-time gangsters - they were often (and still are in some cases) at the centre of their communities, resolving disputes in benign fashion, keeping an eye on ol' Doris, et-cetera.

Still, at the end of the day they're mostly (at least the high-profile cases) psychopaths and / or sadists.

While they're often fascinating because of this and other aspects of their respective characters, it's difficult for many people to harbour any kind of unbridled admiration for them, and it can seem a bit strange that they're afforded such disproportionate levels of respect for what usually amounted to pursuit of personal gains and nothing more.
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Well said.

knockando said:
do I get a prize for using "sublimated"? I think I deserve one.)
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No.
 
They did kick the shit out of screws though. Kudos for that. And I think that's where most people's 'admiration' is coming from.
 
knockando said:
I reckon most of the admiration is sublimated fear. (do I get a prize for using "sublimated"? I think I deserve one.)
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Go on, you deserve the prize. Sadly the prize is a low-res photo of my naked torso. Feel free not to claim it if you'd prefer. ;)

I think you're bang on actually. Throw in the our culture's fixation with the accumulation of 'power' and 'status' at any cost and there you have it.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
They did kick the shit out of screws though. Kudos for that. And I think that's where most people's 'admiration' is coming from.
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I don't know, perhaps ACAB, but they are people doing a job, it's the job that needs to go (or be changed). Kicking them in isn't going to create a more humane society, possibly the reverse, unless we're actually having the revolution.
 
knockando said:
I don't know, perhaps ACAB, but they are people doing a job, it's the job that needs to go (or be changed). Kicking them in isn't going to create a more humane society, possibly the reverse, unless we're actually having the revolution.
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Yeah. But I can't cry for those fuckers.
 
I don't get any gratification from knowing they kicked in 'screws', 'nonces', 'their own' or anyone else. It's all just excuses, "oh we only hurt X, Y and Z, that's all". The reality of it was they would have kicked in anyone they didn't like, who stood in their way or did something they didn't agree with it didn't fucking matter who it was. Just a bunch of thugs that happened to have some manners and dress sharp.
 
TheSpade said:
Just a bunch of thugs that happened to have some manners and dress sharp.
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Just like the people who pull the strings in every government and corporation in the developed and developing world, essentially. Only after a slightly different fashion.

As above so below. The macrocosm is reflected in the microcosm.

'Power'. 'Status'. However you can acquire it. By any means necessary.
 
Truenuff, SG.

I think it was less who they brutalised that evokes any 'admiration', Spade, but who they didn't. Unlike today's badlads, they didn't engage in underage sex or grannybashing and few innocents were caught in their crossfire. If a mate went down, they made sure his family didn't go short of money, not try it on with the prison widow. Self-serving and 'fear based', perhaps, but nonetheless a defined code dictated their behaviour. Unpleasant chaps but, unlike the Mercers and Creegans, the 'old school' had at least some mitigating features.
 
Unlike today's badlads, they didn't engage in underage sex or grannybashing and few innocents were caught in their crossfire.
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No but they made people they didn't like eat shit, raped them and nailed them to the floor so it evens things out a bit, don't you think?
 
rikerliker707 said:
The Turks and north londoners are among the few still doing things properly.
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I don't follow these things at all, true crime books bore to me bits, I have been given them as presents and never got too far in, so what is the difference bewteen the different schools? Where and when I lived in North London, the crime was run by Irish families, is this still the case, as London Irish boy from those parts should I take atavistic pride in the fact that we are still doing it the old way, I was never too fond of the Turks but.
 
You're missing the point, Spade - their victims were damaged because they broke a behavioural code, however warped, not because they just happened to be there. That's not to defend them or extol their rather suspect 'values' but to note there were then boundaries, outside which even the worst thug dared not step, and which no longer seem to exist.
 
I'm not missing the point, I don't care how you justify it they were horrible cunts. End of.
 
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