Charlie Richardson "He only slaughtered his own"

[Mailmonkey]

I remember John McVicar saying about Mad Frankie that if he caught a grass in prison he'd take a shit on a plate and make him eat it saying "You're a no-good fucking grass but we feed you don't we?" and put plenty of ketchup on it. Then he'd fuck him up the arse.

Who'd wanna fuck someone who's just eaten a bowlful of your own turd. You'd have to be, er, mad.

 

[Ismene]

He was certified seven times I believe.

I wonder if ketchup would improve the taste any?

 

[charlie clean]

In those days before soft nicks and colour tvs, the chaps had to make their own entertainment, ok? Say what you will about Frankie Fraser, he was one solid con. Had years added to his sentence, lost all remission and spent years on the ghost train but would still hurl himself at any screw taking liberties. A man of his times.

 

[Mailmonkey]

In those days before soft nicks and colour tvs, the chaps had to make their own entertainment, ok? Say what you will about Frankie Fraser, he was one solid con. Had years added to his sentence, lost all remission and spent years on the ghost train but would still hurl himself at any screw taking liberties. A man of his times.

they don't make 'em like that any more eh charlie?

Mad Frankie that if he caught a grass in prison he'd take a shit on a plate and make him eat it saying "You're a no-good fucking grass but we feed you don't we?" and put plenty of ketchup on it. Then he'd fuck him up the arse.

always very fond of his old ma he was, heart of gold.

 

[TheSpade]

In those days before soft nicks and colour tvs, the chaps had to make their own entertainment, ok? Say what you will about Frankie Fraser, he was one solid con. Had years added to his sentence, lost all remission and spent years on the ghost train but would still hurl himself at any screw taking liberties. A man of his times.

You're talking like you knew him well, pal of yours was he?

 

[charlie clean]

The briefest of acquaintances, Spade. Was alone with him for about 10minutes in the reception area of Bedford nick, me returning from faraway court, he waiting to continue his tour of provincial prison blocks. Very small, polite, intelligent and manifestly dangerous. Extremely con wise - a nonce in disguise who arrived at the same time was kept in the sweatbox by screws reluctant to expose him to Fraser's radar. Our friendly, vaguely philosophical chat ended abruptly when I was called through and my last glimpse was of a little fellow sitting quietly alone on the bench in, I think, his 17th straight year of imprisonment.

 

[Ismene]

Charlie said that the screws would take Frank his food and urinate in it before giving it to him, Frank would attack them, and then half a dozen screws would beat him to a pulp. He said he did that every day for 6 months - "Frank was like a rock".

Mad as a lorry tho.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Strange how this thread morphed from Charlie Richardson to Frankie Fraser. Then again, maybe not strange at all.

Never met either of them but I did buy flowers from Great Train Robber Buster Edwards once. He spoke in a camp high voice and was the most unlikely big time criminal.

 

[Ismene]

I think Charlie gave Frank a living for the one or two years he was out of nick in the 60s tho.

Buster said it was him who coshed the driver but I think it was either Gordon Goody or Jim Wisbey

Morphing into the great train robbery now..

 

[charlie clean]

Yeah, let's repeal the drug laws and allow the criminal classes to return to their traditional activities. The train robbers and their ilk seem positively wholesome in comparison to their 21st century counterparts.

 

[gannetsarewe]

Strange how this thread morphed from Charlie Richardson to Frankie Fraser. Then again, maybe not strange at all.

Never met either of them but I did buy flowers from Great Train Robber Buster Edwards once. He spoke in a camp high voice and was the most unlikely big time criminal.

I used to drink in a little pub between Walworth road and the North Peckham Estate, The Duke of Wellington I think it was called. I was only a kid and didn't cop on that it was a chaps pub until some one told me and even then I didn't know what he meant by chap. I ended up on nodding terms with Buster, he lived a couple of doors down in a yellow brick terraced house, a quiet and friendly guy, drove a Merc I was sorry when I heard he had died.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Haha, only just read that Mail article.

Eddie Richardson last night confirmed his brother died yesterday morning in Pembury Hospital, Kent
He said: ‘I haven’t spoken to him in years so I am not the best person to speak to about his death.

I can’t say he was a good father, but he was a father.

 

[Ismene]

Best book about the train robbery is the one where they all pretended that Otto Skorzeny was the money behind it. Great story but of course it was all horseshit.

Autobiog of a theif by Bruce Reynolds wasn't bad although I preferred the original autobiog of a theif from some guy in the 30s who used to break into houses with safes and whisper in the sleeping owners ear "Wheres the key".

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Best book about the train robbery is the one where they all pretended that Otto Skorzeny was the money behind it. Great story but of course it was all horseshit.

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Been 30 years since I read that (Piers Paul Read) - bought it with my paper round money. Loved it. And although the Otto stuff was horseshit I lapped up all the details at the time. IIRC (and I might not) wasn't it in that book that it was revealed Biggs was Chief Idiot in getting them caught? The fingerprints on the monopoly board etc? I certainly remember Edwards dissing Biggs enough in the book for me to know Biggs was a prick by the time he 'joined' the Sex Pistols.

 

[rikerliker707]

Another cornerstone of the old school gone. His funeral should be as big as PG man, Tacker or Easterbrook. Shame I can't attend... was on XO straight up the Mafia way as soon as I heard he passed though out of respect for the guy.

Charlie- like what you said about the scum who rule now, we've had this discussion over on the alliance. To everyone who thinks "reppin yo' set" (for the uninitiated in the "new school" speak, associating only with people from a small gang or geographical area and making enemies of everyone else) is "the shit", or killing women is OK, or noncing (I just mentioned PG man, his successor to the Nottingham black supremo status Dave Francis is a man I don't like because there is well substantiated talk of him with underage girls, including a criminal conviction for same: Unlawful Sexual Intercourse, in the eighties.) I say this:

Schedule 2's up schedule 1's down intersectionality up inter-sectional shit down

The Turks and north londoners are among the few still doing things properly.

 

[TheSpade]

I do wonder about some of you, supposedly grown men, idolising a bunch of guys who beat up, murdered, made folk eat their own shit and even raped (even if it was raping 'nonces'). I mean the books are interesting to read but these folk were brutal whatever way you look at it.

Seeing as you're all talking about how you knew / met these people. I drank in the bar that was Ronnie Biggs (former) local in Rio De Janeiro whilst he lived out there in exile, he'd obviously been sent back to the UK long before I visited but the bar still has photos of him up. Apparently it was such common knowledge where he drank that tourists would go visit and pay him for photos and stories. He lived in Santa Teresa, which is a cool 'bohemian' area and IMO the best neighbourhood in Rio. Tons of cool bars, cocktail stands on every street corners, musicians practising everywhere, loads of street art, the last place the bonde (street car / tram) runs (though it derailed killing 15 last year and is out of action) and surrounded by 6 favellas meaning you can get brap brap'ed at any time from people with machine guns but it adds to the excitement. He would have been living the good life.

I fucking Rio!

 

[Mailmonkey]

I do wonder about some of you, supposedly grown men, idolising a bunch of guys who beat up, murdered, made folk eat their own shit and even raped (even if it was raping 'nonces'). I mean the books are interesting to read but these folk were brutal whatever way you look at it.

I concur with Spade it's ludicrous.

"Doing things properly" "old school values" Fucking horrible nasty bunch of crims.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I'd argue there's a world of difference between the train robbers and Charlie Richardson and Frankie Fraser. I've always been interested in the train robbers because a) it happened close to where I was born and b) I admired the guts and planning involved to carry it out. Its also an interesting story.

And having gone over it and checked the details I'm reminded of what a twat Biggs was. He whined his way into the gang and fucked up the only job he was given, which was to find someone who could drive a locomotive. Stupid fanny brought along a steam train driver who couldn't drive diesels.

 

[parttime crackhead]

I concur with Spade it's ludicrous.

"Doing things properly" "old school values" Fucking horrible nasty bunch of crims.

Agreed.

Horrible cunts that made some good books & films possible. Just because they're not as horrible as some of the cunts running about today doesn't mean that they weren't fucking awful human beings.

To hear/see people, who have never even came close to meeting any of these cunts, act like they're upset about their death is sad. Embarrassing even.


I agree with SHM re the Train Robbery stuff though. That's proper interesting. Having the balls to plan & pull off stunts like that back in the day is impressive. Making someone eat a jobby because you're "arder" then they are is not.

 

[charlie clean]

More because the victim was a 'grass' than to show hardness.

Of course they were dreadful people - that should go without saying. We live in a celebrity culture, tho', and they've as much right to be there as Cheryl Cole or Simon Cowell.